WASHINGTON, March 11, 2007

Some Thoughts On The Libby Verdict

Bob Schieffer Wonders If The Verdict Was Worth The Trial In The CIA Lead Investigation

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(CBS)  Weekly commentary by CBS Evening News chief Washington correspondent and Face the Nation host Bob Schieffer.

Prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald convinced a jury that Scooter Libby – the Vice President's top aide and confidant – lied to a grand jury.

That is serious business.

But, here's the part I don't understand. What the prosecutor had set out to do – what the case was all about – was to determine if someone had broken the law by knowingly revealing the identity of secret intelligence agent Valerie Plame.

Did any of that ever happen? Was a law actually broken? If the prosecutor found such evidence, he must not have found much because no charge was ever filed. We don't even know if she was a secret agent covered by that law.

Nor will we ever.

Fitzgerald spent millions of dollars, hauled reporters before grand juries, forced them to reveal sources, even put one in jail and kept her there for months. But, once he convicted Libby of lying, he said he planned no other action.

Sure, the trial produced valuable information. We found out that top officials of the government apparently lie, spend a lot of time trying to manipulate the press, are quick to demean and discredit their critics, and when such hardball tactics backfire, find themselves paying an embarrassing political price.

But when these investigations drag on for years, when prosecutors spend millions of our tax dollars, when reporters are forced to tell grand juries who in the government they have been talking to, shouldn't we expect more for our money?

Shouldn't we at least be told if a law was broken, and whether Ms. Plame's identity was even covered by that law?


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By Bob Schieffer
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by samthetvcat March 13, 2007 7:22 PM EDT
opfor311 - yeah, I left out the removal for cause since it didn't happen, but that was a great explanation :)

You know what I think could have happened is that Libby hired one of those fance jury selection consultants like Dr. Phil used to be who advised them to look first for Republicans, and then second for people who would sympathize with their defense that Libby was just a small player for a much more sinister person (Cheney, Rove, etc). I think they probably did make the right choice accepting this neighbor into the jury given that they next person in line might have been even less sympathetic because it sounds like the jury really felt bad for Libby but that the evidence was just too persuasive - chances are the next person in line would perhaps think Libby was a creep or whatever (?) Like I guess people could feel like jeez if the jury had been made up of 12 Republican he might have been acquitted, except that the jury is supposed to be made up of a representative sample of society, so that would never have happened . . .

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by katg21 March 13, 2007 5:12 PM EDT
opfor311,
Thanks
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by opfor311 March 13, 2007 4:54 PM EDT
SamTheTVCat

The juror in question would have been eliminated from most jury pools by the judge, who does the first winnowing of the jurors. However, in this case, in his efforts to get a sufficient number of jurors from the pool to allow for a 12 person jury, and for 2 alternates, the judge allowed this juror to stay in the pool. Then the procecutor and the defense were allowed to remove jurors for whatever reason (besides race or gender) until the proper number of jurors was left.

I don't know why the defense left him on the jury, when he told them that he was a former reporter who had worked for Woodward, was a neighbor of Russert and had met both Fitzgerald and had a friend who had played football with Libby.

However, never underestimate the power of a jury member to sway other members in deliberations. A articulate jury member can convince others to see things his/her way.
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by samthetvcat March 13, 2007 3:43 AM EDT
I find it interesting too that we're now hearing that one of the jurors was a neighbor of Tim Russert and long time friends with Fitz. He is now going to write a tell all book about this trial and make millions of dollars. Where's the justice there, you tell me?
Posted by katg21

I thought you knew it all? People are called to jury duty at random, and are require to disclose all ties to people involved in the trial including expected witnesses. The prosecutor and defense are each entitled to reject an equal number of jury members - which means the Libby's lawyer (probably in consultation with Libby - a lawyer) agreed to make that person part of the jury. They probably didn't care about a jury member having a prior association to Tim Russert because we all know Tim Russert from TV with his little dry erase board during elections, etc.

But even assuming this jury member failed to mention his past association with Tim Russert, this isn't likely to be considered as having altered the outcome because there were 10 other witnesses who still concluded after a weighing of the evidence that Libby was guilty of lying under oath and didn't just 'forget' as you seem to need so desperately to believe.
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by ademeyer March 13, 2007 12:47 AM EDT
This is for you katg21:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&contentId=A11208-2003Sep27&notFound=true

At CIA Director George J. Tenet's request, the Justice Department is looking into an allegation that administration officials leaked the name of an undercover CIA officer to a journalist, government sources said yesterday.

When Novak told a CIA spokesman he was going to write a column about Wilson's wife, the spokesman urged him not to print her name "for security reasons," according to one CIA official. Intelligence officials said they believed Novak understood there were reasons other than Plame's personal security not to use her name, even though the CIA has declined to confirm whether she was undercover.
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by katg21 March 12, 2007 10:12 PM EDT
notblue and katg21, if Plame's employment at the CIA wasn't classified, then why did the CIA ask for an investigation of who leaked her name? Is the CIA a Democratic stronghold?
Posted by ADEMEYER at 05:31 PM : Mar 12, 2007

They didn't, an independent council did. Fitz went on a witch hunt to find said leaker but when that person wasn't Libby he had to improvise. I find it interesting too that we're now hearing that one of the jurors was a neighbor of Tim Russert and long time friends with Fitz. He is now going to write a tell all book about this trial and make millions of dollars. Where's the justice there, you tell me?
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by ademeyer March 12, 2007 8:31 PM EDT
notblue and katg21, if Plame's employment at the CIA wasn't classified, then why did the CIA ask for an investigation of who leaked her name? Is the CIA a Democratic stronghold?
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by katg21 March 12, 2007 7:50 PM EDT
Libby may serve 25yrs for failing to recall information... that's an injustice. Tim Russert failed to recall that same information, where's his indictment?
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by katg21 March 12, 2007 7:46 PM EDT
notblue,

My fellow Righty, you are wasting your time trying to explain it; the libs are closed minded to any common sense.
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by katg21 March 12, 2007 7:41 PM EDT
President Clinton was impeached for lying to the grand jury on a personal matter. I think Libby's lying had a lot more importance and impact than Mr. Clinton's.
Posted by oleander8 at 09:46 AM : Mar 12, 2007

You're so obviously on drugs if you believe that, come on! Maybe if Clinton weren't getting a b-job under his desk we would have caught Bin Laden!
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by notblue March 12, 2007 7:10 PM EDT
ademeyer, is it against the law to steal and remove classified documents? Poor Plame and Wilson. I wish the administration would smear me if it means millions would come my way afterwards. Plame was not a covert agent at the time of the outing, she wasn't even active out in the field, everyone CONVENIENTLY forgets that little fact even the press never mentions it.
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by ademeyer March 12, 2007 7:02 PM EDT
notblue: Armitage is not a Democrat and you know it. Why do you have to lie in order to protect Republicans? The reason Armitage, Rove, Fleischer, Cheney and Libby were not indicted for blowing Plame's cover is because it is not against the law to unknowingly reveal classified information. In other words, Fitzgerald could not prove they didn't know she was under cover. Had Libby told the truth, that Cheney wanted the information out to pay back the CIA, then these guys would have gone to jail. Personally, I wouldn't make an enemy of the CIA, if I were a Republican. Justice may yet be done.
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by ademeyer March 12, 2007 6:53 PM EDT
Bob you miss the point. Ambassador Wilson refuted information Bush used to justify the invasion of Iraq.The White House then orchestrated a campaign to smear its critic. Smear, not push back, not rigorously object, not vociferously deny, SMEAR. The result of the smear blew a CIA cover. Which prompted the CIA, not Wilson, to ask the prosecuter to investigate. And then, Libby lied about his participation in this press manipulation in order to protect the Vice President. Apparently, Bob, you think this is business as usual. You don't care about the validity of the iformation used to justify our invasion, or the actions of the White House in squelching democratic debate. It is a sad day in America when we have given up expecting elected officials to live by democratic ideals. A sad day.
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by notblue March 12, 2007 6:45 PM EDT
What about Armitage? He admitted he was the one that leaked Plames name, oh ya I forgot he is a democrat. How many millions have Plame and Wilson made off this thing??? Many of course, but that stuff never get's mentioned! Why is that?? Oh ya there Democrats too, they even could be classified as anti-bush anti-war activists but of course they have no agenda in this mess, they are just innocent victims. The hypocrisy makes one want to puke.
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by notblue March 12, 2007 6:29 PM EDT
The whole hubbub about the blue dress was a waste of our taxpayers dollars also. Does anyone TRULY believe that if there was some law broken that would incriminate Bush or Cheney that it wouldn't be tirelessly pursued by the dems and the press. Hello!
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by notblue March 12, 2007 6:26 PM EDT
It would have not been a waste of time and money if after all was said and done some law directly relating to the investigation had been broken. Libby has been convicted of lying but even after that no laws were broken. What does it take for ideology blinded left wingnuts to see that this was entirely motivated by politics and a leftwing media frenzy and or witch hunt. Why is it Barney Franks can be caught red handed with cash in the freezer by the FBI and nothing happens?? Why is that Sandy Berger can remove top secret documents from the national archive and nothing happens, in fact he is still walking the streets??? But the mere chance that the press and deomcrats could crucify the hated Rove And Cheney and it's tirelessly portrayed in the press as the next watergate, what a bunch of crapp, NO LAWS were broken!! HEllO!!
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by rexfans March 12, 2007 6:10 PM EDT
Right-wing propoganda. Is there no justice on corporate television? Libby was convicted for obstructing justice. He impeded the prosecution of the traitors who did whatever evil it took to get us into this horrible war. And you think that was a waste of time? You're the waste of time.
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by clemenhagen1 March 12, 2007 2:53 PM EDT
Again and again the right-wing treason apologists argue the "no underlying crime" cannard. Again and again we must refute their simplistic arguments. Why does a prosecutor pursue perjury? Because of obstruction of justice! Why pursue obstruction of justice? Because the obstruction of justice prevents the resolution of the central crime in question. Cheney orchestrated a campaign of petty revenge against Joseph Wilson for telling the truth about their lies for war. In the process, Cheney & Bush sent a message to the entire intelligence community: mess with our fabrications and fictions about this war and we will stop at nothing, including your families, to make you pay! Why perjury and obstruction of justice? Because Fitzgerald himself said the obstruction reached such a severe level he could not complete his investigation. Libby and other central players lied to the extent that the true crime got effectively covered up. To hear Republicans talk, that obstruction of justice should be rewarded because Fitzgerald could never prove the "underlying crime." Classic spin, but it's still treason.
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by skyk-2009 March 12, 2007 2:36 PM EDT
total waste of taxpayers money all in the name of politics.
Posted by notblue at 09:32 AM : Mar 12, 2007

How so? If you were talking about that insanity concerning the Blue Dress I could agree but when we are addressing an issue of the outing of a CIA Agent I have to disagree. It seems you fascist have a very warped sense of Justice here. It's okay to pursue Clinton to the point of IMPEACHMENT for Lying about a BJ yet it's a waste of money when the VP has LIED to the people and outed a CIA Agent to stop the debate about those lies. Strange folks the Fascist... very strange. Sieg Heil.
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by karlimhof March 12, 2007 1:47 PM EDT
LIBBY :


GO TO JAIL SCOOTER - DO NOT COLLECT $200

GOOD BYE AND GOOD RIDDENS

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