NEW YORK, Feb. 16, 2007

NY Man Charged With Trying To Fund Terror

Prosecutors Allege Suburban NYC Businessman Tried To Send $152K For Afghan Terrorist Training Camp

  • Court sketch of Abdul Tawala Alishtari at his initial appearance in Manhattan federal court. He was denied bail. Photo

    Court sketch of Abdul Tawala Alishtari at his initial appearance in Manhattan federal court. He was denied bail.  (Jane Rosenberg/CBS)

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(CBS/AP)  Terrorism charges brought Friday against the administrator of a loan investment program claimed that he secretly tried to send $152,000 to the Middle East to buy equipment such as night vision goggles for a terrorist training camp in Afghanistan.

Abdul Tawala Ibn Ali Alishtari, 53, of Ardsley, N.Y., pleaded not guilty in U.S. District Court in Manhattan to an indictment accusing him of terrorism financing, material support of terrorism and other charges. The charges carried a potential penalty of 95 years in prison.

Alishtari, also known as Michael Mixon, was detained pending a court appearance next week after Assistant U.S. Attorney Jonathan S. Kolodner said Alishtari was a danger to the community and a risk to flee. He was arrested on Thursday in Manhattan, prosecutors said.

Alishtari's court-appointed lawyer, Richard Greenfield, said he was not familiar enough with the case to present a bail package. Outside court, Greenfield declined to comment.

The indictment said Alishtari tried to support terrorists between June and December by accepting an unspecified amount of money to transfer $152,000 that he believed was being sent to Pakistan and Afghanistan to support an Afghanistan terrorist training camp.

He believed the money would be used to fund the purchase of night vision goggles and other equipment, the indictment said.

He was also charged with money laundering for allegedly causing the transfer on Aug. 17 of about $25,000 from a bank account in New York to a bank account in Montreal, Canada. The money was to be used to provide material support to terrorist, prosecutors said.

The indictment also charged him with wire fraud conspiracy and wire fraud. It said he devised a scheme to administer and promote a fraudulent loan investment program known as "Flat Eletronic Data Interchange" through which Alishtari and others fraudulently obtained millions of dollars from investors by promising high guaranteed rates of return.

CBS News has confirmed that Alishtari is a donor to the Republican Party, as he claims on his curriculum vitae. Alishtari gave $15,500 to the National Republican Campaign Committee between 2002 and 2004, according to Federal Election Commission records. That amount includes $13,000 in 2003, a year when he claims to have been named NRCC New York State Businessman of the Year.

Alishtari also claims to be a lifetime member of the National Republican Senate Committee's Inner Circle, which the NRCC describes as "an impressive cross-section of American society – community leaders, business executives, entrepreneurs, retirees, and sports and entertainment celebrities – all of whom hold a deep interest in our nation's prosperity and security."



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by feelfree1 February 16, 2007 8:48 PM EST
Surely this is not more of the many, many, unsubstantiated nonsense claims that we have seen to date?

How many more innocent people must rot in Guantanimo Bay prison, before the chicken-hawks will feel safe?
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by aa36042 February 16, 2007 9:01 PM EST
feelfree1

did you just write what i think you wrote in response to this story? are you kidding? with the facts outlined above you choose to answer in that way? wow..you sound like a very objective person that has u.s. interetsts at heart? more likely than not you are some self hating lib that makes excuses for people that hate and want to kill americans..so sad. you suck
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by feelfree1 February 16, 2007 9:12 PM EST
aa36042,

Sounds like you have already reached a verdict. Why bother with a trial?
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by standlee5 February 16, 2007 10:14 PM EST
People who support activities that put US troops or civilians at risk should be tried for treason. simple. I think it's punishable by death. It's time to get serious and get our heads out of the clouds.
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by fredegrar February 16, 2007 10:29 PM EST
Calling all conspiracy theorists! Here's some fodder for ya... the NRCC is actually covertly funding terrorists/ism (via this fellow's inept money laundering schemes). Something along the lines of "Keeping the terrorists in business, keeps us in business."

I'm not saying that *I* actually believe this, but I'm sure I'm not the only one capabale/cynical enough to connect those particular dots. The only question is whether he actaully is connected to the RNCC, how many people *will* believe there's a conspiracy, and just how plausible is such a theory anyway? Fire away!
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by formrusmcsgt February 17, 2007 12:05 AM EST
Well, so much for the argument that they'll follow us home, eh?
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by formrusmcsgt February 17, 2007 12:07 AM EST
How many more innocent people must rot in Guantanimo Bay prison, before the chicken-hawks will feel safe?
Posted by feelfree1 at 05:48 PM : Feb 16, 2007

Enough to keep the line at the Kool-aid stand going, of course...
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by rharrin1 February 17, 2007 12:57 AM EST
See the republican party is supporting terrorism.
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by jdweymouth February 17, 2007 1:47 AM EST
So he donates to the party. What of it? The communist party of America instructs its members to vote for democrats.
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by stevex47 February 17, 2007 1:53 AM EST
I kinda wonder why they didn't just keep gathering info on his terrorist ties? He seems like a small fish that could lead to bigger fish maybe?
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by down-ndirty February 17, 2007 4:29 AM EST
"So he donates to the party. What of it? The communist party of America instructs its members to vote for democrats." Posted by jdweymouth

Do you have a 'source' for this or are you just shooting from the lip?
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by down-ndirty February 17, 2007 4:36 AM EST
"See the republican party is supporting terrorism." Posted by rharrin1

More like terrorism is supporting the repugnican party. It's a win-win situation; they keep each other in business.
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by luigi999-2009 February 17, 2007 6:12 AM EST
Anybody with half a brain can see this guy was using the Republican Party as a cover, knowing the Republicans are out to get terrorists he felt he had the perfect cover in that nobody would suspect him.

It didn't work.

Anybody working to subvert the U.S.A. while living here is guilty of treason, including this terrorist.
When will people in this country wake up?
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by lars008-2009 February 17, 2007 7:14 AM EST
Franklin D. Roosevelt's Infamy Speech
December 8, 1941/September 12, 2001
The facts of yesterday speak for themselves. The people of the United States have already formed their opinions and well understand the implications to the very life and safety of our nation.

As Commander-in-Chief of the Army and Navy, I have directed that all measures be taken for our defense.

Always will we remember the character of the onslaught against us. No matter how long it may take us to overcome this premeditated invasion, the American people in their righteous might will win through to absolute victory.

I believe I interpret the will of the Congress and of the people when I assert that we will not only defend ourselves to the uttermost but will make very certain that this form of treachery shall never endanger us again.

Hostilities exist. There is no blinking at the fact that our people, our territory and our interests are in grave danger.

With confidence in our armed forces - with the unbounded determination of our people - we will gain the inevitable triumph - so help us God.
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by lars008-2009 February 17, 2007 7:15 AM EST
USA's PLEDGE 2 THE WORLD GIVEN BY JFK!!
"Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe, in order to assure the survival and the success of liberty."
--John F. Kennedy, Inaugural Address, Jan. 20, 1961 "

"Ask not what your country can do for you. Ask what you can do for your country." --John F. Kennedy, Inaugural Address, Jan. 20, 1961 "

One ought never to turn one's back on a threatened danger and try to run away from it. If you do that, you will double the danger. But if you meet it promptly and without flinching, you will reduce the danger by half. Winston Churchill

Edmund Burke: All that is necessary for evil to succeed is that good men do nothing.
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by lars008-2009 February 17, 2007 7:24 AM EST
this is the real threat to humanity.....
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by lars008-2009 February 17, 2007 7:26 AM EST
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by lars008-2009 February 17, 2007 7:29 AM EST
here's your enemy skippy..... try to remember that..... there will be a test later....
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by lars008-2009 February 17, 2007 7:32 AM EST
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by lars008-2009 February 17, 2007 7:40 AM EST
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by lars008-2009 February 17, 2007 7:45 AM EST
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Muslim students 'being taught to despise unbelievers as filth'
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Sheik Muhammad Nassar: Let's listen to a very beautiful story to learn about the courage of a child, and how, when a child is brought up in a good home, and receives proper education in faith, he loves martyrdom, which becomes like an instinct for him. He can never give it up."
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by jdweymouth February 17, 2007 7:48 AM EST
down-ndirty: It is the policy of the Communist Party USA to support democrats, that is a fact. They do this because the CPUSA is not strong enough on any level. An example is the 2006 elections where a candidate for the U.S. Senate from a midwestern state, Iowa I believe, was endorsed by the CPUSA. There are many examples, but a good link to show that socialists endorse the Democratic Party is http://www.politics1.com/parties.htm. If you read about some of the socialist 3rd parties you'll find that they encourage their members to vote Democratic, 2 specifically are, Socialist Party USA, and the CPUSA itself.

There are many examples, but a good link to show that socialists endorse the Democratic Party is http://www.politics1.com/parties.htm itself
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by lars008-2009 February 17, 2007 7:50 AM EST
Islam: What the West Needs to Know
http://www.whatthewestneedstoknow.com/
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Walid Shoebat One Less Terrorist
One Less Terrorist
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Brigitte Gabriel explodes Mideast 'lies'
Israeli Arab explodes Mideast 'lies'
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=43175
The unholy past of the Muslim cleric demanding the Pope's execution
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-23367406-details/The+unholy past of the Muslim cleric demanding the Pope's execution/article.do
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by lars008-2009 February 17, 2007 7:56 AM EST
SUBMIT TO ISLAM???....HELL NO!!!
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What the West Needs to Know
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OBSESSION
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ISLAM HATED WORLDWIDE VIDEO!!!
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Clinton admits he was offered bin Laden but refuses
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al-Qaida in Iraq: 4,000 Insurgents Dead
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20060928/D8KDUES80.html
ISLAMS WAR WITH THE WORLD!!
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by cvan3 February 17, 2007 10:17 AM EST
I am sure that the liberals will find a reason to let this criminal go, considering their entire agenda is focused on appeasement of Islamic fascists. Perhaps one day America will wake up and realize that we are at war with a known enemy that just so happens to fit an easily described profile. Learn more about political correctness run amok at www.christophervan.com
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by jdweymouth February 17, 2007 10:30 AM EST
Correction of previous post. Also, lars008 embedded my last post in with his.

down-ndirty: It is the policy of the Communist Party USA to support democrats, that is a fact. They do this because the CPUSA is not strong enough on any level. An example is the 2006 elections where a candidate for the U.S. Senate from a midwestern state, Iowa I believe, was endorsed by the CPUSA. If you read about some of the socialist 3rd parties you'll find that they encourage their members to vote Democratic, 2 specifically are, Socialist Party USA, and the CPUSA itself.

There are many examples, but a good link to show that socialists endorse the Democratic Party is http://www.politics1.com/parties.htm
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by jdweymouth February 17, 2007 10:31 AM EST
The candidate endorsed was a democrat, by the way.
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by rharrin1 February 17, 2007 10:35 AM EST


Knowing the republicans are out to get terrorist????

bush stopped looking for bin laden in Afghanistan and went to Iraq gee I wonder why he would do that. OH I forgot Afghanistan doesn't have oil.
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by jdweymouth February 17, 2007 11:27 AM EST
rharrin1: If oil was the reason, than why are the gas prices skyrocketing? Prove you're allegations. There is no factual evidence to support your allegations; you%u2019re just full of hate. You also want us to lose (*To lose* means we haven't lost) the war in Iraq, and you are willing to lie and deceive to accomplish this goal. Liberal Democrats are angry for many reasons, and these are the reasons: Bush won 2 elections in a row, he is way better than Clinton, and because Republicans can legitimately blame a liberal Democrat for our defeat in Vietnam. Now the Democrats and liberals want to even the score. You people want to turn Iraq into Vietnam. We are winning the war in Iraq, and I can't wait until this security crackdown works. At that point we will have proven the fact that we are have been winning, and it will expose you as the anti-American traitors that you are.

I got off on a tirade, but I figured that I have as much as a right as you liberals do. At least my statements are based on intellectual conclusions based on facts, and observation.
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by formrusmcsgt February 17, 2007 11:32 AM EST
bush stopped looking for bin laden in Afghanistan and went to Iraq gee I wonder why he would do that. OH I forgot Afghanistan doesn't have oil.
Posted by rharrin1 at 07:35 AM : Feb 17, 2007

Bush and the neocons wanted 4 permanent bases in Iraq. That's why they cut and ran from Afghanistan.....
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by formrusmcsgt February 17, 2007 11:35 AM EST
You also want us to lose (*To lose* means we haven't lost) the war in Iraq, and you are willing to lie and deceive to accomplish this goal.
Posted by jdweymouth at 08:27 AM : Feb 17, 2007

Typical neocon rhetoric. Anyone who recognizes a failed strategy is a traitor and "wants" Amerca to fail in Iraq.

It's not a question of wanting, it's a question of reality.

A standing army can never defeat a competent geurilla force that has the support of the local polulace. A few examples of same:

Colombia and the Phillipines have been failing with this same strategy for forty years now.

Guatemala failed with it for 36 years until they sat down to the peace table.

We failed with it for 20 years in Viet Nam until we sat down to the peace table.

The USSR failed with it for 12 years in Afghanistan until they packed up and went home.

It's like starting off on a trip in the wrong direction and convincing yourself that if you drive long enough, you'll reach your destination anyway.....

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by pwrslm February 17, 2007 11:37 AM EST
Bill Clinton supported the Taliban while they acted as tyrants enforcing strict Orthodox Islam on the people of Afghanistan cutting peoples hands, feet and heads off in public.

I dont think liberals have any clue about reality here, all they want is a place to vent thier fantasy paranoia.
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by formrusmcsgt February 17, 2007 11:38 AM EST
You also want us to lose (*To lose* means we haven't lost) the war in Iraq, and you are willing to lie and deceive to accomplish this goal.
Posted by jdweymouth at 08:27 AM : Feb 17, 2007

If we're winning why do our officials, after 4 years of combat, still have to sneak in and out of Iraq unannounced like terrorists?
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by formrusmcsgt February 17, 2007 11:39 AM EST
I dont think liberals have any clue about reality here, all they want is a place to vent thier fantasy paranoia.
Posted by pwrslm at 08:37 AM : Feb 17, 2007

Riiigggghhhtttt...it's the libs here who spout all the paranoia about Muslims.

Give me a break......
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by formrusmcsgt February 17, 2007 11:42 AM EST
I dont think liberals have any clue about reality here, all they want is a place to vent thier fantasy paranoia.
Posted by pwrslm at 08:37 AM : Feb 17, 2007

So your brothers lars008, one_american, lieberman181, et.al., are all libs now, eh?

I'm sure they'd slap you for that one if they could.
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by hillaryin08 February 17, 2007 12:37 PM EST
Here is how it will read if the current offense is successful

Democrats Charged With Trying To Fund Terror Training Camps
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by hillaryin08 February 17, 2007 12:39 PM EST
We failed with it for 20 years in Viet Nam until we sat down to the peace table.

formrusmcsgt

we where only there for a total of 10 years. The highest combat optempo was 67-70 with 75% of all combat losses during that time frame.
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by hillaryin08 February 17, 2007 12:43 PM EST
The only reason the Viet-namese sat down to the peace table in the first place was because of Line-backer II / Nixon. We basically bombed them into the stone age. Otherwise, they just scoffed at out attemps to talk to them. Why should they, they where winning over there and in the United States. The same liberal congress in power today was spitting on the troops 40 years ago.
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by formrusmcsgt February 17, 2007 1:11 PM EST
we where only there for a total of 10 years. The highest combat optempo was 67-70 with 75% of all combat losses during that time frame.
Posted by hillaryin08 at 09:39 AM : Feb 17, 2007

Head up your a$$ as usual, hillary. We went in under Eisenhower and came out under Nixon. You do the math. You have enough fingers and toes for that.
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by jdweymouth February 17, 2007 2:44 PM EST
formrusmcsgt: What do you mean we%u2019ve failed? We%u2019ve helped set up democracy that 70% of the population took part in. We ousted a dictator that DID possess WMDs. These were our objectives, so what is your definition of winning and losing? I%u2019m sick of hearing the liberal mantra that %u201Cit%u2019s not a matter of what we want, we%u2019ve lost already%u201D. It%u2019s not true, if you could possibly think it were true, it%u2019s wishful thinking. Answer the question, whether or not we%u2019ve lost already: would/do you want us to win?

I%u2019ll give plenty of examples where a %u201Ccompetent%u201D insurgency has been crushed by a standing army:

The Philippines, 1905-American forces under General Pershing crushed an Islamic insurgency by fighting them where it hurts: their religion. Find the specifics yourself.

Russia, 1941-1944-German occupational guerrilla hunters crushed Russian partisan opposition. (Note: opposition only started after the Russians realized the Germans weren%u2019t liberators, a fair epitaph of communism)

Germany, 1945-Allied occupation forces crushed the insurgency that had the support of the local population.

The Boer Wars, South Africa, 1902-1902-The British crushed a separatist guerrilla movement, that had been started by the original Dutch settlers of South Africa.
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by jdweymouth February 17, 2007 2:45 PM EST
The Russian loss in Afghanistan can largely be attributed to small arms supplies on our part. Kind of like what the Iranians may be doing now. So. Iran has taken a part in a war against us, in simpler term you%u2019ll understand: they%u2019ve committed an act of war!

Lastly, as someone already pointed out, we bombed North Vietnam into the Stone Age; in other words, we forced them to the peace table. In addition, by that time, the Viet Cong had been nearly neutralized completely by South Vietnamese, and American forces. We never lost a battle in that war.
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by lippett February 17, 2007 2:47 PM EST
As with Vietnam, we're proving again we simply won't allow ourselves to win a war. Any war. It's like having to fight a junkyard dog with SPCA rules. We now demand our military fight politically-correct wars and if these 18 and 19 yr. old kids don't or can't, court-martial 'em. Then put our border patrol agents in jail for doing what they were hired to do. A corrupt United Nations tells the world its always America's fault and hey; if it makes Bush look bad, we're all for it, whether the U.N. despises us or not. We've forever diminished the Oval Office globally by portaying our President as a buffoon or worse yet, Hitler...and I didn't even vote for the guy. The next 9/11 will change nothing; whatever happened will still be America's fault. Everyone will blame everyone else but nothing will change. Soon we'll make legal 20 million or so "undocumented workers"; they'll basically vote in unison for whomever promises them the most free stuff,(while our gov't tells the 6 million going about it LEGALLY to go screw themselves),and soon thereafter, we'll be staring at insolvency. Twenty years from now we'll look back and wonder how we simply allowed all this to happen.
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by fizzie319 February 17, 2007 7:14 PM EST
*sigh* This is a prime example of the Patriot Act hard at work.

What many people do not know is the fact that when dealing with foreigners, whether temporary or permanent citizens, probable cause is not used in order to charge people with terrorism. Instead reasonable cause is used. Whats the difference?

Probable Cause: A reasonable ground for belief in the existence of facts warranting the proceedings complained of (eg, probable cause to believe that a crime has been committed and that the person accused may have committed it). (State of Virginia's Definition)

Reasonable Cause: is the suspicion that a crime is being committed or is being planned to be committed. It requires a much lower standard than probable cause, which requires evidence of criminal matters. Controversially, reasonable cause is used by FISA and the USA PATRIOT Act when the FISC approves a surveillance order. (Wikipedia definition)

The differences? The time period in which a crime is committed. Probable cause indicates a crime has occurred. Reasonable cause is a suspicion that a crime is being committed or is being planned to be committed. It also doesn't require evidence of criminal behavior.

What is really going on here?
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by bluestardad February 17, 2007 7:53 PM EST
What about the Saudis they have been funding terror for years? They are doing the killing 3 to 1 in Iraq who is calling for attacks on them?
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by guav-2009 February 17, 2007 9:05 PM EST
HAMILTONGRAD:

You're a little confused. "Wolverines" is Patrick Swayze and his hish school insurgents from the movie Red Dawn.

The Nazi insurgents you think you're talking about were called "Werewolves," and the reality of what they actually did and did not do is far from what you're saying:

http://www.slate.com/id/2087768/
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by notproperly February 17, 2007 10:33 PM EST
Would someone explain to me why CBS/AP found it
necessary to mention US POLITICS in this article.
Do you guys ever pass up a chance to dig the
Republican party. I would bet the farm that
if this terrorist contributed to the DEMS,
it would be so quiet that you could hear a pin
drop.
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by formrusmcsgt February 18, 2007 11:20 AM EST
I would bet the farm that
if this terrorist contributed to the DEMS,
it would be so quiet that you could hear a pin
drop.
Posted by notproperly at 07:33 PM : Feb 17, 2007

Perhaps you would prefer a state run media such as they have in China to prohibit any news that the administration doesn't care for making it into print?
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by formrusmcsgt February 18, 2007 11:24 AM EST
Answer the question, whether or not we%u2019ve lost already: would/do you want us to win?
Posted by jdweymouth at 11:44 AM : Feb 17, 2007

Of course I would wish to see our warriors not wasted as they are being now. But four years of failure give us no concrete reason to expect anything but more of the same.

Continuing bad strategy is like starting off on a trip in the wrong direction and convincing yourself that if you just drive long enough in that wrong direction, you arrive at your destination anyway.
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by austin2223 February 18, 2007 12:09 PM EST
NY man charged with trying to fund terror, Muslim`s can not lie to infidels they can say black is white,with a clear conscience, its there beliefs in a court of law they can deny any thing.The only reason they can justify selling you sustenance (food)because your an infidel there get out clause with there book, conversion its the only way they can live amongst us. Or else there religion would condemn them to death
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by kba78 February 18, 2007 12:30 PM EST
just go's to show you dont now who to trust anymore !
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