WASHINGTON, Feb. 22, 2007

Small Children In Detention Centers

Awaiting, With Their Families, Action On Their Immigration Status

    • Children playing cards at the T. Don Hutto Residential Center in Taylor, Texas, Feb. 9, 2007. The detention facility houses families, including children, awaiting action on their immigration status. Photo

      Children playing cards at the T. Don Hutto Residential Center in Taylor, Texas, Feb. 9, 2007. The detention facility houses families, including children, awaiting action on their immigration status.  (AP/Dept. Of Homeland Security)

    • A computer class for children – part of the 20-hour per week educational program for immigrant boys and girls who are being held at the T. Don Hutto Residential Center in Taylor, Texas, Feb. 9, 2007. Photo

      A computer class for children – part of the 20-hour per week educational program for immigrant boys and girls who are being held at the T. Don Hutto Residential Center in Taylor, Texas, Feb. 9, 2007.  (AP/Dept. Of Homeland Security)

    • A guard holds open a door during a media tour of the T. Don Hutto Residential Center in Taylor, Texas, Feb. 9, 2007, about 30 miles northeast of Austin. Photo

      A guard holds open a door during a media tour of the T. Don Hutto Residential Center in Taylor, Texas, Feb. 9, 2007, about 30 miles northeast of Austin.  (AP Photo/LM Otero/Pool)

    • A children's swing near the security fence at the T. Don Hutto Residential Center in Taylor, Texas, Feb. 9, 2007, a former jail which is run by Corrections Corporation of America, according to CCA's website. Photo

      A children's swing near the security fence at the T. Don Hutto Residential Center in Taylor, Texas, Feb. 9, 2007, a former jail which is run by Corrections Corporation of America, according to CCA's website.  (AP Photo/LM Otero/Pool)

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(CBS/AP)  Immigrant families, many with small children, are allegedly being kept in jail-like conditions in Texas and Pennsylvania, according to advocacy groups who say the Texas facility is inhumane and should be shut down.

In a report being released Thursday, the groups seek the immediate closing of the T. Don Hutto Residential Center, about 30 miles northeast of Austin. The center, which opened in May, used to be a jail and is operated by Corrections Corporation of America, the nation's largest owner and operator of for-profit prisons and other detention facilities – so many that CCA is in its own right the fifth largest operator of prisons in the U.S., following the federal government and three states.

The groups issuing the report - Lutheran Immigration and Refugee Services and the Women's Commission for Refugee Women and Children – say their findings are based on their members' visits and interviews with detainees, many of whom cried as they told their stories.

At the Hutto site, according to the report, a child secretly passed a visitor a note that read: "Help us and ask us questions."

"What hits you the hardest in there is that it's a prison. In Hutto, it's a prison," said Michelle BranDe, detention and asylum project director for Women's Commission for Refugee Women and Children.

The two groups also investigated conditions at the Berks County Shelter Care facility, a former nursing home in Leesport, Pa., about 50 miles southwest of Allentown.

The report says Berks, compared to Hutto, is "less jail-like," with a better education system for children and field trips for families. But it also has problems, the groups said. It is part of a larger juvenile facility housing U.S. citizens charged with or convicted of crimes and detained juveniles.

The groups are suggesting that families who are not found to be a security risk should be released. They also recommend less punitive alternatives to the detention centers, such as parole, electronic bracelets and shelters run by nonprofit groups.

"Unless there's some crime or some danger, families don't belong in detention," said Ralston H. Deffenbaugh, president of the Lutheran Immigration and Refugee Service. "This whole idea of trying to throw kids and their parents in a penal-like situation is destructive of all the normal family relationships we take for granted."

The Homeland Security Department defends the centers as a workable solution to the problem of illegal immigrants being released, only to disappear while awaiting hearings. Also, they deter smugglers who endanger children, said Mark Raimondi, spokesman for Immigration and Customs Enforcement, the DHS division that oversees detention facilities.

"ICE's detention facilities maintain safe, secure and humane conditions and invest heavily in the welfare of the detained alien population," Raimondi said.

White House press secretary Tony Snow said last week that finding facilities for families is difficult, and "you have to do the best with what you've got."

Other findings by the groups:

  • At Hutto – which according to the AP, housed some 200 children as of early February - cell door systems prevent parents from attending to children after "lights out." At the Berks shelter, children over 5 sleep separately from their parents.

  • Until recently, Hutto children were given one hour of schooling a day, five days a week. That was recently increased to four hours.

  • Teachers at the Hutto center are not required to be licensed in Texas and the state's family welfare agency exempted Hutto from child care licensing requirements.

  • Separation and threats of separation were used as tools to discipline both adults and children.


    The Department of Homeland Security opened the Hutto center after Congress criticized the agency's separation of migrant children from their parents.

    The detention centers are operated without official regulations. Immigration and Customs Enforcement relies on custody rules designed for inmates.

    The Pennsylvania center - the Berks County Shelter Care Facility - has about 84 beds and the Texas facility can house up to 512 people. The groups fear that government will expand detentions in similar facilities.

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    by mortifyd February 22, 2007 3:39 AM PST
    They're illegals they should be in prison until we can ship them right back. We have ways to immigrate legally into this country and plenty of people use those channels to reach America.

    To allow Mexicans and other south american nationals to just walk in any time they feel like it is a slap to the face of the people who did it the LEGAL way.
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    by coffeehead-2009 February 22, 2007 4:22 AM PST
    There are TONS of "detention" centers that have been built *by haliburton* -
    they are very "secretive" and "privatized"...
    and there are way more cells waiting to be filled. Like cattle led to slaughter by masters holding golden nose rings....

    Hundreds and hundreds of camps.....
    NWO requires intrication of ALL nationals so how long will "immigrants" be the only ones living like this? and are they?

    Camps For Citizens: Ashcroft's Hellish Vision
    Atty. Gen. John Ashcroft's announced desire for camps for U.S. citizens he deems to be "enemy combatants" has moved him from merely being a political embarrassment to being a constitutional menace.

    Foundations are in place for martial law in the US
    Recent pronouncements from the Bush Administration and national security initiatives put in place in the Reagan era could see internment camps and martial law in the United States.



    http://www.greatdreams.com/concentration-camp-locations.htm
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    by halestormcc February 22, 2007 7:21 AM PST
    My wife is Canadian - I am American.
    We paid thousands of dollars to legally move my wife to the US. Background checks, doctor physicals, paperwork, trips to the immigration office...All legally. We still have more to pay, for paperwork. Am I bitter when some illegal gets a special pass? No.
    It does make me wonder why we do the right thing though - when illegals are treated special.
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    by gunownerdan February 22, 2007 7:32 AM PST
    In order to maximize profits, the prison industry must get all the inmates they can find. It's the American way. Welcome to Nazi America! Have your papers ready at all times and you will live.
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    by bwright923 February 22, 2007 7:39 AM PST
    The story takes a while to get around to the fact that they are ILLIGAL immigrants and makes it like they are innocent people comming over ellis isle style insted of sneeking in during the dead of night. They should be kept for a SHORT time while their case is ifficiently run through and then shipped back to wherever they came from.
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    by gunownerdan February 22, 2007 7:39 AM PST
    By the way, these new "detention facilities"(concentration camps) were built by none other than KBR - a branch of Vice President *** Cheney's old company HALLIBURTON.
    Indeed, we are living in the "MILITARY INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX" that Eisenhower warned us about so many years ago.

    "Naturally, the common people don't want war, but
    after all, its the leaders of a country who determine the policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag people along whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. This is easy, All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifist for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in every country."
    -- Hermann Goering, Adolf Hitler's Reich-Marshall
    at the Nuremberg Trials after WWII
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    by gunownerdan February 22, 2007 7:43 AM PST
    bwright923- "The story takes a while to get around to the fact that they are ILLIGAL immigrants and makes it like they are innocent people..."

    "The story takes a while to get around to the fact that they are COMMUNISTS and makes it like they are innocent people..."
    -- Good german citizen from 1934


    "In Germany, the Nazis first came for the communists,
    and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a communist.
    Then they came for the Jews,
    and I didn't speak up because I wasn't Jewish.
    Then they came for the trade unionist,
    and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade
    unionist.
    Then they came for the Catholics,
    and I didn't speak up because I was a Protestant,
    Then they came for the homosexuals,
    and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a homosexual,
    Then they came for me,
    and by that time there was no one left to speak for
    me."
    -- Rev. Martin Niemoeller, German Lutheran Pastor
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    by gunownerdan February 22, 2007 7:48 AM PST
    No terrorist on earth can ever destroy America and our freedom, but the government sure can.
    Well over 150 MILLION defenseless civilians were murdered by their own governments during the 20th century alone.
    The only way America can avoid such a horrible fate is if we BRING BACK THE BILL OF RIGHTS!
    Read it, learn it, and LIVE it.
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    by gunownerdan February 22, 2007 8:00 AM PST
    "In America, the government first came for the illegal immigrants, and I didn't say anything because I'm not an illegal.....is it going to end here? History says the government will find others to throw into these new concentration camps.
    Are YOU prepared?
    http://www.a-human-right.com/effective.html

    "Today, we need a nation of Minutemen, citizens who are not only prepared to take arms, but citizens who regard the preservation of freedom as the basic purpose of their daily life and who are willing to consciously work and sacrifice for that freedom."

    - President John F. Kennedy
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    by olebd February 22, 2007 8:24 AM PST
    Maybe these illegal parents should have thought out the consequences of their plan a little better before dragging their kids along with them while they break laws.

    The only solution needed here is to streamline the system and get them the he11 back to where they came from more expediantly.



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    by sasi1-2009 February 22, 2007 8:28 AM PST
    I think everyone misses the point here. Their parents are the guilty parties. The U.S. government did not bring these kids into this country, and then incarcerate them. Allowing anyone to enter this country illegally without punishment is like issuing a welcome to any terrorist who wishes to come.
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    by olebd February 22, 2007 8:28 AM PST
    THEY'RE SUFFERING?? Give me a break. What about all the money that is being diverted to teach children of illegals English as a second language? Free healthcare? Free food?

    OUR children are the ones being deprived by the PC system as we cater to the whim of illegals.
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    by antoniof123 February 22, 2007 8:47 AM PST
    Hey people they are kids or did no one read that. Yes, family values at work, Haliburton builds the detention centers so we can put KIDS in them. Way to go people your fears will drive you insane. I hope my children learn something from the rest of you morons, like not how to act. Of course you are fine with the fact that we are sending young men and women to Iraq to kill more kids. I am not nor was I ever, this is the worst of the worst in America.
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    by coffeehead-2009 February 22, 2007 9:00 AM PST


    An article by Anton Chaitkin, quoted in the book, states that
    "professionals probing the child victims of 'Monarch' say there are
    clearly two responsible elements at work: the government/military,
    and cooperating satanic (or more exactly pagan) cults. These are
    multi-generation groups, whose parents donate their own
    children--who are proudly called 'bloodline' or simply 'blood'
    cultists--to be smashed with drugs and electric shock and shaped.
    Other children are kidnapped and sold into this hell, or are
    brought in gradually through day care situations.

    "Paul Bonacci and other child victims have given evidence in great
    depth on the central role of Lt. Col. Michael Aquino in this
    depravity," continues Chaitkin. "Aquino, alleged to have recently
    retired from an active military role, was long the leader of an
    Army psychological warfare section which drew on his 'expertise'
    and personal practices in brainwashing, Satanism, Nazism,
    homosexual pedophilia and murder." DeCamp's victory in court and
    the million dollar judgement is a vindication of mind control
    survivors Paul Bonacci, Alisha Owens and others who were falsely
    imprisoned to keep them from testifying against their abusers.

    Police and FBI Cover-Up
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    by coffeehead-2009 February 22, 2007 9:00 AM PST
    Note - DeCamp is dead.



    Monarch Project

    The horrendous Monarch Project "refers to young people in America
    who were victims of mind control experiments run either by U.S.
    government agencies such as the Central Intelligence Agency or
    military intelligence agencies," writes DeCamp. "The story told by
    Monarch victims--one of whom was Paul Bonacci--is that they were
    tortured for the purpose of creating 'multiple personalities'
    within them," DeCamp continues from his book. "These multiple
    personalities could then be programmed--as spies, 'drug mules,'
    prostitutes or assassins."
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    by pghlady3 February 22, 2007 10:16 AM PST
    If they are inhumane, send all the people in them back to Mexico, tell them if they come back in illegally, they will go to prison forever. My relatives went thru the immigration process and became legal citizens, and learned to speak english. If they dont want to do that SEND THEM BACK TO WHERE THEY CAME FROM.
    In the imortal words of Andy Rooney: "I believe that if you are selling me a milkshake, a pack of cigarettes, a newspaper or a hotel room, you must do it in English! As a matter of fact, if you want to be an American citizen, you should have to speak English!

    My father and grandfather didn't die in vain so you can leave the countries you were born in to come over and disrespect ours.

    I think the police should have every right to shoot your sorry *** if you threaten them after they tell you to stop. If you can't understand the word "freeze" or "stop" in English, see the above lines."
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    by dragonmouse-2009 February 22, 2007 10:49 AM PST
    Hello...they are illegally here. Pack them and their parents up and send them HOME. If they want to come in the RIGHT way they will be welcomed.

    They are NOT suffering. They have free food, clothing, shelter, education...so far they must be doing better than they were in their country. If they don't like it they can return the same way they got here. I really don't understand why we're detaining them. If they're here illegally send them back.

    Shucks...it sounds like they have it better than citizens who were on the airplane for 11 hours.
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    by sasi1-2009 February 22, 2007 10:49 AM PST
    "Hey people they are kids or did no one read that. Yes, family values at work, Haliburton builds the detention centers so we can put KIDS in them. Way to go people your fears will drive you insane. I hope my children learn something from the rest of you morons, like not how to act. Of course you are fine with the fact that we are sending young men and women to Iraq to kill more kids. I am not nor was I ever, this is the worst of the worst in America.
    Posted by antoniof123 at 08:47 AM : Feb 22, 2007"

    Yes, we realize they are kids, but we didn't put them in harm's way! You don't seem to feel the parents have any responsibility for their own kids. You are the type who probably thinks kids should be removed from their own homes whenever the DFS deems necessary, and often to the detriment of the kids. AND, NO, I don't think our service men and women should be in Iraq. I've opposed this war from day one. Don't confuse the two issues.
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    by mdmx66 February 22, 2007 10:57 AM PST
    Maybe we should put the families up in the Holiday Inn with restaurant vouchers and hire spanish speaking tutors to keep the kids up to speed while INS sorts this whole thing out.
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    by bellal-2009 February 22, 2007 11:11 AM PST
    What DOES the govt. of Mexico have to say about all of this. They apparently don't want their own citizens they pawn them off on us and refuse to let us do more business down there to create jobs for their masses. They are a terrible country for abandoning their citizenry.
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    by gunownerdan February 22, 2007 11:33 AM PST
    I wonder when YOUR kids will be thrown into these camps. It has happened before and it could happen again!
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    by hvac1000 February 22, 2007 11:36 AM PST
    Our best solution is to send them all back from whence they came. the American pie is getting smaller every day as we are being forced to pay for all there care. This is so simple.
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    by agnim February 22, 2007 12:34 PM PST
    PUNISHING THE CHILDREN FOR THE ALLEGED "SINS" OF THE PARENTS WE ARE DOING? SICKENING!

    THE CHILDREN SHOULD NOT BE IN PRISON!
    THEY HAVE COMMITTED NO CRIMES!
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    by agnim February 22, 2007 12:34 PM PST
    PUNISHING THE CHILDREN FOR THE ALLEGED "SINS" OF THE PARENTS WE ARE DOING? SICKENING!

    THE CHILDREN SHOULD NOT BE IN PRISON!
    THEY HAVE COMMITTED NO CRIMES!

    How many of those children are actually AMERICAN CITIZENS?
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    by hotks February 22, 2007 1:51 PM PST
    I think the biggest issue surrounding immigration is the blatant iggnorance, and lack of compassion. I don't know if anyone has ever read the Panopticon but im sure most of you have read 1984. That is what our society is becoming absolute control and management over human life. We are detaining other HUMAN BEINGS, those that eat sleep dream breath and love just like all of us. We are condeming them to live in inhuman condtions for the sake of capitalist "ambitions" our society has truely lost sight of America is. Evreyone of us came here "illegally" i mean hell we started a war because we were sick of the country we were orignally from. The point of America was to be a free land of open borders where the rejected and persecuted people of other societies could come and make a new life. Now in our new age we have become nothing more then a colonialst, oppressive super-power like great brittan was.

    We use terms like Alien for the tired and hungry that want a restart, we label citizenship in legal terms as opposed to what someone in a "free" land can bring to our society. All of you who call them illegal and think they should be restricted from coming to American, need to take your own advice and hop on the next plane out of the country. It is time we remember we are human it is time we remember what America was made for and stop detaining people based on nationality and let the melting pot melt.
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    by hotks February 22, 2007 2:00 PM PST
    Mdmx66 your idea about hiring spanish speaking tutor, while for you maybe sarcasm, is not a bad idea. Providing education to people...for free? wow what a concept, i mean if we spent money on that where would the money for our prisons and bombs be!!! *** it if they aren't American by law they dont deserve our education because it costs us money! and my money is soo much more important then your lively hood.

    Think about it waste money on keeping kids and parents in prison, where they don't learn anything or spend that money on education to help make the world better and make people smarter seems good to me.

    And for all of you capitalist gurus out there, think about it educated people contribute to the economy, while uneducated people take wellfare checks. So if you really beleived all that cap good B.S. then you would to create an education reform for immigrants.

    stop thinking in terms of legal and illegal.
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    by frankbowers February 22, 2007 2:57 PM PST
    I just for a moment wish the civil liberities attorneys had to just one moment compete with the illegal for work.They come here and take up the class room from the American Kids who have paid for them and the illegal then demand we teach them English at our expense.
    If we let them out while pending their hearing we will neve hear from them.That is why they are there they had skipped out.
    I think the prison is the correct place for them.
    Sad as it is gw bush has given our freedoms to them and taken our away. How sad.
    The kids probably are Americans as they probably were bourn at tax payers expense to and illegal woman and man.Many get the birth certificate get their freebies and go back to Mexico and live like Queens while the kids here are short changed of their aid.
    They need to be shot or sent home which ever would not bother me. The Best of Good Byes from Texas and Frank Bowers
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    by apndrgn February 22, 2007 4:13 PM PST
    I always wondered where those little license plates for bicycles came from...
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    by apndrgn February 22, 2007 4:27 PM PST
    We are spending billions on a space program to find alien life, and when it gets here we incarcerate it. Sometimes they just magnetically align a planette from the keiper belt and drop it on places like texas after beaming all the kids out of the jails. It creates a redneck employment vacuum and gets rid of all their white trash at the same time. how? ironic.
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    by me4prezz February 22, 2007 6:01 PM PST
    What are the crimes of the children? That their parents moved them to a new country or delivered them in a new country? Or are we forgetting that this country was founded by immigrants and that the only "true" Americans were the Native Americans. We are ALL here as immigrants in some way, shape or form and perhaps we should stop being so much like the countries we invade and tell them to stop doing and that is punishing the unfortunate for crimes of what? Living. "....that a country should first make thieves and then punish them"..... What a hippocritical country we have become!
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    by mdmx66 February 22, 2007 8:09 PM PST
    What a hippocritical country we have become!
    Posted by me4prezz at 06:01 PM : Feb 22, 2007

    What hypocracy it is to allow illegals entry and legals wait for many years. Or maybe we should just open the flood gates and let anyone come. We can flood the system with immigrants and break the entire nation. No govt. No laws. No IRS. No DSHS. No USDOL, USDOD, USDOT, USDO.... We can just drown in illegal immigration so people like you don't feel any guilt for living in a rich country. Will that make you feel better?
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    by mdmx66 February 22, 2007 8:14 PM PST
    stop thinking in terms of legal and illegal.
    Posted by hotks at 02:00 PM : Feb 22, 2007

    Guess what hotks, America is for Americans and the guests we choose to let in. Somehow that must have went over your head in school. If the kids of illegal immigrants need to be educated why don't they enroll them in their country of origin instead of trying to drag them here to live the "Hollywood Dream" of a rockin good time in America. How about we demand Mexico start taking care of their own citizens and crack down on corruption. How about if your so concerned about Mexicans citizens you aren't down there volunteering your time for the poor of Mexico.
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    by mdmx66 February 22, 2007 8:16 PM PST
    Think about it waste money on keeping kids and parents in prison, where they don't learn anything or spend that money on education to help make the world better and make people smarter seems good to me. Posted by hotks at 02:00 PM : Feb 22, 2007


    How's life in la la land, hotks.

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    by mdmx66 February 22, 2007 8:20 PM PST
    THE CHILDREN SHOULD NOT BE IN PRISON!
    THEY HAVE COMMITTED NO CRIMES!
    Posted by Agnim at 12:34 PM : Feb 22, 2007


    Well, what do you want to do with them send them to an Illegal Alien orphanage. Actually that's not a bad idea. Deport the kids to an American run orphanage in Mexico and the parents will follow. Brilliant.
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    by mdmx66 February 22, 2007 8:25 PM PST
    Isn't it ironic that Americans care more about the children of Mexico than Mexican citizens do. Are you really so naive as to think that there are no rich people in Mexico. They don't want the poor people, they don't like the poor people, they think they are peasant peon slaves. They think it's funny that we take them in and feed, clothe, house and educate their dregges of society. Mexico should be ashamed.
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    by pakaal February 22, 2007 9:51 PM PST
    "Are you really so naive as to think that there are no rich people in Mexico. They don't want the poor people, they don't like the poor people, they think they are peasant peon slaves."

    Hmm, sort of mirrors what the rich think of the poor in the US too. Guess that kinda explains what we're doing throwing little kids in jail, huh? Well at least it's a "for profit" prison so they can hopefully get around all those annoying child labor laws and put those kids to work!
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    by mdmx66 February 22, 2007 10:13 PM PST
    Hmm, sort of mirrors what the rich think of the poor in the US too.Posted by pakaal at 09:51 PM : Feb 22, 2007

    You think so. We aren't sending our poor to other countries begging for services.
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    by agnim February 22, 2007 10:59 PM PST
    "Deport the kids to an American run orphanage in Mexico and the parents will follow. Brilliant.
    Posted by mdmx66 at 08:20 PM : Feb 22, 2007"

    LOL

    There is that small problem of deporting AMERICANS!
    No doubt many of those children are Americans by birth, just like you.

    Maybe we could DEPORT YOU back to where you originated; then your problems with who remains in this land will cease to be a bother for you.
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    by mdmx66 February 22, 2007 11:16 PM PST
    No doubt many of those children are Americans by birth, just like you.Posted by Agnim at 10:59 PM : Feb 22, 2007


    No not just like me, I was born to legal American citizens.
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    by mdmx66 February 22, 2007 11:19 PM PST
    Maybe we could DEPORT YOU back to where you originated...

    You don't even want to know how far back you'd have to go. This is a country Agnim, not a dumping ground.
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    by mdmx66 February 22, 2007 11:22 PM PST
    then your problems with who remains in this land will cease to be a bother for you.
    Posted by Agnim at 10:59 PM : Feb 22, 2007


    It's not just my problem, it's all of our problem. We have laws and they're not being enforced. If YOU care so much about the illegal immigrants why don't YOU go to Mexico and volunteer YOUR time to the poor citizens of Mexico.
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    by lestb35 February 22, 2007 11:26 PM PST
    Fine, keep the anchor baby kids here and deport the parents. Then maybe they'll think twice about coming here to have their kids for free.
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    by mdmx66 February 22, 2007 11:34 PM PST
    OK, make the orphanages on this side.
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    by gunownerdan February 23, 2007 7:37 AM PST
    "In Germany, the Nazis first came for the communists,
    and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a communist.
    Then they came for the Jews,
    and I didn't speak up because I wasn't Jewish.
    Then they came for the trade unionist,
    and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade
    unionist.
    Then they came for the Catholics,
    and I didn't speak up because I was a Protestant,
    Then they came for the homosexuals,
    and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a homosexual,
    Then they came for me,
    and by that time there was no one left to speak for
    me."
    -- Rev. Martin Niemoeller, German Lutheran Pastor
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