New Jersey Begins Offering Civil Unions

Becomes 3rd State To Allow Gay Couples Legal Benefits Of Marriage

(AP)  Shortly after midnight, Steven Goldstein and Daniel Gross renewed their vows as New Jersey became the third state in the nation to offer civil unions for gay couples.

The law that took effect Monday was “a big giant step forward,” said state Sen. Loretta Weinberg, a prime sponsor of the civil unions law, who hosted ceremonies for couples including Goldstein and Gross.

The civil unions, which offer the legal benefits but not the title of marriage, were granted automatically to the hundreds of gay New Jersey couples who had previously been joined in civil unions or married in other states or nations.

For Goldstein and Gross, that meant reaffirming their Vermont civil union. They would have had the rights in New Jersey even without holding the midnight ceremony.

Their civil union license — No. 1 — was completed at 12:09 a.m. Monday by Teaneck registrar Laura Turnbull.

Elsewhere across the state, a handful of town halls opened at 12:01 a.m. to accept license applications from couples who had not been joined previously. They must wait 72 hours before they can hold civil union ceremonies — just like with weddings — and several planned to exchange vows early Thursday.

Among those couples were Marty Finkle and Michael Plake of South Orange. A few dozen friends, Finkle's 17-year-old daughter and several local officials cheered as they filled out paperwork in their town hall.

Finkle and Plake also were among the first New Jersey couples to register in a domestic partnership in 2004. Domestic partnerships offered a handful of the benefits and obligations of civil unions.

Among the many new benefits under the civil unions law, gay couples gain the rights to adoption, child custody, visiting a hospitalized partner and making medical decisions. They also now have the right not to testify against a partner in state court.

However, the federal government and most states do not recognize the unions. That means, for instance, that a surviving member of a civil union would not be entitled to his deceased partner's Social Security benefits. And if a partner is hospitalized in another state, the other may not have an automatic visitation right.

New Jersey lawmakers hastily created civil unions in December, less than two months after a state Supreme Court decision held that gay couples had a right to the same benefits as married couples.

Gay rights activists in the state say they'll continue to press for full marriage rights through both political channels and lawsuits. Some social conservative groups, meanwhile, are pledging to block same-sex marriage by pressing for an amendment to the state constitution that prohibits such unions.

Forty-five states have legal or constitutional bans on same-sex marriages. Only Massachusetts allows gay couples to marry, while California offers domestic partnerships.

Goldstein, chairman of the gay rights group Garden State Equality, and Gross, a vice president at Goldman Sachs, held their ceremony behind a desk in a cramped office.

There were several kisses, a prayer reading, friends and journalists, but no music, no dancing and none of the breaking-of-the-glass that is traditional in Jewish weddings.

The couple did that in a Jewish wedding service in Canada in 2002 — the first same-sex union featured in the wedding pages of The New York Times — and promised even grander festivities if they eventually gain the right to marry in New Jersey.

As part of their ceremony, their rabbi, Elliott Tepperman, asked the people gathered: “Do you vow to continue your support for true marriage equality?”

“This was really all about receiving a piece of paper that had some recognition of our status,” Gross said.

[agnim]

Jewish fog.gots?
We wonder what their jehovah would have to say about that.

Like the christians in the Churches of Child Sodomy, it would appear that the deviant homosexual so-called leaders in New Jersey don't mind the FURTHER ENDANGERING OF AMERICA'S CHILDREN! They are continuing where the churches have left off in SODOMIZING AND TRAUMATIZING OF AMERICA'S CHILDREN!

Only one with the mentality of a lowly word would have not find revolting the deviant and perverted act of playing in another man's filth.
So we wonder what kind of worms are these f@ggots; hook worms? tape worms? round worms?

[afmca]

Congrats - New Jersey !! Christian bigots you will find the world will NOT come to an end. The only issues the pseudo-Christians have left is that of hate - between the extreme Islamists and their brethren in Christianity maybe their real goal is to bring on the Armageddon! Unfortunately all these self-righteous pious Christians will find themselves on the big bus to Hades as Christ is sickened by their hypocrisy!

[scott4261]

Angium - Nice. Your mother must be proud of the filth spilling out of you....

I have read your posts when this subject comes up and you seem to be obsessed with calling gay people names like filty f@ggots, devients and perverts. Whatever...unless you can treat me like another adult, I won't be talking to you.

And BTW, the American Psychiatric Association removed homosexuality from its list of mental disorders back in 1973.

[scott4261]

The following is part of a long letter to my mother back in 1987. Since, I have dedicated it to fundamentalist Christians I've known over the years. (BTW - my mom and I have a great relationship today!)

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(1 of 2)

I have known I am gay since I was very young. I can't explain why or how. I can tell you that I didn't CHOOSE to be gay, but I came to realize that this is a part of who I am and I grew to accept it. I don't consider this to be "a lifestyle," because my sexual orientation is a tiny part of who I am as a person. It simply is. I don't obsess about your heterosexuality because it is a tiny part of who you are. I just don't spend much time on it.

Please don't misunderstand me. I know you think you are helping me. But when you read the Bible, you must always take into consideration who is speaking, to whom it is addressed and the purpose for which it was recorded. When you read Leviticus 18, the supposed prohibition against homosexuals in verse 22 should be kept in context with the rest of the chapter or the whole book of Leviticus: No pork, no lobster, no shrimp, no oysters, no eating rare meats. How about no *** during menstruation or calling for the killing of all divorced people who remarry? I do not know of even the most fundamentalist Christian who believes any of that other stuff!

[scott4261]

(2 of 2)

In the New Testament, the references by Paul accompany his belief that woman should be veiled and that they should be silent in the church. It is also important to remember that the Bible was written in Hebrew (Old Testament) and Greek (New Testament) and that the words in your personal Bible depend on which translation you happen to have. It is also important to remember there is no record of Jesus mentioning homosexuality anywhere in the four gospels. He did say that we are not to judge each other and that we'll have to answer to God for how we treat each other (Matthew 7:1).

I'm not trying to make excuses or to make you feel bad or uncomfortable, but God will be the one who judges me. I am comfortable with that and I know He loves me as I am.

[scott4261]

I've reconciled my spirituality and my homosexuality. I've made my peace with God. And if I want to commit myself to another man and he wants to commit himself to me, that is between us and God. Call it civil union, call it domestic partnership...call it marriage, if you want...I don't care, but allow my partner and me to have the same rights as a married heterosexual couple. In case one doesn't understand what that means, let's put it simply: the security of knowing that - should I die - my partner will not have to worry about losing property we've accumulated together to my greedy relatives. Of course the other monetary benefits enjoyed by heterosexual married couples would be nice.

Yes, I think that's fair and just.

[hawksprings]

Why stop at legalizing just gay unions?

Can someone explain the logic to my simple, bigoted, homophobic mind?

If the new definition of marriage is two people who love each other and want to make a life-long commitment, then why not legalize marriage between cousins? Or siblings? Or mother and son? Or father and daughter? Or a man and a sheep?

Please, tell me why these "unions" shouldn't be legalized as well. I would like to read a coherent response as to why it's ok for a gay couple to be legally recognized and not these others I've mentioned.

.

[scott4261]

Why do you nutjobs always draw a connection between being gay and pedophilia or inscest or bestiality? As I pointed out to Agnim, the American Psychiatric Association removed homosexuality from its list of mental disorders back in 1973. And for the vast majority of those of us who are gay, the only thing that makes us different from most anyone else is our attration to the same ***. And if we are indeed born this way as science seems to indicate, then why wouldn't we have the right to protect our families as we see fit?

[rafterman1]

"The more and more the sin of homosexuality spreads, the more and more our country will suffer."

Fifty years ago, bigots used to say that about blacks and whites getting married. Some still do now. The truely ignorant never learn.

[catsnhorses]

Oh, the homophobes! Silly, a sheep can't give consent! Fortunately, mothers don't want to mary their sons, and usually when it comes to father/daughter relations, it's just a matter of sexual abuse, non-consensual.
Why deny mature adults the option to enter into a binding relationship wth the mature adult of their chosing? Gay people are not pedophles, are not sexual predators. Why does it bother you that I would want to share my home, have a joint checking account, file jont taxes with, leave my hard-earned benefits to another woman?
Your ignorance would be laughable were it not so damaging to society. Do you know how many gay youths commit suicide because of your hate?

[afmca]

Why all the homophobia about Gay Unions or marriage? All the arguments that have been expressed lead me to believe that maybe marriage should be banned all together for all people! I would love my wife and kids no less if I didn't have that piece of paper. Is marriage solely for children? Then explain all the childless marriages. Even more difficult, explain all the divorces between couples that had children. Explain all the cheating, violence, and poverty involved in many hetero marriages. The violence perpetrated by parents on their own children. Marriage was brought about by the early church to keep women servile. It was a male dominated church writing the rules of the game their way. It has taken centuries to get women the rights they have deserved. Substitute *** for Woman and the church just hopes to use another bigoted cause to keep the coffers full. Hopefully it will be a shorter period of time for ***!

[randalds]

"The law that took effect Monday was %u201Ca big giant step forward,%u201D said state Sen. Loretta Weinberg, a prime sponsor of the civil unions law, who hosted ceremonies for couples including Goldstein and Gross."

I couldn't agree more, but it's still just one step forward. Someday soon I hope same-*** marriage will finally be a reality!

[scott4261]

Your ignorance would be laughable were it not so damaging to society. Do you know how many gay youths commit suicide because of your hate?
Posted by at 12:21 PM

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Very good point, CatsnHorses. Unfortunately, many of these nutcases believe that gay youth can be cured by organizations like Exodus Ministries can cure homosexuality and redirect affections to the opposite ***. And if that evil homosexual desire persists, then there's always celibacy.

These people also want to tell us that we CHOOSE to be gay. But sexuality is an innate characteristic. And the logical question to them is, "When did you choose to be straight?"

[bobfishinguy]

Agnim is just a fustrated closet homosexual too afraid to be gay. That's why he is fixated on the subject. Feel sorry for him. He is pathetic.

I don't understand. If two people want to enter into a legal relationship, what is the big deal? Why should I care what they do?

I raised my kids in the church I wanted to, I taught the morals that I wanted taught to them (and by the way, I have no interest in having the school teach them either), as I have the RIGHT to.

If you start saying the government has the right to impose your views on other people, YOU LOSE THOSE RIGHTS!

How hard is this to understand?

[randalds]

These people also want to tell us that we CHOOSE to be gay. But sexuality is an innate characteristic. And the logical question to them is, "When did you choose to be straight?"

Posted by scott4261 at 12:28 PM : Feb 19, 2007

Bravo! My oldest son is gay and so is my step-son and both of them have said the same thing. They always knew they were gay just as straight people always knew they were straight. It's not a choice, it just is what it is.

[rafterman1]

"The more and more the sin of homosexuality spreads, the more and more our country will suffer."

Hey, I wonder how much the country suffers under the sin of bigotry?

I also have to wonder, if you can justify in your own mind that one group of people are inferior, it makes me wonder how many other groups you find inferior and are bigoted against. For instance, perhaps you don't care much for black people. Hmmmm. Makes you wonder.

[agnim]

Posted by scott4261 at 11:58 AM : Feb 19, 2007
Psychiatrists are from the so-called 'profession' with the most mental cases.

It therefore makes sense that the APA will not want to recognize homosexuality as a MENTAL BIRTH DEFECT for those who are born with an affinity for someone of the same gender. The APA members are also mentally deficient.

[scott4261]

I couldn't agree more, but it's still just one step forward. Someday soon I hope same-s e x marriage will finally be a reality!

Posted by RandalDS

Thanks, RandalDS. But as I said Call it civil union, call it domestic partnership - I don't care. But allow my partner and me to have the same rights as a married heterosexual couple.

[scott4261]

...Agnim is just a fustrated closet homosexual too afraid to be gay. That's why he is fixated on the subject. Feel sorry for him. He is pathetic....
Posted by bobfishinguy at 12:28 PM

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Quite possible. Some of the most virulent homophobes are really latent homosexuals fighting to stay in the closet.

[scott4261]

If two people want to enter into a legal relationship, what is the big deal? Why should I care what they do?

I raised my kids in the church I wanted to, I taught the morals that I wanted taught to them (and by the way, I have no interest in having the school teach them either), as I have the RIGHT to.

If you start saying the government has the right to impose your views on other people, YOU LOSE THOSE RIGHTS!

How hard is this to understand?
Posted by bobfishinguy at 12:28 PM

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Thank you. I couldn't agree more. I've been out for 23 years, but I'm been trying to find out why this is so hard for others to understand for at least 30.

[rafterman1]

"The APA members are also mentally deficient."

Oh, so you are a bigot AND ignorant. Quite a combination you have going for you there.

Hey, Tom Cruise hates phychiatrists too and for years it's rumored he is gay. Hey maybe bobfishinguy is right about you in his post earlier. Come on Agnim. Do you have one of those "special" same-*** friends? Fess up.

[randalds]

The idea that homosexuality is a sin is ridiculous. Nowhere in the new Testament does Jesus himself ever address the issue and the only place in the bible it is addressed is in Leviticus and only a real loon would try to follow all of the "rules" written down in that book. Some of Jesus' followers suffere3d from severe sexual repression (like Paul), but Jesus never said being gay was sinful.

[scott4261]

Several thousand verses in the Bible are on poverty and God's response to injustice. One of every 16 verses in the New Testament about the poor or the subject of money. It would indeed be a very thin book without those verses. And virtually meaningless for the world. Can you imagine how much better the world if we really took care of the least among us?

I am not trying to change the subject, but I want to show that - if you are truly a person of faith - God wants us to treat each other as we would want to be treated, to love one another...you know - the Golden Rule as many refer to it.

I know who I am and I am comfortable with it. And once more, I am comfortable knowing that only God will be the judge of my life.

[lgseiferth]

SinginRick and Agnim are foolish hypocrites who have had their reward. On the last day, they will fail their own tests that they have set up for their fellow men. They have condemned themselves. It is truly sad.

[rafterman1]

"The more and more the sin of homosexuality spreads, the more and more our country will suffer. Recent history totally shows this. This country is totally throwing out morals and principles. Thank you ACLU."

Oh, recent histroy shows that, huh? Prove it.

And by the way, yes, thank the ACLU. One of the few last groups who actually fight to defend the Constitution and will not let right wing nut jobs rewrite it to suit their agenda.

[randalds]

Blacks and whites getting married is not a sin.

Posted by singinrick at 12:33 PM : Feb 19, 2007

However until recently many Christian churches preached that is was because each was to stay with their own and many churches in the old south still do.

[scott4261]

rick, you are entitled to believe whtever you want. I know I will never change your mind. But you also know that I come from a more liberal tradition of faith. You may attribute my beliefs to a false or misguided religion, but they are my beliefs. And the Bible is full of wisdom and commandments that most of us ignore daily. Think about that before you try to remove the speck from my eye.

[lgseiferth]

Revel in your happiness that you enjoy now. It is your reward.

[agnim]

My Fellow Americans

The christians and their Churches of Child Sodomy are most greatly responsible for the prevalence and promotion of the homosexual deviance in western/christian societies, above all other societies.

The christians hypocrites are on the one hand railing against homosexuals while on the other hand the same perverted christians were busy 'training' traumatizing more children in the deviant homosexual BEHAVIORS in their churches, and then releasing them in the wider society.

Over the generations, a lot of society's leaders were created by the Churches of Child Sodomy.

Many of those individuals who became society's leaders (like Congressman Mark Foley) out of the Churches of Child Sodomy were well 'TRAINED' IN HOMOSEXUALITY by deviant and perverted christian homosexual priests.
Those church-trained homosexuals were then able to severely corrupt the wider western/christian societies with their greater influence in the western/christian societies.

Note that the deviant homosexual behavior IS NOT as prevalent and as promoted in NON-western/christian societies across the planet?
Their more upstanding leaders WERE NOT 'trained' in catholic and anglican Churches of Child Sodomy.

[scott4261]

rick, I dont want to go off on a tangent, but the sole purpose of the ACLU's mission is to defend the Bill of Rights.

[randalds]

-RandalDS you have admitted several times on these boards that you are not a Christian, that you are in fact an atheist, so my question is this, how in the world can you say what a sin is or isn't??

Posted by singinrick at 12:42 PM : Feb 19, 2007

True, I am an atheist, however unlike you seem to believe being an atheist does not make a person stupid. I can read (wonder of wonders, must be a gift from...Darwin) and I have read the bible several times. That's how I know that Christ never said anything about homosexuality and that you are cherry-picking verses from the old testament to prop up your case. If you take the quote from Leviticus out of context, as you insist on doing, then you're purposely not addressing the other "rules" in Leviticus that no one, even the most fervent bible-thump-er, including yourself I suspect, follows today. You can't pick and choose which things in the bible you choose to believe in and you have.

[randalds]

Also you asked to prove it. Well you name me one "GOOD" thing homosexuality has done for this country. The spread of aids and other diseases is not a good thing.

Posted by singinrick at 12:48 PM : Feb 19, 2007

AIDS is a sexual disease, not a gay one. It just happened to show up first in the gay community in the US, worldwide it is overwhelimingly a heterosexual disease.

[lgseiferth]

Be careful of people who would attach extra requirements to salvation over and above faith in Christ. They appeal to a human desire to 'contribute' to their salvation. This is not possible. Those who suggest that it is are not from Christ, but rather his adversary.

[rafterman1]

"I agree with this Scott but this does not mean I have to agree with homosexuality because the Bible specifically points it out as a sin. We do have the duty as Christians to point out sins to other Christrians as well, and we have the right to rebute with the Scripture. It's in the Bible."

But you don't have the right to write or support mad-made laws that would deny gay people rights. You all complain about the "gay agenda". Well, I suppose there wouldn't be an "agenda" if the right didn't have it's own agenda to criminalize being gay. You have the right to believe whatever the h3ll you want, but when you try to push those beliefs into the law of man (which is for everyone and does not specify gay or staight), then it becomes a "gay agenda".

Bottom line, it's none of your business or mine what two consenting adults do. Scott is gay, I'm straight. Neither affects your life in any way. Would you comment on my life with my girlfriend? No (at least you shouldn't), because it's none of your business. So why bust on Scott about his life?

[scott4261]

Rick,

You know what? This argument is so silly. Most everyone knows at least one person who's gay these days. I'm sure that even you do to. Do you not associate with that person?

We just need to get real here and really put the tenets of faith into practice. And if we really did - and I mean all of us, no matter what we believe in - the world would be a totally different and better place.

I am not going to try to convince you tha I didn't choose to be gay, because you will believe your own limited, narrow, and literal interpretation of the Bible.

May the peace of God be with you....

[lgseiferth]

There are those who serve Christ, and those who worship the law. Law worship is a means to influence, not a means to service, which is the way of Christ. Law worshipers will enjoy great success and power in this world. But they will enter Christ's kingdom last.

[agnim]

"Do you know how many gay youths commit suicide because of your (position)?

Posted by CatsnHorses at 12:21 PM : Feb 19, 2007"

Better dead than gay!
Better suicide than gay!

[randalds]

-RandalDS, I don't pick and choose anything. I believe in the whole words of the Bible as the divinely inspired Word of God. I could sit here and throw quotes from the Bible at you all day. Just because one has read the Bible does not mean they are going to believe in it. You could read the Bible 1,000 times but if you have not accepted Christ as your personal savior the Bible becomes nothing but just another book, as it has become to you.
Posted by singinrick at 12:57 PM : Feb 19, 2007

So then you believe it's a sin to eat pork or shellfish. That a women who commits audltry should be stoned to death. That a women who is menstrating is "unclean" and shouldn't be touched? You must have a real exciting life there Rick.

[randalds]

Forgot to run the spellcheck on that last one...sorry.

[scott4261]

I WILL REPEAT THIS FOR ALL THE FUNDIES ON THIS BLOG:

The following is part of a long letter to my mother back in 1987. Since, I have dedicated it to fundamentalist Christians I've known over the years. (BTW - my mom and I have a great relationship today!)

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(1 of 2)

I have known I am gay since I was very young. I can't explain why or how. I can tell you that I didn't CHOOSE to be gay, but I came to realize that this is a part of who I am and I grew to accept it. I don't consider this to be "a lifestyle," because my sexual orientation is a tiny part of who I am as a person. It simply is. I don't obsess about your heterosexuality because it is a tiny part of who you are. I just don't spend much time on it.

Please don't misunderstand me. I know you think you are helping me. But when you read the Bible, you must always take into consideration who is speaking, to whom it is addressed and the purpose for which it was recorded. When you read Leviticus 18, the supposed prohibition against homosexuals in verse 22 should be kept in context with the rest of the chapter or the whole book of Leviticus: No pork, no lobster, no shrimp, no oysters, no eating rare meats. How about no *** during menstruation or calling for the killing of all divorced people who remarry? I do not know of even the most fundamentalist Christian who believes any of that other stuff!

[cmangome]

I believe that people should let other people be happy the way they want to be happy. It is no ones business if someone is gay or not and the law should back up their relationships as well. I mean, telling a man that he has to marry a woman is like telling black people they can't marry a white person or asian, etc... I believe in gay rights... The rate for divorce in this country is ridiculous, so apparently marrying the "right way" doesn't always work, even if you are a christian or religious person. So people, focus on the bigger issues... hunger, healthcare, the stupid war, education, etc... This is America, the land of the FREE... free to do whatever you feel is in your best interest!!!

[scott4261]

(2 of 2)

In the New Testament, the references by Paul accompany his belief that woman should be veiled and that they should be silent in the church. It is also important to remember that the Bible was written in Hebrew (Old Testament) and Greek (New Testament) and that the words in your personal Bible depend on which translation you happen to have. It is also important to remember there is no record of Jesus mentioning homosexuality anywhere in the four gospels. He did say that we are not to judge each other and that we'll have to answer to God for how we treat each other (Matthew 7:1).

I'm not trying to make excuses or to make you feel bad or uncomfortable, but God will be the one who judges me. I am comfortable with that and I know He loves me as I am.

[lgseiferth]

Beware of anyone who uses the name of Christ without humility. The hypocrites pray on the street corner for everyone to see. They seek influence over society, using His name as a tool and a means to a self-serving end. These are not Christians, but rather Christianists. And they are not sent by Christ. They come from the Adversary. Do not follow them. They may offer security and influence in the short-term, but their destination is destruction.

[scott4261]

You can't pick and choose what is sin and what isn't. I've known a couple of homosexuals in my life, and I've seen them come to know Christ and turn from that lifestyle. It's no secret that there are homosexuals out there who have turned to Christ and have ended up married with children and putting Christ first in their life. Here is a link to a story of one if you don't believe me:

http://www.christian.com/Articles
Detail.asp?id=1600
Posted by singinrick at 01:04 PM

Do you know how many gay youths commit suicide because of your (position)?

Posted by CatsnHorses at 12:21 PM : Feb 19, 2007"

Better dead than gay!
Better suicide than gay!
Posted by Agnim at 01:00 P

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Rick, aAgnim, other nuts: Exodus ministries and other forms of conversion therapy have a very low sucess rate. And the reason is that sexuality IS innate. Our attraction is hardwired from before birth.

I will repeat, "When did you choose to be straight?" And the truth, of course, is that you didn't make a choice. It is the natural attraction for you. Just as my natural attraction is to other men. And it REALLY IS as simple as that!

[scott4261]

As I said, rick, we are on opposite sides of a chasm on this issue. I know that I will never convince you otherwise. But as I said, God - and ONLY God - will be the judge of my life. Not you.

[lgseiferth]

Law worshippers will see their master turn against them in the end. Their passing will be the saddest of all. The law they love so much will judge, sentence and destroy them.

[scott4261]

I'm sure RandalDS and I would hit it off very well! But then, rick, I base my friendships on the content of character. Tradition of faith, or a lack of it, is never a consideration whenever I choose to befriend someone.

I know that's hard for you to grasp, but it is the truth.

[randalds]

Picking, choosing and rationalizing. Tap-dancing like crazy. So every "sin" described in Leviticus no longer counts? Or just the ones you want to? Leviticus doesn't say these "sins" are flexible. It doesn't say you shouldn't eat pork or shellfish, it says you can not. It also says that homosexual relations get you death. It doesn't say maybe. Remember this is God speaking through the men who wrote the bible. How could god be right to say that homosexuality means death, but then change his mind? If he's perfect then he must have been right the first time. And Jesus didn't say he came to change the laws of the old testament, but to fulfill them, therefore god (Jesus) says all of the old laws are still in effect. Face it rick, it don't make sense to anyone but those blinded by the light.

[bks59]

This article is about one US state making availble to consenting adults a legal protection, nothing more nothing less. Yet zealous theorcrats, again, stick their noses into an area that is none of their business. If you don't want same gender relationships recognized in your life, then please, PLEASE, do not develope a relationship with someone of the same gender and if you don't want your children exposed to same gender reltionships, then I suggest you should not have children. If same gender relationships repluses you so, then pretend that two woman or two men are just good friends.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?

[scott4261]

And just so you know, rick, RandalDS is correct: Nowhere in the four gospels is homosexuality mentioned. And Jesus never spoke of it.