I am not a Muslim. And I find the terrorist mission appalling and frightening. I admire Hassan Butt for seeking the truth from within, for speaking out and daring to make our world a better place. He is a courageous individual. Every human being should be so introspective, questioning and courageous.
Given the recent worldwide attacks by Islamic terrorists, why isn't the question "Is Islam evil?" With few exceptions (Turkey, for example), Islamic countries are fascist, autocratic or theocratic, where women are subjugated and minorities persecuted. Islamic countries are rife with poverty and have been for centuries. Polls show that in many Islamic countries a majority of Muslims lionize the man responsible for the atrocities of September 11th and the terrorist gangs who routinely slaughter civilians in Israeli buses and restaurants. In Arab schools and on Arab television, children are taught the glory of becoming suicide bombers. Almost everywhere that Islam borders other cultures, there is violence.
The idea, then, that Islam is evil has far more plausibility than the idea that United States is evil. But merely, raising the question, "Is Islam evil?" provokes an instant, inevitable outcry: "Bigot!" "Racist!" "Zionist!" Indeed, the attempt to suppress debate on this question is so intense that few people in the mainstream will ask it. http://www.liberty-and-culture.com/pages/2/index.htm
THANK YOU, Hussan Butt, for bringing your public message of the ONLY way to end violence in ANY part of the world!!! If we simply teach the children not to hate as their parents do, they will realize the pointlessness of war and the beauty of the world that we should ALL be able to live in & believe in whatever we believe, together. It is the ONLY way. So, I thank you VERY much. Not only for me & my small family/world, but for all of us here on this GREAT planet!
As a scholar of Christian theology, I have come to realize that God has converted adversaries so profoundly that others were convinced that the hand of God had to be upon them%u2026.. particularly for putting so much at risk. Hassan Butt is like such a person! He remains me of such a convert (Saul who later changed his name to Paul) who ended writing most of the Bible's New Testament. Having everything to lose by taking the position that he has is the "ring of truth" that maes him sound creditable.
Simon may have just interviewed what could be a significant person in the history of Islam. Simon should consider it an honor to sit and sip coffee with such a noble man. The passage in the bible's Book of Acts (9:19-31) remains me of what Butt represents to the Islamic faith. God's conversion of Saul resulted in a time of peace and spiritual growth was the result.
"31 Then the church throughout Judea, Galilee and Samaria enjoyed a time of peace. It was strengthened; and encouraged by the Holy Spirit, it grew in numbers, living in the fear of the Lord."
"The idea, then, that Islam is evil has far more plausibility than the idea that United States is evil."
Islam is a religion. The United States is a country with a population made up of many different religions including Muslims. They are not comparable.
So as you wish let us compare religions one to another. Evil will be reflected in the amount of suffering, murder,and pillage they have inflicted on the world through their followers. If this be the criteria it is only the non-proselytizing religions which can claim a relatively peaceful history. These most notably include the religions of the far east including Hinduism, Bhudhism, and Jainism. They do not have a significant history of conquest and violence has been largely limited to invaders of their land or foreign rulers. The proselytizing religions based on the conversion of others (often by force and coercion), most notably Christianity and Islam have horrifically bloody histories. The sum of the suffering in history would be greatly reduced without the deeds of the followers both Christianity and Islam.
"The idea, then, that Islam is evil has far more plausibility than the idea that United States is evil."
Islam is a religion. The United States is a country with a population made up of many different religions including Muslims. They are not comparable.
So as you wish let us compare religions one to another. Evil will be reflected in the amount of suffering, murder,and pillage they have inflicted on the world through their followers. If this be the criteria it is only the non-proselytizing religions which can claim a relatively peaceful history. These most notably include the religions of the far east including Hinduism, Bhudhism, and Jainism. They do not have a significant history of conquest and violence has been largely limited to invaders of their land or foreign rulers. The proselytizing religions based on the conversion of others (often by force and coercion), most notably Christianity and Islam have horrifically bloody histories. The sum of the suffering in history would be greatly reduced without the deeds of the followers both Christianity and Islam.
So objectively you would have to conclude these religions to be seemingly more evil than other religions or atleast admit that they somehow seem to lead to a greater number of their followers commiting evil acts than other religions. Why this is the case and whether this line of rational is credible or not is in need of further study. However the association is remarkable. Whether this line of thinking can lead to anything useful or not is another question altogether. However, to single one religion out as evil is not fair considering the history of others.
Islamic worldview and the reason why it becomes a calamity in the 21st century
The Islamic world view of converting the entire human species to Islam at the pain of death is not something novel. It has existed for 1400 years since this cult of death and destruction was founded by Mohammed-ibn-abdallah, the nefarious bandit and murderer in the 7th century in Mecca. What makes this world view a calamity is the fact that Muslim have started acquiring WMD capability off late. While all these centuries, they could carry on with their murder and mayhem only with swords from the 7th century up to the 16th century. So they could be defeated by those who could wield swords better and more so by those who in addition to this managed to recognize the mortal threat to all non-Islamic civilizations that Muslims represented. There have not been very many on this planet who could see through the murderous message of the Quran, that the Muslims robotically believe is the message from some god, to be divinely followed by placing their swords on the necks of all their defeated victims and giving them the choice Islam or death.
After years of lies by various imams and lay spokespeople such as Karen Armstrong, who want us to believe Islam is not violent, at last someone speaks the truth. The question now is whether this perverse religion can be liberalized as Christianity and Judaism have been and welcomed into the western community of deplorable, but for all that tolerable superstitions. Christianity and Judaism have been every bit as as nasty as Islam in times past, and Judaism in the occupied part of Palestine still is. Will the spiritual genius of the west civilize this cult as it has so many others? Let us hope.
I thought the story was great. He really has a passion about what he is doing now. he is right to stop terrorism you need to infect it like a cancer. if you can just "infect" one or two people then the do the same, it spreads. War will sslow it down but his ideas could very well put a stop to it. he was a very articlate young man, knowlegable about what is going on, If we used his ideas he could very well help do somthing that nobody has been able to put a stop to for thousands of years. Good luck Mr. butt on your quest I pray that it works.
Hopefully, this is an indication the radical and non-radical Muslim community is beginning to see, recognize and question the way they are being led down such a destructive path for themselves and the rest of the world, to make them want to be true peaceful Muslims, which is who the Muslim religion professes itself to be.
Embracing our differences, religious and otherwise, only makes us a more whole world. We did not get to this place in time as a single religion or community. There has been violence in religion since almost the beginning of time, but hopefully we are learning there is a better way for all religions. Unfortunately, I am afraid that until Muslim females are not treated as property and without consideration, and Muslim parents do not allow violence and hate to be taught to their children, the violence will continue.
I am a Christian who grew up in a small town where everyone went to one of three churches in town. Even as a child, other religions were always of interest to me, maybe because I have friends of many religions and have strived to learn about other religions in order to try to understand their beliefs and embrace their religion with them, all the while making me more strong in mine.
Understanding different religions also helps us to better understand history, as religion is a major part of our past, present and future.
(continued from above) The Muslim religion is supposed to be a religion of peace and I am sure they would have more followers if more Muslims spoke up for peace and against violence. I do not understand Muslim believers not standing up proudly and shouting they are Muslim, peace loving, setting an example of peace for the rest of their community, condemning the radicals, shaming the ones who believe this way, and showing them the true Muslim path of peace.
Hassan Butt finally opened his eyes to what was actually happening to his religion, started to question where the Muslim religion was being led, and stood up even in the face of danger to make a stand for the betterment of his people and his religion. I, for one, am proud of Hassan Butt for making the decision to do the right thing. I believe this is the sign of a true leader - to stand in the face of adversity and do the right thing.
"YUSUFALI: But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, an seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful. PICKTHAL: Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush. But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then leave their way free. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful. SHAKIR: So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them; surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful."
- The Qu'ran: chapter 9; AL-TAWBA (REPENTANCE, DISPENSATION)
Christianity says you should repent, or you'll go to h ell, but we don't compel you. You're free to choose. The thing is, you can't criticize christians for saying if you don't believe, you'll go to hell: atheists say no matter what you're meat for the worms, and there is nothing you can do about it-at least we offer hope.
Re: "Again you are right, they are FREE to choose, but unfortunately some of the people on these boards have been corrupted and think Christians "force" them into conversion, or else, which is the FURTHEST from the truth."
-Posted by singinrick
I know it's sad. For the longest time, even those who were nonreligious said that Christianity was the best that religion, and morality could offer, but now people have corrupted its image. They say we force them to become Christians. We try are hardest, but we don't force. Now granted, the Catholic Church did some horrific things, but THAT WAS THE CATHOLIC CHURCH.
We can only witness, and hope to show them that Christianity is a religion of peace, but they never believe us. However, we should never quit.
the london bombings were an inside job, just like most state sponsored terrorism, throughout history terror has been perpetrated by those who hide under the guise of officialdom to serve the goals of a few elitists... Go watch the Alex Jones movie "Terrorstorm" for free at video.google.com where he documents what really happened during the london bombings. I'm a Christian and I'm calling our government and the UK government on their deceit and deception.
Those of us that know the bible know that the false light of lucifer is the god of the air, which also to me says he's the god of the airwaves... the god of deception, the god of deceit, do they have you under that "strong delusion" that the bible speaks of?
The issue is whether the Western media, most obviously that of the United States, can be manipulated in order to bring about a military deplyment; and if so how this can be done. - MANIPULATING THE MEDIA - Stephen Badsey British Ministry Of Defence
"The true enemy in perception warfare will be your own mind. The perception management team will try in every way to create a vision for the observer that suits its goals. It is in your own mind that the actual picture of the situation is created."
Joint Doctrine states that "The fact deception was used on an operation should be protected, both to allow the use of the same deception techniques and tactics in later operations and to protect sensitive deception methods."
Covert Operation - An operation that is so planned and executed as to conceal the identity of or permit plausible denial by the sponsor. Emphasis is plased on concealment of identity of the the sponsor rather than concealment of the operation. (JP 3-05.1)
It could be of interest to tally the number of people who were killed, and did the killing, in the name of Christianity, then to tally those killed in the name of Islam. I believe Christianity would come out ahead.
Getting back to this recruiter story; The best-known mujahideen were the various loosely-aligned Afghan opposition groups that fought against the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan during the 1980s and then fought against each other in the subsequent Afghan Civil War.
The mujahideen were significantly financed, armed, and trained by the United States Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) during the Carter and Reagan administrations, along with several European countries.
Ronald Reagan praised them as freedom fighters, and they were even depicted as heros in "Rambo".
So, who created a major part of today's terrorists (not to be confused with Palestinian freedom-fighters who were created solely by israel) ??
Our government, the original recruiter.
Those quick to denounce an entire religion should first get out of the Glass House.
Karlimhof, do you think the CIA does their work by "christian principals"? Have you ever heard of one of the militarys top mind control experts, Michael Aquino commander of the 6th army? Go look his name up on any search engine and let me know what religion he is... Fact is we don't live in a Christian country, and we don't have Christian leaders, we have false prophets that come in Gods name only to defile it. Yes some brainwashed Christians who are really just pew sitters at best get fooled by these people, and support them because they have been deceived.
Karlimhof, do you think the CIA does their work by "christian principals"?
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not at all - i was rebutting those who wish to have us believe that Islam produced the terrorists.
we have produced them ourselves - trained them, financed them, sent them of to Afghanistan in the '80 to fight the Soviets. Then we just dropped our little frankensteins and moved on - let Afghanistan return to chaos and war, allowed the Taliban to form. Allowed the Palestinian problem to fester and spread throughout the moslem world. Invaded unjustly a moslem country, killing hundreds of thousands, exiling millions, etc, etc.
Now our past sins have come back to haunt us - our little frankensteins have come home.
there is no peace with fascist nazi islam%u2026.. there never has been in it%u2019s 1400 year existence%u2026
dnc are like john adams and want to give the jihadist their lunch money hoping they will leave us alone....
gop are like thomas jefferson and want to spend their lunch money on weapons and go kick the jihadists in their arses.....
What Thomas Jefferson learned from the Muslim book of jihad
Thomas Jefferson knew about fascist nazi islam..... he killed plenty of them....
In 1786 Jefferson and John Adams went to negotiate with Tripoli's envoy to London, Ambassador Sidi Haji Abdrahaman or (Sidi Haji Abdul Rahman Adja). They asked him by what right he extorted money and took slaves. Jefferson reported to Secretary of State John Jay, and to the Congress:
The ambassador answered us that [the right] was founded on the Laws of the Prophet (Mohammed), that it was written in their Koran, that all nations who should not have answered their authority were sinners, that it was their right and duty to make war upon them wherever they could be found, and to make slaves of all they could take as prisoners, and that every Mussulman who should be slain in battle was sure to go to heaven.[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Barbary_War http://www.usvetdsp.com/jan07/jeff_quran.htm http://www.khouse.org/articles/2007/691/ http://www.earlyamerica.com/review/2002_winter_spring/terrorism.htm
It could be of interest to tally the number of people who were killed, and did the killing, in the name of Christianity, then to tally those killed in the name of Islam. I believe Christianity would come out ahead.
Getting back to this recruiter story; The best-known mujahideen were the various loosely-aligned Afghan opposition groups that fought against the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan during the 1980s and then fought against each other in the subsequent Afghan Civil War.
The mujahideen were significantly financed, armed, and trained by the United States Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) during the Carter and Reagan administrations, along with several European countries.
Ronald Reagan praised them as freedom fighters, and they were even depicted as heros in "Rambo".
So, who created a major part of today's terrorists (not to be confused with Palestinian freedom-fighters who were created solely by israel) ??
Our government, the original recruiter.
Those quick to denounce an entire religion should first get out of the Glass House.
the war that fascist nazi Islamic muslims started and continues on yet today%u2026%u2026
The Truth about Islamic Crusades and Imperialism Historical facts say that Islam has been imperialistic%u2014and would still like to be, if only for religious reasons. Many Muslim clerics, scholars, and activists, for example, would like to impose Islamic law around the world. Historical facts say that Islam, including Muhammad, launched their own Crusades against Christianity long before the European Crusades.
Re: "if only your parents had known about condoms, before they launched, we'd be spared your repetitive and asinine commentaries without substance."
-posted by karlimhof
You've lost. If that's your argument than it's simple, and plain proof that you're an idiot, and have lost the argument. And as far as I can tell you're the only person here who actually copied your previous comment.
SageOfSages has made a pertinent observation in the harmlessness of Oriental faiths in contrast to that of the proselytising religions. The differences between the two classes of religions should be obvious. a. The former believe in plurality of faiths, opinions & in one divinity pervading multiple icons of worship. b. Historically for millennia the former believed in verbal argument to convert the non-believer into a believer & never by the blade of a sword or a burning stake. c. One concept pervading these religions is "Vasudaiva Kutumbam" - the whole world is one family & yet everybody has their own means of attaining salvation. d. The amount of scriptural literature available in these religions is monumental & diverse compared to what goes as religious literature in I or C, which force the one-book, one God notion. e. Faith in the former comes out of love for God & sacrifice of one's ego rather than out of an abject fear of God & trepidation from the Day of Judgement. No wonder that the former believe in reincarnation - giving infinite scope for human beings to evolve in character over time.
These are some points to ponder especially when we know that entire civlizations have been wiped out in history due to I & C crusades just because the former did not share the same enthusiasm in the ideas of the crusader.
Hence, can the violence in these religions be due to their narrow & blind faith in their POVs? One must see if the scriptures permit such violent interpretations.
SageOfSages has made a pertinent observation in the harmlessness of Oriental faiths in contrast to that of the proselytising religions. The differences between the two classes of religions should be obvious. a. The former believe in plurality of faiths, opinions & in one divinity pervading multiple icons of worship. b. Historically for millennia the former believed in verbal argument to convert the non-believer into a believer & never by the blade of a sword or a burning stake. c. One concept pervading these religions is "Vasudaiva Kutumbam" - the whole world is one family & yet everybody has their own means of attaining salvation. d. The amount of scriptural literature available in these religions is monumental & diverse compared to what goes as religious literature in I or C, which force the one-book, one God notion. e. Faith in the former comes out of love for God & sacrifice of one's ego rather than out of an abject fear of God & trepidation from the Day of Judgement. No wonder that the former believe in reincarnation - giving infinite scope for human beings to evolve in character over time.
These are some points to ponder especially when we know that entire civlizations have been wiped out in history due to I & C crusades just because the former did not share the same enthusiasm in the ideas of the crusader.
Hence, can the violence in these religions be due to their narrow & blind faith in their POVs? One must see if the scriptures permit such violent interpretations.
Re: "It could be of interest to tally the number of people who were killed, and did the killing, in the name of Christianity, then to tally those killed in the name of Islam. I believe Christianity would come out ahead."
You believe, or you know? Because if you don't know, than that comment is worthless. Maybe Christianity would come out top, but the fact remains that there is nothing in the Bible that advocates killing in the name of God. It tells you to try, and witness several times, and then quit, and never try again: you no longer have an obligation. The fact remains that the Christians were persecuted for the first 300 years of their existence. The fact remains that the Moslems invaded Europe, not once, but several times: the first time being when Europe had hardly heard the name "Islam". The Crusades were formed as a result of the Moslems persecuting Christians in the holy land. The Inquisition was formed as a tool to weed out traitors who had collaborated with the Moors in Spain. It was later used as at tool against Protestants. The Pogroms were similar to what the inquisition was, but used in Orthodox countries. Finally, I'll have you know that what the Catholic Church did is what the Catholic Church did, but Protestants, Baptists, Methodists, and Presbyterians are innocent.
Islamic worldview and the reason why it becomes a calamity in the 21st century
The Islamic world view of converting the entire human species to Islam at the pain of death is not something novel. It has existed for 1400 years since this cult of death and destruction was founded by Mohammed-ibn-abdallah, the nefarious bandit and murderer in the 7th century in Mecca. What makes this world view a calamity is the fact that Muslim have started acquiring WMD capability off late. While all these centuries, they could carry on with their murder and mayhem only with swords from the 7th century up to the 16th century. So they could be defeated by those who could wield swords better and more so by those who in addition to this managed to recognize the mortal threat to all non-Islamic civilizations that Muslims represented. There have not been very many on this planet who could see through the murderous message of the Quran, that the Muslims robotically believe is the message from some god, to be divinely followed by placing their swords on the necks of all their defeated victims and giving them the choice Islam or death.
If we would have used a fraction of the tax payer money wasted being "legally" channeled through Bechtel and Haliburton to pump oil and rebuild Iraq on fighting terrorism, there would be no more terrorists. George Bush makes Al Capone look like some punk that held up a 7Eleven.
CAN'T YOU READ? IT IS CLEAR THAT ISLAM CAUSES TERRORISM!!!
HASSAN EXPOSES THE MYTH OF MODERATE ISLAM
The Network
Hassan Butt Tells Bob Simon Killing In The Name Of Islam Is A "Cancer"
"The position of moderate Muslims is that Islam has nothing to do with terrorism. Do you buy that?" Simon asks.
"No, absolutely not. By completely being in denial about it's like an alcoholic basically. Unless an alcoholic acknowledges that he has a problem with alcohol, he's never gonna be able to go forward," Butt argues. "And as long as we, as Muslims, do not acknowledge that there is a violent streak in Islam, unless we acknowledge that, then we are gonna always lose the battle to the militants, by being in complete denial about it." http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/03/2 3/60minutes/main2602308_page3.shtml
CBS should release the interview for free so that the message can go out as far as possible. It would be a patriotic thing to do [like the call of Paul Revere].
CBS should release the interview for free so that the message can go out as far as possible. It would be a patriotic thing to do [like the call of Paul Revere].
CBS should release the interview for free so that the message can go out as far as possible. It would be a patriotic thing to do [like the call of Paul Revere].
God bless Hassan Butt. He has seen a cancer and is brave enough to talk about it, to speak from a vantage point of experience, repentance, and a new understanding. May his call for re-evaluation kindle a spark in the hearts of Muslims everywhere. May his actions show that there are members of Islam who refuse to be intimidated, reprogrammed, and led into violence. I believe Hassan is now doing God's true work, that of courage and compassion. We should all be so willing to look beyond what we've been taught, to be brave enough to see the Truth beyond the teachings.
I will certainly agree with Mr Butt, however extremists are a very tiny miniscuality and will sooner or later die out. The way Islam is portrayed in this video is incorrect.
Tell me this guy is kidding!!! I am a Muslim woman in the US!
When he's asked: "The position of moderate Muslims is that Islam has nothing to do with terrorism. Do you buy that?"
His Response: "No, absolutely not. By completely being in denial about it's like an alcoholic basically. Unless an alcoholic acknowledges that he has a problem with alcohol, he's never gonna be able to go forward," Butt argues. "And as long as we, as Muslims, do not acknowledge that there is a violent streak in Islam, unless we acknowledge that, then we are gonna always lose the battle to the militants, by being in complete denial about it."
TELL ME YOUR KIDDING!!!
I'm a proud Muslim Woman and follow the Muslim faith and I surely am NOT a terrorist! How insulting!
Tell me this guy is kidding!!! I am a Muslim woman in the US!
When he's asked: "The position of moderate Muslims is that Islam has nothing to do with terrorism. Do you buy that?"
His Response: "No, absolutely not. By completely being in denial about it's like an alcoholic basically. Unless an alcoholic acknowledges that he has a problem with alcohol, he's never gonna be able to go forward," Butt argues. "And as long as we, as Muslims, do not acknowledge that there is a violent streak in Islam, unless we acknowledge that, then we are gonna always lose the battle to the militants, by being in complete denial about it."
TELL ME YOUR KIDDING!!!
I'm a proud Muslim Woman and follow the Muslim faith and I surely am NOT a terrorist! How insulting!
MuslimahAlia, Hassan didn't say you were a terrorist by any means. You should not feel insulted. What he did say was that moderate Muslims should not deny that there is a violent streak in Islam. A streak is not a blanket; it does not cover an entire religion, but it dpes exists and should not be ignored. God bless him for trying to make a difference. I believe he and others who have seen the light of Truth will do so.
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See all 64 CommentsGiven the recent worldwide attacks by Islamic terrorists, why isn't the question "Is Islam evil?" With few exceptions (Turkey, for example), Islamic countries are fascist, autocratic or theocratic, where women are subjugated and minorities persecuted. Islamic countries are rife with poverty and have been for centuries. Polls show that in many Islamic countries a majority of Muslims lionize the man responsible for the atrocities of September 11th and the terrorist gangs who routinely slaughter civilians in Israeli buses and restaurants. In Arab schools and on Arab television, children are taught the glory of becoming suicide bombers. Almost everywhere that Islam borders other cultures, there is violence.
The idea, then, that Islam is evil has far more plausibility than the idea that United States is evil. But merely, raising the question, "Is Islam evil?" provokes an instant, inevitable outcry: "Bigot!" "Racist!" "Zionist!" Indeed, the attempt to suppress debate on this question is so intense that few people in the mainstream will ask it.
http://www.liberty-and-culture.com/pages/2/index.htm
If we simply teach the children not to hate as their parents do, they will realize the pointlessness of war and the beauty of the world that we should ALL be able to live in & believe in whatever we believe, together. It is the ONLY way.
So, I thank you VERY much. Not only for me & my small family/world, but for all of us here on this GREAT planet!
Simon may have just interviewed what could be a significant person in the history of Islam. Simon should consider it an honor to sit and sip coffee with such a noble man. The passage in the bible's Book of Acts (9:19-31) remains me of what Butt represents to the Islamic faith. God's conversion of Saul resulted in a time of peace and spiritual growth was the result.
"31 Then the church throughout Judea, Galilee and Samaria enjoyed a time of peace. It was strengthened; and encouraged by the Holy Spirit, it grew in numbers, living in the fear of the Lord."
Islam is a religion. The United States is a country with a population made up of many different religions including Muslims. They are not comparable.
So as you wish let us compare religions one to another. Evil will be reflected in the amount of suffering, murder,and pillage they have inflicted on the world through their followers. If this be the criteria it is only the non-proselytizing religions which can claim a relatively peaceful history. These most notably include the religions of the far east including Hinduism, Bhudhism, and Jainism. They do not have a significant history of conquest and violence has been largely limited to invaders of their land or foreign rulers. The proselytizing religions based on the conversion of others (often by force and coercion), most notably Christianity and Islam have horrifically bloody histories. The sum of the suffering in history would be greatly reduced without the deeds of the followers both Christianity and Islam.
Islam is a religion. The United States is a country with a population made up of many different religions including Muslims. They are not comparable.
So as you wish let us compare religions one to another. Evil will be reflected in the amount of suffering, murder,and pillage they have inflicted on the world through their followers. If this be the criteria it is only the non-proselytizing religions which can claim a relatively peaceful history. These most notably include the religions of the far east including Hinduism, Bhudhism, and Jainism. They do not have a significant history of conquest and violence has been largely limited to invaders of their land or foreign rulers. The proselytizing religions based on the conversion of others (often by force and coercion), most notably Christianity and Islam have horrifically bloody histories. The sum of the suffering in history would be greatly reduced without the deeds of the followers both Christianity and Islam.
So objectively you would have to conclude these religions to be seemingly more evil than other religions or atleast admit that they somehow seem to lead to a greater number of their followers commiting evil acts than other religions. Why this is the case and whether this line of rational is credible or not is in need of further study. However the association is remarkable. Whether this line of thinking can lead to anything useful or not is another question altogether. However, to single one religion out as evil is not fair considering the history of others.
How many did this man kill? Where? When?
Nonsense and propaganda aimed at scaring people.
Islamic worldview and the reason why it becomes a calamity in the 21st century
The Islamic world view of converting the entire human species to Islam at the pain of death is not something novel. It has existed for 1400 years since this cult of death and destruction was founded by Mohammed-ibn-abdallah, the nefarious bandit and murderer in the 7th century in Mecca. What makes this world view a calamity is the fact that Muslim have started acquiring WMD capability off late. While all these centuries, they could carry on with their murder and mayhem only with swords from the 7th century up to the 16th century. So they could be defeated by those who could wield swords better and more so by those who in addition to this managed to recognize the mortal threat to all non-Islamic civilizations that Muslims represented. There have not been very many on this planet who could see through the murderous message of the Quran, that the Muslims robotically believe is the message from some god, to be divinely followed by placing their swords on the necks of all their defeated victims and giving them the choice Islam or death.
http://www.historyofjihad.org/globaljihad.html
http://www.historyofjihad.com/sitemap.html
Embracing our differences, religious and otherwise, only makes us a more whole world. We did not get to this place in time as a single religion or community. There has been violence in religion since almost the beginning of time, but hopefully we are learning there is a better way for all religions. Unfortunately, I am afraid that until Muslim females are not treated as property and without consideration, and Muslim parents do not allow violence and hate to be taught to their children, the violence will continue.
I am a Christian who grew up in a small town where everyone went to one of three churches in town. Even as a child, other religions were always of interest to me, maybe because I have friends of many religions and have strived to learn about other religions in order to try to understand their beliefs and embrace their religion with them, all the while making me more strong in mine.
Understanding different religions also helps us to better understand history, as religion is a major part of our past, present and future.
The Muslim religion is supposed to be a religion of peace and I am sure they would have more followers if more Muslims spoke up for peace and against violence. I do not understand Muslim believers not standing up proudly and shouting they are Muslim, peace loving, setting an example of peace for the rest of their community, condemning the radicals, shaming the ones who believe this way, and showing them the true Muslim path of peace.
Hassan Butt finally opened his eyes to what was actually happening to his religion, started to question where the Muslim religion was being led, and stood up even in the face of danger to make a stand for the betterment of his people and his religion. I, for one, am proud of Hassan Butt for making the decision to do the right thing. I believe this is the sign of a true leader - to stand in the face of adversity and do the right thing.
PICKTHAL: Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush. But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then leave their way free. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.
SHAKIR: So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them; surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful."
- The Qu'ran: chapter 9; AL-TAWBA (REPENTANCE, DISPENSATION)
Christianity says you should repent, or you'll go to h ell, but we don't compel you. You're free to choose. The thing is, you can't criticize christians for saying if you don't believe, you'll go to hell: atheists say no matter what you're meat for the worms, and there is nothing you can do about it-at least we offer hope.
-Posted by singinrick
I know it's sad. For the longest time, even those who were nonreligious said that Christianity was the best that religion, and morality could offer, but now people have corrupted its image. They say we force them to become Christians. We try are hardest, but we don't force. Now granted, the Catholic Church did some horrific things, but THAT WAS THE CATHOLIC CHURCH.
We can only witness, and hope to show them that Christianity is a religion of peace, but they never believe us. However, we should never quit.
The issue is whether the Western media, most obviously that of the United States, can be manipulated in order to bring about a military deplyment; and if so how this can be done. - MANIPULATING THE MEDIA - Stephen Badsey British Ministry Of Defence
"The true enemy in perception warfare will be your own mind. The perception management team will try in every way to create a vision for the observer that suits its goals. It is in your own mind that the actual picture of the situation is created."
Joint Doctrine states that "The fact deception was used on an operation should be protected, both to allow the use of the same deception techniques and tactics in later operations and to protect sensitive deception methods."
Covert Operation - An operation that is so planned and executed as to conceal the identity of or permit plausible denial by the sponsor. Emphasis is plased on concealment of identity of the the sponsor rather than concealment of the operation. (JP 3-05.1)
Getting back to this recruiter story; The best-known mujahideen were the various loosely-aligned Afghan opposition groups that fought against the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan during the 1980s and then fought against each other in the subsequent Afghan Civil War.
The mujahideen were significantly financed, armed, and trained by the United States Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) during the Carter and Reagan administrations, along with several European countries.
Ronald Reagan praised them as freedom fighters, and they were even depicted as heros in "Rambo".
So, who created a major part of today's terrorists (not to be confused with Palestinian freedom-fighters who were created solely by israel) ??
Our government, the original recruiter.
Those quick to denounce an entire religion should first get out of the Glass House.
Posted by truthword
not at all - i was rebutting those who wish to have us believe that Islam produced the terrorists.
we have produced them ourselves - trained them, financed them, sent them of to Afghanistan in the '80 to fight the Soviets. Then we just dropped our little frankensteins and moved on - let Afghanistan return to chaos and war, allowed the Taliban to form. Allowed the Palestinian problem to fester and spread throughout the moslem world. Invaded unjustly a moslem country, killing hundreds of thousands, exiling millions, etc, etc.
Now our past sins have come back to haunt us - our little frankensteins have come home.
dnc are like john adams and want to give the jihadist their lunch money hoping they will leave us alone....
gop are like thomas jefferson and want to spend their lunch money on weapons and go kick the jihadists in their arses.....
What Thomas Jefferson learned from the Muslim book of jihad
Thomas Jefferson knew about fascist nazi islam..... he killed plenty of them....
In 1786 Jefferson and John Adams went to negotiate with Tripoli's envoy to London, Ambassador Sidi Haji Abdrahaman or (Sidi Haji Abdul Rahman Adja). They asked him by what right he extorted money and took slaves. Jefferson reported to Secretary of State John Jay, and to the Congress:
The ambassador answered us that [the right] was founded on the Laws of the Prophet (Mohammed), that it was written in their Koran, that all nations who should not have answered their authority were sinners, that it was their right and duty to make war upon them wherever they could be found, and to make slaves of all they could take as prisoners, and that every Mussulman who should be slain in battle was sure to go to heaven.[1]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Barbary_War
http://www.usvetdsp.com/jan07/jeff_quran.htm
http://www.khouse.org/articles/2007/691/
http://www.earlyamerica.com/review/2002_winter_spring/terrorism.htm
Getting back to this recruiter story; The best-known mujahideen were the various loosely-aligned Afghan opposition groups that fought against the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan during the 1980s and then fought against each other in the subsequent Afghan Civil War.
The mujahideen were significantly financed, armed, and trained by the United States Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) during the Carter and Reagan administrations, along with several European countries.
Ronald Reagan praised them as freedom fighters, and they were even depicted as heros in "Rambo".
So, who created a major part of today's terrorists (not to be confused with Palestinian freedom-fighters who were created solely by israel) ??
Our government, the original recruiter.
Those quick to denounce an entire religion should first get out of the Glass House.
The Truth about Islamic Crusades and Imperialism
Historical facts say that Islam has been imperialistic%u2014and would still like to be, if only for religious reasons. Many Muslim clerics, scholars, and activists, for example, would like to impose Islamic law around the world. Historical facts say that Islam, including Muhammad, launched their own Crusades against Christianity long before the European Crusades.
http://www.americanthinker.com/2005/11/the_truth_about_islamic_crusad.html
http://www.americanthinker.com/2004/08/the_muslim_crusades.html
Posted by lars008 at 04:52 AM : Mar 26, 2007
if only your parents had known about condoms, before they launched, we'd be spared your repetitive and asinine commentaries without substance.
who murdered muhammad murdered haji?
how many of GOD's commandments did muhammad break?
Posted by lars008
i don't know lars - not any of my commandments but you sure are breaking my b a l l s.....
-posted by karlimhof
You've lost. If that's your argument than it's simple, and plain proof that you're an idiot, and have lost the argument. And as far as I can tell you're the only person here who actually copied your previous comment.
a. The former believe in plurality of faiths, opinions & in one divinity pervading multiple icons of worship.
b. Historically for millennia the former believed in verbal argument to convert the non-believer into a believer & never by the blade of a sword or a burning stake.
c. One concept pervading these religions is "Vasudaiva Kutumbam" - the whole world is one family & yet everybody has their own means of attaining salvation.
d. The amount of scriptural literature available in these religions is monumental & diverse compared to what goes as religious literature in I or C, which force the one-book, one God notion.
e. Faith in the former comes out of love for God & sacrifice of one's ego rather than out of an abject fear of God & trepidation from the Day of Judgement. No wonder that the former believe in reincarnation - giving infinite scope for human beings to evolve in character over time.
These are some points to ponder especially when we know that entire civlizations have been wiped out in history due to I & C crusades just because the former did not share the same enthusiasm in the ideas of the crusader.
Hence, can the violence in these religions be due to their narrow & blind faith in their POVs? One must see if the scriptures permit such violent interpretations.
a. The former believe in plurality of faiths, opinions & in one divinity pervading multiple icons of worship.
b. Historically for millennia the former believed in verbal argument to convert the non-believer into a believer & never by the blade of a sword or a burning stake.
c. One concept pervading these religions is "Vasudaiva Kutumbam" - the whole world is one family & yet everybody has their own means of attaining salvation.
d. The amount of scriptural literature available in these religions is monumental & diverse compared to what goes as religious literature in I or C, which force the one-book, one God notion.
e. Faith in the former comes out of love for God & sacrifice of one's ego rather than out of an abject fear of God & trepidation from the Day of Judgement. No wonder that the former believe in reincarnation - giving infinite scope for human beings to evolve in character over time.
These are some points to ponder especially when we know that entire civlizations have been wiped out in history due to I & C crusades just because the former did not share the same enthusiasm in the ideas of the crusader.
Hence, can the violence in these religions be due to their narrow & blind faith in their POVs? One must see if the scriptures permit such violent interpretations.
You believe, or you know? Because if you don't know, than that comment is worthless. Maybe Christianity would come out top, but the fact remains that there is nothing in the Bible that advocates killing in the name of God. It tells you to try, and witness several times, and then quit, and never try again: you no longer have an obligation. The fact remains that the Christians were persecuted for the first 300 years of their existence. The fact remains that the Moslems invaded Europe, not once, but several times: the first time being when Europe had hardly heard the name "Islam". The Crusades were formed as a result of the Moslems persecuting Christians in the holy land. The Inquisition was formed as a tool to weed out traitors who had collaborated with the Moors in Spain. It was later used as at tool against Protestants. The Pogroms were similar to what the inquisition was, but used in Orthodox countries. Finally, I'll have you know that what the Catholic Church did is what the Catholic Church did, but Protestants, Baptists, Methodists, and Presbyterians are innocent.
Islamic worldview and the reason why it becomes a calamity in the 21st century
The Islamic world view of converting the entire human species to Islam at the pain of death is not something novel. It has existed for 1400 years since this cult of death and destruction was founded by Mohammed-ibn-abdallah, the nefarious bandit and murderer in the 7th century in Mecca. What makes this world view a calamity is the fact that Muslim have started acquiring WMD capability off late. While all these centuries, they could carry on with their murder and mayhem only with swords from the 7th century up to the 16th century. So they could be defeated by those who could wield swords better and more so by those who in addition to this managed to recognize the mortal threat to all non-Islamic civilizations that Muslims represented. There have not been very many on this planet who could see through the murderous message of the Quran, that the Muslims robotically believe is the message from some god, to be divinely followed by placing their swords on the necks of all their defeated victims and giving them the choice Islam or death.
http://www.historyofjihad.org/globaljihad.html
http://www.historyofjihad.com/sitemap.html
What does that have to do with the price of tea in China? You people are truly psycotic:
Waiter: May I take your order?
psycho liberal customer: You know Bush is illegally pumping oil in Iraq, and is the cause of terrorism!
HASSAN EXPOSES THE MYTH OF MODERATE ISLAM
The Network
Hassan Butt Tells Bob Simon Killing In The Name Of Islam Is A "Cancer"
"The position of moderate Muslims is that Islam has nothing to do with terrorism. Do you buy that?" Simon asks.
"No, absolutely not. By completely being in denial about it's like an alcoholic basically. Unless an alcoholic acknowledges that he has a problem with alcohol, he's never gonna be able to go forward," Butt argues. "And as long as we, as Muslims, do not acknowledge that there is a violent streak in Islam, unless we acknowledge that, then we are gonna always lose the battle to the militants, by being in complete denial about it."
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/03/2
3/60minutes/main2602308_page3.shtml
When he's asked: "The position of moderate Muslims is that Islam has nothing to do with terrorism. Do you buy that?"
His Response: "No, absolutely not. By completely being in denial about it's like an alcoholic basically. Unless an alcoholic acknowledges that he has a problem with alcohol, he's never gonna be able to go forward," Butt argues. "And as long as we, as Muslims, do not acknowledge that there is a violent streak in Islam, unless we acknowledge that, then we are gonna always lose the battle to the militants, by being in complete denial about it."
TELL ME YOUR KIDDING!!!
I'm a proud Muslim Woman and follow the Muslim faith and I surely am NOT a terrorist! How insulting!
When he's asked: "The position of moderate Muslims is that Islam has nothing to do with terrorism. Do you buy that?"
His Response: "No, absolutely not. By completely being in denial about it's like an alcoholic basically. Unless an alcoholic acknowledges that he has a problem with alcohol, he's never gonna be able to go forward," Butt argues. "And as long as we, as Muslims, do not acknowledge that there is a violent streak in Islam, unless we acknowledge that, then we are gonna always lose the battle to the militants, by being in complete denial about it."
TELL ME YOUR KIDDING!!!
I'm a proud Muslim Woman and follow the Muslim faith and I surely am NOT a terrorist! How insulting!
The only reason I heard about The Network was talk radio.
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