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[alwaysaskwhy]

I keep hearing from these radical muslims that there leaders tell them that there will be 100's of virgins waiting for them in heaven if they become suicide bombers. How dumb can you be? If that is truly the case then what are these leaders waiting for, why dont they go hijack a plane and kill as many women and children as they can and get on up to heaven and have their way with all those virgins. Come on Osama quit talking the talk and starting doing what you encourage others to do.

[heaven3sent]

What Osama doesn't tell them is that the 100 virgins are all men.

[inplaindight]

I read alot of non-truths here. Recomend that you set aside emotions, and verify your information. Accept that people assume that everyone has the same values as they do.

Rember the ols saying &quot;Your acctions speak so loud that I can not here what you are saying&quot;.

[waynesborian]

ne0aes0p SAID: &quot;allying yourself with Irshad Manji, a Muslim heretic and admitted lesbian is the worst thing you can do! You would be wise to distance yourself from her.&quot;

I SAY: Here is another example of religion condemning that which they don't understand. God created us all, straight and gay, black and white, short and tall. Islam, many branches of Christianity, and other religions condemn homosexuality without questioning because someone long ago wrote that it was wrong. God did not write such things; people wrote them in God's name. We should work together against cruelty, poverty, ignorance, selfishness; to help those who are alienated, lonely, fearful, and hopeless. Those are the true ills of the world. God bless Hassan for taking a bold move to see beyond what other humans have said must be the rules. In this he has come closer to God.

[waynesborian]

TOOLMANGLER SAID: &quot;MuslimahAlia. Are you one of these Muslims that gets your nose out of joint when someone makes a 'critical remark' about your revered holy ones?
if so then you are just like the militants. You cannot discuss religion with objectivity. That makes you its (religion) captive not its holder.
Ask the cartoonists in belgium the difference between them. If I were like the others I would say, &quot;Go get your C4 belt and strap it on some babies and yourself then kill some of your fellow believers so we can get on with living.&quot;

I REPLY: This is the kind of angry, dismissive attitude that keeps religions at each other's throats. I believe most religions are too restrictive and require their believers to adhere to tenents that are more political or culturally-based than truly spiritual. They attempt to squeeze God into a human shaped box. However, this kind of angry jumping to conclusions is in no way productive and only keeps us alientated. I have no religion but have a deep faith in the Great God who has created us all and loves us all and desires we show our love for him by showing compassion, understanding, patience, and mercy.

[sageofsages]

Many in the below posts, have challenged me to defend my original post saying America is a great country of freedom and liberty and it is precisely so because its political system is based on Judeo-Christianity.

[sageofsages]

I am not from the US, but what I know of domestic life in America leads me to believe that it is a very free and democratic country. The liberties and opportunities it gives its citizens are in fact a shining example of hope for those in countries where citizens enjoy less civil rights. However, to assert a definite causal link between the Christian religion of the majority and the freedoms and liberties enjoyed by American citizens is not valid. I would argue that it is not the religion of the majority but precisely the SEPARATION of Church and State which led to the ability of Western countries to enjoy the freedoms they do today. This allowed them to veer off their highly intolerant, conquest driven, blood-filled history of religious dogma to a more egalitarian society. Even educated Christians see the need for their religion to be extracted out of the realm of public rule and policy where by necessity for good government it would need to be abandoned. I could argue with you many points so you may open your mind to this possibility but I have neither the time or rapport with you all to combat a lifetime of indoctrinated thoughts. I will hope that the words of your own leader may help illuminate to you the idea that the sanctity of the American political process and the freedoms and liberties it grants you are not because of your religion, but largely in spite of it:

[sageofsages]

Your 35th President of the United States: John F Kennedy


&quot;I believe in an America where the separation of church and state is absolute; where no Catholic prelate would tell the President -- should he be Catholic -- how to act, and no Protestant minister would tell his parishioners for whom to vote; where no church or church school is granted any public funds or political preference, and where no man is denied public office merely because his religion differs from the President who might appoint him, or the people who might elect him.

I believe in an America that is officially neither Catholic, Protestant nor Jewish; where no public official either requests or accept instructions on public policy from the Pope, the National Council of Churches or any other ecclesiastical source; where no religious body seeks to impose its will directly or indirectly upon the general populace or the public acts of its officials, and where religious liberty is so indivisible that an act against one church is treated as an act against all. &quot;

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[sageofsages]

&quot;That is the kind of America in which I believe. And it represents the kind of Presidency in which I believe, a great office that must be neither humbled by making it the instrument of any religious group nor tarnished by arbitrarily withholding it -- its occupancy from the members of any one religious group. I believe in a President whose views on religion are his own private affair, neither imposed upon him by the nation, nor imposed by the nation upon him9 as a condition to holding that office.&quot;

&quot;I ask you tonight to follow in that tradition -- to judge me on the basis of 14 years in the Congress, on my declared stands against an Ambassador to the Vatican, against unconstitutional aid to parochial schools, and against any boycott of the public schools -- which I attended myself. And instead of doing this, do not judge me on the basis of these pamphlets and publications we all have seen that carefully select quotations out of context from the statements of Catholic church leaders, usually in other countries, frequently in other centuries, and rarely relevant to any situation here. And always omitting, of course, the statement of the American Bishops in 1948 which strongly endorsed Church-State separation, and which more nearly reflects the views of almost every American Catholic.&quot;