Is There A "Plan B" For Iraq?
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What is the administration's Plan B if the new Iraq strategy doesn't work? The Washington Post reports that as far as what's been said publicly, there is no Plan B. Since the new plan was announced, "senior officials have rebuffed questions about other options in the event of failure."
While Defense Secretary Robert Gates mentioned during a Congressional hearing recently that he was thinking about alternatives, he didn't provide details.
Instead, writes the Post, any discussion of alternatives is taking place outside of the White House, by "national security experts" who "have stepped into the void" to offer their own options via speeches and proposals.
As far as the strategy goes inside the government, Tennessee Gov. Phil Bredesen recalled a recent meeting with President Bush and Gen. Peter Pace, chairman of the Joint Chiefs. Bredesen said Pace summarized the administration's plan thusly: "Plan B was to make Plan A work."
Sunny Iraq
Meanwhile, in Iraq, the Interior Ministry has fired or reassigned more than 10,000 employees, including high-ranking police, because they were found to have "tortured prisoners, accepted bribes or had ties to militias," writes USA Today.
According to an internal report from the government to be released this week, there have been 41 documented incidents of human rights abuses at the ministry. A spokesman for the ministry said of the firings: "Maybe we aren't 100% cured. But we're getting better day by day."
In Basra, a raid by British and Iraqi troops on the offices of an Iraqi intelligency agency found 30 prisoners being held, "some showing signs of torture," writes the New York Times.
Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki "condemned the raid" and ordered an investigation into it. "It remained unclear why he sought to pursue the raiding force aggressively rather than the accusations of prisoner abuse," writes the Times.
U.S. and Iraq troops' security crackdown included a door to door search in Sadr City on Sunday, an area "whose fearsome reputation and political clout had rendered it largely off-limits to U.S. and Iraqi government troops for nearly three years," writes the Los Angeles Times. And Sunday's crackdown included "none of the bloodshed" that occurred in 2004, the last time American troops tried to police the area. Nonetheless, it's unclear when troops will establish a permanent outpost in Sadr City and how long Muktada Al Sadr "will keep a lid on his militia" in the area.
Problems Go Beyond Walter Reed
In the wake of much reporting on the shortcomings of the Department of Veterans Affairs in caring for wounded Iraq veterans (particularly the Washington Post's series on the "other" Walter Reed Army Medical Center) the Post follows up this morning with more bad news for the VA.
Following their first report on Walter Reed's failings, the Post received a "vast outpouring" from soldiers, family members, veterans, doctors and nurses detailing "stories of neglect and substandard care" at Walter Reed and other military bases around the country where outpatients are housed. Theirs are more stories of "callous responses to combat stress and a system ill equipped to handle another generation of psychologically scarred vets."
'Choosing Between Mom And Dad'
Two front pages make much of Sens. Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton's trip to Selma, Ala., on Sunday. Obama "staked his claim to the African American experience," writes the Los Angeles Times, "despite a personal background far from the bloodshed that was typified in this Deep South city during the struggle for civil rights."
Clinton, who had her husband in tow, also "claimed to be a beneficiary of the civil rights era — because it eventually led to advances for women."
Staking those claims is important, since both candidates were in town to "struggle for the loyalty" of Alabama's African American voters, a bloc "that would be dangerous" for either candidate to ignore, according to one political scientist at Emory University.
And those potential voters were struggling themselves, since both Obama and Clinton (and her husband) are "highly regarded" in the region.
Said one Selma resident of the conflict: "It's kind of like choosing between Mom and Dad."
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See all 60 CommentsQUAGMIRE ACCOMPLISHED!!
PLAN A : Neocon world domination
PLAN B : A broken Nation
Get this joken out of office !
Someone needs to do it!!
This administration seems to be sitting on their hands grinning while the watch Halliburton rake in the war chest.
That is why Iraq descended into looting and chaos right after the invasion. Douglas Feith, that neocon ******, was suppose to be responsible for post invasion Iraq, but he was a Donald Rumsfeld protoge. Rummy never wanted to waste a single thought or dollar on post invasion.
Hell, things were just suppose to work out by themselves, don't you know that??
So, chaos quickly insues and the idea of a plan to try and instill some kind of order was sort of knocked around, BUT thanks again to Feith, who was listening to General Bremer, it wasn't really all that bad. Bremer never set foot outside the Green zone, so he was a clueless fool.
Meanwhile more chaos. Feith resigns in summer 2005, no loss, but STILL no plan. Then, the situation explodes when that Shiite mosque was destoyed in Feb 2006. Then violence went right off the scale!
Finally someone came up with a plan!! Together Forward!! WOW, a good plan too. One big problem. Not enought soldiers to execute it! Sure the soldiers went block to block cleaning out insurgents, but once clean they left. Guess what?? The insurgents return!! Imagine that!!
So, Together Forward fizzles. But it was a good plan, so Bush decides to try it again, only this time he throws a few more men at it. Big problem. There STILL are not enough troops to make it work.
Jesus Christ, I would have thought it was apparent by now that this whole invasion and aftermath are the direct result of ONE stupid plan, the one to invade, and NOTHING ELSE.
Hell, the dems will be cleaning this mess up for years!
They will never admit failure so no withdraw, the troops just keep surging and staying the course.
We never had a plan.
We had "Strategery" from the "Decider".
We needed troops and equipment and planning. We got slogans, spin, and soundbites.
We needed open, receptive, questioning leadership at the Pentagon. We got Rumsfeld, who squashed any dissent, dismissed any suggestion, and was stone deaf to any criticism.
And millions of us turned off our brains and spent our time obsessing over Bangelina, JonBenet, American Idol, and the rest of the drivel on the boob tube.
The press rolled over and lapped up the swill handed out by this administration and then regurgitated it into the papers and onto the airways.
We all wanted revenge for 9/11, so we were all too eager to believe Doug Feith's fairytales about Saddam. When the invasion began, we pumped our fists into the air, wrapped ourselves in the flag, plastered our cars with yellow ribbon decals, and reviled anyone who questioned the reasons for and the conduct of the war as a vile, traitorous, lying, f*gg*t scumbag.
So here we are years later with over 3100 dead sons and daughters as the fruit of this unmitigated disaster.
Some plan, huh?
Posted by notblue at 10:19 AM : Mar 05, 2007
LOL Same tired old garbage from the same tired old Fascist. The Washington Post has been right the VAST majority of the time about this pathetic LOSER a few call a President. Just think there Sparky IF we'd have relied on the Nazi New's Media the rats would be chewing the bandages off our Vets at Walter Reed and we wouldn't know it. Doesn't that make you freaks HAPPY? LMAO
have you gone loco??
the only plan they had dealing with iraq was to do in kill lots people and kill saddam....they had no thinking whatsoever then that....if they woulda asked anyone who knows the history of the place if their can be peace between the factions their, they will all say noooooooo!!!!!!!
they will fight each other till the end of time!!!!or till one side is all dead!!!
they invaded iraq without thinking about anything.. and generations of americans to follow will pay for it with even more hostility towards us from the area.
took.
but seriously once he leaves office, troops are brought home, and someone who is anti war steps in as president. *&%# will hit the fan....
if we thought 9/11 was bad imagine how many more people over will want to get in on attacking us??
my advice..heh/..dont live in a major city in the us.
What's plan A for the dems?
It's a simple question.
Posted by singinrick
There was never a plan "a" for dems - we were lied into this war - to avoid mushroom clouds over the country !
It's a simple question."
Its pretty pathetic when the best the Republicans can come up with is criticizing the Democrats for not having a clear plan to clean up the horrible mess that the Republicans created.
The new Republican battle cry: "We're better than the Dems because they don't know how to clean up our miserable failures!!!!"
You're at a party and you recklessly spill wine and food on the floor, is it the responsibility of another guest at that party to clean up your mess? no, it's your job to clean it up
Plan A - Halliburton is making record profit$. NICE!! We really don't care how many US troops stupid enough to actually server die. They should have been smart like me and George and figure a way not to have to server & fight.
Plan B - keep plan A alive because Halliburton is making record profit$.
I am sick of being called unpatriotic or a coward because I don't support US empire building. We should NEVER have been in the business of trying to create another country in our image, by force. Pretty stupid idea.
Now, because that idea has fallen to ***, and I want the troops home so they don't get killed over this stupid idea, I am unpatriotic.
If you think being patriot is running other countries government, try looking in the dictionary for the correct definition. It means doing the best for your country. Staying in Iraq is not in our best interest.
Then I hear the "oh, but they will overrun Israel and spread their idea of Islam fundamentalism" so we HAVE to be there.
WRONG AGAIN. I heard that same *** about communism spreading if we left Vietnam. Didn't happen then, won't happen now.
I don't usually lower myself to calling people names, and didn't call you one. Telling you to *** yourself isn't calling you anything.
You have no idea of whether I am a coward or not and make stupid assumptions because I don't agree with US empire building.
But OK, you are a pretty stupid ***.
--and Why? Because the GOP (Gas, Oil & Petroleum) lobby was acting on solely on behalf of their special interests (mostly their own pocketbooks) and not out of any real concern the American people or their safety.
So please tell me who in their right mind is going to trust the GOP to do anything that does not still server their special interest?
Of course Bush/Cheney & Rummy knew there were no WMDs, why else would they have rolled our troops in there w/o any gas or bio protection. Then again they did send our soldiers under-manned, under trained and w/o proper body & vehicle armor.
Plan B Blame the dems for not having a plan.
Plan C Leave the mess for someone else to clean up. That represents Georges's whole life.
QUAGMIRE ACCOMPLISHED!!
Thomas Jefferson knew about fascist nazi islam..... he killed plenty of them....
In 1786 Jefferson and John Adams went to negotiate with Tripoli's envoy to London, Ambassador Sidi Haji Abdrahaman or (Sidi Haji Abdul Rahman Adja). They asked him by what right he extorted money and took slaves. Jefferson reported to Secretary of State John Jay, and to the Congress:
The ambassador answered us that [the right] was founded on the Laws of the Prophet (Mohammed), that it was written in their Koran, that all nations who should not have answered their authority were sinners, that it was their right and duty to make war upon them wherever they could be found, and to make slaves of all they could take as prisoners, and that every Mussulman who should be slain in battle was sure to go to heaven.[1]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Barbary_War
http://www.usvetdsp.com/jan07/jeff_quran.htm
http://www.khouse.org/articles/2007/691/
http://www.earlyamerica.com/review/2002_winter_spring/terrorism.htm
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=+Thomas Jefferson barbary
http://http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q= Thomas Jefferson islam
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q= Thomas Jefferson muslim
We are all the result of the effects that people and things had on our formative years. Parents and grandparents are instrumental in the shaping of our personalities:
Bush-Bones Doctrine: "Deny Everything" "There's three things to remember: claim everything, explain nothing, deny everything." - Senator Prescott Bush (Skull & Bones 1917) The Bush family patriarch made the above statement in a 1966 interview."
Under the Trading with the Enemy Act, the government took over the Union Banking Corporation, in which Bush was a director. The U.S. Alien Property Custodian seized Union Banking Corp.'s stock shares, all of which were owned by Prescott Bush, E. Roland `` Bunny '' Harriman, three Nazi executives, and two other associates of Bush.%u201D
- fear-based in their thinking and really believe they're going to be attacked (rediculous when you consider these people live in places like Des Moines, IA and Montgomery, AL)
- ignorant of the world in general and religion in particular
- greedy, all they care about is their wallet, buying a second home, stock portfoilio, etc.
Saudi Arabia is supporting the Sunni insurgents and al Qaeda in Iraq while they are slant drilling stealing Iraqi Oil! The Bush administration is funding al Qaeda in Lebanon! Everyone knows that the Saudi Royal Family is a family friend of Bushs and that puts him at odds with American national interest! Israeli Neocons are pushing the Bush administration to attack Iran. Afghanistan is falling apart because this administration has pulled assets from that theater of war. Israeli lobbying groups are selling access to American elected officials as you can see in their lobbying group advertisement below. Israeli Neocons are openly pushing our Elected officials to fight their wars in Proxy!
Follow the money do not take my word for it see how many in Congress are influenced by AIPAC money and how they are voting on Iraq!
http://www.aipac.org/forms/join_aipacClubs.htm
Bush Funds Al Qaeda here is the stream read it yourself!
http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/articles/070305fa_fact_hersh
Just copy up to the Hersh on the news stream this web site is adding a n on the end of the paste!
Congress America disdains your actions!
Write your Representatives and Senators! http://www.visi.com/juan/congress/
Here is the House Speakers email address: AmericanVoices@mail.house.gov
Posted by notblue
Accusations flew due to the total, criminal incompetence of the politicians in the Pentagon. Not the troops, the Dumsfeld's feith's, wolfowitz's. Let's see now; the war will be over, and we'll be out in 3 mos. It will only cost $55 billion, The Iraqi's will throw flowers at our feet. We know there are WMD's, there will be no civil war, yada, yada, yada, lies, lies, lies!!!!
Posted by WDRussell1
I believe Plan C is the MBA oath is it not?! That'e been my experience with the new gen "bungy" bosses!
Posted by WDRussell1 at 01:36 PM : Mar 05, 2007
That's true. All of his life this dumbas*s has screwed up everything he's touched and always needed someone (usually daddy) to come to his rescue or clean up after him. He's never had a single success of his own of any note and never will. The "man" is and always will by an incompetent as*shole.
the demonic-rats are like adams and give the fascist nazi muslims their lunch money......
republican plan:
the republicans are like jefferson and kick fascist nazi muslims arses.....
What Thomas Jefferson learned from the Muslim book of jihad
Thomas Jefferson knew about fascist nazi islam..... he killed plenty of them....
In 1786 Jefferson and John Adams went to negotiate with Tripoli's envoy to London, Ambassador Sidi Haji Abdrahaman or (Sidi Haji Abdul Rahman Adja). They asked him by what right he extorted money and took slaves. Jefferson reported to Secretary of State John Jay, and to the Congress:
The ambassador answered us that [the right] was founded on the Laws of the Prophet (Mohammed), that it was written in their Koran, that all nations who should not have answered their authority were sinners, that it was their right and duty to make war upon them wherever they could be found, and to make slaves of all they could take as prisoners, and that every Mussulman who should be slain in battle was sure to go to heaven.[1]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Barbary_War
http://www.usvetdsp.com/jan07/jeff_quran.htm
http://www.khouse.org/articles/2007/691/
http://www.earlyamerica.com/review/2002_winter_spring/terrorism.htm
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=+Thomas Jefferson barbary
http://http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q= Thomas Jefferson islam
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q= Thomas Jefferson muslim
Posted by bm6005 at 02:56 PM : Mar 05, 2007
It also explains the...ahem..."quality"...of his followers, like lars or singinslick. It's not only the blind leading the blind, it's the morons leading the morons.
Saudi Arabia is supporting the Sunni insurgents and al Qaeda in Iraq while they are slant drilling stealing Iraqi Oil! The Bush administration is funding al Qaeda in Lebanon! Everyone knows that the Saudi Royal Family is a family friend of Bushs and that puts him at odds with American national interest! Israeli Neocons are pushing the Bush administration to attack Iran. Afghanistan is falling apart because this administration has pulled assets from that theater of war. Israeli lobbying groups are selling access to American elected officials as you can see in their lobbying group advertisement below. Israeli Neocons are openly pushing our Elected officials to fight their wars in Proxy!
Follow the money do not take my word for it see how many in Congress are influenced by AIPAC money and how they are voting on Iraq!
http://www.aipac.org/forms/join_aipacClubs.htm
Bush Funds Al Qaeda here is the stream read it yourself!
http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/articles/070305fa_fact_hersh
Congress America disdains your actions!
Write your Representatives and Senators! http://www.visi.com/juan/congress/
Here is the House Speakers email address: AmericanVoices@mail.house.gov
What Thomas Jefferson learned from the Muslim book of jihad
Thomas Jefferson knew about fascist nazi islam..... he killed plenty of them....
In 1786 Jefferson and John Adams went to negotiate with Tripoli's envoy to London, Ambassador Sidi Haji Abdrahaman or (Sidi Haji Abdul Rahman Adja). They asked him by what right he extorted money and took slaves. Jefferson reported to Secretary of State John Jay, and to the Congress:
The ambassador answered us that [the right] was founded on the Laws of the Prophet (Mohammed), that it was written in their Koran, that all nations who should not have answered their authority were sinners, that it was their right and duty to make war upon them wherever they could be found, and to make slaves of all they could take as prisoners, and that every Mussulman who should be slain in battle was sure to go to heaven.[1]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Barbary_War
http://www.usvetdsp.com/jan07/jeff_quran.htm
http://www.khouse.org/articles/2007/691/
http://www.earlyamerica.com/review/2002_winter_spring/terrorism.htm
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=+Thomas Jefferson barbary
http://http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q= Thomas Jefferson islam
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q= Thomas Jefferson muslim
The Sunni are funded by Saudi Arabia the Bush Family friends. Bush is also funding Sunni al Qaeda in Lebanon in an Iran Contra style under the table financing scheme outside Congressional approval. The AIPAC supporters and Israeli Neocons believe that no American sacrifice is too great to promote their interest.
If you think Americas sacrifice is worth it contact your Republican Congress person and tell them http://www.visi.com/juan/congress/
Here is the House Speakers email address: AmericanVoices@mail.house.gov
Posted by figuy30 at 01:02 AM : Mar 06, 2007
????what the hell is wrong with you????
the threat to america over?????
the threat this part of the world poses to us is 2000% higher now then has ever been in the past...
especially if we don't try to help them.
(this is why we never should invaded them its impossible to help stabilize a region of the world that has been completely been made insane by RELIGION)(now that we have we are screwed)(i say impeech bush and put him on trial for war crimes in the sunni government system...maybe that will get them off our backs)
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