Cleric Alleges Torture After CIA Kidnap

Egyptian Man Abducted In Italy, Released From Prison In Egypt Shows "Scars Of Torture"

(CBS/AP)  An Egyptian cleric allegedly kidnapped by CIA agents off the streets of an Italian city and taken to Egypt said Thursday he was tortured in an Egyptian prison and that he wants to return to Italy.

Osama Hassan Mustafa Nasr, known as Abu Omar, made his first public appearance since he was released from Egyptian custody last week.

His torture allegations could fuel the controversy over the first criminal case involving the CIA's extraordinary rendition program, in which U.S. authorities secretly transferred terror suspects for interrogation to third countries where critics say they faced torture.

"I was subjected to the worst kind of torture in Egyptian prisons. I have scars of torture all over my body," Nasr told journalists after he made a surprise appearance at the trial of an Egyptian blogger accused of insulting Islam.

The blogger was convicted and sentenced to four years in prison by an Egyptian court. Abdel Kareem Nabil received three years in prison for insulting Islam and one year for insulting Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak.

Nasr, the 44-year-old, bearded Muslim preacher who showed up at the trial wearing a gray robe, showed dark scars on his wrists and ankles that he said were from electrical shocks by Egyptian interrogators. He said he had more scars on his stomach and other areas but was embarrassed to show them in a public place

He expressed fears that Egyptian security services would arrest him for speaking out. "I could be arrested the moment I leave here," he said at the court in the Mediterranean coastal city of Alexandria.

"I don't want trouble with anyone any more. My body cannot bear any more prison and torture," he said.

Italian prosecutors say Nasr was kidnapped from the streets of Milan in February 2003 by CIA agents with help from Italian agents. Last week, Italy indicted 25 American CIA agents and a U.S. Air Force lieutenant colonel, along with five Italian agents, for the alleged kidnapping.

After his abduction, Nasr was allegedly taken to Aviano Air Base near Venice, Ramstein Air Base in southern Germany, and then to Egypt for interrogation. He was held for four years, until he was freed by an Egyptian court that ruled his detention was "unfounded."

According to Italian officials, the cleric fought in Afghanistan and Bosnia and was suspected of recruiting fighters for radical Islamic causes. But Nasr's Egyptian lawyer Montasser al-Zayat has said Nasr had only traveled to Jordan, Yemen, Albania and Germany before entering Italy illegally in 1997.

A prosecutor in Milan, Guido Salvini, issued an arrest warrant for him in April 2005 as part of a terrorism investigation.

In Alexandria on Thursday, Nasr said he was innocent and wanted to return to Italy, where he was granted political asylum in 2001.

"I appeal to the Italians not to give up on me in the predicament I'm going through," he said. "I want to go back to Italy, but I'm banned from leaving Egypt. I want to go back and stand in front of the Italian judiciary and prove my innocence."

The Italian government has signaled it will not press Washington for the extradition of the 26 Americans for trial in Nasr's kidnapping, despite demands by the Milan prosecutors. The government is trying to avoid further souring Italian-US relations over the case. The Americans have all left Italy, and it is unlikely the United States would turn them over for prosecution even if Italy sought extradition.

Egyptian officials never publicly acknowledged Nasr's abduction or his detention in Egypt. They also have not publicly confirmed his country took part in renditions. But Egypt's Prime Minister Ahmed Nazif told NBC's "Meet the Press" in 2005 that "people have been sent" to Egypt but would not say how many or discuss their cases.

[lars008-2009]

I was talking today to a woman from Bosnia, she so many horrific inhuman things were dont by the Muslims to her people. She would only tell me a couple of what she thought was the least of the horrific things that were done... she said that the Muslims would take the pregnant women and asked them if they wanted to know what the *** of their baby is and even if the woman said NO, they would then proceed to cut the baby out of the womb then hold the baby up and tell the dying woman the *** of her baby... and to the men they would put him over a very sharp pointed stake, and eventually he wouldn't be able to hold his weight up and he would fall and impale himself through the bowels and die a horrific death...
These people say that Allah is all merciful, Allah will let people submit and live, but if they dont submit they die, simple...so we either submit or we die,, just as the quran says, and our leaders seem hell bent in putting us in more and more danger, they have allowed the enemy to not only get behind enemy lines but to multiply like flies... They have to deal with the fast growing ever increasing Muslim problem at home and in every country that they have adopted...all other religions come and live happily all except Islam,,
Posted by Gaye5 at 02:41 AM : Feb 22, 2007

[bluestardad]

So in the Libyan Fable it is told That once an Eagle, stricken with a dart, said, when he saw the fashion of the shaft, With our own feathers, not by others hands are we now smitten.
Aeschylus

[formrusmcsgt]

We all know you hate Muslims, lars. What I don't understand, with all that hate, is why don't you join your a$$ up so you can go to Iraq or Afghanistan and kill all the Muslims you want?

[skyk-2009]

They have to deal with the fast growing ever increasing Muslim problem at home and in every country that they have adopted...all other religions come and live happily all except Islam,,
Posted by Gaye5 at 02:41 AM : Feb 22, 2007

Posted by lars008 at 06:38 AM : Feb 22, 2007

Well Lars taking this into account with the history of our OWN Religious Extremist, you should be right there with us DEMANDING every nation put into place and enforce a strong seperation of church and state. You CLAIM to be offended by these actions yet I've never seen you make it clear that you thing the ENTIRE middle east should have what our founders referred to as the Seperation of Church and State. Could that be because YOU low life Fascist in this nation aren't FOR the Seperation of Church and State? Hummm Lars ol buddy? ROFLAMO

[lars008-2009]

don%u2019t you just love these stupid silly little fascist nazi Islamic muslims pretending to be liberal Americans%u2026%u2026 and begging for the usa to leave iraq%u2026..lol%u2026.. they must be really getting their arses kicked%u2026. hahahahahahaha

WE ALL KNOW U MUSLIMS ONLY DO WHAT YOUR MULLAS TELLS U..........RIGHT HAJI
Muslim mullas chanted "kill the Kafir!" (non-muslim).
A Hindu being beaten by Muslims in a mosque in Bangladesh. He was captured outside the mosque while going home. After Friday prayers were over, the Muslims came out and grabbed the first Hindu they could. Mr. Vimal Patak a Bangladeshi born Hindu was beaten to death with sticks as the Muslim mullas (priests) chanted "kill the Kafir!" (non-muslim). With folded hands he begged for his life and died a brutal death. It clearly show the cruelty of Islam. "
http://groups.msn.com/IslamicFury

http://www.faithfreedom.org/Gallery/10.htm

[formrusmcsgt]

We all know you hate Muslims, lars. What I don't understand, with all that hate, is why don't you join your a$$ up so you can go to Iraq or Afghanistan and kill all the Muslims you want?

[lars008-2009]

tring to justify fascist nazi islamic muslims killing civilians all over the world......

Islam and Nazism:
Similar ideologies, similar strategies
http://www.faithfreedom.org/Gallery/18.htm
http://www.tellthechildrenthetruth.com/

[formrusmcsgt]

I'm not trying to justify anything, lars. I'm asking why you don't man up and go kill these Muslims you hate so much.

[lars008-2009]

%u201CFixed fortifications are a monument to the stupidity of man.%u201D General George S. Patton

%u201CGive me an army of West Point graduates and I'll win a battle. Give me a handful of Texas Aggies, and I'll win the war.%u201D General George S. Patton

%u201CNo poor *** ever won a war by dying for his country. He won it by making other *** die for their country.%u201D General George S. Patton

%u201CI am a soldier, I fight where I am told, and I win where I fight.%u201D General George S. Patton

[formrusmcsgt]

As you refuse to answer the question directly and instead respond with qoutes, I assume that you think you make a bigger contribution trying to spread your hatred of Muslims.

[formrusmcsgt]

They have to deal with the fast growing ever increasing Muslim problem at home and in every country that they have adopted...all other religions come and live happily all except Islam,,
Posted by Gaye5 at 02:41 AM : Feb 22, 2007

Gaye obviously never heard of N. Ireland.....

[lars008-2009]

n ireland is not a religious war haji

[formrusmcsgt]

Some of your folks, lars?

RALEIGH, N.C. %u2014 A high school teacher allowed a group whose declared mission is to "raise an awareness of the danger of Islam" to distribute literature in his class, including a handout titled "Do Not Marry a Muslim Man," according to an advocacy group.

The father of a Muslim student reported the incident, said CAIR spokesman Ibrahim Hooper. The council wrote to Wake County schools Superintendent Del Burns asking that the incident be investigated and that the teacher be disciplined.

Burns had not received the letter, but an investigation is under way and officials will take appropriate disciplinary action, district spokeswoman Kristin Flenniken said.

[skyhawk761]

formruscsgt, people like lars008 only want to sit on the sidelines like their heros W and uncle Dicky. They don't have the ba!!s to fight for themselves.

[formrusmcsgt]

n ireland is not a religious war haji
Posted by lars008 at 08:11 AM : Feb 22, 2007

Catholics killing Protestants and Protestants killing Catholics just because of their religion is not a religious war?

What then would you call a religious war, lars?

[formrusmcsgt]

formruscsgt, people like lars008 only want to sit on the sidelines like their heros W and uncle Dicky. They don't have the ba!!s to fight for themselves.
Posted by skyhawk761 at 08:15 AM : Feb 22, 2007


I'm sure that those in N. Ireland would be surprised at lars' assessment that they were not engaged in a religious war, to say the least.

He is soooooo ignorant.

[formrusmcsgt]

For your edification lars,

The Troubles consisted of about 30 years of repeated acts of intense violence between elements of Northern Ireland's nationalist community (principally Roman Catholic) and unionist community (principally Protestant).

[antoniof123]

Why is it that the some people just do not get it. I mean when you kill it is wrong. Muslim are no worst then any other religion. Look at the killing in the name of god. Who was it that said many will kill in my name but you who are my followers do not do so. I believe it was Jesus. That is why so many say Christ yes, Christians no, because they will do anything to make people believe there way. Your Christ will come and judge you of that I am sure.

[lars008-2009]

go ahead haji.... talk to people from n ireland..... they will tell you it is not about religion haji..... i already have talked to them...

[lars008-2009]

antoniof123
is that what your mullah told you haji??

WE ALL KNOW U MUSLIMS ONLY DO WHAT YOUR MULLAS TELLS U..........RIGHT HAJI
Muslim mullas chanted "kill the Kafir!" (non-muslim).
A Hindu being beaten by Muslims in a mosque in Bangladesh. He was captured outside the mosque while going home. After Friday prayers were over, the Muslims came out and grabbed the first Hindu they could. Mr. Vimal Patak a Bangladeshi born Hindu was beaten to death with sticks as the Muslim mullas (priests) chanted "kill the Kafir!" (non-muslim). With folded hands he begged for his life and died a brutal death. It clearly show the cruelty of Islam. "
http://groups.msn.com/IslamicFury

http://www.faithfreedom.org/Gallery/10.htm

[formrusmcsgt]

go ahead haji.... talk to people from n ireland..... they will tell you it is not about religion haji..... i already have talked to them...
Posted by lars008 at 08:45 AM : Feb 22, 2007

I'll take Wikipedia over your say-so anytime, lars......

[skyhawk761]

lars008, you are correct that it is not ALL about religon, but that is a big part of it. Being of Irish heritage and still having relitives over there I think they know more about it than you do. It's hard to give anything you post credit because the majority of what you do is cut and paste. Try using that thing on the top of your shoulders for once and people might take you more seriously. I doubt it, but give it a try. Sheeple!

[lars008-2009]

i guess that explains why one of the founders of wiki left to start one that doesn't let just any idiot post to it....

[lars008-2009]

they would have still fought had they all been catholic or protestant........ the issue was that they were british........

[formrusmcsgt]

Try using that thing on the top of your shoulders for once and people might take you more seriously. I doubt it, but give it a try. Sheeple!
Posted by skyhawk761 at 08:55 AM : Feb 22, 2007

All he uses it for is to formulate insults and spew hatred.

[formrusmcsgt]

they would have still fought had they all been catholic or protestant........ the issue was that they were british........
Posted by lars008 at 08:58 AM : Feb 22, 2007

Say whatever you want lars, it doesn't change the fact that Protestants and Catholics slaughtered each other and each other's children in N. Ireland for decades.

[lars008-2009]

still trying to justify fascist nazi islamic muslims killing civilians all around the world........ good one haji....

[formrusmcsgt]

still trying to justify fascist nazi islamic muslims killing civilians all around the world........ good one haji....

Posted by lars008 at 09:04 AM : Feb 22, 2007

No lars, I am simply pointing out that religious slaughter is not unique to Muslims, but it is obviously beyond your adolescent grasp....

[lars008-2009]

rightttttttttttttttttttttt haji...
even if you were right about n ireland, which you are not..... on spot on the globe no way compares to all the spots on the globe fascist nazi islamic muslims are killing civilians..... tell that to your mullah....

lars008 aka singingrick wrote:

"go ahead haji.... talk to people from n ireland..... they will tell you it is not about religion haji..... i already have talked to them..."

Look lars008 (aka singingrick),

It was about a number of things - religion being one of them.

But you're too stupid to know anything about the troubles over there.

[formrusmcsgt]

tell that to your mullah....
Posted by lars008 at 09:10 AM : Feb 22, 2007

First of all lars, I am an atheist, not a Muslim. So I have no Mullah.

And like I said, I am simply pointing out that religious slaughter is not unique to Muslims, but it is obviously beyond your adolescent grasp....

[grumpas]

lars008: I assume the Israeli/Palestinian conflict basically isn't about religous differences either? No doubt the Yugoslavian problems weren't about religion either! Just because Christian's (Eastern Orthodox) were killing Muslims! After all it's a whole lot more palatiable for Christian's to call it "ethnic cleansing" than it is what it is "religious cleansing"! That sort of makes them less guilty of indulging in the same stupid nonsense religion has always been noted for. More people have died over their religious believes than for any other reason in history.

[formrusmcsgt]

That sort of makes them less guilty of indulging in the same stupid nonsense religion has always been noted for.
Posted by grumpas at 09:15 AM : Feb 22, 2007

It's virtually impossible to be self-righteous without be a hypocrite as well.....

[lars008-2009]

formrusmcsgt
don't brag about it too much skippy...

seems like atheist have slaughtered millons too, in russia, china, cambodia to mention but a few....

so again you excuse fascist nazi islamic muslims slaughtering civilians around the globe.... tightttttttt until it is your neck getting sawed off.......... hahahaha

[lars008-2009]

israel/islam conflict has been going on since mad-ham-mud....

And Mohammad ethnically cleansed the Jews from Medina:
http://libertyandculture.blogspot.com/2005/08/mohammeds-ethnic-cleansing.html

[skyhawk761]

It's hard for lars008 to comment on anything this early in the morning, Hannity and Limpbaugh haven't been on yet to give him his talking points. lars, do you believe uncle Dicky's claim that things are going better in Iraq because the Brits are pulling out? You know if he said it, it has to be true.

[formrusmcsgt]

seems like atheist have slaughtered millons too, in russia, china, cambodia to mention but a few....

Posted by lars008 at 09:27 AM : Feb 22, 2007

Atheist leaders have slaughtered people as well, but not based on religious zealotry, lars. They have murdered to further their politcal agenda.

Murder is murder, but you can't accuse atheists of it based on religios zealotry.

[formrusmcsgt]

do you believe uncle Dicky's claim that things are going better in Iraq because the Brits are pulling out? You know if he said it, it has to be true.
Posted by skyhawk761 at 09:32 AM : Feb 22, 2007

Lars surely believes it even though common sense would dictate that if it were not a straightforward withdrawal from Iraq, the Brits would re-deploy to Baghdad.

They're re-deploying to London, however......

[formrusmcsgt]

israel/islam conflict has been going on since mad-ham-mud....

Posted by lars008 at 09:29 AM : Feb 22, 2007

Before the Jews and Christians had Muslims to fight with, they fought each other, lars. They don't want any religious competition for souls....

[johnshaft4]

Indeed, freedom and democracy are on the march!
Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld must be brought before the World Court for war crimes and crimes against humanity (think Nuremberg).

[mitywhity]

This is not funny, but he could have gotten worse than that at his local Egyptian police station! Check out liveleak dot com if you want to see them in action. The detainees in the video were probably jaywalkers or something. Usually, if you are arrested for something serious they go ahead and beat your brains out right then and there. Stay the heck away from Egypt!

[lars008-2009]

actually it has been

non islam/islam conflict has been going on since mad-ham-mud....
And Mohammad ethnically cleansed the Jews from Medina:
http://libertyandculture.blogspot.com/2005/08/mohammeds-ethnic-cleansing.html

believe what i believe or my god say i can kill you.....

thou shall not kill........... sound familiar...

[navychief8]

lars008,

what is your deal? Just because someone has a different opinion than yours, doest not make them a "haji" as you say.

And you still have not answered formrusmcsgt. Why don't you put your money where your mouth is. I know some NAVY recruiters who can help you is you are interested...........

[lars008-2009]

Definitions of haji, hadji, hajji

an Arabic term of respect for someone who has made the pilgrimage to Mecca

[johnshaft4]

Lars-
I am telling your mother that you are playing with her computer again.

[navychief8]

lars008,

and I'm sre you mean it with complete respect.......

[lars008-2009]

how do you feel about kafir, infidel, satan.....

Muslim mullas chanted "kill the Kafir!" (non-muslim).
A Hindu being beaten by Muslims in a mosque in Bangladesh. He was captured outside the mosque while going home. After Friday prayers were over, the Muslims came out and grabbed the first Hindu they could. Mr. Vimal Patak a Bangladeshi born Hindu was beaten to death with sticks as the Muslim mullas (priests) chanted "kill the Kafir!" (non-muslim). With folded hands he begged for his life and died a brutal death. It clearly show the cruelty of Islam. "
http://groups.msn.com/IslamicFury

http://www.faithfreedom.org/Gallery/10.htm

[Syndicate]

JohnShaft4: The world court is illegal under the US constitution.

[pwrslm]

In 1915, the Ottoman Government began an action that resulted in the deaths of 1.5 million Armenaia who were non-muslims. Hitler sought to repeat thier actions against the Jews, because very little was dont to the Islamic Kaliphate for the genocide.

Again in East Timor, 150,000 Christians were executed by an Islamic based military force from Indonesia. The politically corrected version turns that act into the acts of a tyrant who controlled the Islamic military in Indonesia, but tyrants dont force good men to do evil deeds, and the slaughter of the East Timorese was rapid, women and children, and done in a religious fevor according to survivors. That action occured in 1991.

These events are astounding, but nothing abnormal. Muslims act by decree of thier Koran when these things happen, and such acts follow the examples of the Islamic patriarch, Mohammad. The bloody expansion of Islam is such that there is no nation that is considered Islamic today that did not get that way except through threats, intimidation, and bloodshed.

No, Bush is not a tyrant, his actions take into purspective far more than the average person ever considers.

Even this cleric in this article I find hard to believe. This is atypical of muslims, conspiracy theorists have to feed on this stuff, yet, even the Arab Governments will not disclose any corroborating evidence of his story.