I keep hearing from these radical muslims that there leaders tell them that there will be 100's of virgins waiting for them in heaven if they become suicide bombers. How dumb can you be? If that is truly the case then what are these leaders waiting for, why dont they go hijack a plane and kill as many women and children as they can and get on up to heaven and have their way with all those virgins. Come on Osama quit talking the talk and starting doing what you encourage others to do.
I read alot of non-truths here. Recomend that you set aside emotions, and verify your information. Accept that people assume that everyone has the same values as they do.
Rember the ols saying "Your acctions speak so loud that I can not here what you are saying".
ne0aes0p SAID: "allying yourself with Irshad Manji, a Muslim heretic and admitted lesbian is the worst thing you can do! You would be wise to distance yourself from her."
I SAY: Here is another example of religion condemning that which they don't understand. God created us all, straight and gay, black and white, short and tall. Islam, many branches of Christianity, and other religions condemn homosexuality without questioning because someone long ago wrote that it was wrong. God did not write such things; people wrote them in God's name. We should work together against cruelty, poverty, ignorance, selfishness; to help those who are alienated, lonely, fearful, and hopeless. Those are the true ills of the world. God bless Hassan for taking a bold move to see beyond what other humans have said must be the rules. In this he has come closer to God.
TOOLMANGLER SAID: "MuslimahAlia. Are you one of these Muslims that gets your nose out of joint when someone makes a 'critical remark' about your revered holy ones? if so then you are just like the militants. You cannot discuss religion with objectivity. That makes you its (religion) captive not its holder. Ask the cartoonists in belgium the difference between them. If I were like the others I would say, "Go get your C4 belt and strap it on some babies and yourself then kill some of your fellow believers so we can get on with living."
I REPLY: This is the kind of angry, dismissive attitude that keeps religions at each other's throats. I believe most religions are too restrictive and require their believers to adhere to tenents that are more political or culturally-based than truly spiritual. They attempt to squeeze God into a human shaped box. However, this kind of angry jumping to conclusions is in no way productive and only keeps us alientated. I have no religion but have a deep faith in the Great God who has created us all and loves us all and desires we show our love for him by showing compassion, understanding, patience, and mercy.
Many in the below posts, have challenged me to defend my original post saying America is a great country of freedom and liberty and it is precisely so because its political system is based on Judeo-Christianity.
I am not from the US, but what I know of domestic life in America leads me to believe that it is a very free and democratic country. The liberties and opportunities it gives its citizens are in fact a shining example of hope for those in countries where citizens enjoy less civil rights. However, to assert a definite causal link between the Christian religion of the majority and the freedoms and liberties enjoyed by American citizens is not valid. I would argue that it is not the religion of the majority but precisely the SEPARATION of Church and State which led to the ability of Western countries to enjoy the freedoms they do today. This allowed them to veer off their highly intolerant, conquest driven, blood-filled history of religious dogma to a more egalitarian society. Even educated Christians see the need for their religion to be extracted out of the realm of public rule and policy where by necessity for good government it would need to be abandoned. I could argue with you many points so you may open your mind to this possibility but I have neither the time or rapport with you all to combat a lifetime of indoctrinated thoughts. I will hope that the words of your own leader may help illuminate to you the idea that the sanctity of the American political process and the freedoms and liberties it grants you are not because of your religion, but largely in spite of it:
Your 35th President of the United States: John F Kennedy
"I believe in an America where the separation of church and state is absolute; where no Catholic prelate would tell the President -- should he be Catholic -- how to act, and no Protestant minister would tell his parishioners for whom to vote; where no church or church school is granted any public funds or political preference, and where no man is denied public office merely because his religion differs from the President who might appoint him, or the people who might elect him.
I believe in an America that is officially neither Catholic, Protestant nor Jewish; where no public official either requests or accept instructions on public policy from the Pope, the National Council of Churches or any other ecclesiastical source; where no religious body seeks to impose its will directly or indirectly upon the general populace or the public acts of its officials, and where religious liberty is so indivisible that an act against one church is treated as an act against all. "
"That is the kind of America in which I believe. And it represents the kind of Presidency in which I believe, a great office that must be neither humbled by making it the instrument of any religious group nor tarnished by arbitrarily withholding it -- its occupancy from the members of any one religious group. I believe in a President whose views on religion are his own private affair, neither imposed upon him by the nation, nor imposed by the nation upon him9 as a condition to holding that office."
"I ask you tonight to follow in that tradition -- to judge me on the basis of 14 years in the Congress, on my declared stands against an Ambassador to the Vatican, against unconstitutional aid to parochial schools, and against any boycott of the public schools -- which I attended myself. And instead of doing this, do not judge me on the basis of these pamphlets and publications we all have seen that carefully select quotations out of context from the statements of Catholic church leaders, usually in other countries, frequently in other centuries, and rarely relevant to any situation here. And always omitting, of course, the statement of the American Bishops in 1948 which strongly endorsed Church-State separation, and which more nearly reflects the views of almost every American Catholic."
"But let me stress again that these are my views - for contrary to common newspaper usage, I am not the Catholic candidate for President. I am the Democratic Party's candidate for President who happens also to be a Catholic. I do not speak for my church on public matters; and the church does not speak for me.
Whatever issue may come before me as President, if I should be elected, on birth control, divorce, censorship, gambling or any other subject, I will make my decision in accordance with these views -- in accordance with what my conscience tells me to be in the national interest, and without regard to outside religious pressure or dictates. And no power or threat of punishment could cause me to decide otherwise.
But if the time should ever come -- and I do not concede any conflict to be remotely possible -- when my office would require me to either violate my conscience or violate the national interest, then I would resign the office; and I hope any conscientious public servant would do the same. "
I'm sorry Hassan's handlers couldn't answer his questions. The London 7/7 bombings were an inside job by Mossad and the British government in an effort to rally the British people against Islam. The four men who died were scapegoats. The bombs were placed under the bus, not with the "supposed" terrorists. These men were scapegoats not terrorists.
Islam does not allow the killing of innocent people. Any Muslim who kills an innocent is not following Islam but his own path.
Hassan, I agree that Muslims should question anything that doesn't sound correct in Islam, but allying yourself with Irshad Manji, a Muslim heretic and admitted lesbian is the worst thing you can do! You would be wise to distance yourself from her.
There is a violent streak in Christianity, Judaism and Islam that can not be denied. All three profess can claim to profess peace, however, all three have militant wings. Christian fascists, Zionist and Jihadist have killed tens of millions in the name of 'God' and 'Peace'. Anyone who claims to be doing 'God's will' but then kills is violating the first, and most important commandment - though shalt not kill - that means under any circumstances. There is much social injustice in this world. Religion must stay out of politics otherwise it becomes evil. The only legitimate role of religion is to promote peace.
My prayers are with Hassan Butt although I think he is a 'dead man walking' I hope he can survive long enough to make a difference. May God protect him..
MuslimahAlia. Are you one of these Muslims that gets your nose out of joint when someone makes a 'critical remark' about your revered holy ones? if so then you are just like the militants. You cannot discuss religion with objectivity. That makes you its (religion) captive not its holder. Ask the cartoonists in belgium the difference between them. If I were like the others I would say, "Go get your C4 belt and strap it on some babies and yourself then kill some of your fellow believers so we can get on with living". But I am not, so do some studying on religious differences then maybe we might have a discussion.
MuslimahAlia, Hassan didn't say you were a terrorist by any means. You should not feel insulted. What he did say was that moderate Muslims should not deny that there is a violent streak in Islam. A streak is not a blanket; it does not cover an entire religion, but it dpes exists and should not be ignored. God bless him for trying to make a difference. I believe he and others who have seen the light of Truth will do so.
Tell me this guy is kidding!!! I am a Muslim woman in the US!
When he's asked: "The position of moderate Muslims is that Islam has nothing to do with terrorism. Do you buy that?"
His Response: "No, absolutely not. By completely being in denial about it's like an alcoholic basically. Unless an alcoholic acknowledges that he has a problem with alcohol, he's never gonna be able to go forward," Butt argues. "And as long as we, as Muslims, do not acknowledge that there is a violent streak in Islam, unless we acknowledge that, then we are gonna always lose the battle to the militants, by being in complete denial about it."
TELL ME YOUR KIDDING!!!
I'm a proud Muslim Woman and follow the Muslim faith and I surely am NOT a terrorist! How insulting!
Tell me this guy is kidding!!! I am a Muslim woman in the US!
When he's asked: "The position of moderate Muslims is that Islam has nothing to do with terrorism. Do you buy that?"
His Response: "No, absolutely not. By completely being in denial about it's like an alcoholic basically. Unless an alcoholic acknowledges that he has a problem with alcohol, he's never gonna be able to go forward," Butt argues. "And as long as we, as Muslims, do not acknowledge that there is a violent streak in Islam, unless we acknowledge that, then we are gonna always lose the battle to the militants, by being in complete denial about it."
TELL ME YOUR KIDDING!!!
I'm a proud Muslim Woman and follow the Muslim faith and I surely am NOT a terrorist! How insulting!
I will certainly agree with Mr Butt, however extremists are a very tiny miniscuality and will sooner or later die out. The way Islam is portrayed in this video is incorrect.
God bless Hassan Butt. He has seen a cancer and is brave enough to talk about it, to speak from a vantage point of experience, repentance, and a new understanding. May his call for re-evaluation kindle a spark in the hearts of Muslims everywhere. May his actions show that there are members of Islam who refuse to be intimidated, reprogrammed, and led into violence. I believe Hassan is now doing God's true work, that of courage and compassion. We should all be so willing to look beyond what we've been taught, to be brave enough to see the Truth beyond the teachings.
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I SAY: Here is another example of religion condemning that which they don't understand. God created us all, straight and gay, black and white, short and tall. Islam, many branches of Christianity, and other religions condemn homosexuality without questioning because someone long ago wrote that it was wrong. God did not write such things; people wrote them in God's name. We should work together against cruelty, poverty, ignorance, selfishness; to help those who are alienated, lonely, fearful, and hopeless. Those are the true ills of the world. God bless Hassan for taking a bold move to see beyond what other humans have said must be the rules. In this he has come closer to God.
if so then you are just like the militants. You cannot discuss religion with objectivity. That makes you its (religion) captive not its holder.
Ask the cartoonists in belgium the difference between them. If I were like the others I would say, "Go get your C4 belt and strap it on some babies and yourself then kill some of your fellow believers so we can get on with living."
I REPLY: This is the kind of angry, dismissive attitude that keeps religions at each other's throats. I believe most religions are too restrictive and require their believers to adhere to tenents that are more political or culturally-based than truly spiritual. They attempt to squeeze God into a human shaped box. However, this kind of angry jumping to conclusions is in no way productive and only keeps us alientated. I have no religion but have a deep faith in the Great God who has created us all and loves us all and desires we show our love for him by showing compassion, understanding, patience, and mercy.
"I believe in an America where the separation of church and state is absolute; where no Catholic prelate would tell the President -- should he be Catholic -- how to act, and no Protestant minister would tell his parishioners for whom to vote; where no church or church school is granted any public funds or political preference, and where no man is denied public office merely because his religion differs from the President who might appoint him, or the people who might elect him.
I believe in an America that is officially neither Catholic, Protestant nor Jewish; where no public official either requests or accept instructions on public policy from the Pope, the National Council of Churches or any other ecclesiastical source; where no religious body seeks to impose its will directly or indirectly upon the general populace or the public acts of its officials, and where religious liberty is so indivisible that an act against one church is treated as an act against all. "
"I ask you tonight to follow in that tradition -- to judge me on the basis of 14 years in the Congress, on my declared stands against an Ambassador to the Vatican, against unconstitutional aid to parochial schools, and against any boycott of the public schools -- which I attended myself. And instead of doing this, do not judge me on the basis of these pamphlets and publications we all have seen that carefully select quotations out of context from the statements of Catholic church leaders, usually in other countries, frequently in other centuries, and rarely relevant to any situation here. And always omitting, of course, the statement of the American Bishops in 1948 which strongly endorsed Church-State separation, and which more nearly reflects the views of almost every American Catholic."
Whatever issue may come before me as President, if I should be elected, on birth control, divorce, censorship, gambling or any other subject, I will make my decision in accordance with these views -- in accordance with what my conscience tells me to be in the national interest, and without regard to outside religious pressure or dictates. And no power or threat of punishment could cause me to decide otherwise.
But if the time should ever come -- and I do not concede any conflict to be remotely possible -- when my office would require me to either violate my conscience or violate the national interest, then I would resign the office; and I hope any conscientious public servant would do the same. "
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Islam does not allow the killing of innocent people. Any Muslim who kills an innocent is not following Islam but his own path.
Hassan, I agree that Muslims should question anything that doesn't sound correct in Islam, but allying yourself with Irshad Manji, a Muslim heretic and admitted lesbian is the worst thing you can do! You would be wise to distance yourself from her.
if so then you are just like the militants. You cannot discuss religion with objectivity. That makes you its (religion) captive not its holder.
Ask the cartoonists in belgium the difference between them. If I were like the others I would say, "Go get your C4 belt and strap it on some babies and yourself then kill some of your fellow believers so we can get on with living". But I am not, so do some studying on religious differences then maybe we might have a discussion.
The only reason I heard about The Network was talk radio.
The only reason I heard about The Network was talk radio.
When he's asked: "The position of moderate Muslims is that Islam has nothing to do with terrorism. Do you buy that?"
His Response: "No, absolutely not. By completely being in denial about it's like an alcoholic basically. Unless an alcoholic acknowledges that he has a problem with alcohol, he's never gonna be able to go forward," Butt argues. "And as long as we, as Muslims, do not acknowledge that there is a violent streak in Islam, unless we acknowledge that, then we are gonna always lose the battle to the militants, by being in complete denial about it."
TELL ME YOUR KIDDING!!!
I'm a proud Muslim Woman and follow the Muslim faith and I surely am NOT a terrorist! How insulting!
When he's asked: "The position of moderate Muslims is that Islam has nothing to do with terrorism. Do you buy that?"
His Response: "No, absolutely not. By completely being in denial about it's like an alcoholic basically. Unless an alcoholic acknowledges that he has a problem with alcohol, he's never gonna be able to go forward," Butt argues. "And as long as we, as Muslims, do not acknowledge that there is a violent streak in Islam, unless we acknowledge that, then we are gonna always lose the battle to the militants, by being in complete denial about it."
TELL ME YOUR KIDDING!!!
I'm a proud Muslim Woman and follow the Muslim faith and I surely am NOT a terrorist! How insulting!
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