Brownback Echoes Pace: Gay Acts Immoral

Presidential Contender Backs General's Remark About Homosexuality

(AP)  Republican presidential candidate Sam Brownback is backing the Pentagon's top general over his remarks that homosexual acts are immoral. The Kansas senator planned to send a letter on Thursday to President Bush supporting Marine Gen. Peter Pace, who earlier this week likened homosexuality to adultery and said the military should not condone it by allowing gay personnel to serve openly.

The chairman of the Joint Chiefs also said in an interview with the Chicago Tribune: "I believe that homosexual acts between individuals are immoral and that we should not condone immoral acts. I do not believe the United States is well-served by a policy that says it is OK to be immoral in any way."
Lawmakers of both parties criticized the remarks, but Brownback's letter called the criticism "both unfair and unfortunate."

"We should not expect someone as qualified, accomplished and articulate as General Pace to lack personal views on important moral issues," Brownback said. "In fact, we should expect that anyone entrusted with such great responsibility will have strong moral views."

Asked whether he agreed with Pace's comments, Brownback said: "I do not believe being a homosexual is immoral, but I do believe homosexual acts are. I'm a Catholic and the church has clear teachings on this."

Democratic candidates Hillary Rodham Clinton and Barack Obama initially tried to sidestep the issue when asked about it this week, but both sought to clarify their opposition to Pace's comments on Thursday.

Obama did not directly answer on Wednesday when asked if same-sex relationships were immoral, Newsday reported. Obama issued a statement on Thursday, saying, "I do not agree with General Pace that homosexuality is immoral. Attempts to divide people like this have consumed too much of our politics over the past six years."

Clinton told ABC News Wednesday that it's for "others to conclude" whether homosexuality is immoral. On Thursday, she put out a statement saying that she'd heard from gay friends who said her answer sounded evasive.

"I should have echoed my colleague Senator John Warner (news, bio, voting record)'s statement forcefully stating that homosexuality is not immoral because that is what I believe," her statement said.

Meanwhile, Democratic hopeful Bill Richardson called Pace's remarks "unfortunate" and said the Bush administration should reject them, adding that he would push Congress to repeal military's "don't ask, don't tell policy" in which gay service members are required to keep their sexual orientation private.

[thenamesdave]

No surprise here. Brownback is the furthest to the right socially of the GOP candidates. I'm not making any comment as to whether that will help or hurt him in the nomination process. Just stating it.

[dallison7]

Well Sam, you can just forget about coming to the Cheney family Christmas party!

[oleander8]

"I do not believe being a homosexual is immoral, but I do believe homosexual acts are."

Is that like "I smoked marijuana, but I didn't inhale"?

[bks59]

If the US Military refuses to have open gay service personnel in their ranks, then the US Military troops ought not be shoulder to shoulder with our allies that welcome gay soldiers, but then that would be virtually all of US' allies.

[taddles-2009]

He's a Republican presidential candidate, of course he's going to say that homosexuality is immoral, that's one of the pillars of the conservative agenda. If he didn't say that he wouldn't get conservative votes. Look at Mit and Guliani, they both switched thier "views" on abortion and *** as soon as they decided to run for office.

If the conservatives made it a primary tenant of their agenda that people who wear orange are immoral, Brownback and Guiliani and Mit and all the rest would come out as "staunch anti-orange candidates".

[taddles-2009]

""I do not believe being a homosexual is immoral, but I do believe homosexual acts are."

Is that like "I smoked marijuana, but I didn't inhale"?
Posted by oleander8 at 11:17 AM : Mar 16, 2007"

I think it means that he just likes to watch but not participate.....

[l8c6]

Yeah, but it's o.k. for multinational corporations to run in a state of anarchy giving sociopaths free reign. Corporate idolatry over american citizens, that's not a sin? Hey, if it works for Brownose, it's moral.

[global_chick]

I agree with Pace and Brownback. Homosexuality is immoral, and as Americans they have every right to express their opinions without apology to anyone.

[l8c6]

---"He's a Republican presidential candidate, of course he's going to say that homosexuality is immoral, that's one of the pillars of the conservative agenda. If he didn't say that he wouldn't get conservative votes. Look at Mit and Guliani, they both switched thier "views" on abortion and *** as soon as they decided to run for office.--"

Notice that these issues never really get addressed once in office. Multinational corporate interests sure advance rapidly. The suckers, who vote for these snakes based on these issues are leaving their children and future generations destined to toil for bread crumbs the fields of private wealth no complaints tolerated.

Someday these politicians won't run on these "moral issues" they won't need the citizens vote. They'll be appointed by huge consolidations of wealth that managed to buy this and other countries.

[jsilver2th]

Rev. Ted Haggard agrees with them too.

[l8c6]

global_chick...are you a chick from Iraq because you don't sound western wordly. Many readers might be curious. Is there anything inherently immoral about you or are you pure as the driven snow and the apple of God's eye?

[gkc99]

Strange how the neocon goosesteppers think that inflicting pleasure on someone is more immoral than inflicting pain on them. Is Brownback a sado-***?

[simpsonman19]

How can he say being a homosexual is not immoral, but homosexual acts are? In order to be a homosexual you have to perform homosexual acts. I will agree though, when a gay man first comes out he may or may not have ever had relations with another man, but I don't know of any homosexuals who have never engaged in sexual intercourse with another man.

This guy's statement just doesn't make too much sense.

[anopinion1]

Clinton told ABC News Wednesday that it's for "others to conclude" whether homosexuality is immoral. On Thursday, she put out a statement saying that she'd heard from gay friends who said her answer sounded evasive.

that was in the article

What the heck is this "it's for others to decide" ***. This is a issue in the election to me.
I would like to know exactly where these people stand on issues like this. They will run into them while in office, and if it comes to a vote I want to know where they stand. I don't want someone in office that will sway where the wind blows on issues they should have definate view on.

[l8c6]

There is an urgency to rally the ignorant base still necessary but to a lesser degree in this century. Someday we won't have to listen to a debate on these issues that fail to honor a separation of church and state.

Instead there will be totalitarian rule that will think and decide all issues for the people. There will be no need for concern, just follow the rules and work the fields like good little peasants. It will be utopia for the lemmings who are stressed to face these issues rushing to the polls on behalf of pastors like Ted Haggard to insure america's moral compass is calibrated.

[bildooreilly]

They say these things yet they support that Gay male cheerleader named George Bush and his gay administration... Alberto Gonazales, Karl Rove, and many more. Bush was even busted for having a confirmed male prostitute (Jeff Gannon) posing as a fake reporter, secret service records show he spent the night at the white house over 200 times, and they even had this homosexual prostitute writing their "Anti gay" agenda.

Brownback and Pace won't say a word about that... I bet they probably have their own gay male prostitutes.... So either condemn the cheerleader in chief too or STFUP...

[bildooreilly]

Then there's Ted Haggard, George Bushs personal preacher.... spent every monday at the white house with his cheerleader buddy george bush.. maybe that's who he was getting the meth for....

Then you have George Bush making his flaming gay college cheerleading dorm mate ambassador to Poland, remember the last phony presidential debates where George "Lips" Bush kep bringing up Poland? He just couldn't take his mind off of his old gay lover..

Also there's a woman in Nevada who recently ran for office that claims she was involved in bisexual threesomes with Bush and Ashe and supplied other gay males for them.

GAYEST ADMINISTRATION EVER!

[jebediah76]

Moral? I know plenty of gay people who have morals which we should all aspire to. My question is this:

What is less of a moral act:

Senying someone their unalienable rights because they are gay

or

having *** with a willing partner of the same ***

What a backwards individual.

[l8c6]

anopinion1, do you care to hear how Clinton feels about lobbyists exceeding 30,000 in Washington overriding your vote in a manner that increasingly undermines your future participation in government? What is it with the small mindedness of individuals to think any of these people care one way or another about abortion, homosexuality etc. These are distractors to divide a populace and rob them of a government meant to represent all of its people. If you think your interests are what other people are doing in their own lives then you have serious boundary issues.

[bildooreilly]

George, Alberto, Karl, and the rest can't wait to climb Brownback Mountain... What a bunch of deviants. Pace is probably one also, go watch the interview with Kay Griggs, I'm sure you can still find it online called Military Wife Tells All.... She tells how guys like Peter Pace really "work their way up the ranks" in the military.

[l8c6]

bildooreilly, not as an attack on gay people but gay, straight whatever...I've heard of some real perverse *** parties in the military. I wouldn't at all be surprised of the real story kept hidden from public view. Typically what I've observed is when people especially of the right wing speak out against something it is a form of perverse cover for their secret life. Look at the recent gay male porn star turned right winger that was recently praised by Coulter, Malkin etc. and had an interview on Fox.

Ted Haggard is just one of many examples of this judgmental hypocritical sexually repressed crowd.

[bildooreilly]

l8c6,

I worked for the military for a few years, and traveled around to a lot of different bases around the world, and Kay Griggs helped me put 2 and 2 together about a lot of strange things that I didn't quite understand back then. I think she's telling the truth, go check out her video, I'm sure you can find it at video.google.com or youtube.com or somewhere if you do a search for her name.

[bildooreilly]

Chapter -XXI- Omaha

On the morning of June 29, 1989, pandemonium erupted in the corridors of power in the nation's capital. ``Homosexual Prostitution Probe Ensnares Official of Bush, Reagan,'' screamed the front-page headline of the Washington Times with the kicker ``Call Boys Took Midnight Tour of White House.''

The Times reported, ``A homosexual prostitution ring is under investigation by federal and District authorities and includes among its clients key officials of the Reagan and Bush administrations, military officers, congressional aides and U.S. and foreign businessmen with close ties to Washington's political elite.''

The exposei centered on the role of one Craig Spence, a Republican powerbroker known for his lavish ``power cocktail'' parties. Spence was well connected. He celebrated Independence Day 1988 by conducting a midnight tour of the White House in the company of two teenage male prostitutes among others in his party.

[Syndicate]

I don't understand how gay acts or any sexual act is immoral. If two or more people consent and derive pleasure from the act how is it immoral? Who was hurt? If no one is hurt then it is not immoral. And don't give me that bible stuff. If ever anything was truly immoral its that book.

[randalds]

The only good thing about Brownback is there's not a snowballs chance in hell of him ever getting elected president. No matter how much he prays. As a confirmed atheist and strong supporter of gay rights all I can say is, thank god!

[ixoye_02]

Brownback is just another stupid politician wanting to score points with conservatives. When are conservative christians going to realize that they like to point out immoral behaviour but fail to point out obvious immoral acts commited by our political leaders such as going to war over false pretenses, ignoring the poor and working class families, and promoting hatred among people, and simply speaking lies to the public. Why not pull out the "log" of spiritual pride from your own eyes before you point out the problems they see in other people, whom are certainly not loved by the likes of you, and whom Christ commanded to love as yourself. Conservative christians love mans laws and opinions, not God's.

[gunnerv1]

RandalDS: "As a confirmed Atheist", how can you invoke a "Thank God" in closing? I'm not an Atheist, I'm Agnostic, you know the ol' show/prove it to me routine. I was just courious. (Remember, "There are no Atheist in Foxholes").

[agnim]

SPEAK UP, REAL MEN OF AMERICA!

And stop bending down under f@ggots!

These are unfortunately are mentally deficient individuals trying to con a whole society that their homosexual perversion is so-called 'normal'.

And we have General Pace-setter to thank for standing up for what is good about America!

Now the lower rank can 'fall in!' LOL

[gunnerv1]

How about good ol' Barney Frank with his Gay boyfriend running male a prostitution ring out of his apt. Well guys, what ya got ta say about that? You guys aren't as "Squeeky Clean" as you want everyone to think.

[randalds]

Posted by gunnerv1 at 02:10 PM : Mar 16, 2007

It was a joke. besides even as an atheist I still say things like godd*amn it and such. It's out of habit, but for me it has no more religious significance then someone saying holy cow.

Oh and I disagree, even in a foxhole I'd still be an atheist.

[aboz146]

Brownback cites his Catholicism for his feelings that homosexuality is immoral. His church has covered up and ignored homosexuality/pedophilia in the priesthood for generations. I guess his church must be immoral too!!!

[forthepeaple]

I THINK THE GENERAL AND ALL OTHER JUST DONT WANT TO COME OUT YET, JUST GIVE THEM TIME....

[sharncedar]

Brownback is scrumptious! Look at his sensuous mouth, his pouting lips, his ruddy manly cheeks!

Oooh, punish us for being immoral, Senator *******! Be a good Republican, now, you KNOW the position ....

[anopinion1]

for cbscrash07

sodomy (the basic definition)(summed up by me)(god help us)
Any sexual act performed, that is not for the soul purpose of reproduction. examples;homosexual acts; beastiality; masturbation; you get the idea...

basically almost every person on earth sins, alot.
according to this.
that is if your sect of christianity believes sodomy is a bad thing.
I do not claim to know much from the bible(confirmed atheist here also), i looked up sodomy on wikipedia and came up with this haha.

[anopinion1]

sharn
go take a 5 in the bathroom and relieve your sexual frustrations. and stop dreaming about making brownback's back brown.

[feelfree1]

If obviously latent homosexuals like Sam Brownback and Marine Gen. Peter Pace had the courage to come to terms with their own sexuality, they might find the experience to be very liberating.

It's O.K. guys. Nobody cares about who is in a consenting sexual relationship with another, except for people who are emotionally stunted and sexually repressed.

Let me add another point here: nobody, and I mean NOBODY is threatened by the sexuality of attractive lesbians. Men and women only feel threatened by bull-***** and ***, because they threaten the fragile masculinity of reactionary men, and place the sexuality of these men in question, in the eyes of their mates.

If men like Rove, Cheney, Pace, Ashcroft, Brownback, Libby, Gonzales, Coutler, and Limbaugh, found the courage to come out of the closet about their true sexual preferences, I think that we would all be a lot better off.

[processorr2]

I am a gay man.

I was born gay and didn't choose to be.

I am a Republican.

I am hurt by this.

[sshard]

Leviticus 19:27
"Do not cut the hair at the sides of your head or clip off the edges of of beard"

Well I guess that makes Brownback and Pace both sinners and doing immoral acts.

[processorr2]

I am an extremely gay man.

I am also a Republican.

This hurts me deeply.

[randalds]

Leviticus 19:27
"Do not cut the hair at the sides of your head or clip off the edges of of beard"

Well I guess that makes Brownback and Pace both sinners and doing immoral acts.
Posted by sshard at 06:54 PM : Mar 16, 2007

I don't know about that. Maybe they're right, but maybe g*ay se*x is only really disgusting if you do it with one of them? I have several g*ay friends (plus a g*ay son and g*ay step-son that I haven't asked yet) and none of them would screw either of those guys in the first place. That must be what has them so *****ed at g*ays. I mean even Ted Haggard had to turn to a prostitute in order to walk on the wild side.

[j0hnwi11iams]

Homosexuality = immoral.
Murder = moral.

Just making sure I got that.

[randalds]

Homosexuality = immoral.
Murder = moral.

Just making sure I got that.


Posted by j0hnwi11iams at 01:37 AM : Mar 17, 2007


LOL! Add to that that Bush is God and you're now qualified to vote republican. ;-)

Dam*n they're such hypocrites that it really is fu*cking breath taking, isn't it?

[randalds]

Maybe the next time R. Lee Ermey stars in a movie about basic training instead of accusing scared troops of being a peter puffer, he'll accuse them of being a Peter Pace instead? lol! I mean he does have the most g*ay name I've heard of since my ex-wife's Obstetrician who was named Dr. Peter Savage (I kid you not, that was his name. Great MD though).

[gaye5]

Agnim, just leave these poor people alone, so many of them are lovely and have massive problems... I dont believe that they are born like it and some research has shown that many homosexuals come from solo or disjointed homes and that their problem is that they are looking for the affection of a man which they never got from their fathers. What breaks my heart is that they stuff up their lives even more when they go into a homosexual relationship.
Some very bright people also go into homosexuality . The problem being that very bright people are often different, they think differently and often dont like playing sport etc, so they are told that they are different because they are in fact gay, which isn't true, they are different because they are bright and sometimes see things differently to others, and can talk on a different level etc..
Agnim, just give homosexuals a few years and most of them will be dead anyway, haven't you read the horrific rise in sexually transmitted diseases amongst ***, some are caused by the consumption of faecal matter..
One article to look up is ..Homosexuals and Sexually Transmitted Infections. now watch the back lash that I will get from my bog... and with a beautiful name like mine being destroyed, I have every right to complain.

[Ed0719]

Sorry Gaye, lying as you have done doesn't gain you any respect. Every piece of information you posted has been thoroughly proven false, which makes it a lie for you to continue spreading it.

Stop spreading lies about something you know nothing about, please.

[processorr2]

I am a very gay man.

I was born gay and did not choose it.

I am also a Republican.

This side of the Rupublican party really hurts me.

[agnim]

"... and with a beautiful name like mine being destroyed, I have every right to complain.
Posted by Gaye5 at 08:29 AM : Mar 17, 2007"

I know how you must feel with the name that indicate deviance and perversion.
I was a bit incensed at the hijacking of that lovely word by the filth-stirring f@gs also.
Decent citizens can't be caught using the word 'gay' anymore. LOL

[agnim]

"I am a very gay man.

This side of the Rupublican party really hurts me.

Posted by Processorr2 at 09:19 AM : Mar 17, 2007"

Ever tried suicide?

Suicide is a honorable route out of f@g 'hurt' for those who can't wait for a real cure.
And many a good f@gs have taken the path of suicide, for its....

Better dead than gay!

[tucson23]

Torture, racism, intolerance, being judgemental, rudeness, and illegal war are all okay, but being gay is immoral? Agnim, you're the stupidest hypocrite I've ever heard of, and indeed you're too stupid to even see the contradiction. Go away so that reasonable, non-retarded people don't have to read your 3rd-grade educated "opinions." Perhaps you should read a book, or go to h*e*ll or something, fool.

[kaliveotin]

Hating people for no reason other than thier "GOD GIVEN INDIVIDUALITY" is the most immoral thing we know. These people ARE NOT CHRISTIANS in the sense that I was taught in Sunday school, they are hatefull bigots who use peoples differences against them. Jesus loves the little children, "All the children of the World". or he doesn't, in which case we should not allow tax free status for these institutions supporting the continuation of hate crimes and inequality under the law.