9 Dead In Tanker Attack North Of Baghdad

Noxious Plumes Engulf Homes; Death Toll In Baghdad Area Tops 100 Since Sunday

(CBS/AP)  A hidden bomb ripped through a tanker carrying chlorine gas Tuesday, killing nine people and filling hospital beds with more than 150 wheezing and frightened villagers after noxious plumes covered homes and schools north of Baghdad.

The attack was part of a string of blasts — including a suicide bomber who killed seven mourners at a funeral — that further rattled officials marking the first week of a major security crackdown seeking to calm the blood-soaked city. U.S. forces, meanwhile, called in air strikes during intense clashes against insurgents in strongholds northwest of Baghdad.

With the death toll in the Baghdad area climbing above 100 since Sunday, Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki tried to court some rare upbeat publicity with an even rarer event — leaving his heavily guarded quarters for a visit to the city's streets and markets.

The fanfare of the security plan's launch Feb. 14 has been swept aside by a steady roll of attacks, most blamed on Sunni extremists targeting the majority Shiites. Many Sunnis believe they are being sidelined by al-Maliki's government and under growing threat from Shiite militias, which the prime minister refuses to confront.

The bombing of the tanker took place near Taji, 12 miles northwest of Baghdad. A military spokesman, Brig. Gen. Qassim Moussawi, said a bomb was planted under the tanker, but it was not known whether it had a timer or was remotely detonated. His remarks contradicted earlier reports that a roadside bomb blew up the truck.

Hospitals were soon flooded with terrified people — including many children — complaining of breathing problems, vomiting and stinging eyes. Most of the people treated were released after several hours and there was no apparent life-threatening cases, hospital officials said.

Chlorine gas in low exposure irritates the respiratory system, eyes and skin. Higher levels can lead to accumulation of fluid in the lungs and other symptoms, and death is possible with heavy exposure, according to the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

Authorities were left questioning whether the bombing could signal a new tactic by militants to try to spread greater panic with chemical fallout.

The attacks in the capital began during the busy morning rush for goods and fuel.

A car rigged with explosives tore through a line of vehicles at a gas station in the Sadiyah district in southwestern Baghdad. At least six people were killed and 14 wounded, police said. The neighborhood is mixed between Shiites and a Sunni minority.

Later, a suicide attacker drove a bomb-laden car into a vegetable market near a Shiite enclave in southern Baghdad. At least five people were killed and seven injured, police said. The same market in the mostly Sunni Dora district was targeted last month by three car bombs that killed 10 people.

The suicide blast at the funeral came after the mourners filled a tent in a mostly Shiite district of eastern Baghdad. The attacker, wearing a belt packed with explosives, also left 15 people wounded.

In other developments:

Prime Minister Tony Blair will announce on Wednesday a new timetable for the withdrawal of British troops from Iraq, with 1,500 to return home in several weeks, the BBC reported. Blair will also tell the House of Commons during his regular weekly appearance before it that a total of about 3,000 British soldiers will have left southern Iraq by the end of 2007, if the security there is sufficient, the British Broadcasting Corp. said, quoting government officials who weren't further identified.

Statistics show states with small populations like Delaware are bearing a disproportionate burden of the Iraq war. According to an Associated Press analysis, Vermont ranks first in the nation in terms of the number of Iraq casualties in comparison to the population of the state. South Dakota is second, followed by Alaska, North Dakota, Nebraska, Wyoming, Delaware, Montana, Louisiana and Oregon. Small towns are also quietly bearing a disproportionate burden of war.

A U.S. soldier pleaded guilty Tuesday to rape and murder in the death of a 14-year-old girl and her family last year in Iraq. A judge has not yet accepted the plea. The military court still must decide whether the killings were premeditated and will hear evidence Wednesday. The court will consider whether Sgt. Paul E. Cortez of Barstow, Calif., should be found guilty of premeditated murder and whether he is guilty of conspiracy to commit premeditated murder, defense lawyer William Cassara said Tuesday.

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by lars008-2009 February 21, 2007 8:12 AM EST

'Obsession'
Documentary gives insight into radical Islam%u2019s global threat
http://www.foxnews.com/video2/launchPage.html?110506/110506_fnl_obsession&%27Obsession%27&FNL&Documentary%20gives%20insight%20into%20radical%20Islam%92s%20global%20threat&Foxlife&-1&%27Obsession%27&Video%20Launch%20Page&News
http://www.obsessionthemovie.com/12min.htm
http://myspace.com/waragainstthewest
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3BL4-mxE87w
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUpcpEQtgp4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7BUqXSeCDJc

this is the real threat to humanity.....
http://stopislam.cjb.net/

Terrorism Awareness Project to wake up Americans and the World
http://www.terrorismawareness.org/
http://www.terrorismawareness.org/islamic-mein-kampf

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by lars008-2009 February 21, 2007 8:11 AM EST

here's your enemy skippy..... try to remember that..... there will be a test later....
UK TV AIRS SHOCK 'UNDERCOVER' LOOK INTO MAINSTREAM BRIT MOSQUES...
Dispatches: Undercover Mosque
This is part one of the much-anticipated UK Channel 4 documentary Dispatches: Undercover Mosque, exposing evidence of Islamic supremacism, shocking misogyny, and support for violence at a number of Britain%u2019s leading mosques and Muslim institutions. (Thanks again to LGF operative kasper.)
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=24018_Dispatches-_Undercover_Mosque&only

Dispatches - Undercover Mosque (1 to 6)
UK Channel 4, aired 15th January 2007.
Radicalisation of UK mosques by Saudi Wahabbism
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Dispatches+- Undercover Mosque
http://youtube.com/watch?v=peFQWuk4nuo
http://youtube.com/watch?v=MuCLC8kjWCI
http://youtube.com/watch?v=x5t5EqWX92k
http://youtube.com/watch?v=yMztM0Z7BYE
http://youtube.com/watch?v=V4Zv3BUmwqs
http://youtube.com/watch?v=KvjvNScmTQA

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by feelfree1 February 21, 2007 4:21 AM EST

obiquital,

Allow me to re-post a recent quote from a brave Iraqi woman. It appears to be addressed to you as well.

"And yet, as the situation continues to deteriorate both for Iraqis inside and outside of Iraq, and for Americans inside Iraq, Americans in America are still debating on the state of the war and occupation- are they winning or losing? Is it better or worse."

"Let me clear it up for any moron with lingering doubts: It%u2019s worse. It%u2019s over. You lost. You lost the day your tanks rolled into Baghdad to the cheers of your imported, American-trained monkeys. You lost every single family whose home your soldiers violated. You lost every sane, red-blooded Iraqi when the Abu Ghraib pictures came out and verified your atrocities behind prison walls as well as the ones we see in our streets. You lost when you brought murderers, looters, gangsters and militia heads to power and hailed them as Iraq%u2019s first democratic government. You lost when a gruesome execution was dubbed your biggest accomplishment. You lost the respect and reputation you once had. You lost more than 3000 troops. That is what you lost America. I hope the oil, at least, made it worthwhile."

http://riverbendblog.blogspot.com/

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by feelfree1 February 21, 2007 4:21 AM EST

obiquital,

Re: "The thoughts of 2 people are not enough to justify what an entire population believes."

Do these boys have a right to defend themselves?

Re: "I'd say the regular people of Iraq would rather have America there trying to keep the peace than not."

Say whatever you like, but a clear majority of Iraqi opinion wants the U.S. out, and a majority of Iraqis even support attacks on U.S. troops.

Can you blame them? Don't they have the right to defend themselves?

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by middleman8 February 21, 2007 4:15 AM EST

Any one who believes the U S is not responsible for the killings in Iraq would believe that the person who would blow up a dam is not responsible for the water running out.

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by obiquital February 21, 2007 4:04 AM EST

"How would you explain that to the 2 younger brothers of the 14 year old Iraqi girl that was gang-raped and then executed by U.S. troops, along with the rest of their family?"

The thoughts of 2 people are not enough to justify what an entire population believes.

"How would you explain that to the friends and families of the half-million plus Iraqis that have already died as a result of this illegal and disgraceful misadventure?"

Based on studies done, only around 18% of the Iraqi deaths are attributed to Coalition forces. Around 600,000 Iraqis have been killed. 18% of that is 108,000. Around 5000 Iraqi military personnel were killed in the invasion while Saddam was still in power. So that makes 103,000. An unknown amount of Insurgents were killed so obviously I can't give a figure on that. But, considering 82% of the violent deaths were committed by Iraqis, I'd say the regular people of Iraq would rather have America there trying to keep the peace than not.

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by firststate February 21, 2007 3:40 AM EST

cbville72
Given the information available, including single-sourced material from drunks and liars like Chalabi, the intel that had already been debunked like the uranium and the aluminum tubes and the fact that anything remotely against the grain of our inexorable march to war was ignored, do you still think getting rid of Saddam, not maintaining a semblance of order in his wake and the clearly obvious result, Iraq's civil war, was both in the US interest and worth the cost in terms of both money and the lives? Especially since we now know that the sanctions had worked and the WMD programs had died not long after bush 41 wisely refused to unseat Saddam.

If you do, there's nothing anyone can offer to budge your position and I'll not intrude upon your smug satisfaction.

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by feelfree1 February 21, 2007 3:37 AM EST

obiquital,

Re: "Stay and the Iraqi people have a chance. Leave, and you sign their death certificate."

How would you explain that to the 2 younger brothers of the 14 year old Iraqi girl that was gang-raped and then executed by U.S. troops, along with the rest of their family?

How would you explain that to the friends and families of the half-million plus Iraqis that have already died as a result of this illegal and disgraceful misadventure?

Do you usually have a hard time recognising when your welcome is worn out?

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by feelfree1 February 21, 2007 3:31 AM EST

cbville72,

Re: "You forgot to insert LIBERAL after wide-open and public."

This forum is not restricted to "LIBERAL" opinions. You are simply witnessing a shrinking pool of people who are willing and/or able to champion the "causes" of the deadly and ridiculous Bush regime.

Please try to stick to claims that you can support.

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by obiquital February 21, 2007 3:28 AM EST

(continued)
Now, these two conflicts are completely different situations from the Iraqi Civil War but they show that with wide support (Korea), it can work and with lack of support (Vietnam), it will fail.
In Vietnam, we won all the battles until we lost the war due to lack of support by the American people. The Vietnamese knew that this was the only way to win, to drive the American people against the war. Apparently, the American people have learned nothing from this and have let the Terrorists do the same thing.
Should we have occupied Iraq? No.
Should we pull out now and watch thousands of Iraqi civilians die in a brutal and long lasting civil war? No.
Should we do our best to stabilize the situation? Yes.
Forget the politics, forget the big companies that can gain something from this, forget all of that. All you have to know is that if we leave now, the country will fall into even more chaos and the government will fall and thousands of people will die in a civil war that will last for a long time. And dictators will rise up and fall and rise up again and fall and the body count will continue to pile up higher and higher but they will not be Americans so most Americans will not care. Then in a decade or two, someone will say, "lots of people are dying there, we should do something about that." And be it bombs or troops, we will, as sure as the sun will come up tomorrow, do something about it.
Stay and the Iraqi people have a chance. Leave, and you sign their death certificate.

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by obiquital February 21, 2007 3:28 AM EST

It isn't a question of us being safe all comfy here in the United States. We have more chance of being in a car accident or dying of heart disease than we have of dying in a terrorist attack.

The question that you should be asking is when will the Iraqis feel safe? With bombs in their market places on a daily basis it is a very dangerous situation. And a bomb in a market place does not target Americans, it targets the Iraqi people.
The UN became involved in the Korean Civil War because the Soviet Union representative to the UN did not come to the meetings because he was mad at them about something. He was not at the meeting when the UN voted on going to help South Korea. The Soviet Union representative attended every single meeting after that. This is why when the UN was deciding whether or not to join the Vietnamese Civil War on the side of South Vietnam, the Soviet Union voted against it every single time. And these had to be unanimous votes.
Had the UN not been involved in the Korean Civil War, South Korea would have fallen to the North and they would all be under a harsh dictatorship now. 50,000 US troops died in South Korea so that the South Koreans could keep their freedom.
Had the UN been involved in the Vietnamese Civil War, South Vietnam would probably still be free because pressure from a large multinational force is much greater than that of a single country with a few allies offering a few troops.

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by cbville72 February 21, 2007 3:21 AM EST

This is a wide-open public forum. Who is "you people"?

You forgot to insert LIBERAL after wide-open and public.

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by cbville72 February 21, 2007 3:20 AM EST

My example is your painfully long rants about our government that by the way has a solid economy, solid stock market, no terrorost attacks on this country in 5 years and have just brought N.KOREA to the bargaining table on its knees because Bush hardlined them. They are going to give up their nukes for economic benefits. A few months ago, liberals far and wide were CRYING as you are now about how Bush was wrong in hardlining them and how we should have talks with them instead of the 6 country talks that N. Korea walked out on.

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by feelfree1 February 21, 2007 3:14 AM EST

cbville72,

Re: "Why are you so jaded against this country?"

I am jaded against those who have disgraced and weakened our country, with illegal fraud-based war, welfare for the rich, and relentless attacks on our Constitution.

These unfortunate people place a great burden of disgrace to the people of America, and to the human race.

Re: "It is amazing how you people"

This is a wide-open public forum. Who is "you people"?

Re: "and idealize Europeans as being so much more enlightened."

Examples?

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by cbville72 February 21, 2007 2:57 AM EST

It doesn't have to be the rapes. How many more Iraqis must be imprisoned/tortured/sodomized in order for you to feel safe?

I feel safe right now. A lot safer than I do had Kerry/Gore/Clinton been president. Why are you so jaded against this country? It is amazing how you people paint this country in such a horrible light on the global stage and idealize Europeans as being so much more enlightened.

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by firststate February 21, 2007 2:57 AM EST

dallison7 & formrusmcsgt
Personally, I consider the incompetent-in-chief the disposable commodity. I disagreed with the chimp's war in Iraq before he started it, but I have had nothing but the greatest admiration and respect for those who were over there doing the fighting.

I thought that Iraq was a tool for the chimp to work out his issues with his dad, but our military shouldn't be used to resolve father-son issues. Those two together aren't worth one of these heroes missing limbs. About the number of Americans killed in Iraq, Tony Snow said it was just a number and therein lies the problem. These Americans never mattered to the sociopath and his cabal as shown by the way their seriously injured fellow soldiers are treated. Their initial hospital care may be excellent but upon their discharge they face a maze of complex or even contradictory instructions, aimed at maximizing frustration. When combined with the already frustrating slow rate of progress in rehab the two can convince veterans that it's not worth the trouble and they stop using the resources.

The least I can do is try to motivate others to contact the people who can make the health care our soldiers get when they come home is worthy of their sacrifice. They willingly offered all their all for America, and we should force Congress to insure that America does no less for them.
www,Senate.gov and
www.house.gov
We can force an end to the Bushshit.

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by obiquital February 21, 2007 2:57 AM EST

the F stands for Forbes actually.

I'm still mad that the democrats whine and complain about Bush so much but they are the same idiots who chose JOHN KERRY to run against Bush. A candidate who couldn't possibly beat Bush because of how incredibly vague his opinion on everything was. There were plenty of good candidates but could the democrats choose one of those? No, of course they couldn't. You can't polarize everything and expect to win. You need a moderate so that people who aren't psychos from the left or psychos from the right (that is, the non radicals who make up most of the population) will have to make an actual choice instead of blindly voting party lines.

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by cbville72 February 21, 2007 2:55 AM EST

Exactly how where their views discredited? You speak of the government that is taking shape in Iraq as being composed of criminals. How exactly did you obtain this information?
I guess Hussein and his family were OK, despite gassing over 100,000 KURDS in the 80's.

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by feelfree1 February 21, 2007 2:52 AM EST

cbville72,

Re: "So you are using a girl getting raped to tie into how long it will take for me to feel safe?"

It doesn't have to be the rapes. How many more Iraqis must be imprisoned/tortured/sodomized in order for you to feel safe?

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by feelfree1 February 21, 2007 2:49 AM EST

cbville72,

Re: "John F. Kerry"

What does the "F" stand for anyway? F*ckface?

Re: "Here's one of your "saviors"."

I don't know about that. To me, it looks like Kerry, and many other prominent Democrats, are deeply complicit with the Bush Leage crimes.

I have to give the Bush regime dead-enders credit, though. At least they have the guts to promote their views, even though they are in a clear and shrinking minority, and even though their veiws have been completely discredited before the entire world.

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[lars008-2009]

'Obsession'
Documentary gives insight into radical Islam%u2019s global threat
http://www.foxnews.com/video2/launchPage.html?110506/110506_fnl_obsession&%27Obsession%27&FNL&Documentary%20gives%20insight%20into%20radical%20Islam%92s%20global%20threat&Foxlife&-1&%27Obsession%27&Video%20Launch%20Page&News
http://www.obsessionthemovie.com/12min.htm
http://myspace.com/waragainstthewest
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3BL4-mxE87w
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUpcpEQtgp4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7BUqXSeCDJc

this is the real threat to humanity.....
http://stopislam.cjb.net/

Terrorism Awareness Project to wake up Americans and the World
http://www.terrorismawareness.org/
http://www.terrorismawareness.org/islamic-mein-kampf

[lars008-2009]

here's your enemy skippy..... try to remember that..... there will be a test later....
UK TV AIRS SHOCK 'UNDERCOVER' LOOK INTO MAINSTREAM BRIT MOSQUES...
Dispatches: Undercover Mosque
This is part one of the much-anticipated UK Channel 4 documentary Dispatches: Undercover Mosque, exposing evidence of Islamic supremacism, shocking misogyny, and support for violence at a number of Britain%u2019s leading mosques and Muslim institutions. (Thanks again to LGF operative kasper.)
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=24018_Dispatches-_Undercover_Mosque&only

Dispatches - Undercover Mosque (1 to 6)
UK Channel 4, aired 15th January 2007.
Radicalisation of UK mosques by Saudi Wahabbism
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Dispatches+- Undercover Mosque
http://youtube.com/watch?v=peFQWuk4nuo
http://youtube.com/watch?v=MuCLC8kjWCI
http://youtube.com/watch?v=x5t5EqWX92k
http://youtube.com/watch?v=yMztM0Z7BYE
http://youtube.com/watch?v=V4Zv3BUmwqs
http://youtube.com/watch?v=KvjvNScmTQA

[feelfree1]

obiquital,

Allow me to re-post a recent quote from a brave Iraqi woman. It appears to be addressed to you as well.

"And yet, as the situation continues to deteriorate both for Iraqis inside and outside of Iraq, and for Americans inside Iraq, Americans in America are still debating on the state of the war and occupation- are they winning or losing? Is it better or worse."

"Let me clear it up for any moron with lingering doubts: It%u2019s worse. It%u2019s over. You lost. You lost the day your tanks rolled into Baghdad to the cheers of your imported, American-trained monkeys. You lost every single family whose home your soldiers violated. You lost every sane, red-blooded Iraqi when the Abu Ghraib pictures came out and verified your atrocities behind prison walls as well as the ones we see in our streets. You lost when you brought murderers, looters, gangsters and militia heads to power and hailed them as Iraq%u2019s first democratic government. You lost when a gruesome execution was dubbed your biggest accomplishment. You lost the respect and reputation you once had. You lost more than 3000 troops. That is what you lost America. I hope the oil, at least, made it worthwhile."

http://riverbendblog.blogspot.com/

[feelfree1]

obiquital,

Re: "The thoughts of 2 people are not enough to justify what an entire population believes."

Do these boys have a right to defend themselves?

Re: "I'd say the regular people of Iraq would rather have America there trying to keep the peace than not."

Say whatever you like, but a clear majority of Iraqi opinion wants the U.S. out, and a majority of Iraqis even support attacks on U.S. troops.

Can you blame them? Don't they have the right to defend themselves?

[middleman8]

Any one who believes the U S is not responsible for the killings in Iraq would believe that the person who would blow up a dam is not responsible for the water running out.

[obiquital]

"How would you explain that to the 2 younger brothers of the 14 year old Iraqi girl that was gang-raped and then executed by U.S. troops, along with the rest of their family?"

The thoughts of 2 people are not enough to justify what an entire population believes.

"How would you explain that to the friends and families of the half-million plus Iraqis that have already died as a result of this illegal and disgraceful misadventure?"

Based on studies done, only around 18% of the Iraqi deaths are attributed to Coalition forces. Around 600,000 Iraqis have been killed. 18% of that is 108,000. Around 5000 Iraqi military personnel were killed in the invasion while Saddam was still in power. So that makes 103,000. An unknown amount of Insurgents were killed so obviously I can't give a figure on that. But, considering 82% of the violent deaths were committed by Iraqis, I'd say the regular people of Iraq would rather have America there trying to keep the peace than not.

[firststate]

cbville72
Given the information available, including single-sourced material from drunks and liars like Chalabi, the intel that had already been debunked like the uranium and the aluminum tubes and the fact that anything remotely against the grain of our inexorable march to war was ignored, do you still think getting rid of Saddam, not maintaining a semblance of order in his wake and the clearly obvious result, Iraq's civil war, was both in the US interest and worth the cost in terms of both money and the lives? Especially since we now know that the sanctions had worked and the WMD programs had died not long after bush 41 wisely refused to unseat Saddam.

If you do, there's nothing anyone can offer to budge your position and I'll not intrude upon your smug satisfaction.

[feelfree1]

obiquital,

Re: "Stay and the Iraqi people have a chance. Leave, and you sign their death certificate."

How would you explain that to the 2 younger brothers of the 14 year old Iraqi girl that was gang-raped and then executed by U.S. troops, along with the rest of their family?

How would you explain that to the friends and families of the half-million plus Iraqis that have already died as a result of this illegal and disgraceful misadventure?

Do you usually have a hard time recognising when your welcome is worn out?

[feelfree1]

cbville72,

Re: "You forgot to insert LIBERAL after wide-open and public."

This forum is not restricted to "LIBERAL" opinions. You are simply witnessing a shrinking pool of people who are willing and/or able to champion the "causes" of the deadly and ridiculous Bush regime.

Please try to stick to claims that you can support.

[obiquital]

(continued)
Now, these two conflicts are completely different situations from the Iraqi Civil War but they show that with wide support (Korea), it can work and with lack of support (Vietnam), it will fail.
In Vietnam, we won all the battles until we lost the war due to lack of support by the American people. The Vietnamese knew that this was the only way to win, to drive the American people against the war. Apparently, the American people have learned nothing from this and have let the Terrorists do the same thing.
Should we have occupied Iraq? No.
Should we pull out now and watch thousands of Iraqi civilians die in a brutal and long lasting civil war? No.
Should we do our best to stabilize the situation? Yes.
Forget the politics, forget the big companies that can gain something from this, forget all of that. All you have to know is that if we leave now, the country will fall into even more chaos and the government will fall and thousands of people will die in a civil war that will last for a long time. And dictators will rise up and fall and rise up again and fall and the body count will continue to pile up higher and higher but they will not be Americans so most Americans will not care. Then in a decade or two, someone will say, "lots of people are dying there, we should do something about that." And be it bombs or troops, we will, as sure as the sun will come up tomorrow, do something about it.
Stay and the Iraqi people have a chance. Leave, and you sign their death certificate.

[obiquital]

It isn't a question of us being safe all comfy here in the United States. We have more chance of being in a car accident or dying of heart disease than we have of dying in a terrorist attack.

The question that you should be asking is when will the Iraqis feel safe? With bombs in their market places on a daily basis it is a very dangerous situation. And a bomb in a market place does not target Americans, it targets the Iraqi people.
The UN became involved in the Korean Civil War because the Soviet Union representative to the UN did not come to the meetings because he was mad at them about something. He was not at the meeting when the UN voted on going to help South Korea. The Soviet Union representative attended every single meeting after that. This is why when the UN was deciding whether or not to join the Vietnamese Civil War on the side of South Vietnam, the Soviet Union voted against it every single time. And these had to be unanimous votes.
Had the UN not been involved in the Korean Civil War, South Korea would have fallen to the North and they would all be under a harsh dictatorship now. 50,000 US troops died in South Korea so that the South Koreans could keep their freedom.
Had the UN been involved in the Vietnamese Civil War, South Vietnam would probably still be free because pressure from a large multinational force is much greater than that of a single country with a few allies offering a few troops.

[cbville72]

This is a wide-open public forum. Who is "you people"?

You forgot to insert LIBERAL after wide-open and public.

[cbville72]

My example is your painfully long rants about our government that by the way has a solid economy, solid stock market, no terrorost attacks on this country in 5 years and have just brought N.KOREA to the bargaining table on its knees because Bush hardlined them. They are going to give up their nukes for economic benefits. A few months ago, liberals far and wide were CRYING as you are now about how Bush was wrong in hardlining them and how we should have talks with them instead of the 6 country talks that N. Korea walked out on.

[feelfree1]

cbville72,

Re: "Why are you so jaded against this country?"

I am jaded against those who have disgraced and weakened our country, with illegal fraud-based war, welfare for the rich, and relentless attacks on our Constitution.

These unfortunate people place a great burden of disgrace to the people of America, and to the human race.

Re: "It is amazing how you people"

This is a wide-open public forum. Who is "you people"?

Re: "and idealize Europeans as being so much more enlightened."

Examples?

[cbville72]

It doesn't have to be the rapes. How many more Iraqis must be imprisoned/tortured/sodomized in order for you to feel safe?

I feel safe right now. A lot safer than I do had Kerry/Gore/Clinton been president. Why are you so jaded against this country? It is amazing how you people paint this country in such a horrible light on the global stage and idealize Europeans as being so much more enlightened.

[firststate]

dallison7 & formrusmcsgt
Personally, I consider the incompetent-in-chief the disposable commodity. I disagreed with the chimp's war in Iraq before he started it, but I have had nothing but the greatest admiration and respect for those who were over there doing the fighting.

I thought that Iraq was a tool for the chimp to work out his issues with his dad, but our military shouldn't be used to resolve father-son issues. Those two together aren't worth one of these heroes missing limbs. About the number of Americans killed in Iraq, Tony Snow said it was just a number and therein lies the problem. These Americans never mattered to the sociopath and his cabal as shown by the way their seriously injured fellow soldiers are treated. Their initial hospital care may be excellent but upon their discharge they face a maze of complex or even contradictory instructions, aimed at maximizing frustration. When combined with the already frustrating slow rate of progress in rehab the two can convince veterans that it's not worth the trouble and they stop using the resources.

The least I can do is try to motivate others to contact the people who can make the health care our soldiers get when they come home is worthy of their sacrifice. They willingly offered all their all for America, and we should force Congress to insure that America does no less for them.
www,Senate.gov and
www.house.gov
We can force an end to the Bushshit.

[obiquital]

the F stands for Forbes actually.

I'm still mad that the democrats whine and complain about Bush so much but they are the same idiots who chose JOHN KERRY to run against Bush. A candidate who couldn't possibly beat Bush because of how incredibly vague his opinion on everything was. There were plenty of good candidates but could the democrats choose one of those? No, of course they couldn't. You can't polarize everything and expect to win. You need a moderate so that people who aren't psychos from the left or psychos from the right (that is, the non radicals who make up most of the population) will have to make an actual choice instead of blindly voting party lines.

[cbville72]

Exactly how where their views discredited? You speak of the government that is taking shape in Iraq as being composed of criminals. How exactly did you obtain this information?
I guess Hussein and his family were OK, despite gassing over 100,000 KURDS in the 80's.

[feelfree1]

cbville72,

Re: "So you are using a girl getting raped to tie into how long it will take for me to feel safe?"

It doesn't have to be the rapes. How many more Iraqis must be imprisoned/tortured/sodomized in order for you to feel safe?

[feelfree1]

cbville72,

Re: "John F. Kerry"

What does the "F" stand for anyway? F*ckface?

Re: "Here's one of your "saviors"."

I don't know about that. To me, it looks like Kerry, and many other prominent Democrats, are deeply complicit with the Bush Leage crimes.

I have to give the Bush regime dead-enders credit, though. At least they have the guts to promote their views, even though they are in a clear and shrinking minority, and even though their veiws have been completely discredited before the entire world.