Fans: Captain America Died For His Ideals

66-Year-Old Superhero Shot Dead In Struggle Between Civil Liberties And National Security

(CBS)  Born to fight the Nazis in World War II, he was the original symbol of truth, justice and the American way. CBS News correspondent Michelle Miller reports.

This week, when many think America needs him the most, Captain America died at the hands of a new enemy.

"A lot of people look up to Captain America, not only in the comic book world but in real life," says Quentin Mugavrin, a Captain America fan.

Over the last year, Marvel Comics fans have followed a Civil War. The community of comic book superheroes split down the middle — battling each other over the government's call to register them.

Captain America rebelled, calling the measure an infringement of his civil liberties. His one-time buddy, Iron Man, believed it was all for the greater good — national security.

“Fans were absolutely torn as to which side they were on,” says Marvel Comics editor-in-chief, Joe Quesada.

Quesada can't deny the parallels between his Marvel Universe and the real world. He had plenty of material to work with: a War on Terror, battlefronts in Iraq and Afghanistan, and above all, concerns over the Patriot Act.

"We were asking the question, the very, very simple question, which is, What is more important for you, your civil liberties or your personal safety?"

This week fans got the answer. Captain America was bumped off, betrayed, in true Manchurian Candidate fashion, by his girlfriend after she had been hypnotized.

The issue sold out in a day and a half.

Marvel comics killed off Captain America once before, when the Nazis blew up his plane over the North Atlantic. He was frozen in ice for 20 years.

Maybe that's why he seemed a little old fashioned for this age when so many of our leaders seem to have flaws.

"He’s actually a man out of time who lives with the convictions and morals of the '40s, trying to adapt to a new millennium," says Gerry Gladston, co-owner of Midtown Comics.

Quesada says he’s not sure if fans will see Captain Marvel in the future or not.

One thing's for sure, the comic book will live on — without its namesake.

"That to me is why this story is worth telling now because to me its: How do we get along without Captain America?” says Quesada. “Do we stand up? Do we step down?"

Because now, maybe more than ever, America needs its heroes.

[captainreasn]

I'm tired of hearing about this captain America bull sh@% he's not dead he's a comic book character no one died, tell all the comic book nerds to make a movie and be done with it. He'll just come back to life in a future issue anyway!!! American soldiers are dying everyday not captain America. Shut the f up already.

[captainreasn]

I'm tired of hearing about this captain America bull sh@% he's not dead he's a comic book character no one died all right, tell all the comic book nerds to make a movie and be done with it. He'll just come back to life in a future issue and everything will be fine!!! American soldiers are dying everyday not captain America. Shut the f up already.

[gwlafayette]

i never would expect this much press for captain america, but i think it is a powerfully symbolic event for americans now. many of us feel that america is starting to decline and that the badguys are winning. maybe this extreme publicity for someone few americans actually care about will get people to think about what they want america to be. things are definitely changing quickly, we need to consider which path we want to take.

[archangelric]

Lars

I have absolutely no idea why you are posting this nonsense here; what does it have to do with Captain America?

Also, understand, the apostles thought that armageddon was to come - in their lifetimes! Luke, in particular, was convinced he was to witness it. The apocalypse didn't come then and it ain't happenin' now either.

I wouldlike to know how many of you thinkthis was a publicity stunt and Cap' will come back (it was all a dream ..... )

[themartyred]

yawn.....

all I know is I need one of these stickers with the fascist dictator on them! sweeeet

cafepress.com/warisprofitable

[lars008-2009]

Patton: Now there's another thing I want you to remember. I don't want to get any messages saying that we are holding our position. We're not holding anything. Let the Hun do that. We are advancing constantly and we're not interested in holding onto anything except the enemy. We're going to hold onto him by the nose and we're going to kick him in the arse. We're going to kick the hell out of him all the time and we're going to go through him like c r a p through a goose.

Patton: Men, all this stuff you've heard about America not wanting to fight - wanting to stay out of the war, is a lot of horse dung. Americans traditionally love to fight. All real Americans love the sting of battle. When you were kids, you all admired the champion marble shooter, the fastest runner, big league ball players, the toughest boxers. Americans love a winner and will not tolerate a loser. Americans play to win all the time. I wouldn't give a hoot in hell for a man who lost and laughed. That's why Americans have never lost and never will lose a war, because the very thought of losing is hateful to Americans.

Patton: We're gonna keep fighting. Is that CLEAR? We're gonna attack all night we're gonna attack the next morning. If we're not VICTORIOUS. Let no man come back alive.

Patton: Fixed fortifications are monuments to the stupidity of man. If anything made by God can be overcome, anything made by man can be overcome.

[lars008-2009]

this is the end.... of fascist nazi islam
Saracen
John of Damascus, himself a resident of the Caliphate's capital city, described the Saracens in the early 8th century :

There is also the people-deceiving cult (threskeia) of the Ishmaelites, the forerunner of the Antichrist, which prevails until now. It derives from Ishmael, who was born to Abraham from Hagar, wherefore they are called Hagarenes and Ishmaelites. And they call them Saracens, inasmuch as they were [sent away] empty-handed by Sarah (ek tes Sarras kenous); for it was said to the angel by Hagar: "Sarah has sent me away empty-handed" (cf. Genesis xxi. 10, 14).
These, then, were idolaters and worshippers of the morning star and Aphrodite whom in fact they called Akbar (Chabar) in their own language, which means "great". So until the times of Heraclius they were plain idolaters. From that time till now a true prophet appeared among them, surnamed Muhammad (Mamed), who, having happened upon the Old and the New Testament and apparently having conversed, in like manner, with an Arian monk, put together his own heresy. And after ingratiating himself with the people by a pretence of piety, he spread rumours of a scripture (graphe) brought down to him from heaven. So, having drafted some ludicrous doctrines in his book, he handed over to them this form of worship (to sebas).
In this extract, John might actually have been referring to Allat, a pre-Islamic goddess equated with Aphrodite.
http://www.answers.com/topic/saracen

[j-whitman]

Lars,,,, Captain America fought Nazi's & corruption here in America,,, That's why Bush had him shot & killed.

[lars008-2009]

It is convenient for liberals to forget that the "Grand Mufti of Jerusalem" went to Germany as a guest of Hitler during WWII...and begged Hitler to find the "final solution" to the jewish problem. This same Grand mufti used his influence to raise Two Muslim SS Divisions in Yugoslavia (Kosovo) and Albaina. These divisions were responsible for the murder of almost 1 Million jews, Serbs and Gypsies.

This same Grand Mufti was the maternal uncle of Yassir Arafat! The Mufti's war continues today worldwide.
http://news.messages.yahoo.com/bbs?action=m&board=37138459&tid=apiraq&sid=37138459&mid=1148296

[lars008-2009]

Doctrina Jacobi
Prophets don't come with sword and chariot.
http://www.livius.org/men-mh/messiah/messiah_med01.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrina_Iacobi

Antichrist
In the Book of Daniel the evil one is a military leader modeled on Antiochus IV Epiphanes, who persecuted the Jews.
http://www.answers.com/topic/antichrist
Daniel
Daniel recorded his visions (which became prophecies) for future as well as present use; including prophecies about the exact date of the coming of the Jewish Messiah into Jerusalem,
http://www.answers.com/topic/daniel-

http://www.fallofislam.com/?gclid=CInG1aqk64oCFRkEIwodSF4mmg
http://www.fallofislam.com/Bible_Prophecy.html

didn't the bible warn of muhammad and other false prophets?
Matthew 7:15
Matthew 24:11
Matthew 24:24
Mark 13:22
Luke 6:26
2 Peter 2:1
1 John 4:1
http://bibleresources.bible.com/keywordsearchresults.php?keyword=false+prophets&multiplemethod=phrase&version1=9&numpageresults=25&sortorder=bookorder

[lars008-2009]

he should have been fighting the fascist nazi islamic muslims....... they are no different than the fascist nazi germans.....

good thing we still have team america......

[lars008-2009]

Patton: Oh mighty and most merciful father. We humbly beseech thee of thy great goodness to restrain this immoderate weather with which we have had to contend. Grant us fair weather for battle. Graciously harken to us as solders who call upon thee that armed with thy power we may advance from victory to victory, and crush the oppression and wickedness of our enemies and establish thy justice among men and nations. AMEN.

[tucson23]

I smell nerds.

[monty_4]

Aren't you folks taking this comic book thing a little too far?

[acauble1]

Great! Now my day will be complete!

Reading this article and then the Bull Sh*it comments from 'lars008' just makes me feel that there's balance in the world.

Like Ying and Yang, there is logic...

...and comments from lars.

[kaliveotin]

Captain America standing up for individual liberties is an interesting pre-teen fantasy. Yet, who in the adult real world has stood up
against the fascist influences in the United States of America 2006=8. Before the Patriot Act we already had a secret court, that was created to OK unconstitutional warrants, (after the fact) to use against citizens. Our leaders are Un-american cowards who seldomly stand up for the real principles of freedom and liberty that our foundind fathers intended.

[lars008-2009]

fascist nazi islam is blasphemy haji......

you worship the darkside....... come into the light haji.....

fascist nazi islam is the enemy of the entire human race......

stand up against fascist nazi islam.......

FDR rounded up the japanes in america....
now we should round up the fascist nazi islamic muslims in america.....

[lars008-2009]

Patrick Henry
It is in vain, sir, to extenuate the matter. Gentlemen may cry, Peace, Peace--but there is no peace. The war is actually begun! The next gale that sweeps from the north will bring to our ears the clash of resounding arms! Our brethren are already in the field! Why stand we here idle? What is it that gentlemen wish? What would they have? Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death! March 23, 1775

The following text is a fatwa, or declaration of war, by Osama bin Laden first published in Al Quds Al Arabi, a London-based newspaper, in August, 1996. The fatwa is entitled "Declaration of War against the Americans Occupying the Land of the Two Holy Places."
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/terrorism/international/fatwa_1996.html

Text of Fatwah Urging Jihad Against Americans
http://www.ict.org.il/articles/fatwah.htm
http://www.fas.org/irp/world/para/docs/980223-fatwa.htm

Osama bin Laden's Declaration of War
http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Osama_bin_Laden%27s_Declaration_of_War

[kcstan11]

It's time for a brand new American comic hero ... Captain MORON ... the "Worlwide Freedom Fighter for Democracy". The leader who accepts ANY democratically elected government ... except Hamas, except Hezbollah, except .........


WHOOOPS ... we already have him ... in the WHITE HOUSE.

[sharncedar]

See our enemies don't change. Goldman Sachs, America's sworn and declared enemy (as they have said the American worker is overpaid and lazy, I assume that is a declaration of war against our people), yes Goldman Sach has a huge presence in London. Most of our "financial services" traitors are either run out of London or heavily connected to them.

Let us not get distracted by men wearing bedsheets running through the desert 10,000 miles away; the London/New York banking industry is here amongst us, doing evil to us by night and by day. Did a plant close? New York banks closed it. Did an American corporation abandon its workers, to relocate overseas? New York banks, which is to say London banks, advised and created the plan for them. Was there a foolish merger that destroyed an American industry?

The enemies of Patrick Henry are indeed the same enemies we face today, that is the British-New York banking interests, once and future oppressors of the "colonies".

[sharncedar]

The words of Patrick Henry are quite stirring. He was declaring his emnity towards the enemies of freedom, which remain the same 200 years later. The British banking interests, which have spawned the New York banking interests, are indeed the truest form of evil on earth both in 1776 and in 2007.

Some silly men in bedsheets in the desert were never a threat to American freedom, though they might be able to kill a few Americans, but as Patrick Henry points out, we are not cowards. They could never strangle our liberty. It took the British 200 years to get into position, to get us believing that money was more important than our ideals, to currupt and overthrow our democracy through the influence of money, to corrupt our children turning them into fawning syncophants of the London money centres and "globalization" which is entirely a British construct, a British blueprint for colonizing the world with capital instead of guns. And when guns are needed, dumb Americans are sent to die.

Imagine that, once we fought the British in the name of self-determination, now we kill for them, suppressing the self-determination of others.

[fascistusa]

I smell the stink of American Fascism.

Captain America is Dead. America is Dead.

We're a bunch of brainwashed, lazy, stupid TV watching idiots.

Screw this Country.

[lars008-2009]

SharnCedar ..... ignore the threat of fascist nazi islam at your peril, Thomas Jefferson did not ignore them and argued for war against them and did wage war against them when he became president......

fascistusa ..... nobody is more facist than fascist nazi islam..... all non muslims live an apartheid existance in all muslim countries....

Thomas Jefferson knew about fascist nazi islam..... he killed plenty of them....

In 1786 Jefferson and John Adams went to negotiate with Tripoli's envoy to London, Ambassador Sidi Haji Abdrahaman or (Sidi Haji Abdul Rahman Adja). They asked him by what right he extorted money and took slaves. Jefferson reported to Secretary of State John Jay, and to the Congress:

The ambassador answered us that [the right] was founded on the Laws of the Prophet (Mohammed), that it was written in their Koran, that all nations who should not have answered their authority were sinners, that it was their right and duty to make war upon them wherever they could be found, and to make slaves of all they could take as prisoners, and that every Mussulman who should be slain in battle was sure to go to heaven.[1]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Barbary_War
http://www.usvetdsp.com/jan07/jeff_quran.htm
http://www.khouse.org/articles/2007/691/
http://www.earlyamerica.com/review/2002_winter_spring/terrorism.htm

[thgdriver]

Benjamin Franklin had it right 200 years ago and it has not changed to this day 200 years later.

"Any man who would sacrifice his liberty's in the name of security deserves neither liberty or security". (sic)

[lars008-2009]

thgdriver .... he was referring to fighting the british and now he would be referring to fighting fascist nazi islam...

They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty or safety...

Benjamin Franklin made clear the ultimate intended result of America's experiment in liberty, when he said, "God grant that not only the love of liberty but a thorough knowledge of the rights of man may pervade all the nations of the earth, so that a philosopher may set his foot anywhere on its surface and say: This is my country." As we reflect on the political developments of the day, we should take a moment to reflect on how far we are from that goal, and ask how new life can be brought to that ideal which America was intended to embody.

[mark19772]

It is an expected end for a fake meaningless figure, people always think they are in the good side but the reality is different, look at all the problems we have in this country, corruption, racisms, broken families, crime rate, etc...do you think after all we have values?!!!!!

[lars008-2009]

think about living under fascist nazi apartheid system for non muslims in every muslim country haji

these stupid silly little fascist nazi Islamic muslims are no different than the stupid silly little fascist nazi germans

"When they came to arrest the Jews, I did not say any thing. I am not a Jew.
When they came to arrest the communists, I did not say anything. I am not a communist.
When they came to arrest the socialists, I did not say anything. I am not a socialist.
When they cam to arrest the homosexuals, gypsies, mentally retarded, etc. I did not say anything, I am none of the above.
When they came to arrest me, there was no one to speak for me."

when any one of us are not free then non of us are free.... fascist nazi islam enslaves and murders non muslims.....

[mark19772]

Who is occupying who? We are occupying Iraq? Or Iraq is occupying us? You guys don%u2019t read or what???

Try to think%u2026use your mind at least once in your life, who crated this entire problem%u2026who invaded Iraq?

You guys are hapless.

[slupal2]

Once again the liberals have ruined something good. What is wrong with something that not only makes you feel good but gives you a good feeling. Perhaps they should have killed off author instead????

[mark19772]

You are stupid redneck, racist, no wonder all the world%u2019s nations going forward and we are going backward.

What a future waiting for us when we have stupid raciest, ignorant, among us.

If you know anything about history you won%u2019t say what you said, any way it%u2019s our destiny to live with ignorant in the same land.

[lars008-2009]

Is islam a violation of international law???

islam practices slavery on non muslims
islam practices apartheid on non muslims
islam practices rape on non muslims
islam practices rape on babies and animals
islam practices genocide on non muslims

all are violations of international law and are crimes against humanity

Universal Declaration of Human Rights
http://www.un.org/Overview/rights.html
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/02/22/world/main2505445.shtml
Imam Khomeini - Supreme Leader of the Islamic Revolution
http://www.homa.org/Details.asp?ContentID=2137352826&TOCID=2083225445
Malaysia women 'suffer apartheid'
The daughter of Malaysia's former prime minister has launched a scathing attack on the roles and status of Muslim women in the country.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/4784784.stm
A matter of tolerance
http://musingwithmarinamahathir.blogspot.com/2006/12/matter-of-tolerance.html
Marina Mahathir
http://musingwithmarinamahathir.blogspot.com/

[mark19772]

There is no bloodier book in history more than the bible,
No darker history than Europe during the church rule.
The fist child rape was on Merry, and then she gave birth to Jesus when she was 14 years old.
No greater genocide than the one committed by Christians among themselves during the WWI and II.
The ugliest slavery happened in the human history was in this country by the name of Jesus against the blacks.

When you will grew up and read history???

[lars008-2009]

mark19772 ww1 and ww2 were not about religion haji.....
but all the fascist nazi islamic wars are.....

are you trying to justify the human rights violations commited around the planet by fascist nazi islam in the philippines, thailand, india, china, russia, yugoslavia, europe, africa, darfur, etc etc etc

and these human rights violations??

islam practices slavery on non muslims
islam practices apartheid on non muslims
islam practices rape on non muslims
islam practices rape on babies and animals
islam practices genocide on non muslims

[mark19772]

Hehehehehe%u2026..you are hopeless case%u2026.lol
In the time when other nations economies like China and India growing by 11% a year we are sinking in a 9 trillions $ debt, and a war costing us every year more than the entire cost of WWII with the money of today and more than 500 billion $ deficit, this war will last for years and years%u2026maybe we will win but the two big winner are China and India, the worlds supper powers in the next few years.

How about we think instead of hate?!! Sounds different from what you learned in your life?

Think think think

[lars008-2009]

it is you fascist nazi islamic muslims that hate haji....

the only reason india and china have the econimies they have is because of the usa and converting to capitalism from socialims/communism....... you think their countries are so wonderful.... lol go live in them hahahahahahaha

[mark19772]

First I m not muslim, second you need to learn how to love%u2026hate is blinding your eyes, you can%u2019t see the truth, or maybe you hate to see the truth!

Second, China and India will lead the world you like it or not, that time we can%u2019t occupy other nations without there approvals%u2026.and I like that heheheheheheheh.

[lars008-2009]

tell it to the fascist nazi islamic muslims haji.....
so you are a fascist nazi islamic muslim collaborator..... just as bad haji.....

there will be no more fascist nazi islamic muslims, like there are no fascist nazi germans.....

usa doesn't occupy without approval haji.....

[lars008-2009]

here's your enemy skippy..... try to remember that..... there will be a test later....
UK TV AIRS SHOCK 'UNDERCOVER' LOOK INTO MAINSTREAM BRIT MOSQUES...
Dispatches: Undercover Mosque
This is part one of the much-anticipated UK Channel 4 documentary Dispatches: Undercover Mosque, exposing evidence of Islamic supremacism, shocking misogyny, and support for violence at a number of Britain%u2019s leading mosques and Muslim institutions. (Thanks again to LGF operative kasper.)

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=24018_Dispatches-_Undercover_Mosque&only

Dispatches - Undercover Mosque (1 to 6)
UK Channel 4, aired 15th January 2007.
Radicalisation of UK mosques by Saudi Wahabbism
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Dispatches+- Undercover Mosque
http://youtube.com/watch?v=peFQWuk4nuo
http://youtube.com/watch?v=MuCLC8kjWCI
http://youtube.com/watch?v=x5t5EqWX92k
http://youtube.com/watch?v=yMztM0Z7BYE
http://youtube.com/watch?v=V4Zv3BUmwqs
http://youtube.com/watch?v=KvjvNScmTQA

[mark19772]

Why I am wasting my time with ignorant like you???? Go and educate yourself%u2026read try to read, it will change you to a better person, can live with others as a human being. And next time when you talk to people don%u2019t generalize, people are different.

[auramac]

Interesting debate that mirrors where we are in America today- security or freedom? Can't we have both?... One of the greatest comics ever created was Avengers #4 in which Stan Lee and Jack Kirby brought back Steve Rogers aka Captain America by thawing him out. It's not just the costume- it's the man! it's not just the symbolism- I lost interest in Green Lantern when Hal Jordan was replaced by a "new" contempory guy wearing his costume. Same for Barry Allen's Flash, though that too had happened before. Someone other than Bruce Wayne or Clark Kent? Out of the question. No, the problem is a creative one- this new crop of comic writers and artists have run out of ideas. And we're all numb- so we have to be shocked into caring about things or buying comics. How about taking what you've got, what's gone before, and using a little talent? What's next- replacing the flag? How about a "new, improved, edgy" constitution? Don't get me wrong- in most areas I'm a complete radical. But traditions matter. Bring back Captain America! But you must also- bring back Steve Rogers, too! No substitutions allowed!

[auramac]

Interesting debate that mirrors where we are in America today- security or freedom? Can't we have both?... One of the greatest comics ever created was Avengers #4 in which Stan Lee and Jack Kirby brought back Steve Rogers aka Captain America by thawing him out. It's not just the costume- it's the man! it's not just the symbolism- I lost interest in Green Lantern when Hal Jordan was replaced by a "new" contempory guy wearing his costume. Same for Barry Allen's Flash, though that too had happened before. Someone other than Bruce Wayne or Clark Kent? Out of the question. No, the problem is a creative one- this new crop of comic writers and artists have run out of ideas. And we're all numb- so we have to be shocked into caring about things or buying comics. How about taking what you've got, what's gone before, and using a little talent? What's next- replacing the flag? How about a "new, improved, edgy" constitution? Don't get me wrong- in most areas I'm a complete radical. But traditions matter. Bring back Captain America! But you must also- bring back Steve Rogers, too! No substitutions allowed!

[valenda1965]

what does any of this nonsense have to do with the article? Yes America does need heroes and we have them. The wife who stays loyal when her husband goes off to war . The father raising his kids because mom is gone. The soldiers who fight for freedom against mindless terriosts that live only to kill maime and destroy . They are so filled with hate they love nothing or no one. Comic book heroes like Captain America,DareDevil,Batman may be fiction but to a latch key kid they give a safe place to go,to dream and to believe that there are people who care and who want to make a difference.They are important. Are kids need someone to look up to and these guys beat rappers who spout hate filth and rage.Bring back Captain America and re unite the super heroes. Show that friendship , love,and respect for one anothers belief out weigh politics. we dont have to agree to love one another and sometimes we have to agree to disagree and move on for the sake of everyone.

[valenda1965]

to CaptainReasn: take your own advice and clean up your language little kids might be trying to read this. and you ALL have missed the point.Its not the comic book character that people mourn its the loss of a champion, someone who stood for something and never backed down or agreed with someone just because they wanted to get along.we could all take a page from him .Good,clean,honest,decent and moral. Too bad there arent more real people like him.

[lars008-2009]

Patrick Henry
It is in vain, sir, to extenuate the matter. Gentlemen may cry, Peace, Peace--but there is no peace. The war is actually begun! The next gale that sweeps from the north will bring to our ears the clash of resounding arms! Our brethren are already in the field! Why stand we here idle? What is it that gentlemen wish? What would they have? Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death! March 23, 1775

The following text is a fatwa, or declaration of war, by Osama bin Laden first published in Al Quds Al Arabi, a London-based newspaper, in August, 1996. The fatwa is entitled "Declaration of War against the Americans Occupying the Land of the Two Holy Places."
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/terrorism/international/fatwa_1996.html
nText of Fatwah Urging Jihad Against Americans
http://www.ict.org.il/articles/fatwah.htm
http://www.fas.org/irp/world/para/docs/980223-fatwa.htm

Osama bin Laden's Declaration of War
http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Osama_bin_Laden%27s_Declaration_of_War

[sketco-2009]

"Quesada says he%u2019s not sure if fans will see Captain Marvel in the future or not."--Michelle Miller
It's Marvel Comics and Captain America, not Captain Marvel.

[monsterbynit]

WE NEED HEROS WITH OLD SCHOOL AMERICAN VALUES!!
Classic comics were an escape from reality.
Modern comics are our reality!!
That takes all the fun out of it, & GOES anginst
the idea of what superheros are all about.
MARVEL SHOULD KEEP THE OPINONS ABOUT WAR & GOVN.
TO THEMSELVES.
PS A CIVIL WAR BETWEEN SUPERHEROS IS A DUMB A*S
IDEA ANYWAY.