Death Comes To Baghdad Despite Crackdown

Bombings Kill Dozens In Deadliest Attacks Since Security Crackdown

(CBS/AP)  Militants struck back Sunday in their first major blow against a U.S.-led security clampdown in Baghdad with car bombings that killed at least 63 people, left scores injured and sent a grim message to officials boasting that extremist factions were on the run.

The attacks in mostly Shiite areas — twin explosions in an open-air market that claimed 62 lives and a third blast that killed one — were a sobering reminder of the challenges confronting any effort to rattle the well-armed and well-hidden insurgents.

Instead, it was the Iraqi commanders of the security sweep feeling the sting.

Just a few hours before the blasts, Lt. Gen. Abboud Qanbar led reporters on a tour of the neighborhood near the marketplace that was attacked and promised to "chase the terrorists out of Baghdad." On Saturday, the Iraqi spokesman for the plan, Brig. Gen. Qassim Moussawi, said violence had plummeted by 80 percent in the capital.

Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki condemned the bombings as a desperate act by "terrorists" and "criminals" who sense they are being squeezed.

"These crimes confirm the defeat of these perpetrators and their failure in confronting our armed forces, which are determined to cleanse the dens of terrorism," al-Maliki said in a statement.

U.S. military chiefs have been much more cautious. They have insisted the security drive, begun last week, may take months to make clear gains and that counter-punches from militants were likely every step of the way.

The ones dealt Sunday came from the militants' favored weapon of the moment: parked cars rigged with explosives.

The first blast tore through a produce market in the mostly Shiite area of New Baghdad, toppling the wooden stalls and leaving pools of blood and vegetables trampled in the chaos. Minutes later, another car bomb exploded near a row of stores.

More than 125 people were injured, including many women who were shopping, said police and rescue officials who spoke on condition of anonymity because they are not authorized to speak to the media.

Victims were carried to hospitals on makeshift stretchers or in the arms of rescuers.

Another car bomb in the Shiite enclave of Sadr City left at least one dead and 10 wounded, police said.

It was by far the deadliest day since the security sweeps began. On Thursday, a string of car bombs killed seven civilians on the first full day of the house-to-house searches for weapons and suspected militants.

The U.S.-led teams have faced limited direct defiance as they set up checkpoints and comb neighborhoods. But that could change as they move into more volatile sections of the city. The next could be Sadr City, a stronghold of the Mahdi Army militia loyal to radical Shiite cleric Muqtada al-Sadr.

U.S. soldiers pressed closer to Sadr City on Sunday and the reception changed noticeably. In previous days, Shiite families opened their doors to welcome the troops — feeling that the American presence would be a buffer against feared attacks from Sunni militia.

On Sunday, in areas closer to Sadr City, parents slapped away the candy and lollipops given to children by soldiers.

"The Baghdad security plan is very important to push Iraq ahead," said Haider al-Obeidi, a parliament member from the Dawa party of al-Maliki.

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In other developments:

Two more U.S. soldiers have been killed in action, the U.S. military said. Both were killed Saturday: one by a grenade in a northern neighborhood of Baghdad; the other from gunfire north of the city, the military said.

As of Sunday, at least 3,137 members of the U.S. military have died since the beginning of the Iraq war in March 2003, according to an Associated Press count. The figure includes seven military civilians. At least 2,514 died as a result of hostile action, according to the military's numbers.

Syrian President Bashar Assad held talks with Iranian leaders in Tehran, including President Mahmoud Ahamedinejad. The two leaders are generally on opposing sides of Iraq's sectarian divide: Iran backs the majority Shiites, and Syria is seen as a key supporter of Sunnis.

Iran's Foreign Ministry denied that radical Iraqi Shiite cleric Muqtada al-Sadr was in Iran, calling statements by U.S. and Iraqi officials saying he had traveled to Iran "psychological warfare."

A Marine who said he never fired a shot in the kidnapping and murder of an Iraqi man was sentenced Saturday to 8 years in military prison – the longest sentence yet in the case. Lance Cpl. Robert B. Pennington, 22, also was reduced in rank and given a dishonorable discharge during the sentencing hearing at the Camp Pendleton Marine base.

CBS News reporter Kristen Gillespie visited a refugee camp in the Jordanian desert where a group of Iraqi refugees have lived three years in canvas tents. They can't go home, and their Palestinian ancestry makes for a very uncertain future.

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(AP)

The Baghdad crackdown has sent ripples through all corners of the country. The borders with Iran and Syria — shut for three days as the plan got under way — reopened Sunday. But new and strict rules will apply.

Moussawi, the plan's spokesman, was quoted in the Azzaman newspaper as saying the crossing points to the two nations would be open for only several hours a day and under "intense observation."

The United States and allies claim Iraqi militants receive aid and supplies from Iran, including parts for lethal roadside bombs targeting U.S. forces. Iran denies any role in trafficking weapons.

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by missingamerica February 18, 2007 1:21 PM EST

Hope it does not get any worse, but...it will be hard for the insurgents to resist picking up the gauntlets thrown down by the Bush surge and the Rice "see it is all better now" visit and comment...

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by radiob-2009 February 18, 2007 1:32 PM EST

Something to ponder, that some of these bombings, killings are Shiite on Shiite and Sunni on Sunni.Why? It serves a two-fold purpose, one being that it emboldens the sectarian division throughtout the country and two it elimiates any potential rival in a particular area be it domination of a "land" area or "commerce" area.This is more than likely not the overall trend of the bombings and killings however it is worth consideration. The usage of this to foment the overall theme of sectarian division is in itself a tool of propaganda that is easy to exercise in the eyes of the government of Iraq providing deeper inter governmental disruption amongst the differing elected sects.This does not seem unlikely the net result of these types of actions is deeper division in the government. Something to consider.

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by patriotic9 February 18, 2007 2:09 PM EST

Good job Bush!You were right.God is on your side.Who is Mr.God by the way?

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by jerr11 February 18, 2007 2:14 PM EST

It is obvious this surge is going great!

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by perception5 February 18, 2007 2:21 PM EST

It is obvious this surge is going great!
Posted by jerr11 at 11:14 AM : Feb 18, 2007
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Good job Bush!You were right.God is on your side.Who is Mr.God by the way?
Posted by patriotic9 at 11:09 AM : Feb 18, 2007

........It's nice to see Americans supporting our troops and their Comander-in-Chief. I'm sure our enemies will be depressed by the comments here.............. NOT!!

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by pwrslm February 18, 2007 2:25 PM EST

How do you stop a moron with a bomb? Surely they have been trying to figure that out for a few decades now, but nobody actually came up with a cure.

So why do you liberals expect Bush is responsible?

Short sighted conclusions have no impact on the real world, just in fantasy.

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by jerr11 February 18, 2007 2:29 PM EST

Two more soldiers killed doing their duty for the country bringing the number to 3135.

Wonder how many more to go? Will it stop at 5000? Or 10,000? And who's the next one to go?

And when will the Bush twins join to fight their daddy's war? If you can't even get your own kids to believe in your war, why should we care?

It's so easy to keep the war going when you can send other people's kids to fight and die for you.

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by pwrslm February 18, 2007 2:31 PM EST

Hope it does not get any worse, but...it will be hard for the insurgents to resist picking up the gauntlets thrown down by the Bush surge and the Rice "see it is all better now" visit and comment...
Posted by ibsteve2u at 10:21 AM : Feb 18, 2007


Actually, we want them to stay busy. Thats how we find them. With the billions in Technology we have, we can actually record the events as they happen, and track them down from thier sources by replaying the tape.

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by lars008-2009 February 18, 2007 2:32 PM EST

pwrslm

http://www.glennbeck.com/news/01302004.shtml
"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process." - Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998

"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real..." - Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003

"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force -- if necessary -- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security." - Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002

"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line." - President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998

"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program." - President Bill Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998

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by jerr11 February 18, 2007 2:33 PM EST

"So why do you liberals expect Bush is responsible?

Posted by pwrslm at 11:25 AM : Feb 18, 2007"


If you take a blowtorch and burn down a barn, who is responsible? The blowtorch or you?

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by formrusmcsgt February 18, 2007 2:37 PM EST

All you neocons who were crowing about two days of reduced violence and how the president's plan was already working must be choking on our own slop right about now.......and Cheney was all set to say "mission accomplished" again.....

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by lars008-2009 February 18, 2007 2:37 PM EST

The pacifist is as surely a traitor to his country and to humanity as is the most brutal wrongdoer. Theodore Roosevelt

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by jerr11 February 18, 2007 2:41 PM EST

"........It's nice to see Americans supporting our troops and their Comander-in-Chief. I'm sure our enemies will be depressed by the comments here.............. NOT!!"

Supporting the Commander-in-Chief is one thing, supporting a corrupt Commander-in-Chief is another.

Fortunately, most Americans can see through the lies of this Adminitsration and are not about to follow him blindly.

In Waco, they believed in the lies of David Koresh too and followed him blindly to the bitter end too.

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by lars008-2009 February 18, 2007 2:42 PM EST

%u201CIt is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly; who errs and comes short again and again; because there is not effort without error and shortcomings; but who does actually strive to do the deed; who knows the great enthusiasm, the great devotion, who spends himself in a worthy cause, who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement and who at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly. So that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who know neither victory nor defeat.%u201D Theodore Roosevelt

"...the man who really counts in the world is the doer, not the mere critic-the man who actually does the work, even if roughly and imperfectly, not the man who only talks or writes about how it ought to be done." (1891) Theodore Roosevelt

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by lars008-2009 February 18, 2007 2:44 PM EST

clinton is a convicted and impeached liar.....

Avoid the base hypocrisy of condemning in one man what you pass over in silence when committed by another. - Cambridge, Massachusetts March 11, 1890 Theodore Roosevelt

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by jerr11 February 18, 2007 2:44 PM EST

"...the man who really counts in the world is the doer, " (1891) Theodore Roosevelt
Posted by lars008 at 11:42 AM : Feb 18, 2007

Yeah! Like hiding out in the jungles of Alabama when others were fighting the war for them or sending your two kids to party while sending other people's kids to fight and die for you!

What a doer!

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by lars008-2009 February 18, 2007 2:45 PM EST

The things that will destroy America are prosperity-at-any-price, peace-at-any-price, safety-first instead of duty-first, the love of soft living, and the get-rich-quick theory of life. Theodore Roosevelt

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by lars008-2009 February 18, 2007 2:47 PM EST

jerr11

and where was clinton skippy....

Avoid the base hypocrisy of condemning in one man what you pass over in silence when committed by another. - Cambridge, Massachusetts March 11, 1890 Theodore Roosevelt

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by jerr11 February 18, 2007 2:48 PM EST

"The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood,.%u201D Theodore Roosevelt

Yeah, it's real sweaty in the arena of the white house these days, dusty and bloody too!

This President deserves our great admiration for staying the course when others would cut and run.

Like I said, this war is a no brainer! Just send other people's kids to war while you defend the white house! It's almost as hard as defending Alabama from the Vietcongs!

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by lars008-2009 February 18, 2007 2:48 PM EST

To sit home, read one's favorite paper, and scoff at the misdeeds of the men who do things is easy, but it is markedly ineffective. It is what evil men count upon the good men's doing. - The Outlook December 21, 1895 Theodore Roosevelt

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by tuckerndfw February 18, 2007 2:49 PM EST

If we use the same standard used to promote yesterday's headline, the headline should read, "White House Concedes Surge is a Failure."

Yesterday, the White House (Condo "Chevron Oil Tanker" Rice) was reportedly "optimistic" based on far less than this event.

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by jerr11 February 18, 2007 2:50 PM EST

"clinton is a convicted and impeached liar....."

Posted by lars008 at 11:44 AM : Feb 18, 2007

A classic strategy is to distract and point the finger at others while you're in the middle of a crime.

Nice try!

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by jerr11 February 18, 2007 2:53 PM EST

"To sit home, read one's favorite paper, and scoff at the misdeeds of the men who do things is easy,

- The Outlook December 21, 1895 Theodore Roosevelt
Posted by lars008 at 11:48 AM : Feb 18, 2007"

No, reading one's favorite paper and scoffing at others is hard. What is easy is sending other people's kids to fight and die for you.

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by lars008-2009 February 18, 2007 2:53 PM EST

it is true nevertheless.....

what crime skippy???

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by scott4261 February 18, 2007 3:08 PM EST

"clinton is a convicted and impeached liar....."

Posted by lars008 at 11:44 AM : Feb 18, 2007
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Actually, lars, the Senate fell short of enough votes to remove Clinton from office. I only wish enough in the Senate now with the b a l l s to remove Bush and Cheney. If decent president can be impeached for lying about a b l ow j o b from an intern, surely these incompetetent and decietful money-grubbing liars can be impeached for sending over 3100 of our soldiers to die. Not to mention the tens of thousands who are badly injured and maimed. They are evil.

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by formrusmcsgt February 18, 2007 3:15 PM EST

"clinton is a convicted and impeached liar....."

Posted by lars008 at 11:44 AM : Feb 18, 2007

How about a link to Clinton's impeachment, lars? You obviously can't remember bac to January 20, 2001, when Clinton was relieved by Bush. Impeached president leave office, the don't turn it ove rto their successor.....

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by lars008-2009 February 18, 2007 3:18 PM EST

yes he was impeached........

and yes he was not removed.......

but he was still impeached.....

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by formrusmcsgt February 18, 2007 3:19 PM EST

By the house but not the Senate, lars.

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by scott4261 February 18, 2007 3:19 PM EST

Ya know...I keep on hoping I will wake up and this whole presidency, from the Florida fiasco to 9/11 to the war to the s c r e w i n g of the poor - all of it - I keep hoping I will wake up from this BAD DREAM that never seems to end! These guys are pure evil and I just pray that our country and the world survive until they are out of office. Then, maybe - just maybe - we can save both.

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by formrusmcsgt February 18, 2007 3:20 PM EST

With this talk of impeachment lars, one would think you ran out of "I HATE MUSLIMS" links......could that be?

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by lars008-2009 February 18, 2007 3:21 PM EST

Clinton Almost Military Career

Bill Clinton registers for the draft on September 08, 1964, accepting all contractual conditions of registering for the draft. Selective Service Number is 3 26 46 228.

Bill Clinton classified 2-S on November 17, 1964.

Bill Clinton reclassified 1-A on March 20, 1968.

Bill Clinton ordered to report for induction on July 28, 1969.

Bill Clinton refuses to report and is not inducted into the military.

Bill Clinton reclassified 1-D after enlisting in the United States Army Reserves on August 07, 1969, under authority of Col. E. Holmes. Clinton signs enlistment papers and takes oath of enlistment. Bill Clinton fails to report to his duty station at the University of Arkansas ROTC, September 1969.

Bill Clinton reclassified 1-A on October 30, 1969, as enlistment with Army Reserves is revoked by Colonel E. Holmes and Clinton now AWOL and subject to arrest under Public Law 90-40 (2)(a) registrant who has failed to report...remain liable for induction.

Bill Clinton's birth date lottery number is 311, drawn December 1, 1969, but anyone who has already been ordered to report for induction is INELIGIBLE!

Bill Clinton runs for Congress (1974), while a fugitive from justice under Public Law 90-40.

Bill Clinton runs for Arkansas Attorney General (1976), while a fugitive from justice. Bill Clinton receives pardon on January 21, 1977, from Carter.

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by scott4261 February 18, 2007 3:21 PM EST

yes he was impeached........
and yes he was not removed.......
but he was still impeached.....

Posted by lars008 at 12:18 PM

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The moron & Co. should be impeached AND removed.

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by formrusmcsgt February 18, 2007 3:22 PM EST

Then, maybe - just maybe - we can save both.
Posted by scott4261 at 12:19 PM : Feb 18, 2007

I would say that it depends on the ratio between the self-righteous, xenophobes, and paranoids versus the sane population.

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by lars008-2009 February 18, 2007 3:23 PM EST

like i said the house impeached clintoon.....

the senate did not remove him.......

the house impeaches....
the senate removes....

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by scott4261 February 18, 2007 3:23 PM EST

lars,

Newsflash to you and all you people from the "Limbaugh Instuitute of Advnced Conservative Studies"....Bill Clinton IS NO LONGER PRESIDENT! A much more dangerous successor has taken his place!

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by lars008-2009 February 18, 2007 3:24 PM EST

scott4261

that will never happen scotty....

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by lars008-2009 February 18, 2007 3:25 PM EST

Bill Clinton FIRST PARDONED FEDERAL FELON ever to serve as President of the United States. All these facts come from Freedom of Information requests, public laws, and various books that have been published, and have not been refuted by Clinton.

After the 1993 World Trade Center bombing, President Clinton promised that those responsible would be hunted down and punished.

After the 1995 bombing in Saudi Arabia, which killed five U.S. military personnel, Clinton promised that those responsible would be hunted down and punished.

After the 1996 Khobar Towers bombing in Saudi Arabia, which killed 19 and injured 200 U.S. military personnel, Clinton promised that those responsible would be hunted down and punished.

After the 1998 bombing of U.S . embassies in Africa, which killed 224 and injured 5,000, Clinton promised that those responsible would be hunted down and punished.

After the 2000 bombing of the USS Cole, which killed 17 and injured 39 U.S. sailors, Clinton promised that those responsible would be hunted down and punished.

Maybe if Clinton had kept those promises, an estimated 3,000 people in New York and Washington, DC. who are now dead would be alive today.

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by jerr11 February 18, 2007 3:26 PM EST

the house impeaches....
the senate removes....
Posted by lars008 at 12:23 PM : Feb 18, 2007

Sounds like you're a real smart guy. Why can't you see through this administration's lies and deceit?

Or are they paying you to troll these forums?

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by scott4261 February 18, 2007 3:26 PM EST

scott4261

that will never happen scotty....
Posted by lars008 at 12:24 PM

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Probably not. But if Bush & Cheney were impeached, Nancy Pelosi is third in line for the presidency. If that happened, your head will surely explode!

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by formrusmcsgt February 18, 2007 3:27 PM EST

Clinton Almost Military Career...hey lars, tell us about Bush's military carreer.

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by lars008-2009 February 18, 2007 3:31 PM EST

jerr11
what lies akippy.....

also tell me one politician that has never lied???

Avoid the base hypocrisy of condemning in one man what you pass over in silence when committed by another. - Cambridge, Massachusetts March 11, 1890 Theodore Roosevelt

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by scott4261 February 18, 2007 3:31 PM EST

Why the hell are you conservative nutjobs so obsessed with the Clintons? bill Clinton is not by any stretch a liberal. In fact, his "triangulation" with Republicans offended many of us on the left about - I'd say - 30% of the time.

Liberal radio host Mike Malloy calls him "the best Republican president of the 20th century."

Give it a rest, will ya.

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by radiob-2009 February 18, 2007 3:34 PM EST

lars008 You really should read Against All Enemies, then you would know that it was not until the end of Clintons presidency that the CIA knew that one organization was responsible for all the attacks that occured. That is why Clinton bomb the training camps in Afghanistan.The book is written by a republican and he served Bush Sr., Clinton and Bush Jr.
Get your facts straight!!!!

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by triassic-2009 February 18, 2007 3:35 PM EST

scott4261:

They keep bringing up Clinton to change the subject from Bush. Can you blame them? Must be tough being a neocon these days....

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by skyk-2009 February 18, 2007 3:36 PM EST

Well when you are supporting a leader who is without a doubt INSANE, that's about all you have. Sir Lies-A-Lot has taken 20,000 troops and are holding them hostage because WE the People are tired of his stupidity. But thats not the best part HE tells We the PEOPLE that our elections are meaningless AND if we want those troops back, the ONLY way we can do it is to take away their funding. Having grown up in the South I thought I'd heard and seen bigotry to the max but this Klan Boy tops even the worst of them. Talk about SICK??? When you become convinced that God gave you the job and HE is the only one you answer to, you're NUTS folks... just flat out NUTS!!

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by lars008-2009 February 18, 2007 3:40 PM EST

radiob and your link citing that is where?

"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process." - Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998

"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real..." - Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003

"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force -- if necessary -- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security." - Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002

"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line." - President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998

"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program." - President Bill Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998

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by frankly6 February 18, 2007 3:40 PM EST

Hey what happened to all the mission accompished idiots?

Oh that's right they became stay the course idiots?

But what happened to the stay the course idiots?

Oh that's right they became support the surge idiots.

Must be some good koolaid.

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by stanschwartz February 18, 2007 3:41 PM EST

Our President George Dubya Bush has proven himself over and over again as the lest educated, most foolhardy, self-serving in our nation's history including Tricky *** Nixon and U. S. Grant. He let the powerful people behind him, who got him into office without a fair election, form a foolish administration, which not only bungled the pursuit of Osama bin Laden in Afghanistan, but wanted the petroleum resources of Iraq, so we invaded Iraq despite the good advice of General Eric Shinseki, then the Army's Chief of Staff, and brilliant.

Now the President is learning that Congress, expressing the will of the US public, won't allow his misguided Administration to increase troop strength in Iraq,a nd it had best prevent the lengthening of touors in Afghanistan. We are sacrificing our finest young people to these misrun wars. Rumsfeld was a misfit, who never served int eh military himself. Nor did Karl Rove or Dickie Cheney. Let's impeache Cheney and Bush; let's put some one competent like Wes Clark into the Presidency as quickly as we can.

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by lars008-2009 February 18, 2007 3:41 PM EST

impeach him if you can then skippy....... hahahahahahaha

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by skyk-2009 February 18, 2007 3:42 PM EST

lars008 You really should read Against All Enemies, then you would know that it was not until the end of Clintons presidency that the CIA knew that one organization was responsible for all the attacks that occured. That is why Clinton bomb the training camps in Afghanistan.The book is written by a republican and he served Bush Sr., Clinton and Bush Jr.
Get your facts straight!!!!
Posted by radiob at 12:34 PM : Feb 18, 2007

Now you can't really blame these sheep for Fartwell and Robertson... at that time in our history they were coming up with LIES the like of which is how large we yet do not know. For some reason Clinton brings the Hood and Sheet out in these fascist... I mean you can see the blood on their fangs. How do you figure someone that hates their neighbors so bad you will blame an attack like 9/11 on OTEHR American's for no other reason than they do not agree with your religion? I'm not sure Bin Laden is much worse than these creatures. The ONLY difference I can see is the Religious Reich wasn't smart enough to learn how to fly planes. Having confronted them when they had ne rope ready... they were pretty animalistic.

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[missingamerica]

Hope it does not get any worse, but...it will be hard for the insurgents to resist picking up the gauntlets thrown down by the Bush surge and the Rice "see it is all better now" visit and comment...

[radiob-2009]

Something to ponder, that some of these bombings, killings are Shiite on Shiite and Sunni on Sunni.Why? It serves a two-fold purpose, one being that it emboldens the sectarian division throughtout the country and two it elimiates any potential rival in a particular area be it domination of a "land" area or "commerce" area.This is more than likely not the overall trend of the bombings and killings however it is worth consideration. The usage of this to foment the overall theme of sectarian division is in itself a tool of propaganda that is easy to exercise in the eyes of the government of Iraq providing deeper inter governmental disruption amongst the differing elected sects.This does not seem unlikely the net result of these types of actions is deeper division in the government. Something to consider.

[patriotic9]

Good job Bush!You were right.God is on your side.Who is Mr.God by the way?

[jerr11]

It is obvious this surge is going great!

[perception5]

It is obvious this surge is going great!
Posted by jerr11 at 11:14 AM : Feb 18, 2007
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Good job Bush!You were right.God is on your side.Who is Mr.God by the way?
Posted by patriotic9 at 11:09 AM : Feb 18, 2007

........It's nice to see Americans supporting our troops and their Comander-in-Chief. I'm sure our enemies will be depressed by the comments here.............. NOT!!

[pwrslm]

How do you stop a moron with a bomb? Surely they have been trying to figure that out for a few decades now, but nobody actually came up with a cure.

So why do you liberals expect Bush is responsible?

Short sighted conclusions have no impact on the real world, just in fantasy.

[jerr11]

Two more soldiers killed doing their duty for the country bringing the number to 3135.

Wonder how many more to go? Will it stop at 5000? Or 10,000? And who's the next one to go?

And when will the Bush twins join to fight their daddy's war? If you can't even get your own kids to believe in your war, why should we care?

It's so easy to keep the war going when you can send other people's kids to fight and die for you.

[pwrslm]

Hope it does not get any worse, but...it will be hard for the insurgents to resist picking up the gauntlets thrown down by the Bush surge and the Rice "see it is all better now" visit and comment...
Posted by ibsteve2u at 10:21 AM : Feb 18, 2007


Actually, we want them to stay busy. Thats how we find them. With the billions in Technology we have, we can actually record the events as they happen, and track them down from thier sources by replaying the tape.

[lars008-2009]

pwrslm

http://www.glennbeck.com/news/01302004.shtml
"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process." - Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998

"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real..." - Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003

"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force -- if necessary -- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security." - Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002

"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line." - President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998

"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program." - President Bill Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998

[jerr11]

"So why do you liberals expect Bush is responsible?

Posted by pwrslm at 11:25 AM : Feb 18, 2007"


If you take a blowtorch and burn down a barn, who is responsible? The blowtorch or you?

[formrusmcsgt]

All you neocons who were crowing about two days of reduced violence and how the president's plan was already working must be choking on our own slop right about now.......and Cheney was all set to say "mission accomplished" again.....

[lars008-2009]

The pacifist is as surely a traitor to his country and to humanity as is the most brutal wrongdoer. Theodore Roosevelt

[jerr11]

"........It's nice to see Americans supporting our troops and their Comander-in-Chief. I'm sure our enemies will be depressed by the comments here.............. NOT!!"

Supporting the Commander-in-Chief is one thing, supporting a corrupt Commander-in-Chief is another.

Fortunately, most Americans can see through the lies of this Adminitsration and are not about to follow him blindly.

In Waco, they believed in the lies of David Koresh too and followed him blindly to the bitter end too.

[lars008-2009]

%u201CIt is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly; who errs and comes short again and again; because there is not effort without error and shortcomings; but who does actually strive to do the deed; who knows the great enthusiasm, the great devotion, who spends himself in a worthy cause, who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement and who at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly. So that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who know neither victory nor defeat.%u201D Theodore Roosevelt

"...the man who really counts in the world is the doer, not the mere critic-the man who actually does the work, even if roughly and imperfectly, not the man who only talks or writes about how it ought to be done." (1891) Theodore Roosevelt

[lars008-2009]

clinton is a convicted and impeached liar.....

Avoid the base hypocrisy of condemning in one man what you pass over in silence when committed by another. - Cambridge, Massachusetts March 11, 1890 Theodore Roosevelt

[jerr11]

"...the man who really counts in the world is the doer, " (1891) Theodore Roosevelt
Posted by lars008 at 11:42 AM : Feb 18, 2007

Yeah! Like hiding out in the jungles of Alabama when others were fighting the war for them or sending your two kids to party while sending other people's kids to fight and die for you!

What a doer!

[lars008-2009]

The things that will destroy America are prosperity-at-any-price, peace-at-any-price, safety-first instead of duty-first, the love of soft living, and the get-rich-quick theory of life. Theodore Roosevelt

[lars008-2009]

jerr11

and where was clinton skippy....

Avoid the base hypocrisy of condemning in one man what you pass over in silence when committed by another. - Cambridge, Massachusetts March 11, 1890 Theodore Roosevelt

[jerr11]

"The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood,.%u201D Theodore Roosevelt

Yeah, it's real sweaty in the arena of the white house these days, dusty and bloody too!

This President deserves our great admiration for staying the course when others would cut and run.

Like I said, this war is a no brainer! Just send other people's kids to war while you defend the white house! It's almost as hard as defending Alabama from the Vietcongs!

[lars008-2009]

To sit home, read one's favorite paper, and scoff at the misdeeds of the men who do things is easy, but it is markedly ineffective. It is what evil men count upon the good men's doing. - The Outlook December 21, 1895 Theodore Roosevelt

[tuckerndfw]

If we use the same standard used to promote yesterday's headline, the headline should read, "White House Concedes Surge is a Failure."

Yesterday, the White House (Condo "Chevron Oil Tanker" Rice) was reportedly "optimistic" based on far less than this event.

[jerr11]

"clinton is a convicted and impeached liar....."

Posted by lars008 at 11:44 AM : Feb 18, 2007

A classic strategy is to distract and point the finger at others while you're in the middle of a crime.

Nice try!

[jerr11]

"To sit home, read one's favorite paper, and scoff at the misdeeds of the men who do things is easy,

- The Outlook December 21, 1895 Theodore Roosevelt
Posted by lars008 at 11:48 AM : Feb 18, 2007"

No, reading one's favorite paper and scoffing at others is hard. What is easy is sending other people's kids to fight and die for you.

[lars008-2009]

it is true nevertheless.....

what crime skippy???

[scott4261]

"clinton is a convicted and impeached liar....."

Posted by lars008 at 11:44 AM : Feb 18, 2007
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Actually, lars, the Senate fell short of enough votes to remove Clinton from office. I only wish enough in the Senate now with the b a l l s to remove Bush and Cheney. If decent president can be impeached for lying about a b l ow j o b from an intern, surely these incompetetent and decietful money-grubbing liars can be impeached for sending over 3100 of our soldiers to die. Not to mention the tens of thousands who are badly injured and maimed. They are evil.

[formrusmcsgt]

"clinton is a convicted and impeached liar....."

Posted by lars008 at 11:44 AM : Feb 18, 2007

How about a link to Clinton's impeachment, lars? You obviously can't remember bac to January 20, 2001, when Clinton was relieved by Bush. Impeached president leave office, the don't turn it ove rto their successor.....

[lars008-2009]

yes he was impeached........

and yes he was not removed.......

but he was still impeached.....

[formrusmcsgt]

By the house but not the Senate, lars.

[scott4261]

Ya know...I keep on hoping I will wake up and this whole presidency, from the Florida fiasco to 9/11 to the war to the s c r e w i n g of the poor - all of it - I keep hoping I will wake up from this BAD DREAM that never seems to end! These guys are pure evil and I just pray that our country and the world survive until they are out of office. Then, maybe - just maybe - we can save both.

[formrusmcsgt]

With this talk of impeachment lars, one would think you ran out of "I HATE MUSLIMS" links......could that be?

[lars008-2009]

Clinton Almost Military Career

Bill Clinton registers for the draft on September 08, 1964, accepting all contractual conditions of registering for the draft. Selective Service Number is 3 26 46 228.

Bill Clinton classified 2-S on November 17, 1964.

Bill Clinton reclassified 1-A on March 20, 1968.

Bill Clinton ordered to report for induction on July 28, 1969.

Bill Clinton refuses to report and is not inducted into the military.

Bill Clinton reclassified 1-D after enlisting in the United States Army Reserves on August 07, 1969, under authority of Col. E. Holmes. Clinton signs enlistment papers and takes oath of enlistment. Bill Clinton fails to report to his duty station at the University of Arkansas ROTC, September 1969.

Bill Clinton reclassified 1-A on October 30, 1969, as enlistment with Army Reserves is revoked by Colonel E. Holmes and Clinton now AWOL and subject to arrest under Public Law 90-40 (2)(a) registrant who has failed to report...remain liable for induction.

Bill Clinton's birth date lottery number is 311, drawn December 1, 1969, but anyone who has already been ordered to report for induction is INELIGIBLE!

Bill Clinton runs for Congress (1974), while a fugitive from justice under Public Law 90-40.

Bill Clinton runs for Arkansas Attorney General (1976), while a fugitive from justice. Bill Clinton receives pardon on January 21, 1977, from Carter.

[scott4261]

yes he was impeached........
and yes he was not removed.......
but he was still impeached.....

Posted by lars008 at 12:18 PM

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The moron & Co. should be impeached AND removed.

[formrusmcsgt]

Then, maybe - just maybe - we can save both.
Posted by scott4261 at 12:19 PM : Feb 18, 2007

I would say that it depends on the ratio between the self-righteous, xenophobes, and paranoids versus the sane population.

[lars008-2009]

like i said the house impeached clintoon.....

the senate did not remove him.......

the house impeaches....
the senate removes....

[scott4261]

lars,

Newsflash to you and all you people from the "Limbaugh Instuitute of Advnced Conservative Studies"....Bill Clinton IS NO LONGER PRESIDENT! A much more dangerous successor has taken his place!

[lars008-2009]

scott4261

that will never happen scotty....

[lars008-2009]

Bill Clinton FIRST PARDONED FEDERAL FELON ever to serve as President of the United States. All these facts come from Freedom of Information requests, public laws, and various books that have been published, and have not been refuted by Clinton.

After the 1993 World Trade Center bombing, President Clinton promised that those responsible would be hunted down and punished.

After the 1995 bombing in Saudi Arabia, which killed five U.S. military personnel, Clinton promised that those responsible would be hunted down and punished.

After the 1996 Khobar Towers bombing in Saudi Arabia, which killed 19 and injured 200 U.S. military personnel, Clinton promised that those responsible would be hunted down and punished.

After the 1998 bombing of U.S . embassies in Africa, which killed 224 and injured 5,000, Clinton promised that those responsible would be hunted down and punished.

After the 2000 bombing of the USS Cole, which killed 17 and injured 39 U.S. sailors, Clinton promised that those responsible would be hunted down and punished.

Maybe if Clinton had kept those promises, an estimated 3,000 people in New York and Washington, DC. who are now dead would be alive today.

[jerr11]

the house impeaches....
the senate removes....
Posted by lars008 at 12:23 PM : Feb 18, 2007

Sounds like you're a real smart guy. Why can't you see through this administration's lies and deceit?

Or are they paying you to troll these forums?

[scott4261]

scott4261

that will never happen scotty....
Posted by lars008 at 12:24 PM

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Probably not. But if Bush & Cheney were impeached, Nancy Pelosi is third in line for the presidency. If that happened, your head will surely explode!

[formrusmcsgt]

Clinton Almost Military Career...hey lars, tell us about Bush's military carreer.

[lars008-2009]

jerr11
what lies akippy.....

also tell me one politician that has never lied???

Avoid the base hypocrisy of condemning in one man what you pass over in silence when committed by another. - Cambridge, Massachusetts March 11, 1890 Theodore Roosevelt

[scott4261]

Why the hell are you conservative nutjobs so obsessed with the Clintons? bill Clinton is not by any stretch a liberal. In fact, his "triangulation" with Republicans offended many of us on the left about - I'd say - 30% of the time.

Liberal radio host Mike Malloy calls him "the best Republican president of the 20th century."

Give it a rest, will ya.

[radiob-2009]

lars008 You really should read Against All Enemies, then you would know that it was not until the end of Clintons presidency that the CIA knew that one organization was responsible for all the attacks that occured. That is why Clinton bomb the training camps in Afghanistan.The book is written by a republican and he served Bush Sr., Clinton and Bush Jr.
Get your facts straight!!!!

[triassic-2009]

scott4261:

They keep bringing up Clinton to change the subject from Bush. Can you blame them? Must be tough being a neocon these days....

[skyk-2009]

Well when you are supporting a leader who is without a doubt INSANE, that's about all you have. Sir Lies-A-Lot has taken 20,000 troops and are holding them hostage because WE the People are tired of his stupidity. But thats not the best part HE tells We the PEOPLE that our elections are meaningless AND if we want those troops back, the ONLY way we can do it is to take away their funding. Having grown up in the South I thought I'd heard and seen bigotry to the max but this Klan Boy tops even the worst of them. Talk about SICK??? When you become convinced that God gave you the job and HE is the only one you answer to, you're NUTS folks... just flat out NUTS!!

[lars008-2009]

radiob and your link citing that is where?

"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process." - Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998

"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real..." - Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003

"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force -- if necessary -- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security." - Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002

"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line." - President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998

"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program." - President Bill Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998

[frankly6]

Hey what happened to all the mission accompished idiots?

Oh that's right they became stay the course idiots?

But what happened to the stay the course idiots?

Oh that's right they became support the surge idiots.

Must be some good koolaid.

[stanschwartz]

Our President George Dubya Bush has proven himself over and over again as the lest educated, most foolhardy, self-serving in our nation's history including Tricky *** Nixon and U. S. Grant. He let the powerful people behind him, who got him into office without a fair election, form a foolish administration, which not only bungled the pursuit of Osama bin Laden in Afghanistan, but wanted the petroleum resources of Iraq, so we invaded Iraq despite the good advice of General Eric Shinseki, then the Army's Chief of Staff, and brilliant.

Now the President is learning that Congress, expressing the will of the US public, won't allow his misguided Administration to increase troop strength in Iraq,a nd it had best prevent the lengthening of touors in Afghanistan. We are sacrificing our finest young people to these misrun wars. Rumsfeld was a misfit, who never served int eh military himself. Nor did Karl Rove or Dickie Cheney. Let's impeache Cheney and Bush; let's put some one competent like Wes Clark into the Presidency as quickly as we can.

[lars008-2009]

impeach him if you can then skippy....... hahahahahahaha

[skyk-2009]

lars008 You really should read Against All Enemies, then you would know that it was not until the end of Clintons presidency that the CIA knew that one organization was responsible for all the attacks that occured. That is why Clinton bomb the training camps in Afghanistan.The book is written by a republican and he served Bush Sr., Clinton and Bush Jr.
Get your facts straight!!!!
Posted by radiob at 12:34 PM : Feb 18, 2007

Now you can't really blame these sheep for Fartwell and Robertson... at that time in our history they were coming up with LIES the like of which is how large we yet do not know. For some reason Clinton brings the Hood and Sheet out in these fascist... I mean you can see the blood on their fangs. How do you figure someone that hates their neighbors so bad you will blame an attack like 9/11 on OTEHR American's for no other reason than they do not agree with your religion? I'm not sure Bin Laden is much worse than these creatures. The ONLY difference I can see is the Religious Reich wasn't smart enough to learn how to fly planes. Having confronted them when they had ne rope ready... they were pretty animalistic.