February 11, 2009 5:11 PM

Iraq: Tell Me How This Ends

By
Jennifer Hoar
(CBS)  By CBS News national security correspondent David Martin

Coming up on the 4th anniversary of the war in Iraq, it no longer seems worth the effort to argue about who made what mistakes. The relevant question now is the one General David Petraeus asked in the opening days of the invasion – "tell me how this ends."

It is one of history's minor ironies that as the new commander in Iraq, Petraeus is now in charge of answering his own question. He is pursuing a classic counterinsurgency strategy – a surge of troops to protect the citizens of Baghdfad from violence and buy time for the Iraqi government to get its act together. But as both U.S. intelligence and the Pentagon now acknowledge, this is not a classic insurgency.

It's also a civil war between Shiite and Sunni and neither side has an Abraham Lincoln preaching malice toward none and charity toward all. (Even with Lincoln, the Civil War didn't end until one side was defeated.)

You can get as many opinions as there are experts about how it ends. One government official I spoke to, who admits he's more pessimistic than many of his colleagues, predicts an outcome which is not in America's best interest, even if the surge succeeds in reducing violence. That would be a tactical success, he says, but it would not translate into a strategic success since it would result in a Shiite-dominated government at odds with its Sunni neighbors (America's Arab allies) and accommodating to Iran.

The future of Iraq depends not on the American military but on the ability of Shiite and Sunni politicians to compromise. The record to date is not encouraging. At the very least, it will take longer than expected, and the longer it takes, the longer U.S. troops will be stuck in Iraq – unless, of course, Congress throws in the towel and cuts off funding for the war.

No decisions have been made yet, but you can bet on two things. One, President Bush is not going to order a pull out as long as he remains in office. Two, the surge will be extended into 2008 to buy the Iraqi government still more time.

The "long hard slog" scenario remains the most likely course. Slowly, too slowly, the Iraqi army and police will replace American troops on the front lines and the U.S. can begin a pull-back, first to secure bases inside Iraq and then out of the country. But for the foreseeable future, five to ten years, American soldiers and Marines will be fighting and dying in Iraq.
"Tell me how this ends?"

It doesn't. It just grinds on with fewer troops and fewer casualties – sort of like Afghanistan.

David Martin

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by clemenhagen1 March 20, 2007 4:02 PM EDT
FREDGRAD: "But its just plain wrong to say we are not fighting a key battle with them and their ideology there NOW and that this battle has no bearing on our future security when we know what their plans are should they prevail in Iraq."

How does it bear on our future security? Our present policy endangers our long-term security!The battle in Iraq exists between the Shiite militias and the Sunni insurgency. The base of the Sunni insurgency stems from former Baathists, the majority of whom are secular; they gets a great deal of support from Saudi Arabia because they do not want to see Iran strengthened by a Shiite dominated Iraq. We don't know who to support. We trot Maliki out there and then shudder when it appears he is beholden to the Shiite militias and their death-squad practices. Our presence bolsters the support for and recruiting efforts of the various al Qaeda factions. They have no base there: the Kurds and Shiites will destroy them, and the Sunni insurgency only tolerates their presence because they target American troops. Our withdrawal will leave al Qaeda isolated; our continued presence does nothing but help them. Our current policy serves as a "win-win" for al Qaeda. We help them have a presence in Iraq and we cannot focus on their continued role in Afghanistan. Osama bin Laden could not have drawn up a better game plan.
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by xgi123 March 20, 2007 2:19 PM EDT
XGI...agree to a point. I think our election system COULD work but we need to term limit these old career politicians first. Secondly, maybe if we made it less attractive (salary, benefits, etc.) it would finally attract people who want to serve their country rather than have the country serve them.
Posted by Sprvtr at 11:08 AM : Mar 20, 2007

Agreed, It COULD work, with major reform. When one political party has received 51% of the presidential vote, seats in congress, whatever, they should NOT have 100% of the power. Another problem seems to be the fact that we, as taxpayers. pay for the primary elections for the two major parties. If there is to be a primary, let whatever party the primary benefits pay for it.
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by fredgrad2000 March 20, 2007 2:19 PM EDT
Clemenhagen1 - Al Qaeda forgeiners are a small percentage of the fighters, but Al Qaeda in Iraq (dominated by native Iraqis now, not "foreigners") is the largest, most dangerous insurgent group and all within it have sworn allegiance to Osama bin Laden and his "gang". Al Qaeda was NOT in Iraq when the war started, and I have said that knowing what we know now, I would not have supported the war...but Al Qaeda IS there now, and the sectarian violence that has erupted there was instigated by Al Qaeda; we know from their own communications and public statements that it was their strategy to foment civil war to both: wear us down as they knew the American Public would drop its support if they made this war drag out and made Iraq ungovernable, and to kill Shiites (who they view as infidels as well) - they couldn't beat us militarily, this was their strategy, to wear us down in this manner, so that we would leave and they would be left with "safe" territories to further their Jihad. So you're correct if you say 1) we shouldn't have invaded and/or 2) Al-Qaeda foreigners don't make up much of the total insurgency...but its just plain wrong to say we are not fighting a key battle with them and their ideology there NOW and that this battle has no bearing on our future security when we know what their plans are should they prevail in Iraq.
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by thechinaman1 March 20, 2007 2:04 PM EDT
david martin is a good reporter: but on this one he's dead wrong. it is worth arguing about mistakes made. perle, wolfowitz, feith, and cheney should be prosecuted immediately.
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by rconross March 20, 2007 12:28 PM EDT
xgi123: You got that right! I support the troops but do not support this war. Never have and never will. 2008 cannot get here soon enough...

One more thing, thank you for your service.
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by xgi123 March 20, 2007 11:50 AM EDT
If I were a returnee soldier from Iraq I would have a hard time faceing my family.(was in the military "51 to '55 )
Posted by middleman8 at 01:16 AM : Mar 20, 2007

I find this statement a little difficult to understand. Having served in the military, you know full well the oath you took to the country and, particularly, to the commander in cheif. RIGHT OR WRONG. No matter what you think about policy, you do your duty and, especially in the time of conflict, especially in a hostile fire zone, ask no questions about it. It isn't the folks that have done their duty who are without honor. You DO NOT have to support the war or the policy makers to support the troops. Those who think that way also think a person cannot love his country without supporting the government. Just plain wrong.
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by dallison7 March 20, 2007 10:09 AM EDT
The mayor of Salt Lake City, Donald Trump, about a million citizens and one senator are calling for impeachment. More are sure to sign on.

While I agree with the majority that a vote for impeachment would probably fail, the proceeding would most certainly shine the light of day on many of Bush/Cheney's crimes, would shame them, bruise their legacy and would be an invaluable lesson to future politicians.
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by dallison7 March 20, 2007 9:57 AM EDT
I would just like to say in favor of the soldier, the gentleman interviewing him seemed to favor the loss of the Iraqies and not that I don't feel sad for the loss of those children and women, it is the simple fact that he was doing his job. That's the point, not that you think he's a murderer, he is fighting for our freedom, to stop this fear of being terroriezed by these people who came to our land and ruthlessly took our families and our friends from us, with no notice to us the civilians at all.

Posted by Biggfive


WOW!!

THIS IS REALLY BIZZARE!!

THERE ARE REALLY PEOPLE THIS DUMB OUT THERE!!

I'M BEGINNING TO UNDERSTAND HOW BUSH GOT ELECTED!
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by middleman8 March 20, 2007 4:16 AM EDT
If I were a returnee soldier from Iraq I would have a hard time faceing my family.(was in the military "51 to '55 )
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by actornaught March 20, 2007 2:34 AM EDT
what did we expect 35 years ago for Viet Nam, what was our exit like, and how has it finally worked out?

2 more questions: the first appearance of W on the national radar was how he was amassing campaign money. Where was it coming from?

How can anyone possibly believe anything being said by this guy?
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