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Senate Panel Authorizes Subpoena For Rove

But Stops Short Of Issuing Subpoenas For White House Aides Over Firings Of U.S. Attorneys

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(CBS/AP)  Senators joined the House on Thursday in approving subpoenas to force President Bush's political adviser and other aides to testify about the firings of federal prosecutors, setting off new efforts to avoid a dragged-out court fight.

Democrats portrayed the subpoena authority, approved on voice vote by both the House and Senate Judiciary committees, as a bargaining chip in negotiations over the terms of any testimony by White House political adviser Karl Rove.

The committees' chairmen, Sen. Patrick Leahy, D-Vt., and Rep. John Conyers, D-Mich., appeared in no rush to issue subpoenas to White House officials and provoke a standoff.

Talks continued behind the scenes, officials said, even as the White House and majority Democrats engaged in strategic posturing before the cameras.

While President Bush has publicly expressed his support for the embattled Attorney General, Gonzales has a morale problem inside his Justice Department, CBS News correspondent Bob Orr reports. Some officials are increasingly worried that the scandal surrounding the firing of eight federal prosecutors has become a distraction for the other U.S. Attorneys who are supposed to be fighting crime.

In letters Thursday, Senate and House Democrats rejected White House counsel Fred Fielding's offer to let Rove and other administration officials talk about their roles in the firings, but only on Bush's terms: in private, off the record and not under oath.

"I have never heard the Senate take an ultimatum like that," Leahy said. "I know he's the decider for the White House. "But he's not the decider for the United States Senate."

"Your proposal will not facilitate a full and fair inquiry," wrote Conyers and Rep. Linda Sanchez, D-Calif.

White House spokesman Tony Snow cast the administration's offer to allow Rove, former White House counsel Harriet Miers and their deputies talk to lawmakers in private as the best deal Democrats are going to get.

"We opened with a compromise," Snow told reporters. "By our reaching out, we're doing something that we're not compelled to do by the Constitution." But, he added, "The phone lines are still open."

Snow, in an interview on CBS' The Early Show accused supporters of subpoenas of wanting "a Perry Mason scene where people are hot-dogging and grandstanding and trying to score political points."

In a testy exchange with The Early Show co-anchor Harry Smith Snow said the White House's offer was generous.

"If anybody's worried about the communication the White House may have made with somebody, they're going to get it," Snow tersely responded. "If they're going to want to get an answer and want to get the facts from somebody, they're going to get it. What they're not going to get is the ability to create a show trial atmosphere."

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by randalds March 22, 2007 3:17 AM PDT
In one sense it doesn't matter if they do subpoena Rove, because the slimy little SOB ill just lie anyway. Of course it'd be nice to have his lies on the record so he could face perjury charges later. Also history will already list him as one of the sleaziest "humans" to ever be in government service, but he doesn't care because he has no soul, no heart, no conscience. Still he should remember the example of his mentor Lee Atwater, who taught Rove every sleazy, slimy, under-handed, lying trick in the book. Lee died earlier of an agonizingly painful brain tumor and apologized to all he defamed and hurt before he died. He was lucky as not everyone gets a chance to repent. Rove should learn from that example and beg forgiveness for the out and out lies he's told, the filth he's wallowed in, the deaths he's partially responsible for, the crimes he's committed and the good names he's destroyed. Remember Karl. Remember how your mentor died in agony. Look and learn Karl. If you actually do believe in a god and in a heaven and hell then you're going to roast for all eternity and I wonder if you think being Bush's suck-up and hatchet man is worth your immortal soul?
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by randalds March 22, 2007 3:23 AM PDT
Bush also defended Gonzales against demands for his resignation. "I support the attorney general," the president said.

Sounds like "You're doing a heck of a job Brownie" or "Secretary Rumsfeld has my full confidence and support". Got your resume updated Alberto? Because just like Libbey you're going to be the fall guy that falls on his sword so the scandal doesn't reach the sainted Rove. You're career and reputation are in the shi*tter because Bush wants to protect Rove. How does it feel to get screwed for your loyalty? How does it feel to be tossed aside like garbage as so many others have been, because Bush will screw over anyone and everyone to protect Karl Rove? Bush would dump his mother before Rove. They're alreadt interviewing your replacement. So much for the one way street that is republican loyalty.
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by March 22, 2007 5:01 AM PDT
veteran71 wrote:

"If Nancy isn't up to the task at hand, perhaps it's time to let someone with b***s take over."

Agreed.

It's about time the Dems do something instead of just talking about it.

Fight as dirty as those Republican bast*rds do.
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by bildooreilly March 22, 2007 5:08 AM PDT
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by bluestardad March 22, 2007 5:26 AM PDT
Nancy Pelosi and Steny Hoyer have been bought by the AIPAC political Action Group. They are not going to let the Democrats stray too far from the Bush party line in practice. The example of that is by Nancy Pelosi not including wording in the bill for Bush to not attack Iran. Israel wants America to Attack Iran before Bush leaves office.
We can still support our allies such as Israel without putting their interest over that of our own country. This is something American Politicians have not understood! It is not in Americas interest to attack Iran or to stay in Iraq!

If you follow the money trail you will find that most of those elected officials who support the war in Iraq are under the influence of AIPAC.

http://www.aipac.org/forms/join_aipacClubs.htm



Now here is the real kicker! President Bush is funding Al Qaeda in Lebanon with funds from Iraq! This is Impeachment and Treason! Here is the proof Read it!
http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/articles/070305fa_fact_hersh


If you think Americas sacrifice is worth it contact your ELECTED OFFICIAL and tell them http://www.visi.com/juan/congress/

The House Speakers email address: AmericanVoices@mail.house.gov

info@gop.com Here is the Republican Party email address too!

democraticparty@democrats.org Here is the Democratic Party email address also!

I HAVE PROVIDED YOU THE CONTACT AND RESEARCH STREAMS NOW THERE IS NO EXCUSE FOR YOUR TO CONTINUE TO EAT THE GRASS AND DRINK THE DICKTATERS COOL AID!
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by adian1-2009 March 22, 2007 5:40 AM PDT
If national security is not an issue, why complicate something so simple? Why not taking an oath to tell the truth and testify in public? WE have the right to know the truth; WE have the right to know what kind of government we have. If Gonzales is a weak pawn willing to yield to a Wilson or a Domenici complaint and act subserviently, WE have the right to know. If there have been obstruction of justice, WE have the right to know. If for entirely political gain or possible gain our top legal guardian is willing to trash the reputation of a few dedicated public servants and ruin their lives, WE have the right to know. Or is it that under this administration we do not?
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by jacksteen1 March 22, 2007 6:06 AM PDT
Lee Atwater is in Hell - a fate that awaits every member of the Republishit Party.

Karl Rove - get ready to handle your pitchfork.
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by djermano1 March 22, 2007 6:18 AM PDT
Oh sure the Democrats are not going to cave into close doors, backdoor hidden political conversations. What Bush is offering is yesteryear 30's politics. Sound familar?
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by dallison7 March 22, 2007 6:26 AM PDT
Kidnapping off the streets of sovreign nations, illegal wiretaps, lying to the American people, torture, outing a covert American agent in wartime, obstruction of justice, presenting 'doctored' intel to congress, no bid contracts, billion$ in cash 'disappears', Katrina, Walter Reed, energy policy developed in secret meetings with oil execs, firing federal prosecutors to stop fraud investigations.

I THINK WE CAN NOW SEE THE TIP OF THE ICEBERG!!
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by abbe7 March 22, 2007 6:38 AM PDT
And we would also like to know why the white house didn't do anything about the CIA leak ?
Maybe Rove knows about it ....

http://oversight.house.gov/investigations.asp?Issue=Disclosure+of CIA Agent Identity
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by j02281 March 22, 2007 6:58 AM PDT
Two options: 1-With America. 2-Against America.
I will go with America. With my President.
I wont go with: Liberals, Lesbians,Traitors
Anti-americans,Terrorists,and with all who want
to sell our Country,our Democracy.
DEMONCRATS, will destroy family values,moral
dignity,and will make deals with our enemies.
America will no forget Sep/11/2001. Traitors will.Like sewer rats.
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by dallison7 March 22, 2007 6:59 AM PDT
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- A 16-day gap in e-mail records between the Justice Department and the White House concerning the firing of U.S. attorneys last year has attracted the attention of congressional investigators.

In an investigation into whether seven U.S. attorneys were fired for political rather than professional reasons, the Justice Department on Monday handed over 3,000 pages of documents to the House and Senate Judiciary committees.

But the documents included no correspondence about the firings in the critical time period between November 15, 2006, and December 2, 2006, right before the attorneys were asked for their resignations.
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by j02281 March 22, 2007 7:01 AM PDT
DEMONCRATS want the power. Why ?. TO DESTROY A-
MERICA. They are experts doing that.
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by j02281 March 22, 2007 7:04 AM PDT
My dear friend you still believe,in CNN ?.
All world knows they are a bunch of liars.
They want to divide our country,but America will
send to them a bill. They belong to DEMONCRATS.
What they will say?.
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by dallison7 March 22, 2007 7:04 AM PDT
On November 15 -- the last day before the e-mail gap -- Kyle Sampson, who was then chief of staff to Gonzales, e-mailed Miers and her deputy an outline of the plan to fire the prosecutors and wrote, "The plan, by its terms, would commence this week."

Later in the same e-mail Gonzalez said, "I am concerned that to execute this plan properly we must all be on the same page and be steeled to withstand any political upheaval that might result."

Miers responded that same morning, saying, "Not sure whether this will be determined to require the boss's attention" and noted that President Bush had left town the night before. Sampson then asked, "Who will determine whether this requires the president's attention?"

December 2 Sampson e-mailed Deputy Attorney General Paul McNulty's chief of staff, saying, "The list is expanded; still waiting for green light from White House (though we would not launch until after 12/7 anyway)."

On December 4, Deputy White House Counsel William Kelley told Sampson, "We're a go for the US atty [sic] plan. WH leg [legislative affairs], political, and communications have signed off and acknowledged that we have to be committed to following through once the pressure comes."

Sampson said he forwarded the message to other Justice Department officials, saying, "We are a go for Thursday."
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by j02281 March 22, 2007 7:07 AM PDT
America,and our way of life have so many enemies.
Some of them are very well know,others work for
our enemies. Others pretend to be neutrals,others
are looking for power. All of them are enemies of
our Country.
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by j02281 March 22, 2007 7:10 AM PDT
America,americans,decent,honest, courage people
dont be manipulate for DEMONCRATS,they want the
power to destroy our values.
Our ancestors are with us.
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by karlimhof March 22, 2007 7:13 AM PDT
Posted by j02281 ????????????????

Sonny, stop playing with the computer when you mammy is out! Go back to your leggo game and leave the adults alone!



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by j02281 March 22, 2007 7:13 AM PDT
I support a women for president.
But the right one. Any women could be better than
Hillary. She will destroy America.
Is my perssonal oppinion.
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by dallison7 March 22, 2007 7:13 AM PDT

Updated: 8:48 a.m. ET March 21, 2007
WASHINGTON - With every unfolding crisis, President Bush is finding fewer allies in his corner. Republicans are ever more nervous about the Iraq war, Attorney General Alberto Gonzales' problems, FBI abuses of the Patriot Act and the botched treatment of war wounded at the Walter Reed Army Medical Center.
"I think Republicans are in a very awkward position of having to defend a number of indefensible acts," said GOP strategist Scott Reed. "It's causing them to move into the every-man-for-himself mode."
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by j02281 March 22, 2007 7:16 AM PDT
Playing you said?. Playing with America?.
They are playing(DEMONCRATS),with american people.
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by mcvet March 22, 2007 7:24 AM PDT
America,americans,decent,honest, courage people
dont be manipulate for DEMONCRATS,they want the
power to destroy our values.
Our ancestors are with us.
Posted by j02281 at 07:10 AM : Mar 22, 2007

Let me guess. Slept through History class? Right? LMAO It's called OVERSIGHT... something the Fascist in the last congress FAILED so badly at.
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by mcvet March 22, 2007 7:28 AM PDT
DEMONCRATS want the power. Why ?. TO DESTROY A-
MERICA. They are experts doing that.

Posted by j02281 at 07:01 AM : Mar 22, 2007
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Right! Now everyone HATE your neighbor and fellow Citizen. Refuse to allow them the right to govern and to be a full citizen because they aren't in THE PARTY. Oh! You also, must ignore that it was the Democrat Party who lead us SUCCESSFULLY through TWO World Wars and Governed NON STOP fromt he Great Depression to the greatest Economic Power on Earth. There's a name for what you're doing Sparky! It's called FASCISM. Sieg Heil
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by besscannon-2009 March 22, 2007 7:34 AM PDT
Of course, with so much to hide, Bush doesn't dare sanction his aides testifying under oath. Then, they would have to tell the truth, something that would ruin the facade Bush has worked so hard to build so he could hide behind it will doing his dirty deeds. To the guy knocking the democrats, hey, we elected them to clean up the mess in Washington. They are trying to do that. What planet do you live on that you find fault with honesty and openess?
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by imprisonbush March 22, 2007 7:34 AM PDT
Gonzales' firing of these US Attorneys is but the latest of many longterm efforts by Bush since he (allegedly) became President to prosecute Democratic public officials and avoid prosecutions of Republicans:

"The Shields-Cragan report reveals that, of the 375 investigations of public officials conducted by the Bush Justice Department, 298 -- or almost 80 percent -- were done against Democratic public officials. Only 67 investigations were performed on Republicans, while 10 probes were done on people affiliated with the Independent, Green or other parties." http://bobgeiger.blogspot.com/2007/03/study-white-house-guilty-of-political.html
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by jn122736 March 22, 2007 7:37 AM PDT
Maybe I got up too early this morning;
It appears someone has resorted to hiring telemarketers to sling their mud. This poster, j02281, even types with an accent.
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by skyk-2009 March 22, 2007 7:38 AM PDT
America,and our way of life have so many enemies.
Some of them are very well know,others work for
our enemies. Others pretend to be neutrals,others
are looking for power. All of them are enemies of
our Country.
Posted by j02281 at 07:07 AM : Mar 22, 2007

My Father was a Veteran of WW II and was a NEW DEAL Democrat... fine man. I am also a democrat and a veteran of Vietnam. The vast majority of the people in my community are Democrats and fine hard working people at that. The POINT you pathetic FASCIST is you are a LIAR!! We have had enough of this *** put out by the Religious Reich and carried by the Kool Aid Drinkers. Enough already!!
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by skyk-2009 March 22, 2007 7:41 AM PDT
As far as I can see Bush's people should testify and if he refuses and the Republican Party does NOT take him to task then they have truly become nothing but the party of Southern Fascist. These people who were fired were REPUBLICAN's. Honest Hard Working REPUBLICAN Attorneys who were REAL Republican's and refused to be lowered into the sewer of Rove and Bush. They did not deserve to be treated like they were but more important their investigations should NOT have been manulipated by this bunch of crooks.
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by dallison7 March 22, 2007 7:43 AM PDT
This poster, j02281, even types with an accent.

Posted by jn122736


LMAO!!

It appears the republicans are even 'outsourcing' their venom!!
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by skyk-2009 March 22, 2007 7:45 AM PDT
I think Republicans are in a very awkward position of having to defend a number of indefensible acts," said GOP strategist Scott Reed. "It's causing them to move into the every-man-for-himself mode."

Posted by dallison7 at 07:13 AM : Mar 22, 2007

Yeah and when your leader is a Southern Nazi with an approval somewhere near 30% there's really not much to defend.
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by antoniof123 March 22, 2007 7:54 AM PDT
For those of you who think that Nancy should do more and be like the Republicans isn't that what got them into this mess. If she does like them she becomes them. For you who have so much faith in the Republican party stop and read a book about history. They at ever step have done anything and everything to destroy American values. Look at your wonderful leaders like Newt what a joke. Can you remember the "Contract on America", notice the word ON. Stupid moron, I have officially become a dem because of this groups actions. So if the smart ones stay then that says something about the party.
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by theusa1st March 22, 2007 8:00 AM PDT
I have no problems with one party investigating another for any wrong doings. But the Chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee should at least be headed by someone with integrity. Senator Leahy was kicked off a committee before for leaking national secrets...all for the political gain of his party. Although he may be the senior member I would hope that the Dem's could come up with someone better that isn't such a partisan hack.
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by theusa1st March 22, 2007 8:00 AM PDT
I have no problems with one party investigating another for any wrong doings. But the Chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee should at least be headed by someone with integrity. Senator Leahy was kicked off a committee before for leaking national secrets...all for the political gain of his party. Although he may be the senior member I would hope that the Dem's could come up with someone better that isn't such a partisan hack.
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by karlimhof March 22, 2007 8:02 AM PDT
HEIL TO THE CHIEF!

bush on tv - explaining why he doesn't want his rabid poodle rove up front and center answering:

"what all they gonna do - make'em raise his hand and cite some legalizin'...."

This guy has no gas in his car, credit cards are revoked, he's intellectually and morally bankrupt!

Next case please....

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by springfever0 March 22, 2007 8:07 AM PDT
You're doing a heck of a job Alberto.
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by karlimhof March 22, 2007 8:07 AM PDT
Senator Leahy was kicked off a committee before for leaking national secrets...all for the political gain of his party.

Posted by theUSA1st

In 1987, Leahy resigned from his position as Vice Chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee after an investigation into an alleged leak to a reporter regarding information. The information released by Leahy was not classified and it was determined there was no ethical or criminal violation.

Satisfied?
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by rafterman1 March 22, 2007 8:08 AM PDT
Hmmmm. Bush's "fair" offer: No swearing in. No public audience. No transcript. He claims if they are sworn in, it's executive privilege (EP). Yet, if they aren't sworn in, then it's not EP and they will talk? If it's EP, then just talking to Congress would be a problem, whether under oath or not, no? Yet it's only EP if they are sworn in? Does that even make sense?

It seems to me they basically intend to go to Congress and lie (Libby's conviction has them spooked apparently). Otherwise, if it's only a Dem "fishing expedition" and there's nothing there, then why fear swearing under oath?
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by karlimhof March 22, 2007 8:10 AM PDT
the USA1st

If you want to see a real problem look at this;

David Wurmser is the Middle East Adviser to US Vice President *** Cheney.

Wurmser, a neoconservative, previously served as special assistant to John R. Bolton at the State Department and was a former research fellow on the Middle East at the American Enterprise Institute (AEI). He has been credited as being one of the main authors of the 1996 A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm report, a paper prepared for incoming Israeli Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu.

Wurmser played a leading role in the creation of a Pentagon intelligence unit that sought to link the Iraqi regime with Al Qaeda in the months leading up to the US invasion.[1]

On September 4, 2004, the Washington Post reported that FBI counterintelligence investigators had questioned Wurmser, along with Harold Rhode, Paul Wolfowitz and Douglas Feith about the passing of classified information to Ahmad Chalabi and/or the American Israel Public Affairs Committee. from wikipedia


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by theusa1st March 22, 2007 8:14 AM PDT
Satisfied?

Posted by karlimhof at 08:07 AM : Mar 22, 2007

No..Senator Leahy is my Senator from Vermont and he is just a political hack. I have known him longer than you...he leaked for political gain. Why don't you just face the fact that the dem's are no better than the repub's.
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by rafterman1 March 22, 2007 8:21 AM PDT
"Why don't you just face the fact that the dem's are no better than the repub's."

As a general rule maybe, but the CURRENT crop of Dems are better than the current crop of Repubs. The Repubs have had it good for too long, getting almost everything they wanted the last 12 years. They got fat, lazy and arrogant and now they are paying, like the Dems paid in 1994.

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by theusa1st March 22, 2007 8:23 AM PDT
the USA1st

If you want to see a real problem look at this;

Posted by karlimhof at 08:10 AM : Mar 22, 2007

The Big problem is that both sides have their share of arrogant hippocrits. The power has corrupted both sides of the isle. What we really need is term limits. Any incumbent typically has an unfair advantage over challengers. If they spent as much time trying to improve our country as they do playing politics maybe something constructive could get done.
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by xgi123 March 22, 2007 8:23 AM PDT
"Why don't you just face the fact that the dem's are no better than the repub's."

As a general rule maybe, but the CURRENT crop of Dems are better than the current crop of Repubs. The Repubs have had it good for too long, getting almost everything they wanted the last 12 years. They got fat, lazy and arrogant and now they are paying, like the Dems paid in 1994.


Posted by Rafterman1 at 08:21 AM : Mar 22, 2007

And the pendulum swings, as it always do.
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by theusa1st March 22, 2007 8:26 AM PDT
As a general rule maybe, but the CURRENT crop of Dems are better than the current crop of Repubs. The Repubs have had it good for too long, getting almost everything they wanted the last 12 years. They got fat, lazy and arrogant and now they are paying, like the Dems paid in 1994.


Posted by Rafterman1 at 08:21 AM : Mar 22, 2007

sounds about right....
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by xgi123 March 22, 2007 8:31 AM PDT
How about this? 86 the two party, winner take all system and have a real power sharing system. [sort of like we insist on for Iraq] 89 the
electoral College. [one man one vote] 86 the primary elections or require whatever party has a primary pay for it themselves. [Why should, say, an indepenent have to pay for both R and D primary?]
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by rafterman1 March 22, 2007 8:34 AM PDT
"What we really need is term limits."

Yes, definitely. But unfortunately, Congress would have to pass term limits - on themselves. And, like pay raises, no one is going to vote themselves out of a job.
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by panhandlpete March 22, 2007 8:35 AM PDT
Do you suppose someone would subpoena the computers of those people sending the emails and recover the lost ones from the hard drives? The fact that there are "missing days" brings back the smell of WATERGATE and the missing tapes. (They need to call in the experts from NSA.)

It is the Whitehouse that is trying to make a "SHOW" out of this situation by sending boxes of paper for the Congress to sort through, by making bold threats on television, and by saying the actions of these people are "immune" to scrutiny via sworn testimony.

Stay tuned and see how many rubber stamp REPUBS will hold the line.
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by March 22, 2007 8:36 AM PDT
theUSA1st wrote:

"Why don't you just face the fact that the dem's are no better than the repub's."

Nearly all politicians are the same - Democrat or Republican - they'd all sell their own mothers if there was something in it for them.

Having said that, the scum sucking pig known as GW Bush and the rest of his morally bankrupt morons have had their day.

They have proven time and time again that they cannot be trusted.

While the Iraq war has hurt the vast majority of Americans, GW Bush, his daddy (and the rest of the Carlyle Group) and ******** Cheney have been making a profit while Americans have been dying.

For that, they should not be forgiven and if it was up to me, they'd be hung, drawn and quartered for their crimes against humanity.
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by xgi123 March 22, 2007 8:41 AM PDT
How about this? 86 the two party, winner take all system and have a real power sharing system. [sort of like we insist on for Iraq] 89 the
electoral College. [one man one vote] 86 the primary elections or require whatever party has a primary pay for it themselves. [Why should, say, an indepenent have to pay for both R and D primary?]

Yes, term limits. Campaign reform. No presidential campaigning. [once in office the pres should be working for all the citizens, not campaigning for those in his own party] Have a 6 year preidential term with a "vote of confidence before the 4th year starts, no confidence results in a new election at the end of year 4.
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by rafterman1 March 22, 2007 8:42 AM PDT
Or this. Go to a system like the British have. Instead of directly electing the President, elect the party candidates in Congress. The majority gets to pick a president and the party can do everything it wants, without roadblocks or partisianship. No one can claim that the other party is holding up their agenda and nothing is getting done.

Then let the people decide in the next elections to keep everything as is or give the other party a shot. This would put more pressure on the parties to perform and not just throw up their hands and complain how the other party is holding things up and therefore nothing is getting done.


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by rafterman1 March 22, 2007 8:45 AM PDT
"Have a 6 year preidential term with a "vote of confidence before the 4th year starts, no confidence results in a new election at the end of year 4."

I like this idea. A President should run the country, not be distracted running around campaigning for a second term.
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