Dozens Of Sunnis Killed In Iraq Rampage

Shiite Cops And Militants Allegedlly Kill Sunni Civilians As Revenge For Dual Truck Bombings

(CBS/AP)  Shiite militants and police enraged by deadly truck bombings went on a shooting rampage against Sunnis in a northwestern Iraqi city Wednesday, killing as many as 70 men execution-style in the latest eruption of sectarian violence outside the capital.

The gunmen began roaming Sunni neighborhoods in the city, shooting at residents and homes, according to police and a local Sunni politician.

Ali al-Talafari, a Sunni member of the local Turkomen Front Party, said the Iraqi army had arrested 18 policemen accused of being involved after they were identified by the Sunni families targeted. But he said the attackers included Shiite militiamen.

He said more than 60 Sunnis had been killed, but a senior hospital official in Tal Afar put the death toll at 45, with four wounded.

The hospital official, who spoke on condition of anonymity due to security concerns, said the victims were men between the ages of 15 and 60, and they were killed with a shot to the back of the head.

Police said earlier dozens of Sunnis were killed or wounded, but they had no precise figures, and communications problems made it difficult to reach them for an update. The shooting continued for more than two hours, the officials said.

Army troops later moved into the Sunni areas to stop the violence, and a curfew was slapped on the entire town, according to Wathiq al-Hamdani, the provincial police chief and his head of operations, Brig. Abdul-Karim al-Jibouri.

Meanwhile, suicide truck bombers carrying highly toxic chlorine were blocked from attacks on the government center in Fallujah on Wednesday but detonated their explosives, wounding about 15 U.S. and Iraqi security forces, the American military said.

The statement did not give a breakdown of Iraqi and U.S. forces wounded but said other "Iraqi soldiers and policemen were being treated" for breathing troubles, nausea, skin irritation and vomiting — symptoms of chlorine gas inhalation.

No U.S. or Iraqi forces were killed, the military said.

Tal Afar, located 260 miles northwest of Baghdad, is in the province of Ninevah, of which Mosul is the capital.

"The situation is under control now," said al-Hamdani. "The local Tal Afar police have been confined to their bases and policemen from Mosul are moving there to replace them."

Al-Jibouri said he was heading to Tal Afar to take charge of the situation.

Two truck bombs hit markets in Tal Afar on Tuesday, killing at least 63 and wounding 150 in the second assault in four days on a predominantly Shiite Muslim city hit by a resurgence in violence a year after it was held up as a symbol of U.S. success.

After Tuesday's bombings, suspected Sunni insurgents tried to ambush ambulances carrying the injured out of the northwestern city but were driven off by police gunfire, Iraqi authorities said.

The carnage was the worst bloodshed in a day of attacks across Iraq.

Meanwhile, hundreds of Iraqis detained in the U.S.-led security crackdown in Baghdad are being held in two detention centers designed to hold at most a few dozen people, The New York Times reported Wednesday, citing an Iraqi monitoring group.

The report said 705 people were packed into an area built for 75 at one of the detention centers, in the town of Mahmudiya, south of Baghdad. The other center, on Muthana Air Base, held 272 people, including two women and four boys, in a space designed to hold about 50.

Officials from the monitoring group said they did not know the sectarian composition of the detainee populations.

In other developments:

Suicide truck bombers carrying highly toxic chlorine were blocked from attacks on the government center in Fallujah on Wednesday but detonated their explosives, wounding about 15 U.S. and Iraqi security forces, the American military said.

U.S. commanders in Iraq won't know until at least autumn when they can begin to bring troop levels back down, the chief spokesman told the Associated Press on Wednesday. The overall U.S. commander, Gen. David Petraeus, will want to sustain the momentum that has been gained in the Baghdad security offensive by keeping five added Army combat brigades in place, Maj. Gen. William C. Caldwell said.

In Baghdad, a U.S. soldier and an American working as a U.S. government contractor were killed by a rocket attack on the heavily guarded Green Zone, U.S. officials said. Another contract worker suffered serious wounds and three were slightly wounded. A soldier also was wounded. A U.S. Marine died during combat operations in Anbar province, a hotbed of Sunni Arab insurgents west of Baghdad, the military said in a statement.

U.S. soldiers foiled two suicide truck bombers trying to attack their base in a small town 50 miles west of Baghdad and killed as many as 15 attackers, the military said. It said eight soldiers suffered wounds, all but one of them slight, during the firefight in Karmah.

President Bush accused Congressional Democrats on Wednesday of meddling in Iraq war policy and setting a deadline for a U.S. pullout that would have disastrous repercussions for both countries.

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by crater7 March 28, 2007 6:43 AM PDT

THINK ABOUT IT? As sad as this attack is, the next Headline could read: IRAQI Police attacks American Troops. It's just a matter of time until one of these Iraqi cops turns the guns on our troops. These are the people who under the current Administrations so called troop surge, our troops are to be embedded and live with these police, in local precincts.

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by tuckerndfw March 28, 2007 6:49 AM PDT

John McCain appeared in a tv interview proclaiming "the surge is working, give it a chance."

Thereby demonstrating he is unfit to be a Senator, much less the President. It was one more, of the many variations, of "we're turning a corner."

There is no point in using US combat forces for cannon fodder and bomb detectors for people who have repeatedly demonstrated they want no part of "western democracy."

They have demonstrated they want to be a nation of tribal warlords and family or religious feuds, so be it.

Bring US forces home now.

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by March 28, 2007 6:51 AM PDT

CBSNews:

"Police said dozens of Sunnis were killed or wounded, but they had no precise figures."

Are these the same police that carried out the attacks on presumably innocent Sunnis?

I wonder how long it is before they turn their guns on their American "friends".

Welcome to GW Bush's "wild west" Iraq.

That f*cker sent Americans to die in Iraq and he needs to pay for his crimes against the American people.

He is nothing but scum.

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by tuckerndfw March 28, 2007 6:57 AM PDT

What did US taxpayers get for approximately one TRILLION dollars (by the time the bills all come due)?

What did those brave young men and women get for the loss of their lives & limbs (not to mention lost mental & physical health for years to come)?

We got a nationwide Jerry Springer show, live in Iraq.

Except they are serious and using deadly weapons.

Saddam Hussein's government was far better than the mess George Bush (and cronies) made in Iraq.

George Bush should be impeached and indicted for war crimes.

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by March 28, 2007 6:59 AM PDT

tuckerndfw wrote:

"John McCain appeared in a tv interview proclaiming "the surge is working, give it a chance."

Thereby demonstrating he is unfit to be a Senator, much less the President. It was one more, of the many variations, of "we're turning a corner.""

I used to have a great deal of respect for John McCain - that respect has since vanished.

It's now clear that he's beginning to believe GW Bush's lies and deceptions.

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by crater7 March 28, 2007 7:05 AM PDT

MCCAIN, also said there are streets in Baghdad that he could walk down without military escort, and feel safe. Hmmmmm, You think?

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by tuckerndfw March 28, 2007 7:09 AM PDT

I used to have a great deal of respect for John McCain - that respect has since vanished.

It's now clear that he's beginning to believe GW Bush's lies and deceptions.

Posted by mcdazz at 06:59 AM : Mar 28, 2007

As did I. and have considered supporting him.

But, over the past few years, he has demonstrated near total lack of judgment.

If the election in 2008 is between Hillary and Giuliani or McCain, I'll be voting independent.

Anyone who believes anything George Bush says (other than his Freudian slips) isn't fit to hold public office. George Bush is a pathological liar and has been his entire life.

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by tuckerndfw March 28, 2007 7:15 AM PDT

And, to think, George Bush (and his war profiteering cronies) wants to expand this nonsense to Iran and the entire Middle East.

George Bush (and his war profiteering cronies) should be removed from public office and indicted for war crimes.

Before they are allowed to further destroy the US. Or, bring their version of "western democracy" to anyone else.

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by radiob-2009 March 28, 2007 7:25 AM PDT

"The situation is under control now," said al-Hamdani. "The local Tal Afar police have been confined to their bases and policemen from Mosul are moving there to replace them."


No mention of arresting them????????????????

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by March 28, 2007 7:28 AM PDT

tuckerndfw wrote:

"If the election in 2008 is between Hillary and Giuliani or McCain, I'll be voting independent.

Anyone who believes anything George Bush says (other than his Freudian slips) isn't fit to hold public office. George Bush is a pathological liar and has been his entire life."

I absolutely agree on all counts.

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by condumism March 28, 2007 7:34 AM PDT

US Troop surge? How bout escalation? The abuse of the English language by the Fascist Republicons (in reality the Soviet Party) can be summed up in one word: TRAITORS!

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by patriotic9 March 28, 2007 8:07 AM PDT

Saddam Hussain should have been given NOBEL PRICE.He controlled that region like nobody else could.

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by March 28, 2007 8:14 AM PDT

At this point, I must wonder if all this will ultimately be the start of World War 3. That is an extreme possibility. However, it does indeed seem possible. I will pray for peace in Iraq and an end to the war on terror.

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by xsoldier2 March 28, 2007 8:15 AM PDT

Liberalism and Communism is almost the same, just liberals do not like the title Communist because of its known failures. Distribution of wealth and free everything (yea) is their slogan. Have the wealthy pay for it. The problem is there will only be elite and peasants, no middle class. Some of the peasants will keep a clean environment, but not many. The peasants are our middle class now. Stop Communism and live the American way. Don%u2019t buy into their rhetoric

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by mcvet March 28, 2007 8:18 AM PDT

At this point, I must wonder if all this will ultimately be the start of World War 3. That is an extreme possibility. However, it does indeed seem possible. I will pray for peace in Iraq and an end to the war on terror.
Posted by US8th_Hit at 08:14 AM : Mar 28, 2007
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You should pray for this nation and for us getting a leader who is competent enough to keep us OUT of Civil Wars. This never happens if Sir LIES-A-Lot just tells the people of this nation the TRUTH!! It's just that simple. When he went before the people and instead of trying to scare the living do do out of them, he'd have told them the truth, We THINK Saddam has WMD's. But then he couldn't have bullied our Allies making this nation so hated in the world, to stop the UN Inspectors now could he. No folks all of us should accept and quickly, that we have a FRAUD as a President.

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by mcvet March 28, 2007 8:22 AM PDT

Liberalism and Communism is almost the same, just liberals do not like the title Communist because of its known failures. Distribution of wealth and free everything (yea) is their slogan. Have the wealthy pay for it. The problem is there will only be elite and peasants, no middle class. Some of the peasants will keep a clean environment, but not many. The peasants are our middle class now. Stop Communism and live the American way. Don%u2019t buy into their rhetoric
Posted by xsoldier2 at 08:15 AM : Mar 28, 2007


ROFLMAO You sound like a poster for the Third Reich! Care to tell us just what YOUR small minded opinion of the folks who created this nation and created EVERY right we have has to do with the INCOMPETENCE of George W. Bush? When you look at the list of our Greatest Leaders and realize that all of them were LIBERAL. Then you look at those who created this nation and find that they were RADICAL LIBERAL, then attempt to smear hatred on them. Well that's beneath even a Nazi. Sieg Heil.

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by xsoldier2 March 28, 2007 8:22 AM PDT

So many people are not using their minds anymore. They are taking what they here from one source and not evaluating it. There is so much miss information out there that it ids bringing down our country. One party is at war with the president and not the enemy and they are winning and we are loosing to our enemies. The desire for power out ways our security and way of life. Many people here only what they want to here and ignore the rest. I guess that speaks for our education system. No more free thinking. Brain washing is the norm for the News media. They also want power to control things.

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by thefarmer77 March 28, 2007 8:23 AM PDT

"A major Sunni Arab insurgent group reported Tuesday that its military leader was slain outside Baghdad, an assault likely to deepen an increasingly bloody rift between al Qaida in Iraq and opponents of the terror group in Sunni communities west of the capital."

Hey is CBS admitting that there are AL Qaida in Iraq?

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by xsoldier2 March 28, 2007 8:25 AM PDT

Conservatives created this nation. And your statements are liberal (untrue)

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by pwrslm March 28, 2007 8:25 AM PDT

Saddam Hussain should have been given NOBEL PRICE.He controlled that region like nobody else could.
Posted by patriotic9 at 08:07 AM : Mar 28, 2007

Since the Saddam Hussein regime was overthrown in May, 270 mass graves have been reported. By mid-January, 2004, the number of confirmed sites climbed to fifty-three. Some graves hold a few dozen bodies%u2014their arms lashed together and the bullet holes in the backs of skulls testimony to their execution. Other graves go on for hundreds of meters, densely packed with thousands of bodies.

"We've already discovered just so far the remains of 400,000 people in mass graves," said British Prime Minister Tony Blair on November 20 in London. The United Nations, the U.S. State Department, Amnesty International, and Human Rights Watch (HRW) all estimate that Saddam Hussein's regime murdered hundreds of thousands of innocent people. "Human Rights Watch estimates that as many as 290,000 Iraqis have been 'disappeared' by the Iraqi government over the past two decades," said the group in a statement in May. "Many of these 'disappeared' are those whose remains are now being unearthed in mass graves all over Iraq."

http://www.usaid.gov/iraq/legacyofterror.html

Maybe Saddam did control the masses, but evidence of how he accomplished that leads me to conclude that Saddam himself was a terrorist.

Remember the swords statue they tore down? That wasnt an icon of Iraqi national pride, it was a representation of mass murder and tyrany.

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by xsoldier2 March 28, 2007 8:29 AM PDT

We are and have been in WWIII for the past 15 Years. Wake up and smell the coffee. Clinton did nothing and now looks where we are. The Democrats are at war with the president and not the enemy

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by rafterman1 March 28, 2007 8:30 AM PDT

"Liberalism and Communism is almost the same"

Let's not forget that conservatism has failed throughout history. Conservatives have been on the wrong side of most issues in this country's history.

The conservatives wanted to stay with the King and England during the Revolution. The liberals are the ones who wanted to break away and start a new country and did just that.

The conservatives wanted to keep slavery and break apart the country. The liberals fought to end slavery and keep the country together and did just that.

The conservatives wanted to deny women the right to vote. The liberals fought for it and won.

The conservatives wanted to stop civil rights and civil rights legislation. The liberals fought for civil rights for all and won.

Now, the conservatives want to stop g@y rights. G@ys are the new blacks of the 21st century for conservatives. Conservatives will of course lose this one too as conservatives never learn from their mistakes and never study history. That's because conservatives never look forward, only back to the past - back to the "good ol' days", which weren't always good for everybody. Liberals look forward to the future, which is why we they are on the right side of most of the great issues of history.

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by rafterman1 March 28, 2007 8:34 AM PDT

"Conservatives created this nation. And your statements are liberal (untrue)"

Wow, just when I didn't think you could be more ignorant of history, you take it a step further. The Revolution against England was driven by radical liberals fighting against the conservative loyalists who wanted to stay with England.

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by xsoldier2 March 28, 2007 8:34 AM PDT

Get ready for the draft the democrats will need it. They can%u2019t manage the war with out the draft to cover up their stupidity

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by antoniof123 March 28, 2007 8:36 AM PDT

I am laughing so loud there are people who say they would vote independent. Then you will get another Republican because they all vote lock step. Another 4 years of GWB and WMD search. You people are trying to convince us that Clinton was evil from where I stand I see Bush and his group as the evil ones. Look at the facts no war excellent ecomony durning Clinton. War and ecomony going to the dogs. Before that daddy high unemployment rate rich just keep getting richer. Please tell me once and for all what good this groupd of leaders have done for America. The answer is none period no defense. They brough the war on terror even closer to America thank for your opinion but no thank you this time.

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by bluestardad March 28, 2007 8:37 AM PDT

SELL OUT AMERICA FOR ISRAEL KEEP OUR TROOPS IN IRAQ!

IMPEACHMENT AND TRIAL FOR TREASON!
The War in Iraq is still not the war on Terror and Iraq still did not attack America on 911! Bush lied and had predetermined to attack Iraq. In Ignoring Security warnings like Bin Laden planning to attack inside United States Using Passenger Aircraft, he and his cabinet are responsible for the attacks on 911 that killed over 3000 Americans and the subsequent deaths of Americans in his mismanaged war! Where are the 363 tons of money and the 500 billion American Tax Dollars? President Bush and the Republicans have failed on their Support for the Troops and the American People on all Counts! Bush and his Administration deserve to be impeached at best and tried for Treason.


Follow the money trail AND find that most of those elected officials who support the war in Iraq are under the influence of AIPAC.

http://www.aipac.org/forms/join_aipacClubs.htm



Now here is the real kicker! President Bush is funding Al Qaeda in Lebanon with funds from Iraq! This is Impeachment and Treason! Here is the proof Read it!
http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/articles/070305fa_fact_hersh


If you think Americas sacrifice is worth it contact your ELECTED OFFICIAL and tell them http://www.visi.com/juan/congress/

The House Speakers email address: [e-mail]

[e-mail]
Republican Party email

[e-mail]
Democratic Party email

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by xsoldier2 March 28, 2007 8:38 AM PDT

Democrats sometimes wonder why Americans have little faith in their ability to handle national security issues. Maybe it's the series of irresponsible, even cockamamie defense proposals that they've offered over the years, including last week's idea of forcing a troop withdrawal from Iraq through a pork-laden spending bill. In other words, you don't get goodies for the folks back home unless you support an arbitary pull-out date from Iraq. And, of course, that measure was narrowly approved by the House, which must be awfully reassuring for California spinach farmers (who get $25 million under the plan), and Al Qaida's Iraq affiliate, which has the reassurance that the new majority party is fully committed to cut-and-run.

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by rafterman1 March 28, 2007 8:39 AM PDT

"Get ready for the draft the democrats will need it. They can%u2019t manage the war with out the draft to cover up their stupidity"

Wrong again. Bush and his boys have and are managing this war, not Dems. Congress has had little say in the war, hence the mess we are in now, thanks to Bush. Bush's incompetence will require the draft.

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by rafterman1 March 28, 2007 8:42 AM PDT

"Al Qaida's Iraq affiliate"

Created by Bush. There was no Al Queda in Iraq before Bush's ill-advised and no-thought invasion.

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by panhandlpete March 28, 2007 8:43 AM PDT

IT IS FUTILE to think that mankind has risen above the greed and power that leaders get from WAR. Even if US were to declare an end to the "occupation" in Iraq, then the troops would head back to Afghanistan to fight the "Taliban". America has tried to be the Police/protector of the entire globe, and similiar to a playground bully, forces will always be at play to dethrone the bully. The question is, "Does the bully provoke action against himself and thereby deserves whatever comes his way"?

Americans need to be Americans first, not natives of some other country, who happen to become citizens(or here illegally), and should speak the language and assimiliate into society, not create little countries within this great country. Being a "melting pot" only works if the mixture is "melted and mixed", not divided. An example is Iraq where you have three factions fighting over control. Think what USA may be one day when there are MANY groups seeking control!!!!!

The bill coming up to be voted on gives amnesty and potential citizenship to MILLIONS, primarily Mexicans, and this is going to change the "mix" in the melting pot. This is being done to appease the corporations for "cheap labor", without any consideration for the impact it will have upon the "middle and lower" citizens. After all, "They do jobs that Americans won't do" say the Decider.

Politicans need to think of something other than VOTES.

It is the time for voices to be heard. Write you Congressmen and Senators.

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by xsoldier2 March 28, 2007 8:44 AM PDT

Democratic staffer temporarily lost his security clearance after portions of a National Intelligence Estimate on Iraq appeared in The New York Times. After a predictable protest from Congressional Democrats, the aide's clearance was restored. By party standards, I suppose, his "sins" were relatively minor and deserving of forgiveness. Afterall, Vermont's Patrick Leahy is still serving proudly as a leading Democratic member of the Senate, almost 20 years after he was forced to resign as Vice-Chairman of that body's intelligence committee. As you may recall, Leahy was accused of leaking sensitive information to members of the press--material that compromised U.S. counter-terrorism operations and may have killed a key intelligence asset.

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by zykracosmos March 28, 2007 8:45 AM PDT

Meltdown!
Looks like the Halliburton-Exxon administration lost their gamble to seize a country for oil, after assuming they could figure out how to deal with three hostile ethnic groups, two of which hate us, somewhere along the way. Now the penalty phase. This civil war was inevitable from the beginning. Iraq was an artificial country created by Britain to have a formal entity to develop oil interests in the first place. The only way these three ethnic rival population groups could be kept from fighting each other was with a dictator. Now they will revert to what they always were- tribal cultures. You'll have the same ethnic cleansing you had in Yugoslovia, India, and Africa- anywhere tribes are fighting for control of a political entity created artificially by outsiders. But you wouldn't expect anyone weaned on oil to know much about cultures and history then, would you? And all the while young American soldiers are losing their lives for what will go down as a colossal mistake. It is unbelievable that there is still such a level of ignorance in our population that would believe this is about some American liberal/conservative face-off. No conservative from ten years ago would ever support a unilateral military adventure to topple a government and occupy a country, especially with the flimsy and fake justification used for this war. The only result of this war is that Bush has turned Iraq over to radical Islamic fundamentalists financed by Iran.

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by xsoldier2 March 28, 2007 8:47 AM PDT

Rafterman1 it was about Taxes which the liberals love.

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by March 28, 2007 8:49 AM PDT

xsoldier2 wrote:

"Liberalism and Communism is almost the same, just liberals do not like the title Communist because of its known failures. Distribution of wealth and free everything (yea) is their slogan. Have the wealthy pay for it. The problem is there will only be elite and peasants, no middle class. Some of the peasants will keep a clean environment, but not many. The peasants are our middle class now. Stop Communism and live the American way. Don%u2019t buy into their rhetoric"

Is that what the Klansmen tell you?

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by xsoldier2 March 28, 2007 8:52 AM PDT

When he ran for President back in 2004, John Kerry (perhaps you've heard, he served in Vietnam), made the usual promises about taking care of the troops and fighting a "smarter" war on terror. While it sounded good (at least to the Senator and his handlers), Kerry's supposed concern for the military didn't survive the attacks of his fellow Swift Boat veterans, who reminded us that Kerry's subsequent anti-war activities betrayed his comrades, and all who served in Vietnam.

If you ever wondered what John Kerry really thinks about the military--and those who serve--look no further than yesterday's campaign appearance in California. Appearing on the stump for gubernatorial candidate Phil Angelides, Kerry revealed his obvious contempt for those serving in the armed forces: (Hat tip: Michelle Malkin).

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by March 28, 2007 8:52 AM PDT

xsoldier2 wrote:

"Rafterman1 it was about Taxes which the liberals love."

Really? Well life has been great in the United States ever since GW Bush abolished all taxes.

Oh wait - he hasn't - I guess Republicans love taxes just as much as liberals.

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by rochest March 28, 2007 8:53 AM PDT

" this is a fine mess you've gotten us into Ollie" ( from the Stan and Ollie show in the 50's) well here we are.... this is not working... maybe we should just acknowledge that fact and ask for help either from the U.N. or the Arab League. it is time for us to stop trying to control the oil, the government this country has, the civil war.

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by xsoldier2 March 28, 2007 8:55 AM PDT

Tehran's decision to open a second centrifuge array is clearly an act of defiance--but does it indicate substantial progress toward producing a nuclear bomb? As we noted six months ago, using the centrifuges to produce enriched uranium is an important technological step, but Iran still faces critical hurdles in operating enough centrifuges to produce required quantities of nuclear fuel--and at the purity required for use in a weapon. Two cascades (with a total of 328 centrifuges) leaves Iran on the slow track for weapons development. To produce a bomb over the short term (say, the next year or 18 months), Tehran would need as many as 54,000 of the older centrifuges, or at least 12-13,000 of the larger P-2 models. Iran supposedly gained access to P-2 technology through Pakistan's infamous A.Q. Kahn nuclear proliferation ring. At this point, we don't know what type of centrifuges are being used in the Iranian cascades.

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by March 28, 2007 8:58 AM PDT

xsoldier2 wrote:

"Democrats sometimes wonder why Americans have little faith in their ability to handle national security issues."

Republicans and Democrats alike should be wondering about the mess that GW Bush has gotten us into.

After token efforts at catching Bin Laden (perhaps his daddy was bought and paid for buy the Bin Ladens), he has given up.

"I don't know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority." %u2014 GW Bush, Washington, D.C., March 13, 2002

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by March 28, 2007 8:58 AM PDT

xsoldier2 wrote:

"Democrats sometimes wonder why Americans have little faith in their ability to handle national security issues."

Republicans and Democrats alike should be wondering about the mess that GW Bush has gotten us into.

After token efforts at catching Bin Laden (perhaps his daddy was bought and paid for buy the Bin Ladens), he has given up.

"I don't know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority." %u2014 GW Bush, Washington, D.C., March 13, 2002

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by xsoldier2 March 28, 2007 9:00 AM PDT

mcdazz, Why do you have to put a liberal spin on everything?


Is that what the Klansmen tell you?

Posted by mcdazz at 08:49 AM : Mar 28, 2007
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xsoldier2 wrote:

"Liberalism and Communism is almost the same, just liberals do not like the title Communist because of its known failures. Distribution of wealth and free everything (yea) is their slogan. Have the wealthy pay for it. The problem is there will only be elite and peasants, no middle class. Some of the peasants will keep a clean environment, but not many. The peasants are our middle class now. Stop Communism and live the American way. Don%u2019t buy into their rhetoric"

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by rafterman1 March 28, 2007 9:03 AM PDT

"Is that what the Klansmen tell you?"

I don't know, you should ask them since 99% of Klansmen are conservative and vote Republican.

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by rharrin1 March 28, 2007 9:04 AM PDT

These towel heads are no different now than when they lived in tents except choice of weapons and is called tribal warfare.

Ten years from now it will be no different the solution is get out. Let another saddam hussein gain power and control those idiots same as saddam did.

Chalk it up georgie you lost in your quest to look like a hero the only thing you have shown to date is ignorance.

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by March 28, 2007 9:05 AM PDT

xsoldier2 wrote:

"mcdazz, Why do you have to put a liberal spin on everything?"

Liberal spin? After the republicanazi spin you've been spewing forth?

Don't you think that's a bit hypocritical?

Afterall, the vast majority of your posts have had a decidely Right Wing slant.

I am allowed to draw conclusions - or are you against free speech as well?

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by March 28, 2007 9:09 AM PDT

xsoldier2 wrote:

"mcdazz, Why do you have to put a liberal spin on everything?"

"+ report abuse"

Oh, boo freaking hoo. Grow some.

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by formrusmcsgt March 28, 2007 9:09 AM PDT

These are the same forces the administration wants us to believe will bring stability to Iraq.......

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by dogband March 28, 2007 9:10 AM PDT

We need to get the hell out of here so fast, it should make the worlds head spin. Contract with as many airline carriers as possible and do an airlift that would give the world SHOCK AND AWE to see how fast we can move 130,000+ troops. Have them home by this weekend. Then impeach the idiot that got us into this mess.

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by March 28, 2007 9:13 AM PDT

formrusmcsgt wrote:

"These are the same forces the administration wants us to believe will bring stability to Iraq......."

It'll be interesting to see what happens to those Iraqi police that went on the rampage.

I suspect that they'll eventually be freed and allowed to continue their murderous spree at a later date.

Let's hope these same forces don't turn their weapons on our soldiers.

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by xsoldier2 March 28, 2007 9:21 AM PDT

mcdazz, Sorry for making you cry

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by aaabee-2009 March 28, 2007 9:22 AM PDT

BUT Joe "Independent Republican Democrat Green Party" Leiberman says we are turning the corner in Iraq.

Anyone catch any facts, evidence, numbers, or proof from him that it might be true? This certainly indicates otherwise, but when does truth have much say in this war.

Anyone who says Suddenly that we are Suddenly winning in Iraq Suddenly now that Congress has voted to end this war, ask them to provide facts and proof!!!

If it is true, good.

If it is just another lie generated by the spin machine to keep Bush and his oil buddies in war funds for another two years, we need to call them on it.

NO MORE LIES!!!!!!!

Ask for facts and proof. Freedom of speech demands it.

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[crater7]

THINK ABOUT IT? As sad as this attack is, the next Headline could read: IRAQI Police attacks American Troops. It's just a matter of time until one of these Iraqi cops turns the guns on our troops. These are the people who under the current Administrations so called troop surge, our troops are to be embedded and live with these police, in local precincts.

[tuckerndfw]

John McCain appeared in a tv interview proclaiming "the surge is working, give it a chance."

Thereby demonstrating he is unfit to be a Senator, much less the President. It was one more, of the many variations, of "we're turning a corner."

There is no point in using US combat forces for cannon fodder and bomb detectors for people who have repeatedly demonstrated they want no part of "western democracy."

They have demonstrated they want to be a nation of tribal warlords and family or religious feuds, so be it.

Bring US forces home now.

CBSNews:

"Police said dozens of Sunnis were killed or wounded, but they had no precise figures."

Are these the same police that carried out the attacks on presumably innocent Sunnis?

I wonder how long it is before they turn their guns on their American "friends".

Welcome to GW Bush's "wild west" Iraq.

That f*cker sent Americans to die in Iraq and he needs to pay for his crimes against the American people.

He is nothing but scum.

[tuckerndfw]

What did US taxpayers get for approximately one TRILLION dollars (by the time the bills all come due)?

What did those brave young men and women get for the loss of their lives & limbs (not to mention lost mental & physical health for years to come)?

We got a nationwide Jerry Springer show, live in Iraq.

Except they are serious and using deadly weapons.

Saddam Hussein's government was far better than the mess George Bush (and cronies) made in Iraq.

George Bush should be impeached and indicted for war crimes.

tuckerndfw wrote:

"John McCain appeared in a tv interview proclaiming "the surge is working, give it a chance."

Thereby demonstrating he is unfit to be a Senator, much less the President. It was one more, of the many variations, of "we're turning a corner.""

I used to have a great deal of respect for John McCain - that respect has since vanished.

It's now clear that he's beginning to believe GW Bush's lies and deceptions.

[crater7]

MCCAIN, also said there are streets in Baghdad that he could walk down without military escort, and feel safe. Hmmmmm, You think?

[tuckerndfw]

I used to have a great deal of respect for John McCain - that respect has since vanished.

It's now clear that he's beginning to believe GW Bush's lies and deceptions.

Posted by mcdazz at 06:59 AM : Mar 28, 2007

As did I. and have considered supporting him.

But, over the past few years, he has demonstrated near total lack of judgment.

If the election in 2008 is between Hillary and Giuliani or McCain, I'll be voting independent.

Anyone who believes anything George Bush says (other than his Freudian slips) isn't fit to hold public office. George Bush is a pathological liar and has been his entire life.

[tuckerndfw]

And, to think, George Bush (and his war profiteering cronies) wants to expand this nonsense to Iran and the entire Middle East.

George Bush (and his war profiteering cronies) should be removed from public office and indicted for war crimes.

Before they are allowed to further destroy the US. Or, bring their version of "western democracy" to anyone else.

[radiob-2009]

"The situation is under control now," said al-Hamdani. "The local Tal Afar police have been confined to their bases and policemen from Mosul are moving there to replace them."


No mention of arresting them????????????????

tuckerndfw wrote:

"If the election in 2008 is between Hillary and Giuliani or McCain, I'll be voting independent.

Anyone who believes anything George Bush says (other than his Freudian slips) isn't fit to hold public office. George Bush is a pathological liar and has been his entire life."

I absolutely agree on all counts.

[condumism]

US Troop surge? How bout escalation? The abuse of the English language by the Fascist Republicons (in reality the Soviet Party) can be summed up in one word: TRAITORS!

[patriotic9]

Saddam Hussain should have been given NOBEL PRICE.He controlled that region like nobody else could.

At this point, I must wonder if all this will ultimately be the start of World War 3. That is an extreme possibility. However, it does indeed seem possible. I will pray for peace in Iraq and an end to the war on terror.

[xsoldier2]

Liberalism and Communism is almost the same, just liberals do not like the title Communist because of its known failures. Distribution of wealth and free everything (yea) is their slogan. Have the wealthy pay for it. The problem is there will only be elite and peasants, no middle class. Some of the peasants will keep a clean environment, but not many. The peasants are our middle class now. Stop Communism and live the American way. Don%u2019t buy into their rhetoric

[mcvet]

At this point, I must wonder if all this will ultimately be the start of World War 3. That is an extreme possibility. However, it does indeed seem possible. I will pray for peace in Iraq and an end to the war on terror.
Posted by US8th_Hit at 08:14 AM : Mar 28, 2007
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You should pray for this nation and for us getting a leader who is competent enough to keep us OUT of Civil Wars. This never happens if Sir LIES-A-Lot just tells the people of this nation the TRUTH!! It's just that simple. When he went before the people and instead of trying to scare the living do do out of them, he'd have told them the truth, We THINK Saddam has WMD's. But then he couldn't have bullied our Allies making this nation so hated in the world, to stop the UN Inspectors now could he. No folks all of us should accept and quickly, that we have a FRAUD as a President.

[mcvet]

Liberalism and Communism is almost the same, just liberals do not like the title Communist because of its known failures. Distribution of wealth and free everything (yea) is their slogan. Have the wealthy pay for it. The problem is there will only be elite and peasants, no middle class. Some of the peasants will keep a clean environment, but not many. The peasants are our middle class now. Stop Communism and live the American way. Don%u2019t buy into their rhetoric
Posted by xsoldier2 at 08:15 AM : Mar 28, 2007


ROFLMAO You sound like a poster for the Third Reich! Care to tell us just what YOUR small minded opinion of the folks who created this nation and created EVERY right we have has to do with the INCOMPETENCE of George W. Bush? When you look at the list of our Greatest Leaders and realize that all of them were LIBERAL. Then you look at those who created this nation and find that they were RADICAL LIBERAL, then attempt to smear hatred on them. Well that's beneath even a Nazi. Sieg Heil.

[xsoldier2]

So many people are not using their minds anymore. They are taking what they here from one source and not evaluating it. There is so much miss information out there that it ids bringing down our country. One party is at war with the president and not the enemy and they are winning and we are loosing to our enemies. The desire for power out ways our security and way of life. Many people here only what they want to here and ignore the rest. I guess that speaks for our education system. No more free thinking. Brain washing is the norm for the News media. They also want power to control things.

[thefarmer77]

"A major Sunni Arab insurgent group reported Tuesday that its military leader was slain outside Baghdad, an assault likely to deepen an increasingly bloody rift between al Qaida in Iraq and opponents of the terror group in Sunni communities west of the capital."

Hey is CBS admitting that there are AL Qaida in Iraq?

[xsoldier2]

Conservatives created this nation. And your statements are liberal (untrue)

[pwrslm]

Saddam Hussain should have been given NOBEL PRICE.He controlled that region like nobody else could.
Posted by patriotic9 at 08:07 AM : Mar 28, 2007

Since the Saddam Hussein regime was overthrown in May, 270 mass graves have been reported. By mid-January, 2004, the number of confirmed sites climbed to fifty-three. Some graves hold a few dozen bodies%u2014their arms lashed together and the bullet holes in the backs of skulls testimony to their execution. Other graves go on for hundreds of meters, densely packed with thousands of bodies.

"We've already discovered just so far the remains of 400,000 people in mass graves," said British Prime Minister Tony Blair on November 20 in London. The United Nations, the U.S. State Department, Amnesty International, and Human Rights Watch (HRW) all estimate that Saddam Hussein's regime murdered hundreds of thousands of innocent people. "Human Rights Watch estimates that as many as 290,000 Iraqis have been 'disappeared' by the Iraqi government over the past two decades," said the group in a statement in May. "Many of these 'disappeared' are those whose remains are now being unearthed in mass graves all over Iraq."

http://www.usaid.gov/iraq/legacyofterror.html

Maybe Saddam did control the masses, but evidence of how he accomplished that leads me to conclude that Saddam himself was a terrorist.

Remember the swords statue they tore down? That wasnt an icon of Iraqi national pride, it was a representation of mass murder and tyrany.

[xsoldier2]

We are and have been in WWIII for the past 15 Years. Wake up and smell the coffee. Clinton did nothing and now looks where we are. The Democrats are at war with the president and not the enemy

[rafterman1]

"Liberalism and Communism is almost the same"

Let's not forget that conservatism has failed throughout history. Conservatives have been on the wrong side of most issues in this country's history.

The conservatives wanted to stay with the King and England during the Revolution. The liberals are the ones who wanted to break away and start a new country and did just that.

The conservatives wanted to keep slavery and break apart the country. The liberals fought to end slavery and keep the country together and did just that.

The conservatives wanted to deny women the right to vote. The liberals fought for it and won.

The conservatives wanted to stop civil rights and civil rights legislation. The liberals fought for civil rights for all and won.

Now, the conservatives want to stop g@y rights. G@ys are the new blacks of the 21st century for conservatives. Conservatives will of course lose this one too as conservatives never learn from their mistakes and never study history. That's because conservatives never look forward, only back to the past - back to the "good ol' days", which weren't always good for everybody. Liberals look forward to the future, which is why we they are on the right side of most of the great issues of history.

[rafterman1]

"Conservatives created this nation. And your statements are liberal (untrue)"

Wow, just when I didn't think you could be more ignorant of history, you take it a step further. The Revolution against England was driven by radical liberals fighting against the conservative loyalists who wanted to stay with England.

[xsoldier2]

Get ready for the draft the democrats will need it. They can%u2019t manage the war with out the draft to cover up their stupidity

[antoniof123]

I am laughing so loud there are people who say they would vote independent. Then you will get another Republican because they all vote lock step. Another 4 years of GWB and WMD search. You people are trying to convince us that Clinton was evil from where I stand I see Bush and his group as the evil ones. Look at the facts no war excellent ecomony durning Clinton. War and ecomony going to the dogs. Before that daddy high unemployment rate rich just keep getting richer. Please tell me once and for all what good this groupd of leaders have done for America. The answer is none period no defense. They brough the war on terror even closer to America thank for your opinion but no thank you this time.

[bluestardad]

SELL OUT AMERICA FOR ISRAEL KEEP OUR TROOPS IN IRAQ!

IMPEACHMENT AND TRIAL FOR TREASON!
The War in Iraq is still not the war on Terror and Iraq still did not attack America on 911! Bush lied and had predetermined to attack Iraq. In Ignoring Security warnings like Bin Laden planning to attack inside United States Using Passenger Aircraft, he and his cabinet are responsible for the attacks on 911 that killed over 3000 Americans and the subsequent deaths of Americans in his mismanaged war! Where are the 363 tons of money and the 500 billion American Tax Dollars? President Bush and the Republicans have failed on their Support for the Troops and the American People on all Counts! Bush and his Administration deserve to be impeached at best and tried for Treason.


Follow the money trail AND find that most of those elected officials who support the war in Iraq are under the influence of AIPAC.

http://www.aipac.org/forms/join_aipacClubs.htm



Now here is the real kicker! President Bush is funding Al Qaeda in Lebanon with funds from Iraq! This is Impeachment and Treason! Here is the proof Read it!
http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/articles/070305fa_fact_hersh


If you think Americas sacrifice is worth it contact your ELECTED OFFICIAL and tell them http://www.visi.com/juan/congress/

The House Speakers email address: [e-mail]

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Republican Party email

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Democratic Party email

[xsoldier2]

Democrats sometimes wonder why Americans have little faith in their ability to handle national security issues. Maybe it's the series of irresponsible, even cockamamie defense proposals that they've offered over the years, including last week's idea of forcing a troop withdrawal from Iraq through a pork-laden spending bill. In other words, you don't get goodies for the folks back home unless you support an arbitary pull-out date from Iraq. And, of course, that measure was narrowly approved by the House, which must be awfully reassuring for California spinach farmers (who get $25 million under the plan), and Al Qaida's Iraq affiliate, which has the reassurance that the new majority party is fully committed to cut-and-run.

[rafterman1]

"Get ready for the draft the democrats will need it. They can%u2019t manage the war with out the draft to cover up their stupidity"

Wrong again. Bush and his boys have and are managing this war, not Dems. Congress has had little say in the war, hence the mess we are in now, thanks to Bush. Bush's incompetence will require the draft.

[rafterman1]

"Al Qaida's Iraq affiliate"

Created by Bush. There was no Al Queda in Iraq before Bush's ill-advised and no-thought invasion.

[panhandlpete]

IT IS FUTILE to think that mankind has risen above the greed and power that leaders get from WAR. Even if US were to declare an end to the "occupation" in Iraq, then the troops would head back to Afghanistan to fight the "Taliban". America has tried to be the Police/protector of the entire globe, and similiar to a playground bully, forces will always be at play to dethrone the bully. The question is, "Does the bully provoke action against himself and thereby deserves whatever comes his way"?

Americans need to be Americans first, not natives of some other country, who happen to become citizens(or here illegally), and should speak the language and assimiliate into society, not create little countries within this great country. Being a "melting pot" only works if the mixture is "melted and mixed", not divided. An example is Iraq where you have three factions fighting over control. Think what USA may be one day when there are MANY groups seeking control!!!!!

The bill coming up to be voted on gives amnesty and potential citizenship to MILLIONS, primarily Mexicans, and this is going to change the "mix" in the melting pot. This is being done to appease the corporations for "cheap labor", without any consideration for the impact it will have upon the "middle and lower" citizens. After all, "They do jobs that Americans won't do" say the Decider.

Politicans need to think of something other than VOTES.

It is the time for voices to be heard. Write you Congressmen and Senators.

[xsoldier2]

Democratic staffer temporarily lost his security clearance after portions of a National Intelligence Estimate on Iraq appeared in The New York Times. After a predictable protest from Congressional Democrats, the aide's clearance was restored. By party standards, I suppose, his "sins" were relatively minor and deserving of forgiveness. Afterall, Vermont's Patrick Leahy is still serving proudly as a leading Democratic member of the Senate, almost 20 years after he was forced to resign as Vice-Chairman of that body's intelligence committee. As you may recall, Leahy was accused of leaking sensitive information to members of the press--material that compromised U.S. counter-terrorism operations and may have killed a key intelligence asset.

[zykracosmos]

Meltdown!
Looks like the Halliburton-Exxon administration lost their gamble to seize a country for oil, after assuming they could figure out how to deal with three hostile ethnic groups, two of which hate us, somewhere along the way. Now the penalty phase. This civil war was inevitable from the beginning. Iraq was an artificial country created by Britain to have a formal entity to develop oil interests in the first place. The only way these three ethnic rival population groups could be kept from fighting each other was with a dictator. Now they will revert to what they always were- tribal cultures. You'll have the same ethnic cleansing you had in Yugoslovia, India, and Africa- anywhere tribes are fighting for control of a political entity created artificially by outsiders. But you wouldn't expect anyone weaned on oil to know much about cultures and history then, would you? And all the while young American soldiers are losing their lives for what will go down as a colossal mistake. It is unbelievable that there is still such a level of ignorance in our population that would believe this is about some American liberal/conservative face-off. No conservative from ten years ago would ever support a unilateral military adventure to topple a government and occupy a country, especially with the flimsy and fake justification used for this war. The only result of this war is that Bush has turned Iraq over to radical Islamic fundamentalists financed by Iran.

[xsoldier2]

Rafterman1 it was about Taxes which the liberals love.

xsoldier2 wrote:

"Liberalism and Communism is almost the same, just liberals do not like the title Communist because of its known failures. Distribution of wealth and free everything (yea) is their slogan. Have the wealthy pay for it. The problem is there will only be elite and peasants, no middle class. Some of the peasants will keep a clean environment, but not many. The peasants are our middle class now. Stop Communism and live the American way. Don%u2019t buy into their rhetoric"

Is that what the Klansmen tell you?

[xsoldier2]

When he ran for President back in 2004, John Kerry (perhaps you've heard, he served in Vietnam), made the usual promises about taking care of the troops and fighting a "smarter" war on terror. While it sounded good (at least to the Senator and his handlers), Kerry's supposed concern for the military didn't survive the attacks of his fellow Swift Boat veterans, who reminded us that Kerry's subsequent anti-war activities betrayed his comrades, and all who served in Vietnam.

If you ever wondered what John Kerry really thinks about the military--and those who serve--look no further than yesterday's campaign appearance in California. Appearing on the stump for gubernatorial candidate Phil Angelides, Kerry revealed his obvious contempt for those serving in the armed forces: (Hat tip: Michelle Malkin).

xsoldier2 wrote:

"Rafterman1 it was about Taxes which the liberals love."

Really? Well life has been great in the United States ever since GW Bush abolished all taxes.

Oh wait - he hasn't - I guess Republicans love taxes just as much as liberals.

[rochest]

" this is a fine mess you've gotten us into Ollie" ( from the Stan and Ollie show in the 50's) well here we are.... this is not working... maybe we should just acknowledge that fact and ask for help either from the U.N. or the Arab League. it is time for us to stop trying to control the oil, the government this country has, the civil war.

[xsoldier2]

Tehran's decision to open a second centrifuge array is clearly an act of defiance--but does it indicate substantial progress toward producing a nuclear bomb? As we noted six months ago, using the centrifuges to produce enriched uranium is an important technological step, but Iran still faces critical hurdles in operating enough centrifuges to produce required quantities of nuclear fuel--and at the purity required for use in a weapon. Two cascades (with a total of 328 centrifuges) leaves Iran on the slow track for weapons development. To produce a bomb over the short term (say, the next year or 18 months), Tehran would need as many as 54,000 of the older centrifuges, or at least 12-13,000 of the larger P-2 models. Iran supposedly gained access to P-2 technology through Pakistan's infamous A.Q. Kahn nuclear proliferation ring. At this point, we don't know what type of centrifuges are being used in the Iranian cascades.

xsoldier2 wrote:

"Democrats sometimes wonder why Americans have little faith in their ability to handle national security issues."

Republicans and Democrats alike should be wondering about the mess that GW Bush has gotten us into.

After token efforts at catching Bin Laden (perhaps his daddy was bought and paid for buy the Bin Ladens), he has given up.

"I don't know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority." %u2014 GW Bush, Washington, D.C., March 13, 2002

xsoldier2 wrote:

"Democrats sometimes wonder why Americans have little faith in their ability to handle national security issues."

Republicans and Democrats alike should be wondering about the mess that GW Bush has gotten us into.

After token efforts at catching Bin Laden (perhaps his daddy was bought and paid for buy the Bin Ladens), he has given up.

"I don't know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority." %u2014 GW Bush, Washington, D.C., March 13, 2002

[xsoldier2]

mcdazz, Why do you have to put a liberal spin on everything?


Is that what the Klansmen tell you?

Posted by mcdazz at 08:49 AM : Mar 28, 2007
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xsoldier2 wrote:

"Liberalism and Communism is almost the same, just liberals do not like the title Communist because of its known failures. Distribution of wealth and free everything (yea) is their slogan. Have the wealthy pay for it. The problem is there will only be elite and peasants, no middle class. Some of the peasants will keep a clean environment, but not many. The peasants are our middle class now. Stop Communism and live the American way. Don%u2019t buy into their rhetoric"

[rafterman1]

"Is that what the Klansmen tell you?"

I don't know, you should ask them since 99% of Klansmen are conservative and vote Republican.

[rharrin1]

These towel heads are no different now than when they lived in tents except choice of weapons and is called tribal warfare.

Ten years from now it will be no different the solution is get out. Let another saddam hussein gain power and control those idiots same as saddam did.

Chalk it up georgie you lost in your quest to look like a hero the only thing you have shown to date is ignorance.

xsoldier2 wrote:

"mcdazz, Why do you have to put a liberal spin on everything?"

Liberal spin? After the republicanazi spin you've been spewing forth?

Don't you think that's a bit hypocritical?

Afterall, the vast majority of your posts have had a decidely Right Wing slant.

I am allowed to draw conclusions - or are you against free speech as well?

xsoldier2 wrote:

"mcdazz, Why do you have to put a liberal spin on everything?"

"+ report abuse"

Oh, boo freaking hoo. Grow some.

[formrusmcsgt]

These are the same forces the administration wants us to believe will bring stability to Iraq.......

[dogband]

We need to get the hell out of here so fast, it should make the worlds head spin. Contract with as many airline carriers as possible and do an airlift that would give the world SHOCK AND AWE to see how fast we can move 130,000+ troops. Have them home by this weekend. Then impeach the idiot that got us into this mess.

formrusmcsgt wrote:

"These are the same forces the administration wants us to believe will bring stability to Iraq......."

It'll be interesting to see what happens to those Iraqi police that went on the rampage.

I suspect that they'll eventually be freed and allowed to continue their murderous spree at a later date.

Let's hope these same forces don't turn their weapons on our soldiers.

[xsoldier2]

mcdazz, Sorry for making you cry

[aaabee-2009]

BUT Joe "Independent Republican Democrat Green Party" Leiberman says we are turning the corner in Iraq.

Anyone catch any facts, evidence, numbers, or proof from him that it might be true? This certainly indicates otherwise, but when does truth have much say in this war.

Anyone who says Suddenly that we are Suddenly winning in Iraq Suddenly now that Congress has voted to end this war, ask them to provide facts and proof!!!

If it is true, good.

If it is just another lie generated by the spin machine to keep Bush and his oil buddies in war funds for another two years, we need to call them on it.

NO MORE LIES!!!!!!!

Ask for facts and proof. Freedom of speech demands it.