Vaccinations Not Immune From Critics

Despite Societal Benefits, Vaccines Are Stirring Concern About Alleged Side Effects

(CBS)  Eleanor and Mark Tremblay have trouble looking at their son, Oliver, who is 8 years old and severely autistic, without saying to themselves, "if only...."

As they play the videos showing how Ollie was before, they think, if only they could just rewind their lives; if only they could skip that shot: the measles, mumps and rubella vaccinations they believe caused their son's autism, although there is no conclusive evidence.

Dr. James Dale, a professor of medicine at the University of Tennessee's health science center in Memphis, has spent more than 30 years working to perfect a vaccine to prevent streptococcus, the infection that causes strep throat and, in its more virulent forms, so-called flesh-eating disease and rheumatic fever.

"There is risk with vaccines, but the benefits far, far outweigh the risks," Dr. Dale told Sunday Morning correspondent Martha Teichner. "If we can reduce the incidence of acute rheumatic fever and rheumatic heart disease by half in the world, that's where the real personal payoff would come."

On one side you have Dr. Dale, determined to save millions of children - and on the other, the Tremblays, heartbroken over the fate of one boy. Between them you have the story of vaccines: The greater good versus the risk, no matter how small, to the individual.

It's a debate that began in this country nearly three hundred years ago over smallpox.

"It was a disease that would sweep through cities and infect, you know, tens of thousands of people at a time, and it would kill 20, 30, 50 percent of them," said journalist Arthur Allen, the author of "Vaccine, the Controversial Story of Medicine's Greatest Lifesaver."

"The first form of smallpox vaccine came from China and India where it was used for centuries and it entered the U.S. in 1721. Cotton Mather actually brought it to the United States."

Mather was a hellfire and brimstone Puritan preacher from Boston. His house was firebombed when he urged Bostonians to try scratching live smallpox infection into their skin.

In 1796, British country doctor Edward Jenner confirmed that milkmaids, exposed to a much milder cowpox virus, were immune to smallpox. Millions of people finally dared to be vaccinated with Jenner's cowpox serum. The term vaccinate comes from the Latin word for cow, vacca.

"Confidence in vaccines and mistrust in vaccines goes in waves," Allen said. "And also, another element is really the seriousness of the disease. I mean, when the polio vaccine came out in 1955, it came into a country that was petrified of polio."

The conquest of polio became a national crusade.

"Millions of Americans participated in the March of Dimes," Allen said. "They literally sent their dimes to the White House."

In 1955, the announcement was made that Jonas Salk's polio vaccine worked. The fact that 200 people were paralyzed after getting the shot and ten died, was overlooked.

"Jonas Salk, you know, was a god," Allen said. "Church bells were ringing around the country. People were embracing in the street. It was a moment of unmitigated jubilation around the country."

Now they're protesting. Last month, there was a rally in Washington against the new human papilloma virus vaccine to prevent cervical cancer.

[forkaleb]

As a parent of a casualty to the vaccines, I have researched and researched how this could have happened. While we do not have rock solid studies, neither do the opposing side that say vaccines do not cause Autism. My son was perfectly developing until a DT vaccine at 16 months of age that contained Thimerosal (Mercury preservative). Within two weeks of that shot my son stopped talking and within 2 months he fit the criteria for Autism. We have since been treating him through a Defeat Autism Now doctor who can accept that vaccines are not without risk. As for the benefits outweighing the risks, I cannot say that the minute risk of my child developing Diptheria or Tetnus, or even Measles Mumps or Rubella outweighed the risk of a vaccine injury (AKA Autism). Vaccines that contain neurotoxins in addition to allergens and other harmful substances are not safe. What about boosting immune systems with natural enhancers like Vitamin C before injecting babies with toxic material. 1 in 150 children are being diagnosed with Autism. The medical community must accept that a huge mistake has been made, swallow thier pride and make it right. The truth will eventually come out. It is up to each and every medical professional to decide if they want to continue to inject babies with Autism causing vaccines or if they choose to make a change and start addressing the real cause of Autism and give these children a chance at a normal healthy happy life.

[mithirilflam]

I am a bit disappointed in this story. I count myself as one of the parents that question the benefit of some of the vaccinations but ONLY those that use the MERCURY wash.
The story depicts the debate as Pro or Con vaccination but that isn't the real issue. The issue at hand is why did the drug companies change the vaccination process to include this Mercury and ever since this change was implemented in MANDATORY vaccinations to our children why has there been a SIGNIFICANT rise in Autistic and Delay Disordered children?

It seems to me that the story that needs to be shown isn't pro or con vaccinations but pro or con Mercury within vaccinations. Let the drug companies tell me why it's important to include such a harmful material in the process of making these vaccinations. Let them explain to me why the REWARD of introducing mercury in the process out weighs the growing RISK. What was broken about the old process that required this change?
I would really like to know and so would my son who is one of those every 6 children that suffer from Delay Disorder or any of his classmates that suffer from the same or greater challenges.

[piratecafe]

I was surprised the article didn't argue the pros and cons of Thimerosal. It seems to me MORE not less, needs to be studied.

Thanks Joe Barton for not keeping the environmental studies money in the Act. You butt head.

[gottagit]

What a lie!!!!!!
Vaccines has been PROVEN to NOT cause autism!!!! Quit perpetuating this lie.....this is no more than another lawyer get roch quick scheme...just look atthe silicone implant litigation....nothing but lies perpetuated by lawyers looking to make money

[gottagit]

The truth is autism is a genetic defect and parents cannot accept that they themselves are the cause of their child's autism...so much easier to blame everyone else...when you decide to create a child your defective genes are to blame and no one else.

[cjh428]

After my son contracted lesions on his brain and spine in Oct. 2005 which caused him to be completely paralyzed, I will NEVER vaccinate my children again. He also had two silver fillings removed from his teeth - amalgams are loaded with Mercury. Thankfully, my son is now walking again and fully recovered, but it took over a year, and hundreds of thousands of dollars in medical expense. We will never know what caused the lesions, but vaccinations and mercury could have been to blame. I also cook with organic foods now, and stay away from processed foods. After our medical nightmare, we have learned that the medical community does not know everything.

[pacone1]

My grandson is autistic. They discovered this when he was around 2 yrs. old. How can you say to a family that has an autsitic child, he has been sacrificed for others. This is a tragedy, what and who will take care of these children after the parents and families have left this earth. Overload on the mental establishments. The scope of this problem is unbelievable and devastating.
It is so hard to look at a child and know you are helpless to help. Why don't the drug companies try to figure away to erase the mercury in their products.
The pain and frustation that is endured upon by the families is unbearable. These are usually very bright children. Trying to stay on top of everything that concerns the child, (special ed, etc)

[mithirilflam]

Actually I just reviewed the FDA website concerning Thimerosal and I must contest the previous statement made by "gottagit". The FDA study does not prove that there is no connection in the rise in autism due to the trace mercury. The FDA findings in their reveiw stated that the amount of mercury did not excede the recommended maximum. Does that mean that the FDA has the final and definitive statement on what amount of mercury is due much to administer to infants? Does that mean that the FDA is infaliable?
More harm can be generating by blindly accepting the findings of one organizations study than can be found in supporting some independant and more indepth studies that could in fact reinforce the original findings or determine that perhaps no level of mercury is acceptable to introduce to infants.

[lewisar3]

We are disappointed that CBS implicitly legitimized the claims that vaccines are associated with autism. Although there are some known, proven risks to vaccines, autism is not among these risks. Several recent studies have shown that children who receive vaccines are at no higher risk for developing autism than those that do not.

It is understandable that parents whose children develop a debilitating disease such as autism would look aggressively and passionately for a cause. They have vilified vaccines simply because some children coincidentally develop the first symptoms of autism soon after a vaccine. The vaccine/autism debate is a distraction from finding real causes and treatments for autism.

For more information about studies concerning autism and immunizations, the Center for Disease Control has an excellent website: http://www.cdc.gov/nip/vacsafe/concerns/autism/autism-research.htm#study.

[mithirilflam]

I reviewed the website provided by lewisar3 and it is incorrect. If you use this link it is no longer a valid webpage. The correct link is as follows: http://www.cdc.gov/od/science/iso/research_activties/vsd_studies.htm#tns
This link from the CDC actually states a study is in process (not completed with no findings listed as yet) for both the link to Autism and Neurological disorders connected with vaccines containing Thermosil.
Why attach a news agency for bringing an issue to the public's knowledge so it could be open for debate? Knowledge is power. Personally I felt the article was skewed to belittle the stance of the parents that are against vaccines because I didn't feel it mentioned the Mercury debate and it appeared as if the parents were stating that vaccines shouldn't be issued. That isn't the case. Vaccines are GOOD and beneficial to society. I question the benefits of Mercury/Thermosil; especially since drug companies have since distributed vaccines that do not include the Thermosil. If Autism is strictly genetic why is it that there was a significant rise in autistic children in China after vaccinations with trace mercury were introduced in that country. A country that previously had little or no autistic children? Even if the vaccine isn't to blame could it be that something other than genetics produces autism; exactly how can we be sure what the cause is especially with such a significant rise in cases?

[danb234669]

Read this before you continue

http://www.health-reports.com/RobertKennedyJrarticle.html

I have a nephew and a cousin who developed just after their MMR shots. So I do believe that their might be a genetic component. However, I also believe that the shots play a part. Some things to look at are the homeland security act for proof that there is some type of cover up going on. Also check the article I posted at the start for more.
Wow, it is amazing that in my lifetime I have seen an incredible number of governmental scandals involving covering up facts. Yet there are still people out there who go out of there way to blindly believe anything that they say, with out systematically checking other sources. Don't get me wrong, there are many good scientist working in the government doing good work. But remember, there are politicians at the top of every governmental organization is headed by a political appointee and as we see today, those appointees do not always do what is best for the people, but often do what is best for the corporations they are beholden to. THis is a on going theme for our government with its' money based system. The CDC is not a no-partial bureaucracy. They have been working with the pharmaceutical industry. read a little before you set your fingers typing on such a tragedy.

go here for more information. They have scientific studies that support this.

http://www.autismwebsite.com/ARI/dan/dan.htm

[lewisar3]

The website that I previously listed is an active, accurate and thorough summary of all research dedicated to investigating the autism/vaccine link. You will have to paste it in two lines due to the limited width of this page. Again, it is:

http://www.cdc.gov/nip/vacsafe/concerns/autism/autism-research.htm#study

Mithirilflam's suggested website only lists ongoing studies, ignoring the mass of evidence that has accrued disproving a link between vaccines and autism. I fear that the entry is intended to mislead readers.

[nothappyatall]

"Even though Mark and Eleanor Tremblay blame vaccines for their son, Ollie's autism, they said they are not against vaccines. They just wish they'd known what to ask about the risk. "

Well even if they were given a percentile number for "risk" of death, illness say 1 in 10,000 what good would that information do? Does knowing your risk for being struck by lightning or death in a traffic accident stop you from going out or driving?
They, like everyone else would hear that figure 1 in 10,000 and think nothing can happen to THEM, it's always the other guy and they would have gotten the vaccination anyway- you KNOW they would have.
Percentages are meaningless unless you happen to be the 1 in 10,000 and you take a chance like everyone else does no matter what you do- get the vaccination or not.
I suspect there's a lot more to this than JUST vaccines because these vaccines have been around for ages and it's only in recent years that people are getting all these wierd things like MS fibromayalgia, cancers and immune system collapses. I'd try looking at the water, food and air FIRST, I'd try looking at all the krap people apply daily to their bodies- everything from chemicals in the form of antiperspirants, deodorizers, synthetic clothes, antibacterial soaps, hand cleaners, hair dyes, makeup. The exposure to formaldehyde gas from new carpeting, upholstered furniture and pressedwood products, and then the pills, medications etc etc.

[nothappyatall]

Dont forget the lawn chemicals, housepaints that were preserved with mercury and antifungal chemicals, plastics that give off chemical fumes especially in your CAR.

[nothappyatall]

You get these kids growing up in houses that are kept sterile like hospitals, I mean it no joke I've seen them and I work with 2 people who are so sensitive to odors, products, air freshners, laundry soap perfumes, any dusts, pets, paints, molds etc that they call in sick very often and go to the doctor for shots for allergies and whatever else they get.

A third has a daughter who is the same way- the daughter works in a computer chip firm and wears a bunny suit all day

They all were living in these super-clean homes as kids, my theory is these kids were kept in these sterile homes during the critical period when their immune systems were developing, but everything was kept hospital clean so their immune systems were never challenged, then as adults when they were exposed to more things their immune systems couldn't cope with any of it and was overwhelmed, the result is illness, sickness, trouble breathing, coughing, runny eyes, redness of the skin and lethargy.

Kids growing up in the 30's and 40's etc were exposed to a LOT, they didnt HAVE antibacterial handsoaps nor mommies who all but flame sterilized everything from the floors and toilet to hands.

[nothappyatall]

" I will NEVER vaccinate my children again. He also had two silver fillings removed from his teeth - amalgams are loaded with Mercury.
We will never know what caused the lesions, but vaccinations and mercury could have been to blame.
Posted by cjh428 "

First, everyone has silver fillings and no problems, your son is the problem- HIS immune system, genetics and body is the one at fault and overly sensitive, it's not the fault of the fillings or vaccines which EVERYONE has with no problems other than the small percentage who do- allergies are an example- I have NO allergies of any kind, ragweed, pollin, pets etc doesn't bother me, but some people wind up in the hospital, is that the fault of ragweed, pollin, pets, or the deficiency of the person's immune system which is screwed up?

You will probably find later as he grows up he will be sensitive to many things in the environment.

[nothappyatall]

One other thing, Thimerisal is not mercury it is a compound, mercury is that liquid silvery substance found in older thermometers and other places.
Silver form of mercury is toxic, it can be absored thru the skin and fumes inhaled, but remember, mercury comes out of the earth, it wasn't invented by man.

You might be surprised tonote other uses for thimerisal and what goes into drugs using salicylate;

Thimerisal: A cream-colored crystalline powder, used as a local antiseptic for abrasions and minor cuts.

[THI(O)%u2013 + MER(CURY) %u2013O%u2013 SAL(ICYLATE).]
The noun thimerosal has one meaning:

Meaning #1: a light-colored crystalline powder (trade name Merthiolate) used as a surgical antiseptic
Synonyms: sodium ethylmercurithiosalicylate, Merthiolate

[searcherr]

It' NOT the vaccinations per se. IT'S THE PRESERVATIVES IN THE VACCINATIONS CHILDREN ARE HAVING ALLERGIC REACTIONS TO RESULTING IN AUTISM IN SOME CASES. Formaldehyde is one of the preservatives used in vaccination serums. Formaldehyde is highly carcinogenic. These preservatives are used because they are CHEAP, not because they are the safest. When you are making millions of doses, money is all these big vaccination manufacturers care about. Theoretically, some individual vaccination doses could even be getting more of these preservatives than other doses for whatever reasons - coming to the end of the line or starting up a new line of vaccinations during refilling. Perhaps, if this little boy had not been given three vaccinations at once, the level of preservatives would not have reached a dangerous level in his little body. Perhaps, if vaccinations were made fresh instead of loaded with preservatives, these reactions would never happen. But it's all about money. Serums that go bad have to be thrown out and result in a loss of money for the manufacturers. It's all tragic, really, that money is all these companies care about, not safety first. Or they wouldn't make up serums that last a year because they are so well preserved.

[bobgee_1999]

There's something inherently humorous about people terrified of one specific thing: vaccines, cigarette smoke, cholesterol, whatever the boogieman of the hour might be, when we all walk around in a massive cloud of carbon monoxide everyday emitted from automobile tailpipes. Might as well die from something. And now they've discovered that saliva causes stomach cancer if swallowed in small amounts over a long period of time.

[tucano2]

It is all very well for some in an ivory tower living on a grant from drug pharma to blather on and on BUT real Americans have to deal with Merck vaccine that deafens children - how does that intellectual advise explaining to a 7 year-old why he is suddenly totally and irreversibly deaf as a result of State required Merck-pushed MMR vaccine damage? How does one communicate practically within several weeks from regular voice to absolutely nothing?

[timkasemodel]

That newster1, what a comedian; thimerosal is safe because it%u2019s a "compound?, that cracks me up! So if I mix a little additive to cyanide, we can inject it into babies too? The MSDS states clearly "Thimerosal contains 49.6%w/w organically-bound mercury" and has mutagenic, has multiple toxic effects and states pregnant women should not be exposed it AT ALL.

FDA analogy that current mercury containing vaccines are safe for infants is that the "total possible exposure is 28 micrograms by months of age, well under the total of 65 micrograms during the first 6 months of life". DO YOU GET IT? That%u2019s saying giving 45 full daily doses of Tylenol at one time at 6 months and another 45 doses at one time at 7 months of age is %u201CSAFE%u201D because the baby %u201Ccould%u201D have received 180 doses now that he is 180 days old!! New research showing mercury is toxic at levels 90% lower than previously thought safe shold raise even more questions. The FDA also says .3 mcg (600 ppb, where 200 ppb is hazardous waste) of mercury is the same as "mercury free". Just like magic, it is gone? The FDA declares that %u201Cjust a trace%u201D of mercury in vaccines is safe because %u201Cto be safe means that the benefits outweigh the risks%u201D. The fact is, mercury IS TOXIC and there ARE RISKS. With 100% mercury free vaccines available, why can't we avoid that risk?

Tim Kasemodel
Wayzata, MN

[mtredhawk200]

I have 12 horses, 2 dogs and a cat. All have been vaccinated multiple times. If vaccines cause autism wouldn't it show up in the animals? Animal vaccines carry much larger doses of preservatives, and a Pug puppy gets one mega-dose for it's body size, with no neurological symptoms. I'm afraid that vaccines may be a red herring, and we're missing the real cause. What about that chemical spill a month or so ago? A rail car tipped over and there was a major evacuation, but the chemical (can't remember the name of it) is used as a FRUIT FLAVORING IN CHILDREN'S CEREALS!!! How good can that be? I have 2 friends that have had polio, and both have life long handicaps because of it. I chose to vaccinate my kids. Life consists of playing the odds. The diseases that we vaccinate against are DEADLY.

[gaye5]

ForKaleb you say....What about boosting immune systems with natural enhancers like Vitamin C before injecting babies with toxic material...1 in 150 children are being diagnosed with Autism..

(CBS/AP) About 300,000 U.S. children have now been diagnosed with autism, according to the largest national study so far of the prevalence of this complex behavioral disorder. It is something that my husband who is a School Principal has never seen up until the last few years..
I dont think that vitamin C can help stop the ravages of things like Ethylene glycol (antifreeze)
* Phenol also known as carbolic acid (this is used as a disinfectant, dye)
* Formaldehyde a known cancer causing agent
* Aluminum which is associated with Alzheimer disease and seizures also cancer producing in laboratory mice
- -( it is used as an additive to promote antibody response)
* Thimerosal (used as a mercury disinfectant/preservative) can result in brain injury and autoimmune disease
* Neomycin, Streptomycin (used as antibiotic) have caused allergic reactions in some people, and more...many Dr's dont get their own children imminised but they are struck off the list if they say anything...and many Dr's and proffesors have picked up the courage to talk against imminisation but the media wont print it.. I wonder why???

[millie99516]

Now, let's see... We have 2 kids in our extended family (one on my side and one on husband's side) that became severely Autistic within days after their Vaccination. Both were healthy up to the day of vaccination. Both are boys.

Hmmm... should I be weighing out Pro's and Con's of having my child vaccinated? Should I be bullied by the doctors ? Should I play Russian Roulettte with my childs life?

I think not!

I don't need science, literature, statistics, an article, medical journal, the government, a doctor or anyone else to tell me what I can see with my own two eyes !

As a medical professional myself, I think EVERY parent should spend a day with an Autistic child (God know's they are not hard to find these days) BEFORE they consider a vaccination for their own child.

[daddyandmomm]

I agree there are too many vaccines for babies/children. For example, why does a newborn get a hep B vaccine at birth when the mother & father have been tested negative. Does that make sense??? When I asked the doctor why, the answer was "well, in case the test was wrong." Sounds like a money maker to me!! It is very unfortunate that members of the FDA have stock in vaccines and medicines. Our children including ourselves are paying the ultimate price with our lives. For my 2+ children, I am going by the vaccines that were given in 1973. Find someone that was born in the 70's and look at what was given back then. Amazingly, not many babies/children had autism, etc. Some of the new vaccines we consider giving after the age of 2 or 3. And if your child passes a certain age, amazingly they only need one dose not 3 or 4. Why is that??? There is a protective membrane that is formed around the brain and is not complete until the age of 2. That is why many of these vaccines should not even be considered until after that age if any. Not only that but having all of these vaccines cause viruses, etc. to only get stronger and more immune because everyone has been injected with vaccines and antibiotics. My children are 3 1/2 years and 1 year and I have never allowed them to take an antibiotic. Garlic is an immune builder and kills bacteria.

[gaye5]

for-caleb You missed out that one in 8 in some places have ADD or a form of, childrens wards are full of children who are now dying of cancers and other horrible things which we didnt see or hear much of 50 years ago...Why do they mass immunise children for a disease (hepatitis B)which is mainly an adult disease and which is only transmitted through risky behaviour like drug injecting or homosexuality??? What about cot deaths, Asthma, etc.
Havent the Japanese raised the age of imminisations to two years and the cot death rate has taken a dive... but WE cant do that as many mothers wouldnt bother once their children reached two..

My daughters poodle was dead within 8 hrs of being vaccinated, we found it on the back lawn and it was so sick that she couldnt even crawl back to the house, and I am being told that they are now thinking in Melborne Australia that many of the kittens are getting cat flu after their imminisations...we just had to put a little Devon kitten down because of cat flu, but dont know if it got the flu because of the vaccine or not..

[gaye5]

gottagit you said....The truth is autism is a genetic defect and parents cannot accept that they themselves are the cause of their child's autism...so much easier to blame everyone else...when you decide to create a child your defective genes are to blame and no one else.

gottagit, after 45 years of teaching and Principal in two countries and many schools, we had only come across one child with autism, he used to draw dead flies all day, or dead chickens...
You cannot say that they truth is...genetic, I know that they say that Autism runs in families, Twins are very likely to share autistic traits. which is one of the things which is causing them to think it is genetic, while these facts suggest that autism is genetic, twins are also just as likely to be allergic to the poisons in immunisation..
Since the 1990s, there's been a dramatic increase in autism (search) among school-age children, which could be contributed to the fact that they now diagnose it better and that once children would be counted as mentally retarded, however there were not that many children in mental institutes either.

[millie99516]

The ONLY Vaccination that is 100% safe for a child is the one NOT given.

As for Antibiotics, you are getting them in just about everything you eat, which contributes to the Antibiotic saturation thus causing deadly infections from "Superbugs" like MRSA.

[millie99516]

The ONLY Vaccination that is 100% safe for a child is the one NOT given.

As for Antibiotics, you are getting them in just about everything you eat, which contributes to the Antibiotic saturation thus causing deadly infections from "Superbugs" like MRSA.

[millie99516]

The ONLY Vaccination that is 100% safe for a child is the one NOT given.

As for Antibiotics, you are getting them in just about everything you eat, which contributes to the Antibiotic saturation thus causing deadly infections from "Superbugs" like MRSA.

[millie99516]

The ONLY Vaccination that is 100% safe for a child is the one NOT given.

As for Antibiotics, you are getting them in just about everything you eat, which contributes to the Antibiotic saturation thus causing deadly infections from "Superbugs" like MRSA.

[millie99516]

The ONLY Vaccination that is 100% safe for a child is the one NOT given.

As for Antibiotics, you are getting them in just about everything you eat, which contributes to the Antibiotic saturation thus causing deadly infections from "Superbugs" like MRSA.

[gaye5]

lewisar3, there is also no proof of many things all we have to do is talk to parents who KNOW... They know that within only a short time after the immunisations that their babies wouldn't stop screaming and their temperatures went high, and the light went out of their Childs eyes, that they stopped talking, that they stopped playing, that they stopped laughing, so what do you say to these parents, and they all say that it was only within hrs to days after the immunisation.. Just a coincidence...
Of coure the athouraties say it is not connected, they have toooooo many billions to loose... try looking up vaccine deceptions or the dangers of vaccines or what Drs say about immunisation, I will give you a few statements...
Doctors Condemn Vaccination
"The greatest threat of childhood disease lies in the dangerous and ineffectual efforts made to prevent them through mass immunisation". - Dr. R. Mendelsohn Author and Paediatrician

"Official data have shown that the large-scale vaccinations undertaken in the US have failed to obtain any significant improvement of the diseases against which they were supposed to provide protection". -- Dr. A. Sabin - Developer of Polio Vaccine

"There is a great deal of evidence to prove that immunisation of children does more harm than good".- Dr. Anthony Morris Research Scientist

[gaye5]

"In our opinion, there is now sufficient evidence of immune malfunction following current vaccination programs to anticipate growing public demands for research investigation into alternative methods of prevention of infectious disease". - Dr's. H. Buttram and J. Hoffman Vaccinations and Immune Malfunctions

In addition to the many obvious cases of mortality from these practices, there are also long-term hazards which are almost impossible to estimate accurately ..... the inherent danger of all vaccine procedures should be a deterrent to their unnecessary or unjustifiable use".- Sir Graham Wilson The Hazards of Immunisation

"Every vaccine carries certain hazards and can produce inward reactions in some people ..... in general, there are more vaccine complications than is generally appreciated".- Professor George *** London University

"Laying aside the very real possibility that the various vaccines are contaminated with animal viruses and may cause serious illness later in life (multiple sclerosis, cancer, leukaemia, kreutzfeld-jacob disease, etc.) we must consider whether the vaccines really work for the intended purpose".Dr. William Campbell Douglas Cutting Edge, May 1990..
"All vaccination has the effect of directing the three values of the blood into or toward the zone characteristics of cancer and leukaemia ..... Vaccines DO predispose to cancer and leukaemia". - Professor L.C. Vincent Founder of Bioelectronics

[gaye5]

"Many here voice a silent view that the Salk and Sabin polio vaccine, being made of monkey kidney tissue has been directly responsible for the major increase in leukaemia in this country".- Dr. Frederick Klenner Polio Researcher

[tucson23]

Fine, watch your children die horribly from preventable diseases instead of taking a 1 in a million chance of a bad reaction. It's a form of natural selection--we need those who prefer superstition to science to produce as few living children as possible.

[gaye5]

tucson23 I think that perhaps you might find it worth while to read things on the dangers of immunisation, and see for yourself that far more children are dying or being hurt from immunisation than from the mild child diseases like Mumps, Chicken pox and Measles...and that there is a posibility that we might be being brainwashed.

All throughout history we have had epidemics come and go, and we will have more, but dont you find it strange that when the polio vaccine came out that polio cases was on the way down and in the countries where they vaccinated it went up again and the countries where there was no vaccines it continued to go down...

We never saw so many sick and dying children when my husband first started teaching, and I was a nurse 40 odd year ago.. our children's ward was small, and the children there were mainly in to have their tonsils out or other mild things...now the hospitals are full of sick kids, and there is even a very large special ward for children with cancer...I am not saying that immunisation is the only cause but isn't it pharmaceutical companies who also put out the chemicals in our food etc...

[susanhelit]

Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it. My grandmother remembers polio, the fear, the crippling effects, children locked away, children dead. Smallpox, the measles - so many dead - that today live. If we forget the past, people become consumed with fears and worry over small possible reactions instead of the horrible deadly diseases they no longer remember.

Autism happens to non-vaccinated children too - in the exact same percentages. That light goes out of their eyes, they change - just as a vaccinated child does. Vaccines do happen to happen at the same time as autism begins to strike - but coincidences happen.

[gaye5]

or I should say that it is the pharmecutical companies who make the chemicals which are then put into our food..

1953 "MILD--Mumps, Chickenpox and rubella...are mild. In other words there's not much point in trying to avoid them. They don't do much to young children and they do build up their general immunity and resistance."--T Anderson MD, British Medical Journal booklet (c 1953)
"Something curious has happened to the "official" perception of the childhood diseases which are the subject of the MMR or MR vaccines (Measles, Mumps, Rubella). They have all officially become more serious since vaccines were introduced."---Richard Barr & Kirsten Limb

Vaccine Ingredients, Vaccine Ingredients

These are just some of the ingredients used to make a vaccine.

* Ethylene glycol (antifreeze)
* Phenol also known as carbolic acid (this is used as a disinfectant, dye)
* Formaldehyde a known cancer causing agent
* Aluminum which is associated with Alzheimer disease and seizures also cancer producing in laboratory mice
- -( it is used as an additive to promote antibody response)
* Thimerosal (used as a mercury disinfectant/preservative) can result in brain injury and autoimmune disease
* Neomycin, Streptomycin (used as antibiotic) have caused allergic reactions in some people

[drinuk]

A little reminder to the medical profession and Big Pharma "First Do No Harm" No one knows the long term effects of Vaccination and I would suggest that all those about to have their kids vaccinated or those that have suffered side effects, take 90 minutes to watch the video on a Australian website. www.heartspring.net You will find the video on Flu Shot Side effects.

Whatever decisions are taken with regard to your kids, Do Not Believe Anything Doctors or Big Pharma tell you, Do your own research because they have vested interests.

[drinuk]

Tucson 23, What a digusting piece of trash you are, however your comments are not even worth a rebuttal.

[gaye5]

drinuk you are so right, as it is well known that they experimented on orphan children and the intellectual handicapped we dont really know what else they are putting in the immunisations..

My grand daughter stopped breathing on the way home from her vaccination, and if we had of been home she would simply have been counted as a cot death. She turned blue a few more times over the next two weeks, and had to have constant monitoring and this is when we took greater notice of the real stats on immunisations, we had previously read all the wonderful things about immunisation so then we started looking up '''the dangers of immunisations'''. and were horrified with what we read.. some vaccines are grown and strained through animal or human tissues like monkey kidney tissue, chicken embryo, embryonic guinea pig cells, calf serum, human diploid cells (the dissected organs of aborted foetuses as in the case of rubella, hepatitis A, and chickenpox vaccines)
Foreign animal tissues containing genetic material (DNA/RNA) - from growth medium

here is a few more thoughcouple that I know of...In addition to the viral and bacterial RNA or DNA that is part of the vaccines, here are the fillers:
aluminum hydroxide
aluminum phosphate
ammonium sulfate
amphotericin B
animal tissues: pig blood, horse blood, rabbit brain,
dog kidney, monkey kidney,
chick embryo, chicken egg, duck egg
calf (bovine) serum
betapropiolactone
fetal bovine serum
formaldehyde

[gaye5]

This is so hard, while you guys sleep we here in OZ are aawake... but here is a portion of another interesting article..

- In 1871-2, England, with 98% of the population aged between 2 and 50 vaccinated against smallpox, it experienced its worst ever smallpox outbreak with 45,000 deaths. During the same period in Germany, with a vaccination rate of 96%, there were over 125,000 deaths from smallpox. (The Hadwen Documents)

- In Germany, compulsory mass vaccination against diphtheria commenced in 1940 and by 1945 diphtheria cases were up from 40,000 to 250,000. (Don't Get Stuck, Hannah Allen)

- In the USA in 1960, two virologists discovered that both polio vaccines were contaminated with the SV 40 virus which causes cancer in animals as well as changes in human cell tissue cultures. Millions of children had been injected with these vaccines. (Med Jnl of Australia 17/3/1973 p555)

- In 1967, Ghana was declared measles free by the World Health Organisation after 96% of its population was vaccinated. In 1972, Ghana experienced one of its worst measles outbreaks with its highest ever mortality rate. (Dr H Albonico, MMR Vaccine Campaign in Switzerland,
March 1990)

[theorigprobe]

I remember those Septembers when there was the empty seat next to me in school. The teacher would tell us that Jimmy was not coming back, as he is a cripple, or living in an iron lung.

I remember those outbreaks of HiB, where Susie caught a "virus" and wound up a vegetable.

What is truly sad is that so many supposedly intelligent people have bought into the Barbara Loe Fischer anti-vaccination liar campaign. They just read something that supports their fears about vaccines, and, lo and behold, they accept it at face value.

The good news is that they do not vaccinate their children, and, in a generation or two, the Darwin effect will cull the herd, and leave a smarter populace.

So, for those of you who do not want to vaccinate your kids, please do so. Darwin is waiting.

[theorigprobe]

By the way, note how the anti-vac liars like to not discuss the science, but bleat and bray about "Pharma" the FDA, and anything other than something that they know that they cannot win.

And, a special note to the historical revisionist who claim that there were no sick kids years ago.

Take a look at this:

http://americanhistory.si.edu/polio/howpolio/ironlung.htm

There were thousands of them.

[drinuk]

origprobe. You sound like PR for Big Pharma.
The greatest attribute of this medium, the WWW, is that we are learning faster than ever. The wool can no longer be pulled over our eyes and the greatest scam worlwide currently being commited against humanity is the one perpetrated by Big Pharma and government officials. There is much contrary information on Vaccinations and only when truthful and meaningful reseach is carried out by truly independent authorities will people be able to trust them. The current Bird Flu nonsense is typical of Big Pharma winding up their stock value. We have a fifty old cancer industry, Cancer up by 20%, chemo only 10% successful and still Big Pharma tell us how well they are doing. There 'Aint no Cash in a Cure, Comfort and Dependency makes Billions.

[lck2201]

It seems to me that if the pharmaceutical companies are introducing Thirerosal (mercury) as a preservative to extend the shelf life of these vaccines thus increasing their bottom line profit and that is the only reason for the use of Thimerosal the FDA should immediately preclude the manufactuers of these vaccines from using these additives simply to increase their profits! This at least would eliminate the chance that Thimerosal is the driver behind the significant increase in Autism over the last 10 to 15 years. I am sure that the drug companies won't like it but it would serve to help parents of children in need of these vaccines to feel more comfortable until the problem has been quantified.

[valcarcom]

Considering the interest in the subject, to judge from the responses above, for example, am utterly flummoxed that in your reference to Cotton Mather's part in this scientific breakthrough, you made no mention of his slave, Onesimus. Mather, himself, stated that it was from him he learned of this traditional medical practice for combating small pox in Africa. As you did with Belle DaCosta Greene, the woman who played such an internationally important role in the creation of the Pierpont Morgan library (which you featured on March 4th) and, therefore, in the country's artistic heritage, as well, why would you omit such an important African American contribution to the history of medicine. Is the obligation of putting and keeping such black figures, especially if they do not fit squarely into the victimization paradigm, in national perspective only that of PBS? If so, perhaps the commercial networks should be made to contribute to the operation costs of public television.

Mario Valdes

[pamk741]

According to an internal training manual, Merck, one of the largest pharmaceutical companies in the world and the maker of the controversial new vaccine for children, Gardasil, has a highly sophisticated sales group dedicated to "managing" the thoughts and voices of influential doctors in America; a de facto thought police.

The thought police documents are part of a trove of confidential internal Merck marketing strategies demanded by Congress to determine how sales of Merck's last big blockbuster, Vioxx, continued to skyrocket in sales long after evidence of heart attacks and strokes emerged. Merck has a revealing lexicon for this intelligence gathering and inducement strategy:
influential doctors are called "thought leaders," and defined as doctors who, "due to their ability to influence their peers, drive therapeutic business at the national, regional or local level." The goal is clearly stated: "Understanding a thought leader's needs will assist you in developing a strong relationship with him/her and it will enable you to properly manage that advocate to create win-win situations for both Merck and the thought leader."

Pam Martens

I have 2 nephews with autism, developed right after receiving trivalent vaccines, and 1 nephew with Asberger's Syndrome, also developed after receiving a trivalent vaccine. They were developing normally until receiving the triggering vaccine. This regression into autism is not normal for the autism that is strictly genetically caused -- those children never develop normal speech and personal interactions. I have 4 relatives who developed polio (years ago) after receiving the polio vaccine. Parents should have the right to weigh the potential risks and benefits of the various vaccines for their children.

Mercury is not the only possible problem with our vaccines. In England, researchers are looking into other contributing factors. One is the interaction between genes and vaccines. Several studies have found that around 70% - 80% of children who are vaccinated and have 2 or more family members with autoimmune disorders develop autism. Other studies have found problems with the altered measles virus used in the measles vaccine.

We need to study the causes of autism with an open mind -- scientifically. No researcher ever paid to do research for the pharmaceutical companies should be allowed to work on these studies.

We owe it to our children.