Vet Kills Himself After VA Turns Him Away

Jonathan Schulze Suffered From Post Traumatic Stress And Was On A Waiting List

(CBS)  Marine veteran Jonathan Schulze survived the war in Iraq but almost two years after he came home, it ended up killing him, reports The Early Show co-anchor Harry Smith.

He had one of the toughest jobs in the war: taming the insurgent hotbed of Ramadi in 2004.

"In two days of fighting his unit had lost 17 guys," said Jim Schulze, Jonathan's father.

Every family prays for the return of their loved one and the Schultzes were overjoyed that their son was coming home. But the young marine who fought in Iraq came back a different man. He was haunted by the carnage he witnessed and tormented by the guilt of surviving.

"In a matter of hours he could take and go from unbelievable anger and rage to just uncontrollable weeping," Jim Schulze said.

Jonathan was not alone. A new study says one in three veterans of the conflicts in Iraq and Afghanistan is suffering from psychological disorders, including post-traumatic stress. Jonathan had terrible nightmares, to the point his mother, Marianne Schulze, said, he was "afraid to close his eyes."

He turned to drugs, alcohol and fighting. He couldn't hold a job. Finally he asked his parents to take him to the VA hospital in St. Cloud, Minn.

"She asked, 'Why do you want to be seen?' and I was standing behind him and he was sitting in a chair, his shoulders were slumped and Jim was standing in the doorway and he said, 'I feel suicidal,' " Marianne Schulze said.

His parents say the VA told Jonathan they couldn't admit him that day and asked if he would call back the next day. He did but was told he was number 26 on a waiting-list and the VA didn't have enough beds for him. Four days later he hung himself.

"I feel cheated that my son's needs weren't taken care of," Jim Schulze said. "I feel cheated that in my mind, the condition that he was in was not for a valid reason."

The VA won't comment on Jonathan's case, but said they are looking into it and are reviewing their intake procedures.

It was as if Jonathan Schultze had died twice. His spirit had been snuffed out on the battlefield and without it he could find no reason to go on living.

"He was willing to go to Iraq and did what he had to do in Iraq, got injured in Iraq, and he comes home and a year and a half of his life was torture. And they couldn't help him, or refused to help him, or told him he was number 26," Marianne Schulze said.

Jim Schultze served three tours in Vietnam and understands post-traumatic stress. He is certain the VA isn't ready for the veterans who are coming home.

"It's unfortunate because you'll have more and more vets coming back with this and it's gonna be a larger problem all the time and it's gonna need to be dealt with," he said.

The Schulzes hope other families will get the help they need: The help Jonathon didn't get.

"Time goes on and they say that time is the only thing that heals, but you never forget," Jim Schultze said, "and the hurting never stops."

[bellal-2009]

Oh, no. Give these people a medical card and let them go to the hospital like the rest of us. This is like the worst kind of HMO. He'd had better attention if he'd been in jail or a illegal immigrant detention center or even Gitmo.

[tsarbomba29]

My father, a WW11 Navy vet, suffered PTSD up till the day he died. I am a VN era vet, and am thoroughly disgusted with the VA for having denied the existence of this affliction, for so long. I'm certain veterans have suffered this illness for as long as there have been wars. The VA wears the "hashmarks of shame" on both sleeves, from wrists to shoulders.

[musty2u]

Okay, cry me a friggin' river. St. Cloud's VA facility near the Sauk River is practically in the middle of nowhere. It has only 15 psychiatric beds, the rest are surgical and general med. Why didn't this marine go elsewhere? If his family knew of his suicidal ideations, what were they doing? Buying new ropes, knives and other objects of destruction. But if the term victim is cried lour enough, maybe enough money will be found to sop up the wet eyes.
The sad fact is the death was needless. It was apparently foreshadowed by family and friends. They could have helped intervene in this matter.

[susieq_13]

How sad. Too bad he didn't get the help he needed when he needed it.

[hangelle]

Musty2U - you are a pig!

[gunownerdan]

Soon we will all be making sacrifices for the military industrial complex. Nothing to see here folks, move along!

[terrapin78]

Musty2U
Why don't you GO to Iraq and come back and see if you have the same opinion of VA and its ability to help you.

Then we'll see if you "cry me a friggin' river".

[ike2146]

Musty2U

As an Iraqi Freedom Veteran, I would consider you much worse than a pig. I have a much better name for you.

[musty2u]

Terrapin, I pulled 22 years in the navy as corpsman with the marines. Twice in RVN, Got my disability rating and have no, I repeat NO, trouble with the VA Hospital in Durham, NC. You see the difference here is I am not seeking care at a facility unable to handle the load. I'm sorry you don't care for my curt statements. Unfortunately, they are real. You don't like 'em, go read Emily Post.

[don7699]

Patriotism and support of the troops is more than a Bumper Sticker and a Yellow Ribbon. Brave men and women in the US military will kill people today so that civilians in the USA can drive their SUV's.
Get off your butt and really support the troops instead of feeding the self-serving beurocracy and flag waiving BS.
This brave young man did not need to die in this manner.

[ike2146]

Well said don7699!!!

[homespunlady]

In the earlier wars I believe the condition was caled shell shock or some such variation. It's always been around from war or other traumatic incidents only now we are somewhat better able to medically address it.
The shame is that there IS so much disparity in treatment. Musty2U you cannot justify blaming the victims simply because you are more capable at navigating the system and have the good fortune of being in the right place. Given different circumstances I'm sure you may have been that young man.
The military and VA systems need an answer to the HUGE disparity in care NOT just EXCUSES. The constructive thing is what his parents are trying for - a way to fix the problem. WHY can't there be some coordination between facilities so those facilities that have the slack can pick it up from those that are overwhelmed?? Searching for help in a morass of SEVERAL buracracies rather than one is a huge part of the problem.

[oleander8]

My big concern with the Walter Reed hospital scandal is that improvements are confined to that hospital - this is going on all over the country.

[hangelle]

then I guess there are pigs out there with 22 years in the navy as a corpsman

[yoopermom]

If they were unable to help him they should have had other resources available for the parents whether it was sending him to another facility or telling them to get him to the ER. Instead they were basically told%u2026Sorry, we can%u2019t help now. Can you plan on killing yourself in a couple of months and then we can assess your situation. Give me a break. Our men and women are sacrificing so much for us, yet our country treats prisoners and illegal immigrants better than our solders!!

[yoopermom]

If they were unable to help him they should have had other resources available for the parents whether it was sending him to another facility or telling them to get him to the ER. Instead they were basically told%u2026Sorry, we can%u2019t help now. Can you plan on killing yourself in a couple of months and then we can assess your situation. Give me a break. Our men and women are sacrificing so much for us, yet our country treats prisoners and illegal immigrants better than our solders!!

[faith441]

MAny Vietnam vets have PTSD. These same vets saw some of the worst possible things that could be done to a human being. What is the difference between the Vietnam vets and the Iraq War vets--none. The treatment is the same!!! I support the VA--the VA did what it could do. If the family was so concerned about their son they should have looked for help within their community if the VA could not help them. If the VA said come back the next day--why did the vet not go back? The VA has a prority system when ranking its vets and those needing help. The family or the vet should have checked with the VA as to what this vet's benefits were and what type of treatment he could get a said faculity or another faculity. I support the VA and their decision. Too many factors not explained.

[faith441]

MAny Vietnam vets have PTSD. These same vets saw some of the worst possible things that could be done to a human being. What is the difference between the Vietnam vets and the Iraq War vets--none. The treatment is the same!!! I support the VA--the VA did what it could do. If the family was so concerned about their son they should have looked for help within their community if the VA could not help them. If the VA said come back the next day--why did the vet not go back? The VA has a prority system when ranking its vets and those needing help. The family or the vet should have checked with the VA as to what this vet's benefits were and what type of treatment he could get a said faculity or another faculity. I support the VA and their decision. Too many factors not explained.

[inventagod]

If this administration wants their troops to do the dirty deeds, they should be shoveling mounds of cash into the VA to fix the damage that ultimately results... Too bad Bu$hCo chose to send that cash to Halliburton, while cutting the VA

[teeus]

"St. Cloud's VA facility near the Sauk River is practically in the middle of nowhere. It has only 15 psychiatric beds, the rest are surgical and general med..."

Well, actually, Musty2U, that's not correct:
"Joan Vincent, spokeswoman for the VA Medical Center in St. Cloud, said the VA has no waiting list. It has 133 beds for residential treatment for patients needing mental health care and chemical dependency services. About 20 people are being scheduled for admission at any one time, and it usually takes about five days to get in."

http://www.examiner.com/a-571048~St__Cloud_VA_says_it_s_ready_for_vets_with_mental_health_issues.html

[nyckate]

This is what happens when you let a president who wasted whatever brain he had on years of booze and drugs abuse along with a severely delusional vice president and secy defense wage war - to Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld it was just a great photo op -- they have no idea of the disaster they caused and nor do they care.

[gunfighterfr]

First off my prays go out to the family. Please excuse my spelling I am bad at that. I served 8 years in the Corps myself, during the 80s. I ended up a disabled vet, and was medicaly discharged, but took 16 years to get any benifits due to what was a cleical snafu. But this is unaccetable of the VA to say go on a waiting list for that period. However, many of you just want to pass the buck. That is just shameful. We need to fix the VA system, This is what this thing is about. To show that the system is broken and needs fixed. They could have sent him to another place and worked out the payments later if they didnt have room for him. and for those of you that have never served you have no idea what you are talking about and I am glad you don't. I dont want any one to have to know what that is like. But this young Marine did what was ask of him by those of you that have no idea what you ask and then dont give a **** about what happens to those the fight in your place for you. Show this family some support and do your best to fix this system that throws away it veteran when they are done with them.

[musty2u]

Teeus, If you continue with the Examiner piece you cited, we further can read:

"In the Schulze case, the St. Cloud VA's investigation has been completed, but the results are protected by data privacy law, Vincent said. The inspector general of the Department of Veteran Affairs will look further into allegations that he was turned away from VA hospitals in Minneapolis and St. Cloud before he killed himself."

"An investigation by the Office of the Medical Inspector, an independent agency established by Congress, has been finished. Its findings will be released to VA senior officials and elected federal officials with oversight of the VA system, Vincent said."

So its not really a done deal. Don't be pointing fingers at the VA until everything has been settled. Having dealt with several PTSD cases while I was active duty, as well as other wack-jobs; here would be my scenario. The guy went to the VA, got a little miffed over the line (my God, he had to wait to be seen!), aborted his own trip there, and left. It is a wonderful system to just complain about, so he did. Then he went even further and found a flippin' rope and said "goodbye cruel world". End of story as far as I see until the results of further investigation proves otherwise.

[musty2u]

Saigel, how true. There is generally over 80 suicides in the U.S. daily (outside of prison). That is daily. Think about it. If we could get the prison system to replicate this figure, we wouldn't need to keep building new facilities. Have you seen the designs and how much goes into them? What about the sweetheart deals the governors, and their ilk, end up making to get the things constructed. And, this does not even touch the surface for the outsourced prison systems.

[jbuckcp]

My Husband is a Vietnam Vet, and has NEVER had any support from the VA - even with his Agent Orange exposure, or the hearing damage he received, which could not be proved, as there was an intake test, but none done when he left the service.

[snuggles1983]

I feel much sorrow for this family, and many others who are experiencing much of the same thing. I think it is sick, that we allow our men and women to go fight for our freedom, yet when they need our help, the healthcare providers say there is nothing they can do. We as Americans should be able to help these military officers. You are all in my prayers.

[musty2u]

J, don't let the VA Claim rest. Have hubby get the help of his regional/local Veterans Services Officer (VSO). They are paid for by your county, and granted, work hand in glove with the VA, are a tremendou fit for the vet filing the claim. There is a right and wrong way to go about your husbands Agent Orange Exposure and Hearing Loss. His service in coutry is all the evidence he will need for exposure; his diagnosis of related diseases will cinch it. The hearing test he had early on is the reference audiogram. Hot doogle, if he has a copy of that. Check out the Agent Orange site, study up a little on it and drag, pull, or push hubby to the VSO and he will get compensated. I will agree, the backlog is now quite long. Last week, I heard it was about nine months, with all the documentaion. If he has to have a VA physical that may prolong things to 15 months. Sorry, it is a matter of sheer numbers

[gunfighterfr]

how about this you tell your congress man and senetors you want to see more support going to the VA, and to quit adding in thier pork just fund the VA so they can have the facilities and funds so they dont have to say we can't take you atm.

[sharonw7]

My heart is saddened by the loss of Jonathan and I pray for Mr. & Mrs. Schultz.
Same exact incident in the VA Hospital in San Antonio with our son Johnathan. He was in the war in 1992 and came back with physical & psychological problems. He went to the VA hospital they took his vitals he told them that he felt he could harm himself or someone. They told him to go to pharmacy to have meds refilled from prior stay on the psychiatric ward.
He has been in prison for seven years now because the very night he was ignored he shot thru the bedroom and killed his love.

[zahrabrooks]

Bush really infuriates me. Veterans should be treated well after they have been placed in harms way. The Iraq's who work as translaters should be given asylum in the U.S. I can't believe the coldness of our government.

[roger_inkart]

Another tragic casualty in a pointless, stupid war.

[everrea104]

Another needless war, just like Veit Nam it is a no win situtation, The care for our vets haven't change much either, and Bushey wants to send more money and more troups with out taking care of our owen . They ask why is our military not getting men and women to join? Well it doesn't take a rocket scienctist to know why, You get all these promises only to come home to nothing, Promises are put on hold or either you don't come home alive. I support our troups now get them the hell out of there if you don't want to take care of them. No miliary soldier should have to wait and go thur tons of paper work before getting taken care of. They are the heros,and should get what they deserve

[teeus]

Musty, I did read the entire article, thank you.

"The guy went to the VA, got a little miffed over the line (my God, he had to wait to be seen!), aborted his own trip there, and left. It is a wonderful system to just complain about, so he did."

I wouldn't be so hard on the young man's critical thinking skills, my self. I don't think you should required to be super-sharp and ready to combat a bureaucracy
when you%u2019re feeling suicidal. I think the two are mutually exclusive.

Let's put this another way. Guy walks up to the VA. Says "my leg has become severed and I think I may bleed to death." VA admitting clerk says: Come back tomorrow.

So, nice young man puts on a make shift tourniquet and manages to make it through the night. Next day he's told have a seat--your number 26.

Ummm, no. That's a pretty ****-poor response. If you are triaging mental health issues, and someone says I'm going to bleed to death/I'm feeling suicidal YOU ADMIT THEM NOW. NOW. And if your little clinic is set up to take emergency admits, you get him to a hospital that can. You DON'T let him wander away.

[musty2u]

I'd have to see the admission/intake documents. There are some pretty feeble sick-bay commando stories I could relate were we able to go get a cup of coffee. The hemorrhage scenario wouldn't end the way you guessed. Most conditions have a protocol (imagine that) and the ol' bleeder is going to get taken care of. Nut cases, on the other hand are going to require the duty shrink to evaluate - not just a regular MD. I say the guy didn't present as a credible suicide/psychiatric patient. Happens all the time. We just have to wait and see the full play.

[musty2u]

Jc, all finance bills originate in the Senate. Bush is not there. Blame the right source.

[miggyinct]

Musty2U & like-minded folks: 1)I'm shocked, appalled,amazed, pick-your-adjective by your lack of empathy for this young man & his family 2)Medical service-related disability has always been "easier" to obtain than psychiatric, unless you have Gulf-War Syndrome or another illness the government does not recognize 3)Durham, NC isn't St. Cloud, MN - last I knew there were 2 major hospitals in your immediate community, one of which is a University-affiliated medical center (Duke) compared to the 66 bed Hutchinson Medical Center. I guess he and his parents didn't have many choices of where to seek treatment, or maybe b/c he didn't have insurance and the VA was the only place he could be seen 4)Blaming his parents and friends for his suicide is unconscionable. 5) But, at least we agree that his death was needless...

[kaseyus]

I feel sad for all veterans who didn't receive the care they needed. The blame should fall on the VA office. They are shortstaffed but it is not because no one wants to work for them. The real reason is because they are "picky" about whom they want to hire. I know because my husband applied for a position as a Clinical Psychologist at some of the VA Hospitals. Unfortunately, they told him that he didn't meet the requirements. He is a licensed, Ph.D., but just because he didn't meet some outdated pre-doctoral internship requirement, they rejected him. What is important? That the person has 10 years of experience working with people who are suffering from PTSD and have mental health as well as substance abuse issues? Or that the person didn't complete his pre-doctoral internship at an APA accredited college? Hey! he graduated from an APA accredited college but that doesn't count!! I guess the VA Office have their priorities all screwed up and who suffers because of that? Our veterans!!. It's time that changes are made to the system.

[garvin54]

Our husbands, brothers, sons, daughters, wives are fighting for something to keep others free in a country where they will always be fighting and the civil war within the country will never end. I am thankful for those who gave their lives to keep American free. I am thankful that I was born and raised in a country where I can speak my mind and not end up in jail for my opinion. I thank God to have the freedoms that we have, but I do not appreciate our families loosing loved ones to get involved in a war that will NEVER end. I am so sorry that this family and many others are loosing their loved ones. I do not look forward to the day that my "son" will be entering the Army and then the day that he calls to tell me he is going to Iraq! I know that we as a society do not do enough for our veterans who give of their all for our safety and the freedoms that I value.

[hunter10039]

TO HIGH-UP PEOPLE IN CHARGE OF THE VA:

WAKE UP AND "SMELL THE COFFEE"!!!

IF YOU DON'T DO SOMETHING "MORE-BETTER"... TO TAKE BETTER IMMEDIATE CARE OF OUR VETS.....YOU WILL LOOSE YOUR JOBS.... JUST LIKE THE
WALTER-REED HOSPITAL FOLK DID !!!!

[sclaires]

This just goes to show that the Bush cuts in funding for the VA can have reprecussions that hurt families that will never get over the trauma. The VA should have admitted him immediately even if they had to put up another bed for him. It seems as though Bush will NEVER learn that HIS war has casualities even in the United States because of his stupid monetary policies.

[archangelric]

to all the Bush apologists:

in the last year of Clinton (2000);

prescription co-pays for Vets at VA were $6 per prescription; guess what they are now?

There is currently no charge to use a VA hospital but Bush has been trying to charge some vets $125 or more per year just to be able to go to a VA hospital

in 2000 there was no waiting to be assigned a doctor; now there is a waiting list of 18 months or more at most VA hospitals

All this is as a result of Bush's tax cuts and service cuts to accommodate them; and then add the increase in vets needing service

... but then again, Bush hid out from service during Vietnam, got into the Texas National Guard ahead of his turn, then served by being (at least on paper) involved in a political campaign in Alabama

Is it any wonder that it was Sen Hillary Clinton (D-NY), Sen Patty Murray (D-WA), and Sen Diane Feinstein (D-CA) who worked with Sen (and veteran) John McCain (R-AZ) for emergency funding to get the VA the money it needed when Bush short changed it.

[coffeehead-2009]

My father served 21 year USAF-
A veteran of 2 Wars.
Shot down 2x during WWII.

He died *after retirement* - leaving a widow and three children to fend for themselves - ALONE.
No "survivors" benefits - only a "base pass" to utilize limited priveledges and even if we WANTED to go to a "military commisary", it was a 2 hour drive.

Remeber this when they try to shut down Social Security. Because THAT is ALL that kept me off the streets at the age of 11. It was NOT the military, it was YOU ALL and the measley 120.00 a month my mom got for me in SSI that made the difference.

Don't platinize our troops with yellow ribbons and rah rah patriotism then make them the very homeless that we show so much depise for.
True patriotism would DEMAND that our money be put towards our brave veterans.

[coffeehead-2009]

We need not dwell long on the logic of garden-variety military-economic corruption. As pots of honey attract flies, so pots of money attract thieves and con men. No organization has more money at its disposal than the US government, which attracts thieves and con men at least in full proportion to its control of wealth. Unscrupulous private parties who desire to gain a slice of the government's booty converge on the morally dismal swamp known as Washington, DC, and take whatever actions they expect will divert a portion of the loot into their own hands.

Audit Cites Pentagon Contractors [for widespread abuse of overhead charges]
Ex-Unisys Official Admits Paying Bribes to Get Pentagon Contracts
Top Republican on a House Panel Is Charged With Accepting Bribes
Ex-Pentagon Officials Sentenced [for taking monetary bribes and accepting prostitutes' services from contractors]
Revolving Door Leads to Jail: Former Acquisition Official Convicted of Steering Business to Boeing for Personal Gain
Contractor "Knew How to Grease the Wheels": ADCS Founder Spent Years Cultivating Political Contacts
Graft Lurks within Pentagon's "Black Budget": Top-secret Items Escape Oversight
Contractor Pleads Guilty to Corruption: Probe Extends Beyond Bribes to Congressman
From Cash to Yachts: Congressman's Bribe Menu; Court Documents Show Randall "Duke" Cunningham Set Bribery Rates
Defense Contractor Guilty in Bribe Case

[teeus]

"I'd have to see the admission/intake documents. There are some pretty feeble sick-bay commando stories I could relate were we able to go get a cup of coffee." No, you don't have to see them. WHY the patient is feeling suicidal is discussed LATER. I have no idea what you're trying to say about the coffee.

"The hemorrhage scenario wouldn't end the way you guessed. Most conditions have a protocol (imagine that) and the ol' bleeder is going to get taken care of. Nut cases, on the other hand are going to require the duty shrink to evaluate - not just a regular MD." Yes, I KNOW the bleeder scenario would have ended differently because protocol would have ensured that the patient been seen right away. That was kind of the point. THE SAME TYPE OF PROTOCOL SHOULD BE IN PLACE FOR PATIENTS WHO ARE FEELING SUIDICAL. Admit, stabilize, treat.

[osborn12]

At the risk of being called a "pig" (or worse),
I have to agree that intervention by family may have saved this man.
If my son said "I'm suicidal," and was told he was on a waiting list for treatment, I would have High-Tailed it for the nearest emergency room to have him admitted until a bed was ready.
I agree that the gov't has the responsibility to take care of Vets, but even if I would have had to figure out how to pay for treatment myself, and his LIFE was at stake...No-brainer!

[plowhandle]

This is what the blind, trusting support of the Republican Party has done to America's veterans: instead of their returning to the USA to be cared for, nurtured, honoured, and thanked for their valiant service overseas, they come home to find the Veterans' Administration has been underfunded, ignored, and generally abused by the bean-counters who want to use their power to make sure the friendly corporations get tax relief, the lobbyists get their bags of gold distributed, and the nation is fully duped into the belief that the Republicans actually live up to their advertised image as Defender Of The Common Man, Arbiter Of All Things American.

The Republicans that have done this started under Ronald Reagan...built their base in the Bible Belt, lying to the Crackers and making them think that keeping the ******* down, keeping your fully loaded weapons at hand at all times, and protecting the unborn tadpole babies was the mission of their Party...when it really has been the mission to give the country over to the corporations.

The filthy dogs deserve to be sent home, never to hold public office again.

[teeus]

"I would have High-Tailed it for the nearest emergency room to have him admitted until a bed was ready"

In the abstract I agree. However, it's easy to say when you're not footing the bill. I think a lot of people accept what authority figures tell them with too much questioning. Which is unfortunate, when the authority figure in question is pencil-neck paper-pusher who can't see the forest for the trees.

[random_radar]

Is this what people mean when they say they support the troops? Sending a healthy young man out to suffer so much anguish that he kills himself? Is this the glory of war and joy of serving your country?

I opposed this war from the start. There is no blood on my hands. We are destroying our fine men and women in a worthless cause. The human toll is tragic, but at least it is getting some attention now.

Let's end this war and salvage as many lives as possible. More Americans have died in Iraq than died in 9/11. People claim that fighting in Iraq keeps us safe at home, but I don't believe that at all. Bring our troops home and lets secure our borders and mind our own business.

Get a life everyone wants to blame everything on Bush. i do feel bad about the soldier death amnd I dont understand why they didnt admitted him in the hospital. he fought for his country derseve to be taken care for.My heart goes out to the family.But as for you all who just want to knock the President for this I like for you be in his shoe and see how well you do.

[ikee22ss]

It is a sad day when the same country that sends their men and women does not give the proper care and treatment their Veterans derserve. I am a Dis abled Veitnam Vet that also has PTSD. I was a Hospital Corpsamn with Kilo Co.,3/1. I servred most of my four years with the Marines(The Finest Men I Ever Met).I was the Marines version of a Combat Medic. As this father says you Never forget it's bagage you carry for the rest of your Living Days.The Non Veterans in the Great Country need to finnally stand up and help the Veterans get what's due them in the form of medical or compensation for disabilities. I have fought my goverment for 34 years trying to get medical care from the VA. President's past and Present are cutting veterans care and also are dividing Veterans onto groups so they don't have to let them into the VA to get care. IF your in what Bush says is group 8 you can't even get ANY care from the VA even if you are a Veterans that has been in a WAR. I go to the VETS CENTER for help for my PTSD. ANYONE OUT THERE THAT HAS A CHILD THAT HAS COME BACK AND YOU FEEL NEEDS HELP TAKE THEM AND YOURSELVES TO THE NEAREST VET CENTER. There's Help !!!!