8 Captured In Iraq Security Crackdown

Suspected Insurgents Captured North Of Baghdad; Shiite Rites To Begin In Karbala

(CBS/AP)  U.S. and Iraqi troops captured eight suspected insurgents Thursday in raids north of Baghdad as part of a campaign to prevent insurgents from regrouping outside the city during the ongoing security crackdown.

The operation took place in Duluiyah and the Jabouri peninsula — a bend in the Tigris River about 55 miles north of Baghdad — part of the Sunni areas around Baghdad where insurgents have fled since the crackdown in the capital began last month.

The top U.S. commander in Iraq, Gen. David Petraeus, said the security operation would be extended beyond the city limits to target these areas, which he referred to as "the Baghdad belt."

Petraeus did not put a time limit on how long the additional troops might remain in Iraq, but he said they're likely to be there beyond the summer, reports CBS News chief foreign correspondent Lara Logan.

"The priority clearly is Baghdad, (but) anyone who knows about security in Baghdad knows you must also secure the 'Baghdad belts'— in other words, the areas that surround Baghdad," Petraeus told reporters at his first news conference since taking command last month.

Petraeus said the security operation would continue as long as necessary "to achieve its desired effect."

"We are still in the early days of this endeavor — an endeavor that will take months, not weeks, to fully implement," Petraeus said.

Petraeus acknowledged that some kinds of attacks are almost impossible to stop, reports Logan.

“There is a point at which if someone is willing to blow up himself, particularly, perhaps, disguise himself, and use a vest rather than a vehicle, the problem becomes very, very difficult indeed,” he said.

Petraeus also said he had not decided whether to ask for additional troops beyond the 21,500 combat forces already earmarked for Baghdad. The last of the reinforcements are due in early June, he said.

In other developments:

The embassy of the Republic of Georgia said Thursday the former Soviet republic is raising the number of soldiers it has with the U.S.-led coalition in Iraq to more than 2,000 from its current 850.

The Pentagon has approved a request by the new U.S. commander in Iraq for an extra 2,200 military police to help deal with an anticipated increase in detainees during the Baghdad security crackdown, Defense Secretary Robert Gates said. Gates also cited early indications that the Iraqi government is meeting the commitments it made to bolster security, although he cautioned that it was too early to reach any firm conclusions about the outcome.

In a direct challenge to President Bush, House Democrats unveiled legislation Thursday requiring the withdrawal of U.S. combat troops from Iraq by the fall of next year. Speaker Nancy Pelosi said the deadline would be added to legislation providing nearly $100 billion the Bush administration has requested for fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Violence across Iraq Wednesday left about 90 people dead. The deadliest attack, a cafe bombing northeast of Baghdad, killed more than 30 people. According to a police officer, a suicide bomber detonated the explosive in a cafe in Bala Ruz. In addition to the 30 killed, dozens were injured.

The New York Times reported that the operational commander, Lt. Gen. Raymond Odierno, recommended that the extra troops remain until February 2008. Odierno said the extra troops are needed to allow time to win over the Iraqi populace.

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by lars008-2009 March 11, 2007 12:39 PM EDT

Patrick Henry
It is in vain, sir, to extenuate the matter. Gentlemen may cry, Peace, Peace--but there is no peace. The war is actually begun! The next gale that sweeps from the north will bring to our ears the clash of resounding arms! Our brethren are already in the field! Why stand we here idle? What is it that gentlemen wish? What would they have? Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death! March 23, 1775

The following text is a fatwa, or declaration of war, by Osama bin Laden first published in Al Quds Al Arabi, a London-based newspaper, in August, 1996. The fatwa is entitled "Declaration of War against the Americans Occupying the Land of the Two Holy Places."
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/terrorism/international/fatwa_1996.html

Text of Fatwah Urging Jihad Against Americans
http://www.ict.org.il/articles/fatwah.htm
http://www.fas.org/irp/world/para/docs/980223-fatwa.htm

Osama bin Laden's Declaration of War
http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Osama_bin_Laden%27s_Declaration_of_War

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by lars008-2009 March 11, 2007 7:17 AM EDT

Patton: Oh mighty and most merciful father. We humbly beseech thee of thy great goodness to restrain this immoderate weather with which we have had to contend. Grant us fair weather for battle. Graciously harken to us as solders who call upon thee that armed with thy power we may advance from victory to victory, and crush the oppression and wickedness of our enemies and establish thy justice among men and nations. AMEN.

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by lars008-2009 March 11, 2007 6:38 AM EDT

It is convenient for liberals to forget that the "Grand Mufti of Jerusalem" went to Germany as a guest of Hitler during WWII...and begged Hitler to find the "final solution" to the jewish problem. This same Grand mufti used his influence to raise Two Muslim SS Divisions in Yugoslavia (Kosovo) and Albaina. These divisions were responsible for the murder of almost 1 Million jews, Serbs and Gypsies.

This same Grand Mufti was the maternal uncle of Yassir Arafat! The Mufti's war continues today worldwide.
http://news.messages.yahoo.com/bbs?action=m&board=37138459&tid=apiraq&sid=37138459&mid=1148296

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by lars008-2009 March 11, 2007 5:50 AM EDT

Patton: Now there's another thing I want you to remember. I don't want to get any messages saying that we are holding our position. We're not holding anything. Let the Hun do that. We are advancing constantly and we're not interested in holding onto anything except the enemy. We're going to hold onto him by the nose and we're going to kick him in the ***. We're going to kick the hell out of him all the time and we're going to go through him like *** through a goose.

Patton: Men, all this stuff you've heard about America not wanting to fight - wanting to stay out of the war, is a lot of horse dung. Americans traditionally love to fight. All real Americans love the sting of battle. When you were kids, you all admired the champion marble shooter, the fastest runner, big league ball players, the toughest boxers. Americans love a winner and will not tolerate a loser. Americans play to win all the time. I wouldn't give a hoot in hell for a man who lost and laughed. That's why Americans have never lost and never will lose a war, because the very thought of losing is hateful to Americans.

Patton: We're gonna keep fighting. Is that CLEAR? We're gonna attack all night we're gonna attack the next morning. If we're not VICTORIOUS. Let no man come back alive.

Patton: Fixed fortifications are monuments to the stupidity of man. If anything made by God can be overcome, anything made by man can be overcome.

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by bm6005 March 9, 2007 4:35 PM EST

PS It's OK for the enemy to suffer deaths even among their women and children. THAT, death, is a great motivator in getting the enemy to admit defeat. In fact, over here, Harry and Nancy are counting on it and even using the DEATHS of THEIR OWN SOLDIERS for their own partisan political gain.
Posted by dcwonk47

So....kill 'em all, let God sort 'em out, eh? How enlightened!!

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by baldfrog-2009 March 9, 2007 2:50 PM EST

U.S. Gen. David Petraeus and old wooshy bushy's command have asked for more troops yet again.They blew this from the start along with v.p.d.c. and that idiot Mr.Paul Wolfowitz.
Now in February of 2003 U.S. Army General Eric Shinseki who was fired by Rumsfeld (another idiot) and
is famous for his remarks to the U.S. Senate Armed Services committee before the war in Iraq in which he said "something in the order of several hundred thousand soldiers" would probably be required for post-war Iraq. Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld and Deputy Secretary of Defense Paul Wolfowitz publicly disagreed with his estimate. Dopes
When the insurgency took hold in post-war Iraq, Shinseki's comments and their public rejection by the civilian leadership were often cited by those who felt the Bush administration deployed too few troops to Iraq. On November 15, 2006, in testimony before Congress, USCENTCOM CENTCOM Commander Gen. John Abizaid ( former commnder of our forces there said that General Shinseki's estimate had proved correct. [2]
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.
So there you go they fired or retired Commander Gen. John Abizaid and General Eric Shinseki who was right from the start.Way to go Commander in Chief Rove and Company. Call out the Texas Air National Guard we need more troops.Have Condi take the point.Yep you guys are doing great.Lets redo Pete Seeger's "Your Waist Deep In the Big Muddy now the Big Sandy and the Big Fool Says to Push On!"

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by bluestardad March 9, 2007 11:39 AM EST

50 YEARS OF SACRIFICE IN THE MIDDLE EAST IS ENOUGH! These little Neocons should be taken out and hung along with all their entire families for all the loss of American Life they have caused over the years! They are causing a back lash against Israel one of our allies in the Middle East. But then this NEOCON MEDDLING is the very thing that caused Jews to be persecuted in Europe. They got in politics without regards to the feelings of those they trampled over until the countries have had enough then they rose up and killed six million of them. Israeli Neocons are causing our Elected officials to fight their wars in Proxy! They are bragging in their advertisements read below. Follow the money do not take my word for it see how many Congressmen are influenced by AIPAC money and how they are voting on Iraq!

http://www.aipac.org/forms/join_aipacClubs.htm

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by perception5 March 9, 2007 11:03 AM EST

"The embassy of the Republic of Georgia said Thursday the former Soviet republic is raising the number of soldiers it has with the U.S.-led coalition in Iraq to more than 2,000 from its current 850."

...how much do you want to bet that this news of "increased" troops by our allies won't get the "same" coverage from our CORRUPT liberal MSM wolfpack as the withdraw of British troop announced two weeks ago????????? How much???

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by DannyWR March 9, 2007 5:12 AM EST

Shingles: Myself, I offer no excuses for 'W'. I think that he is a failure (so far) as a military commander.
My criticism of 'W' revolves, as you may surmise from my previous post, around the fact that not nearly enough DEATH has been dealt out to those in Iraq who continue to resist. I am in favor of much more DEATH being visited upon the enemy - and - none at all up our own forces.
One cannot, however, ignore the FACT that the US military, under Clintoon-Gore, was decimated all while being tasked to do more and more 'feel good' missions which are far beyond their brief which led to encouragement of the enemy to attack our interests.
The Blackhawk Down incident revealed the lack of armor, absence of artillery, a failure which plagues the US to this very day and complete breakdown of basic soldiership in the officer ranks. The Romans and Barbarians had smarter officers than we do now. I'd like to say the Iraqis were smarter than we are, it seems obvious, but, it's not true. It's the Iranians who get to use their Vietnam-like untouchable status to cut down the US from their Democrat protected perch.

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by karlimhof March 9, 2007 5:05 AM EST

In fact, over here, Harry and Nancy are counting on it and even using the DEATHS of THEIR OWN SOLDIERS for their own partisan political gain.
Posted by dcwonk47



stupidity knows no shame.

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by karlimhof March 9, 2007 5:05 AM EST

In fact, over here, Harry and Nancy are counting on it and even using the DEATHS of THEIR OWN SOLDIERS for their own partisan political gain.
Posted by dcwonk47



stupidity knows no shame.

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by DannyWR March 9, 2007 4:38 AM EST

Hey, Commanders in Iraq.

Why the hell aren't you using the Artillery?

We are all sick and tired of hearing about American soldiers doing urban warfare, suffering casualties, and THEN bringing in something like an Abrams or an airstrike.

That's bass-akwards, you idiots.

The idea is to kill them BEFORE they have a chance to kill you. Don't they teach that in Basic anymore?

PS It's OK for the enemy to suffer deaths even among their women and children. THAT, death, is a great motivator in getting the enemy to admit defeat. In fact, over here, Harry and Nancy are counting on it and even using the DEATHS of THEIR OWN SOLDIERS for their own partisan political gain.

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by shingles1 March 9, 2007 4:35 AM EST

"Osama actually first appeared on the FBI '10 Most Wanted' list on 7th of June, 1999 in connection with having murdered all those poor souls in the African embassies. See, it was Clintoon who failed FIRST."

So Clinton had a year and a half to get Osama - who, by the ways hadn't yet killed 3,000 innocent Americans. Bush has had 6 years to get him, almost 5 1/2 since those 3,000 were killed which I would think would make "getting Osama" a little more of a priority. The fact that Osama has not yet been caught is a slap in the face to those 3,000. And the fact that you would justify and excuse away Bush's half-axed inaction in pursuing justice is an insult to the dead.

"You see, it's OK that Bush doesn't seem to care about getting Osama cause it's all really Clinton's fault."

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by DannyWR March 9, 2007 4:34 AM EST

Hey, Commanders in Iraq.

Why the hell aren't you using the Artillery?

We are all sick and tired of hearing about American soldiers doing urban warfare, suffering casualties, and THEN bringing in something like an Abrams or an airstrike.

That's bass-akwards, you idiots.

The idea is to kill them BEFORE they have a chance to kill you. Don't they teach that in Basic anymore?

PS It's OK for the enemy to suffer deaths even among their women and children. THAT, death, is a great motivator in getting the enemy to admit defeat. In fact, over here, Harry and Nancy are counting on it and even using the DEATHS of THEIR OWN SOLDIERS for their own partisan political gain.

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by DannyWR March 9, 2007 4:14 AM EST

mcdazz wrote.........
"Well, if they did, they were only following GW Bush's lead.

Perhaps you should ask him why he hasn't caught Bin Laden yet."

Well, see, that's not exactly the right chronology. Actually, Clinton PRECEDED 'W' as POTUS.

Do you recall Clinton? He actually followed 'W's' Dad as POTUS, not 'W' himself.

That's important because, see, it was Clinton who had the first shot (er, several opportunities, truth be told) to 'erase' bin Laden.

Osama actually first appeared on the FBI '10 Most Wanted' list on 7th of June, 1999 in connection with having murdered all those poor souls in the African embassies. See, it was Clintoon who failed FIRST. You wouldn't want to elect his hanger-on no-clue pandering opportunist wife to high office and expect any better, would you?

'W' still has some time to make things right, assuming Osama is still alive enough to receive a Hellfire 'hello'.

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by March 9, 2007 12:48 AM EST

dcwonk47 wrote:

"Harry Reid and Pelosi Galore have surrendered to the terrorists on behalf of the USA."

Well, if they did, they were only following GW Bush's lead.

Perhaps you should ask him why he hasn't caught Bin Laden yet. Oh, that's right.

GW Bush Sept. 13, 2001 - "The most important thing is for us to find Osama bin Laden. It is our number one priority and we will not rest until we find him."

GW Bush March 13, 2002 - "I don't know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority."

Not our priority?

No sirree, it just wasn't Bush's priority to catch the "mastermind" behind 9/11.

I guess he didn't have enough oil to concern GW.

3000 people's lives, or 3000 barrels of oil?

I guess we know which one is more important to GW Bush.

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by March 9, 2007 12:13 AM EST

lars008 wrote:

"talk is no substitute for action"

Exactly. So, lars008, tell me when it is that you're going to Iraq?

Oh, that's right - you're not because you're too scared.

You're a gutless coward, lars008.

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by DannyWR March 8, 2007 11:41 PM EST

Checkpoint Tech 101:
Since nobody wants to be 'on the point' checking out cars at blockades for bombs for obvious reasons, WHY NOT LET YOUR BRAIN FIGURE OUT ANOTHER WAY?

Video cams hanging on roadside posts. There would be a sign instructing travelers to stop, get out, lift the camera off of the post and stick its lens into the passenger compartment, under the hood and trunk. There would be a separate cam embedded in a sump directed up at the undercarriage.

For crying out loud. Cams are cheap. Flesh is not cheap.

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by DannyWR March 8, 2007 11:22 PM EST

Harry Reid and Pelosi Galore have surrendered to the terrorists on behalf of the USA.

The only question now is, "What is the NYSE symbol for the leading maker of Islamic prayer rugs in America?"

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by DannyWR March 8, 2007 11:19 PM EST

"Petraeus acknowledged that some kinds of attacks are almost impossible to stop, reports Logan."

Then, why, Petraeus, do you continue to do the same things with our soldiers in Iraq that has gotten 3,100 of them killed already???????

It's well known how the Moslems kill with the IED's.
Our soldiers oblige the killers by driving their lightly armored vehicles along the roads just like targets in an arcade. The killers even sit back and run their video cams to record the explosions and bouncing American bodies and our generals DO NOTING EXCEPT SEND MORE SOLDIERS OUT ON THESE BRAINLESS SUICIDE SORTIES.
Note to Pentagon: The Iranians have MORE bombs than we have humvees, strikers, or soldiers.

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[lars008-2009]

Patrick Henry
It is in vain, sir, to extenuate the matter. Gentlemen may cry, Peace, Peace--but there is no peace. The war is actually begun! The next gale that sweeps from the north will bring to our ears the clash of resounding arms! Our brethren are already in the field! Why stand we here idle? What is it that gentlemen wish? What would they have? Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death! March 23, 1775

The following text is a fatwa, or declaration of war, by Osama bin Laden first published in Al Quds Al Arabi, a London-based newspaper, in August, 1996. The fatwa is entitled "Declaration of War against the Americans Occupying the Land of the Two Holy Places."
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/terrorism/international/fatwa_1996.html

Text of Fatwah Urging Jihad Against Americans
http://www.ict.org.il/articles/fatwah.htm
http://www.fas.org/irp/world/para/docs/980223-fatwa.htm

Osama bin Laden's Declaration of War
http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Osama_bin_Laden%27s_Declaration_of_War

[lars008-2009]

Patton: Oh mighty and most merciful father. We humbly beseech thee of thy great goodness to restrain this immoderate weather with which we have had to contend. Grant us fair weather for battle. Graciously harken to us as solders who call upon thee that armed with thy power we may advance from victory to victory, and crush the oppression and wickedness of our enemies and establish thy justice among men and nations. AMEN.

[lars008-2009]

It is convenient for liberals to forget that the "Grand Mufti of Jerusalem" went to Germany as a guest of Hitler during WWII...and begged Hitler to find the "final solution" to the jewish problem. This same Grand mufti used his influence to raise Two Muslim SS Divisions in Yugoslavia (Kosovo) and Albaina. These divisions were responsible for the murder of almost 1 Million jews, Serbs and Gypsies.

This same Grand Mufti was the maternal uncle of Yassir Arafat! The Mufti's war continues today worldwide.
http://news.messages.yahoo.com/bbs?action=m&board=37138459&tid=apiraq&sid=37138459&mid=1148296

[lars008-2009]

Patton: Now there's another thing I want you to remember. I don't want to get any messages saying that we are holding our position. We're not holding anything. Let the Hun do that. We are advancing constantly and we're not interested in holding onto anything except the enemy. We're going to hold onto him by the nose and we're going to kick him in the ***. We're going to kick the hell out of him all the time and we're going to go through him like *** through a goose.

Patton: Men, all this stuff you've heard about America not wanting to fight - wanting to stay out of the war, is a lot of horse dung. Americans traditionally love to fight. All real Americans love the sting of battle. When you were kids, you all admired the champion marble shooter, the fastest runner, big league ball players, the toughest boxers. Americans love a winner and will not tolerate a loser. Americans play to win all the time. I wouldn't give a hoot in hell for a man who lost and laughed. That's why Americans have never lost and never will lose a war, because the very thought of losing is hateful to Americans.

Patton: We're gonna keep fighting. Is that CLEAR? We're gonna attack all night we're gonna attack the next morning. If we're not VICTORIOUS. Let no man come back alive.

Patton: Fixed fortifications are monuments to the stupidity of man. If anything made by God can be overcome, anything made by man can be overcome.

[bm6005]

PS It's OK for the enemy to suffer deaths even among their women and children. THAT, death, is a great motivator in getting the enemy to admit defeat. In fact, over here, Harry and Nancy are counting on it and even using the DEATHS of THEIR OWN SOLDIERS for their own partisan political gain.
Posted by dcwonk47

So....kill 'em all, let God sort 'em out, eh? How enlightened!!

[baldfrog-2009]

U.S. Gen. David Petraeus and old wooshy bushy's command have asked for more troops yet again.They blew this from the start along with v.p.d.c. and that idiot Mr.Paul Wolfowitz.
Now in February of 2003 U.S. Army General Eric Shinseki who was fired by Rumsfeld (another idiot) and
is famous for his remarks to the U.S. Senate Armed Services committee before the war in Iraq in which he said "something in the order of several hundred thousand soldiers" would probably be required for post-war Iraq. Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld and Deputy Secretary of Defense Paul Wolfowitz publicly disagreed with his estimate. Dopes
When the insurgency took hold in post-war Iraq, Shinseki's comments and their public rejection by the civilian leadership were often cited by those who felt the Bush administration deployed too few troops to Iraq. On November 15, 2006, in testimony before Congress, USCENTCOM CENTCOM Commander Gen. John Abizaid ( former commnder of our forces there said that General Shinseki's estimate had proved correct. [2]
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.
So there you go they fired or retired Commander Gen. John Abizaid and General Eric Shinseki who was right from the start.Way to go Commander in Chief Rove and Company. Call out the Texas Air National Guard we need more troops.Have Condi take the point.Yep you guys are doing great.Lets redo Pete Seeger's "Your Waist Deep In the Big Muddy now the Big Sandy and the Big Fool Says to Push On!"

[bluestardad]

50 YEARS OF SACRIFICE IN THE MIDDLE EAST IS ENOUGH! These little Neocons should be taken out and hung along with all their entire families for all the loss of American Life they have caused over the years! They are causing a back lash against Israel one of our allies in the Middle East. But then this NEOCON MEDDLING is the very thing that caused Jews to be persecuted in Europe. They got in politics without regards to the feelings of those they trampled over until the countries have had enough then they rose up and killed six million of them. Israeli Neocons are causing our Elected officials to fight their wars in Proxy! They are bragging in their advertisements read below. Follow the money do not take my word for it see how many Congressmen are influenced by AIPAC money and how they are voting on Iraq!

http://www.aipac.org/forms/join_aipacClubs.htm

[perception5]

"The embassy of the Republic of Georgia said Thursday the former Soviet republic is raising the number of soldiers it has with the U.S.-led coalition in Iraq to more than 2,000 from its current 850."

...how much do you want to bet that this news of "increased" troops by our allies won't get the "same" coverage from our CORRUPT liberal MSM wolfpack as the withdraw of British troop announced two weeks ago????????? How much???

[DannyWR]

Shingles: Myself, I offer no excuses for 'W'. I think that he is a failure (so far) as a military commander.
My criticism of 'W' revolves, as you may surmise from my previous post, around the fact that not nearly enough DEATH has been dealt out to those in Iraq who continue to resist. I am in favor of much more DEATH being visited upon the enemy - and - none at all up our own forces.
One cannot, however, ignore the FACT that the US military, under Clintoon-Gore, was decimated all while being tasked to do more and more 'feel good' missions which are far beyond their brief which led to encouragement of the enemy to attack our interests.
The Blackhawk Down incident revealed the lack of armor, absence of artillery, a failure which plagues the US to this very day and complete breakdown of basic soldiership in the officer ranks. The Romans and Barbarians had smarter officers than we do now. I'd like to say the Iraqis were smarter than we are, it seems obvious, but, it's not true. It's the Iranians who get to use their Vietnam-like untouchable status to cut down the US from their Democrat protected perch.

[karlimhof]

In fact, over here, Harry and Nancy are counting on it and even using the DEATHS of THEIR OWN SOLDIERS for their own partisan political gain.
Posted by dcwonk47



stupidity knows no shame.

[karlimhof]

In fact, over here, Harry and Nancy are counting on it and even using the DEATHS of THEIR OWN SOLDIERS for their own partisan political gain.
Posted by dcwonk47



stupidity knows no shame.

[DannyWR]

Hey, Commanders in Iraq.

Why the hell aren't you using the Artillery?

We are all sick and tired of hearing about American soldiers doing urban warfare, suffering casualties, and THEN bringing in something like an Abrams or an airstrike.

That's bass-akwards, you idiots.

The idea is to kill them BEFORE they have a chance to kill you. Don't they teach that in Basic anymore?

PS It's OK for the enemy to suffer deaths even among their women and children. THAT, death, is a great motivator in getting the enemy to admit defeat. In fact, over here, Harry and Nancy are counting on it and even using the DEATHS of THEIR OWN SOLDIERS for their own partisan political gain.

[shingles1]

"Osama actually first appeared on the FBI '10 Most Wanted' list on 7th of June, 1999 in connection with having murdered all those poor souls in the African embassies. See, it was Clintoon who failed FIRST."

So Clinton had a year and a half to get Osama - who, by the ways hadn't yet killed 3,000 innocent Americans. Bush has had 6 years to get him, almost 5 1/2 since those 3,000 were killed which I would think would make "getting Osama" a little more of a priority. The fact that Osama has not yet been caught is a slap in the face to those 3,000. And the fact that you would justify and excuse away Bush's half-axed inaction in pursuing justice is an insult to the dead.

"You see, it's OK that Bush doesn't seem to care about getting Osama cause it's all really Clinton's fault."

[DannyWR]

Hey, Commanders in Iraq.

Why the hell aren't you using the Artillery?

We are all sick and tired of hearing about American soldiers doing urban warfare, suffering casualties, and THEN bringing in something like an Abrams or an airstrike.

That's bass-akwards, you idiots.

The idea is to kill them BEFORE they have a chance to kill you. Don't they teach that in Basic anymore?

PS It's OK for the enemy to suffer deaths even among their women and children. THAT, death, is a great motivator in getting the enemy to admit defeat. In fact, over here, Harry and Nancy are counting on it and even using the DEATHS of THEIR OWN SOLDIERS for their own partisan political gain.

[DannyWR]

mcdazz wrote.........
"Well, if they did, they were only following GW Bush's lead.

Perhaps you should ask him why he hasn't caught Bin Laden yet."

Well, see, that's not exactly the right chronology. Actually, Clinton PRECEDED 'W' as POTUS.

Do you recall Clinton? He actually followed 'W's' Dad as POTUS, not 'W' himself.

That's important because, see, it was Clinton who had the first shot (er, several opportunities, truth be told) to 'erase' bin Laden.

Osama actually first appeared on the FBI '10 Most Wanted' list on 7th of June, 1999 in connection with having murdered all those poor souls in the African embassies. See, it was Clintoon who failed FIRST. You wouldn't want to elect his hanger-on no-clue pandering opportunist wife to high office and expect any better, would you?

'W' still has some time to make things right, assuming Osama is still alive enough to receive a Hellfire 'hello'.

dcwonk47 wrote:

"Harry Reid and Pelosi Galore have surrendered to the terrorists on behalf of the USA."

Well, if they did, they were only following GW Bush's lead.

Perhaps you should ask him why he hasn't caught Bin Laden yet. Oh, that's right.

GW Bush Sept. 13, 2001 - "The most important thing is for us to find Osama bin Laden. It is our number one priority and we will not rest until we find him."

GW Bush March 13, 2002 - "I don't know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority."

Not our priority?

No sirree, it just wasn't Bush's priority to catch the "mastermind" behind 9/11.

I guess he didn't have enough oil to concern GW.

3000 people's lives, or 3000 barrels of oil?

I guess we know which one is more important to GW Bush.

lars008 wrote:

"talk is no substitute for action"

Exactly. So, lars008, tell me when it is that you're going to Iraq?

Oh, that's right - you're not because you're too scared.

You're a gutless coward, lars008.

[DannyWR]

Checkpoint Tech 101:
Since nobody wants to be 'on the point' checking out cars at blockades for bombs for obvious reasons, WHY NOT LET YOUR BRAIN FIGURE OUT ANOTHER WAY?

Video cams hanging on roadside posts. There would be a sign instructing travelers to stop, get out, lift the camera off of the post and stick its lens into the passenger compartment, under the hood and trunk. There would be a separate cam embedded in a sump directed up at the undercarriage.

For crying out loud. Cams are cheap. Flesh is not cheap.

[DannyWR]

Harry Reid and Pelosi Galore have surrendered to the terrorists on behalf of the USA.

The only question now is, "What is the NYSE symbol for the leading maker of Islamic prayer rugs in America?"

[DannyWR]

"Petraeus acknowledged that some kinds of attacks are almost impossible to stop, reports Logan."

Then, why, Petraeus, do you continue to do the same things with our soldiers in Iraq that has gotten 3,100 of them killed already???????

It's well known how the Moslems kill with the IED's.
Our soldiers oblige the killers by driving their lightly armored vehicles along the roads just like targets in an arcade. The killers even sit back and run their video cams to record the explosions and bouncing American bodies and our generals DO NOTING EXCEPT SEND MORE SOLDIERS OUT ON THESE BRAINLESS SUICIDE SORTIES.
Note to Pentagon: The Iranians have MORE bombs than we have humvees, strikers, or soldiers.