U.S.: Militant Cleric Fled Iraq For Iran

Al-Sadr Thought To Be In Tehran; Top U.S. General Questions Claims That Iran Is Arming Militants In Iraq

(CBS/AP)  A radical anti-American cleric fled Iraq for Iran ahead of a security crackdown in Baghdad and President George W. Bush's influx of 21,500 U.S. troops, a senior U.S. official said Tuesday.

Muqtada al-Sadr left his Baghdad stronghold some weeks ago, the official said. Al-Sadr is believed to be in Tehran, where he has family. The official, speaking on condition of anonymity to discuss U.S. monitoring activities, said fractures in al-Sadr's political and militia operations may be part of the reason for his departure. The move probably is not permanent, the official said.

Word of al-Sadr's departure coincides with an announcement that Iraq will close its borders with Iran and Syria for 72 hours as part of the drive to end the violence that has threatened to divide the capital along sectarian lines.

Meanwhile, the top U.S. military officer said Tuesday the discovery that roadside bombs in Iraq contained material made in Iran does not necessarily mean the Iranian government was involved in supplying insurgents.

The comments by Gen. Peter Pace, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, called into question assertions by three senior U.S. military officials in Baghdad on Sunday who said the highest levels of Iranian government were responsible for arming Shiite militants in Iraq with the bombs, blamed for the deaths of more than 170 troops in the U.S.-led coalition.

White House spokesman Tony Snow said Monday he was confident the weaponry was coming with the approval of the Iranian government.

Pace told reporters in the Indonesian capital, Jakarta, that U.S. forces hunting militant networks in Iraq that produced roadside bombs had arrested Iranians and some of the materials used in the devices were made in Iran.

"That does not translate that the Iranian government per se, for sure, is directly involved in doing this," Pace said. "What it does say is that things made in Iran are being used in Iraq to kill coalition soldiers."

In other developments:

The House of Representatives began an emotional debate Tuesday on whether President Bush's decision to add more U.S. troops to the nearly four-year-old war in Iraq is a mistake that has to be reversed.

A suicide truck bomber blew himself up near a college and a ration office in a mainly Shiite area of the capital Tuesday, killing at least 15 people, officials said, a day after car bombs devastated a Baghdad marketplace. Tuesday's attack, which also wounded 27 people, was the latest in a series of bombings that came despite a U.S.-Iraqi security crackdown aimed at stopping the sectarian violence that has killed hundreds since the start of the year.

Iraq will close its borders with Syria and Iran for 72 hours as part of the drive to secure and pacify Baghdad, the Iraqi commander of the crackdown said Tuesday. Lt. Gen. Abboud Gambar, addressing the nation on behalf of Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki, did not say when the borders would be closed. A government official said it was expected within two days.

Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki told Iraqi state television that the security operation would begin in the next day or two. The U.S. military announced last week that the sweep was already in progress. But an al-Maliki aide, who spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the subject, said the operation had not yet begun, as far as the Iraqi government was concerned.

The U.S. military said a soldier was killed Sunday in fighting in volatile Anbar province, west of Baghdad, raising to 42 the number of American deaths this month.

On Monday, Gen. Pace said he had no firm knowledge that the Iranian government had sanctioned the arming of the Iraqi insurgents.

"It is clear that Iranians are involved, and it's clear that materials from Iran are involved, but I would not say by what I know that the Iranian government clearly knows or is complicit," Pace told the Voice of America.

Iran denied it gave sophisticated weapons to militants to attack U.S. forces.

"Such accusations cannot be relied upon or be presented as evidence. The United States has a long history in fabricating evidence. Such charges are unacceptable," Foreign Ministry spokesman Mohammad Ali Hosseini told reporters in Tehran.

The Joint Chiefs chairman is the senior military adviser to the president, but he commands no troops and is not in the chain of command that runs from the president to the secretary of defense to commanders in the field.

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by santo_marco February 13, 2007 2:10 PM EST

I guess it was the politically correct thing to do. This country is run by spineless weaklings, and it's all due to the fear of not being politically correct enough for the world's whiny liberals.

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by skyk-2009 February 13, 2007 2:12 PM EST

Sir Lies-A-Lot may FINALLY be accepting the TRUTH that the American People WILL NOT stand for a dictator, PERIOD. He can sell his snake oil to Red Necks by the truck load but to real American's.... Well we ain't buying it. I'm not going to support anything Bush says PERIOD. When he stood in front of me and the entire nation and KNOWING lied about Nuke's he does NOT deserve my trust. He should the the Right thing and resign.

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by skyk-2009 February 13, 2007 2:15 PM EST

I guess it was the politically correct thing to do. This country is run by spineless weaklings, and it's all due to the fear of not being politically correct enough for the world's whiny liberals.
Posted by santo_marco at 11:10 AM : Feb 13, 2007

Wow man! So YOU want to start a War with ANOTHER Country on LIES? Just how many dead innocent people would make you fascist happy? I'm serious as a Combat Veteran who has heard the screams of American's fall at his side, I'd like an answer! I'm so tired of you losers and your "Blame the Liberal's" garbage I could throw up!!

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by bigwhtpony February 13, 2007 2:22 PM EST

Just how many dead innocent people would make you fascist happy? Posted by skyk at 11:15 AM : Feb 13, 2007

As many as it takes to shut you left wing, pansy, commie, liberals up.

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by skyk-2009 February 13, 2007 2:25 PM EST

As many as it takes to shut you left wing, pansy, commie, liberals up.
Posted by bigwhtpony at 11:22 AM : Feb 13, 2007


LOL Oh PLEASE! It's not embarrassing enough to be talking to someone this stupid but to have them respond like a child? I asked you a serious question as a DISABLED COMBAT VETERAN and I deserve an ANSWER! I have, unlike you, actually BEEN in Combat... You acting like a Nazi is just plain insulting!

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by dallison7 February 13, 2007 2:34 PM EST

"That does not translate that the Iranian government per se, for sure, is directly involved in doing this," Pace said. "What it does say is that things made in Iran are being used in Iraq to kill coalition soldiers."

What do you know!! Some logic!! I wonder how long it will take Bush to replace him now.

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by shingles1 February 13, 2007 2:41 PM EST

"As many as it takes to shut you left wing, pansy, commie, liberals up.
Posted by bigwhtpony"

Same idiot talking point that blames liberals for everything. FACT - a majority of Americans are not liberal. In fact, a paltry 20% of Americans identify themselves as liberal. Yet 60% of Americans think the Iraq War was a mistake. If you think only liberals have problems w/the Iraq War, then you've got some serious brain damage to attend to.

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by briannorwood February 13, 2007 2:46 PM EST

See here's the thing...

This administration has lost all credibility, so no matter what evidence they have--real or imagined--cannot be taken seriously.

This is what happens to liars. And sadly as a result, this administration has severely weakened our ability to deal effectively with international diplomacy.

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by shingles1 February 13, 2007 2:46 PM EST

"That does not translate that the Iranian government per se, for sure, is directly involved in doing this," Pace said. "What it does say is that things made in Iran are being used in Iraq to kill coalition soldiers."

Things "made in the USA" (whether bought in the black market, sitting in depots, or brought over from Saudi Arabia, etc.) are also being used to kill American troops. Does it necessary follow that the US Government is directly involved in this?

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by radiob-2009 February 13, 2007 2:47 PM EST

Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki told Iraqi state television that the security operation would begin in the next day or two. The U.S. military announced last week that the sweep was already in progress. But an al-Maliki aide, who spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the subject, said the operation had not yet begun, as far as the Iraqi government was concerned.

Sound like the left hand either doesn't know what the right hand is doing or is not in sync with the US. Not suprising from the Al Maliki govt.

"It is clear that Iranians are involved, and it's clear that materials from Iran are involved, but I would not say by what I know that the Iranian government clearly knows or is complicit," Pace told the Voice of America.

Perhaps the source of intel for once is being questioned, the London Times, Telegraph and the Washington Post had reported on the IED being from Iran about a mth. ago with the source being an Iranian dissident, much like the intel that originally brought us into this conflict was from dissidents which proved to be false.
The intel community was supposed to improve after 9/11, with conflicting reports like these one has to wonder if the overhaul produce any results. We do not need to start another war based on this kind of intel. Scrutinize it before reacting, question it when it is at odds with other reports. The middle east is already in a precarious situation and extreme caution should be exercised before action.

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by karlimhof February 13, 2007 2:54 PM EST

"Things" made in USA, like Iran, have also a habit of killing people - take for example our lovely "cluster bombs" which Israel has spead across southern Lebanon like flower seeds. Millions of "little bombs" looking like play-things to children. Whole villages have been abandoned to save the kids- but Israel is only protecting itself, I forgot.

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by bluestardad February 13, 2007 2:58 PM EST

Sunnis are being supplied by Saudi Arabia that is who is killing the Sheiits in Baghdad! Get it right!

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by karlimhof February 13, 2007 2:58 PM EST

bigwhtpony

we used to have a voice like yours online some time back. his name was "lieberman". he was a couragous guy like you and decided to join up and pack off to irak. why don't you too?

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by dallison7 February 13, 2007 3:15 PM EST

Things "made in the USA" (whether bought in the black market, sitting in depots, or brought over from Saudi Arabia, etc.) are also being used to kill American troops. Does it necessary follow that the US Government is directly involved in this?
Posted by shingles1


And... what should we do attack ourselves?

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by lars008-2009 February 13, 2007 3:16 PM EST

skyk... thinks he is living in venezuela and that hugo chavez is bush......

All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.
Edmund Burke

One ought never to turn one's back on a threatened danger and try to run away from it. If you do that, you will double the danger. But if you meet it promptly and without flinching, you will reduce the danger by half. Winston Churchill

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by luvny-2009 February 13, 2007 3:20 PM EST

Just how many dead innocent people would make you fascist happy? Posted by skyk at 11:15 AM : Feb 13, 2007

As many as it takes to shut you left wing, pansy, commie, liberals up.
Posted by bigwhtpony at 11:22 AM : Feb 13, 2007

bigwhtpony you are a moron what a childish answer but then again your id big white pony says something also LOL

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by frankly6 February 13, 2007 3:22 PM EST

lars008

Why haven't you joined the army yet?

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by karlimhof February 13, 2007 3:28 PM EST

lars008

read some your muslim hate stuff - got a real problem dude - gotta get some counciling.

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by lars008-2009 February 13, 2007 3:28 PM EST

frankly6

why haven't you blown yourself up yet haji?

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by lars008-2009 February 13, 2007 3:32 PM EST

is islam a violation of international law???

islam practices slavery on non muslims
islam practices apartheid on non muslims
islam practices rape on non muslims
islam practices rape on babies and animals
islam practices genocide on non muslims

all are violations of international law and are crimes against humanity

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=slavery+islam&btnG=Search
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=slavery muslim&btnG=Google Search
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/4795808.stm
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=apartheid islam
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=apartheid muslim
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=rape islam
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=rape muslim&btnG=Search
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=rape islam babies&btnG=Search
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=rape muslim babies&btnG=Search
Imam Khomeini - Supreme Leader of the Islamic Revolution
http://www.homa.org/Details.asp?ContentID=2137352826&TOCID=2083225445
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=genocide islam&btnG=Search
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=genocide muslim

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by karlimhof February 13, 2007 3:33 PM EST

lars008

dude, you can work this thing out - you gotta have faith bro - drop the hate stuff - it's negative and it'll give you ulcers or worse!

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by lochlan-2009 February 13, 2007 3:34 PM EST

Typical Bush Admin. hype with no base, no support... getting the media all in a frenzie over something they know not to be true, atleast the way they are saying it. Sure hope we don't find any metal tubing in Iraq that might be made in Iran, if they do, this administration could say Iran is supplying Iraq with nuclear technology and that the American tax payers better get ready for another half-trillion reaming from behind.
Guess they feel they can steal a little more, hey, they stole this much.

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by karlimhof February 13, 2007 3:37 PM EST

lars008

Did you research that big long list? What's that suppose to prove except you've got an cultural attitude complex. You a star of david fan or one of those skin-head blockheads?

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by karlimhof February 13, 2007 3:39 PM EST

Bushies still up to old tricks but Pace put'em in place - good job General!

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by sharncedar February 13, 2007 3:40 PM EST

"islam practices apartheid on non muslims"

All 1 billion of 'em? They all think with one mind, speak with one voice, eh, that in itself is a remarkable achievement.

That includes Singapore, Dubai, progressive Lebanon (before you Israelis "improved" it), even Cat Stevens. Good to know they all practice apartheid.

Certainly we should outlaw islam as a religion if what you say is true, we'll let them adopt the American religion instead, the worship of money, wealth, power, and fame. That will be a great change for them, good thinking.

Now, how to convert 1 billion people so they lose all religious values and act like our American good girl poster girl, fame-worshiping Miss USA, and all their women get addicted to cocaine and act like trash in public. Hmmm. You got a plan? Maybe smart bombs? Will that work?

Maybe we can undermine them this way -we'll have 30 million illegal aliens crowd into their country and lower their standard of living, offshore their jobs, put pressure on them every way, until they buckle under and worship money instead of God - oh wait, that's what Bush is doing to us.

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by bm6005 February 13, 2007 3:41 PM EST

bigwhtpony;

Keep talking, I'm loading!!

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by fizzie319 February 13, 2007 3:55 PM EST

Thank god for Pace saying:

"The top U.S. military officer said Tuesday the discovery that roadside bombs in Iraq contained material made in Iran does not necessarily mean the Iranian government was involved in supplying insurgents."

If I where to make an explosive device here in the states, the majority of the stuff in the explosive device would be from either Taiwan or China.

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by skyk-2009 February 13, 2007 3:56 PM EST

why haven't you blown yourself up yet haji?
Posted by lars008 at 12:28 PM : Feb 13, 2007

You seem to be upset that we are NOT attacking another Country on bad intel. Is there some reason for that and the hostility of those who do not agree with you? I mean after all they are your neighbors and Fellow Citizens. Don't ask our kids to die for something YOU aren't willing to extend to those you live with. ESPECIALLY when it is THEIR kids Sparky. That's called Fascism and isn't very patriotic... none at all.

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by skyk-2009 February 13, 2007 4:02 PM EST

Same idiot talking point that blames liberals for everything. FACT - a majority of Americans are not liberal. In fact, a paltry 20% of Americans identify themselves as liberal. Yet 60% of Americans think the Iraq War was a mistake. If you think only liberals have problems w/the Iraq War, then you've got some serious brain damage to attend to.


Posted by shingles1 at 11:41 AM : Feb 13, 2007


Well the truth is that Liberals were right about Sir Lies-A-Lot from the begining... just no one would listen, couldn't hear because for the drums and horns. Fascism is not new and certainly isn't new in the South. These clowns were doing the EXACT same thing when they were deny citizens of their state the right to get a drink of water from a fountain. LMAO They aren't the smartest creatures on this planet that's for sure... not even close!

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by radiob-2009 February 13, 2007 4:05 PM EST

lars008 As we have dicussed many time's and you have conceded the point that all Muslims are not Nazi Fascist and in addition I have warned you about you using the sites that you have posted becase of a lack of credibilty, yet you continue to post this rhetoric invoking quotes from previous presidents that you have no way of knowing with certaining would have taken the course of action that led us into this war. Lars we will undoubtely be in Iraq for some time trying to right the wrong of this war. A further thougth to consider is that perhaps all the sectarian killing is more about power and money than actually religion.

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by radiob-2009 February 13, 2007 4:08 PM EST

This is the definition of liberal then the vast majority of American's are liberal.

Broadly speaking, liberalism emphasizes individual rights. It seeks a society characterized by freedom of thought for individuals, limitations on power (especially of government and religion), the rule of law, the free exchange of ideas, a market economy that supports free private enterprise, and a transparent system of government in which the rights of all citizens are protected.[2] In modern society, liberals favor a liberal democracy with open and fair elections, where all citizens have equal rights by law and an equal opportunity to succeed.[3]

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by radiob-2009 February 13, 2007 4:08 PM EST

This is the definition of liberal then the vast majority of American's are liberal.

Broadly speaking, liberalism emphasizes individual rights. It seeks a society characterized by freedom of thought for individuals, limitations on power (especially of government and religion), the rule of law, the free exchange of ideas, a market economy that supports free private enterprise, and a transparent system of government in which the rights of all citizens are protected.[2] In modern society, liberals favor a liberal democracy with open and fair elections, where all citizens have equal rights by law and an equal opportunity to succeed.[3]

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by karlimhof February 13, 2007 4:08 PM EST

skyk

lars008 is a muslim hating extremist and cannot understand why others don't think like he does. After all, he reasons, look at all the proof I found on the net!

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by skyk-2009 February 13, 2007 4:09 PM EST

All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.
Edmund Burke

One ought never to turn one's back on a threatened danger and try to run away from it. If you do that, you will double the danger. But if you meet it promptly and without flinching, you will reduce the danger by half. Winston Churchill
Posted by lars008 at 12:16 PM : Feb 13, 2007

Sparky, have you ever had an orginal thought? You seem to post a lot of Liberal statements but seem to be a flaming fascist. I can't understand that conflict. It is obvious though that anyone who doesn't agree with you is a Liberal, which is fascism, but you seem to agree with Liberals. Care to explain that?

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by radiob-2009 February 13, 2007 4:14 PM EST

A comment from Lars yesterday'

not all germans were fascist nazi germans....

not all muslims are fascist nazi muslims....
Posted by lars008 at 05:50 PM : Feb 12, 2007
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by skyk-2009 February 13, 2007 4:16 PM EST

comment from Lars yesterday'

not all germans were fascist nazi germans....

not all muslims are fascist nazi muslims....
Posted by lars008 at 05:50 PM : Feb 12, 2007
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Posted by radiob at 01:14 PM : Feb 13, 2007

Oop's Lars008 exactly what is the meaning of that? You can't say they are all fascist one day and not the next. That's a Flip Flop and you in the hood and sheet crowd said we can't do that. LOL LOL

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by lars008-2009 February 13, 2007 4:16 PM EST

sorry SharnCedar..... singapore is not an islamic country..... and themuslims want to make lebanon one.... dubai yes is still aparthied, women and non muslims do not have equal rights there....

END PISSLAM APARTHIED NOW!!!
"Entrance into Muslim territory by infidels of foreign lands under the pact guaranteeing protection to the tolerated peoples is permitted only for the time necessary to settle their business affairs.
http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/jewish/1772-jewsinislam.html
Afghanistan | Albania | Algeria | Azerbaijan | Bahrain | Bangladesh | Benin | Brunei | Burkina Faso | Cameroon | Chad | Comoros | Ctte d'Ivoire | Djibouti | Dubai | Egypt | Gabon | Gambia | Guinea | Guinea-Bissau | Guyana | Indonesia | Iran | Iraq | Jordan | Kazakhstan | Kuwait | Kyrgyz Republic | Libya | Malaysia | Maldives | Mali | Mauritania | Morocco | Mozambique | Niger | Nigeria | Oman | Pakistan | Qatar | Saudi Arabia | Senegal | Sierra Leone | Somalia | Sudan | Suriname | Syria | Tajikistan | Togo | Tunisia | Turkey | Turkmenistan | Uganda | United Arab Emirates | Uzbekistan | Yemen |

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by wizest February 13, 2007 4:17 PM EST

welcome to Vet Nam 2.0

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by lars008-2009 February 13, 2007 4:20 PM EST

karlimhof
i love everybody except those that want to kill me for not being a fascist nazi islamic muslim..... but that's just good common sense..... but you knew that already.... right haji.....

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by shingles1 February 13, 2007 4:21 PM EST

"lars008
Why haven't you joined the army yet?
Posted by frankly6"

Seven year olds aren't allowed to sign up.

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by lars008-2009 February 13, 2007 4:24 PM EST

ISLAM / PERFECT EXAMPLE OF FASCISM!!!
islam is intent on killing or enslaving all nonmuslims......

The most notable characteristic of a fascist country is the separation and persecution or denial of equality to a specific segment of the population based upon superficial qualities or belief systems.
Simply stated, a fascist government always has one class of citizens that is considered superior (good) to another (bad) based upon race, creed or origin. It is possible to be both a republic and a fascist state. The preferred class lives in a republic while the oppressed class lives in a fascist state.
http://www.couplescompany.com/Features/Politics/Structure3.htm

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by radiob-2009 February 13, 2007 4:26 PM EST

Lars I will post these Quotes one more time for everyones benefit. There is a great deal of wisdom in them coming from a man that is primarily know for his works of art.
This passage can easily refer to both sides of this war those who are opposed to it and those who are for it.
Just as iron rusts unless it is used, and water putrifies or, in cold, turns to ice, so our intellect spoils unless it is kept in use.
You do ill if you praise, and still worse if you reprove in a matter you do not understand.
When Fortune comes, seize her in front with a sure hand, because behind she is bald.
Leonardo Da Vinci

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by inventagod February 13, 2007 4:28 PM EST

So the 'news release' was a complete 'Snow job' from the White House?
Thought I smelled the stank of Karl Rove all over that one yesterday...

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by radiob-2009 February 13, 2007 4:29 PM EST

Here is the other one that needs thoughts on from every aspect of this war and some of the people that post here. Againg Da Vinci

To lie is so vile, that even if it were in speaking well of godly things it would take off something from God's grace; and Truth is so excellent, that if it praises but small things they become noble.
Beyond a doubt truth bears the same relation to falsehood as light to darkness; and this truth is in itself so excellent that, even when it dwells on humble and lowly matters, it is still infinitely above uncertainty and lies, disguised in high and
lofty discourses; because in our minds, even if lying should be their fifth element, this does not prevent that the truth of things is the chief nutriment of superior intellects, though not of wandering wits.

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by randalds February 13, 2007 4:29 PM EST

Kurt Vonnegut Jr's phony sci-fi author, Kilgore Trout, once wrote a phony sci-fi book about creatures from another planet who communicated by farting and tap-dancing. Every time I hear a claim and then a denial from this administration I'm reminded of that idea. They *** out bullsh*it (that they know is bullsh*it) to try to scare the American people into believing them and then they tap dance away from their own lies when no one does. They're a fu*cking joke and have no credibility with anyone worldwide.

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by nothappyatall February 13, 2007 4:32 PM EST

Oh yeah,all we have heard for weeks is the media priming us for another illegal invasion with "Iran arming militants to kill US troops" now of course the US general backs away from that lie because nobody believes the Bush regime any more- once fooled twice shy and Bush can only cry wolf once before only the idiots and his right wing bibull thumpers believe anything he tells us.

I believe what they say in Iran before I'd believe one word BUSH says- he is a PROVEN liar and fraud, and every business he has had his filthy hands in has gone bankrupt and the GOP repubicons gave him the keys to the cash register.

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by randalds February 13, 2007 4:32 PM EST

ISLAM / PERFECT EXAMPLE OF FASCISM!!!
islam is intent on killing or enslaving all nonmuslims......

Posted by lars008 at 01:24 PM : Feb 13, 2007

So is neoconservatism as espoused by Bush and Cheney, so let's make war on them instead. They're closer and more dangerous to America then any Islamic terrorists ever has been or ever will be.

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by fuzoid-2009 February 13, 2007 4:33 PM EST

"You a star of david fan or one of those skin-head blockheads?"
Posted by karlimhof at 12:37 PM : Feb 13, 2007

While I understand and support the point you are trying to make in your previous messages, you have lowered yourself to Lars level with your above comment. If you want to promote peace, then promote peace. By making the above statement, you reveal yourself as someone who is an anti-semite and intolerant. And from what I've read, this is not the impression you would like to leave with others. Practice what you preach.

Just some friendly advice from "your brother in DNA."

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by lochlan-2009 February 13, 2007 4:34 PM EST

If no one listens or responds to lars008 or bigwhtpony we might be able to carry on an intelligent debate here. They obviously get a thrill out of luring people in with their rediculously idiotic comments, and taking up space.

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by j-whitman February 13, 2007 4:40 PM EST

-There are also arms coming from Austrailia manufactures, as well as many other countries... Repubs won't say anything about that --
- Again we only get a small fraction of what is needed for an informed opinion.

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[santo_marco]

I guess it was the politically correct thing to do. This country is run by spineless weaklings, and it's all due to the fear of not being politically correct enough for the world's whiny liberals.

[skyk-2009]

Sir Lies-A-Lot may FINALLY be accepting the TRUTH that the American People WILL NOT stand for a dictator, PERIOD. He can sell his snake oil to Red Necks by the truck load but to real American's.... Well we ain't buying it. I'm not going to support anything Bush says PERIOD. When he stood in front of me and the entire nation and KNOWING lied about Nuke's he does NOT deserve my trust. He should the the Right thing and resign.

[skyk-2009]

I guess it was the politically correct thing to do. This country is run by spineless weaklings, and it's all due to the fear of not being politically correct enough for the world's whiny liberals.
Posted by santo_marco at 11:10 AM : Feb 13, 2007

Wow man! So YOU want to start a War with ANOTHER Country on LIES? Just how many dead innocent people would make you fascist happy? I'm serious as a Combat Veteran who has heard the screams of American's fall at his side, I'd like an answer! I'm so tired of you losers and your "Blame the Liberal's" garbage I could throw up!!

[bigwhtpony]

Just how many dead innocent people would make you fascist happy? Posted by skyk at 11:15 AM : Feb 13, 2007

As many as it takes to shut you left wing, pansy, commie, liberals up.

[skyk-2009]

As many as it takes to shut you left wing, pansy, commie, liberals up.
Posted by bigwhtpony at 11:22 AM : Feb 13, 2007


LOL Oh PLEASE! It's not embarrassing enough to be talking to someone this stupid but to have them respond like a child? I asked you a serious question as a DISABLED COMBAT VETERAN and I deserve an ANSWER! I have, unlike you, actually BEEN in Combat... You acting like a Nazi is just plain insulting!

[dallison7]

"That does not translate that the Iranian government per se, for sure, is directly involved in doing this," Pace said. "What it does say is that things made in Iran are being used in Iraq to kill coalition soldiers."

What do you know!! Some logic!! I wonder how long it will take Bush to replace him now.

[shingles1]

"As many as it takes to shut you left wing, pansy, commie, liberals up.
Posted by bigwhtpony"

Same idiot talking point that blames liberals for everything. FACT - a majority of Americans are not liberal. In fact, a paltry 20% of Americans identify themselves as liberal. Yet 60% of Americans think the Iraq War was a mistake. If you think only liberals have problems w/the Iraq War, then you've got some serious brain damage to attend to.

[briannorwood]

See here's the thing...

This administration has lost all credibility, so no matter what evidence they have--real or imagined--cannot be taken seriously.

This is what happens to liars. And sadly as a result, this administration has severely weakened our ability to deal effectively with international diplomacy.

[shingles1]

"That does not translate that the Iranian government per se, for sure, is directly involved in doing this," Pace said. "What it does say is that things made in Iran are being used in Iraq to kill coalition soldiers."

Things "made in the USA" (whether bought in the black market, sitting in depots, or brought over from Saudi Arabia, etc.) are also being used to kill American troops. Does it necessary follow that the US Government is directly involved in this?

[radiob-2009]

Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki told Iraqi state television that the security operation would begin in the next day or two. The U.S. military announced last week that the sweep was already in progress. But an al-Maliki aide, who spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the subject, said the operation had not yet begun, as far as the Iraqi government was concerned.

Sound like the left hand either doesn't know what the right hand is doing or is not in sync with the US. Not suprising from the Al Maliki govt.

"It is clear that Iranians are involved, and it's clear that materials from Iran are involved, but I would not say by what I know that the Iranian government clearly knows or is complicit," Pace told the Voice of America.

Perhaps the source of intel for once is being questioned, the London Times, Telegraph and the Washington Post had reported on the IED being from Iran about a mth. ago with the source being an Iranian dissident, much like the intel that originally brought us into this conflict was from dissidents which proved to be false.
The intel community was supposed to improve after 9/11, with conflicting reports like these one has to wonder if the overhaul produce any results. We do not need to start another war based on this kind of intel. Scrutinize it before reacting, question it when it is at odds with other reports. The middle east is already in a precarious situation and extreme caution should be exercised before action.

[karlimhof]

"Things" made in USA, like Iran, have also a habit of killing people - take for example our lovely "cluster bombs" which Israel has spead across southern Lebanon like flower seeds. Millions of "little bombs" looking like play-things to children. Whole villages have been abandoned to save the kids- but Israel is only protecting itself, I forgot.

[bluestardad]

Sunnis are being supplied by Saudi Arabia that is who is killing the Sheiits in Baghdad! Get it right!

[karlimhof]

bigwhtpony

we used to have a voice like yours online some time back. his name was "lieberman". he was a couragous guy like you and decided to join up and pack off to irak. why don't you too?

[dallison7]

Things "made in the USA" (whether bought in the black market, sitting in depots, or brought over from Saudi Arabia, etc.) are also being used to kill American troops. Does it necessary follow that the US Government is directly involved in this?
Posted by shingles1


And... what should we do attack ourselves?

[lars008-2009]

skyk... thinks he is living in venezuela and that hugo chavez is bush......

All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.
Edmund Burke

One ought never to turn one's back on a threatened danger and try to run away from it. If you do that, you will double the danger. But if you meet it promptly and without flinching, you will reduce the danger by half. Winston Churchill

[luvny-2009]

Just how many dead innocent people would make you fascist happy? Posted by skyk at 11:15 AM : Feb 13, 2007

As many as it takes to shut you left wing, pansy, commie, liberals up.
Posted by bigwhtpony at 11:22 AM : Feb 13, 2007

bigwhtpony you are a moron what a childish answer but then again your id big white pony says something also LOL

[frankly6]

lars008

Why haven't you joined the army yet?

[karlimhof]

lars008

read some your muslim hate stuff - got a real problem dude - gotta get some counciling.

[lars008-2009]

frankly6

why haven't you blown yourself up yet haji?

[lars008-2009]

is islam a violation of international law???

islam practices slavery on non muslims
islam practices apartheid on non muslims
islam practices rape on non muslims
islam practices rape on babies and animals
islam practices genocide on non muslims

all are violations of international law and are crimes against humanity

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=slavery+islam&btnG=Search
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=slavery muslim&btnG=Google Search
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/4795808.stm
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=apartheid islam
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=apartheid muslim
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=rape islam
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=rape muslim&btnG=Search
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=rape islam babies&btnG=Search
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=rape muslim babies&btnG=Search
Imam Khomeini - Supreme Leader of the Islamic Revolution
http://www.homa.org/Details.asp?ContentID=2137352826&TOCID=2083225445
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=genocide islam&btnG=Search
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=genocide muslim

[karlimhof]

lars008

dude, you can work this thing out - you gotta have faith bro - drop the hate stuff - it's negative and it'll give you ulcers or worse!

[lochlan-2009]

Typical Bush Admin. hype with no base, no support... getting the media all in a frenzie over something they know not to be true, atleast the way they are saying it. Sure hope we don't find any metal tubing in Iraq that might be made in Iran, if they do, this administration could say Iran is supplying Iraq with nuclear technology and that the American tax payers better get ready for another half-trillion reaming from behind.
Guess they feel they can steal a little more, hey, they stole this much.

[karlimhof]

lars008

Did you research that big long list? What's that suppose to prove except you've got an cultural attitude complex. You a star of david fan or one of those skin-head blockheads?

[karlimhof]

Bushies still up to old tricks but Pace put'em in place - good job General!

[sharncedar]

"islam practices apartheid on non muslims"

All 1 billion of 'em? They all think with one mind, speak with one voice, eh, that in itself is a remarkable achievement.

That includes Singapore, Dubai, progressive Lebanon (before you Israelis "improved" it), even Cat Stevens. Good to know they all practice apartheid.

Certainly we should outlaw islam as a religion if what you say is true, we'll let them adopt the American religion instead, the worship of money, wealth, power, and fame. That will be a great change for them, good thinking.

Now, how to convert 1 billion people so they lose all religious values and act like our American good girl poster girl, fame-worshiping Miss USA, and all their women get addicted to cocaine and act like trash in public. Hmmm. You got a plan? Maybe smart bombs? Will that work?

Maybe we can undermine them this way -we'll have 30 million illegal aliens crowd into their country and lower their standard of living, offshore their jobs, put pressure on them every way, until they buckle under and worship money instead of God - oh wait, that's what Bush is doing to us.

[bm6005]

bigwhtpony;

Keep talking, I'm loading!!

[fizzie319]

Thank god for Pace saying:

"The top U.S. military officer said Tuesday the discovery that roadside bombs in Iraq contained material made in Iran does not necessarily mean the Iranian government was involved in supplying insurgents."

If I where to make an explosive device here in the states, the majority of the stuff in the explosive device would be from either Taiwan or China.

[skyk-2009]

why haven't you blown yourself up yet haji?
Posted by lars008 at 12:28 PM : Feb 13, 2007

You seem to be upset that we are NOT attacking another Country on bad intel. Is there some reason for that and the hostility of those who do not agree with you? I mean after all they are your neighbors and Fellow Citizens. Don't ask our kids to die for something YOU aren't willing to extend to those you live with. ESPECIALLY when it is THEIR kids Sparky. That's called Fascism and isn't very patriotic... none at all.

[skyk-2009]

Same idiot talking point that blames liberals for everything. FACT - a majority of Americans are not liberal. In fact, a paltry 20% of Americans identify themselves as liberal. Yet 60% of Americans think the Iraq War was a mistake. If you think only liberals have problems w/the Iraq War, then you've got some serious brain damage to attend to.


Posted by shingles1 at 11:41 AM : Feb 13, 2007


Well the truth is that Liberals were right about Sir Lies-A-Lot from the begining... just no one would listen, couldn't hear because for the drums and horns. Fascism is not new and certainly isn't new in the South. These clowns were doing the EXACT same thing when they were deny citizens of their state the right to get a drink of water from a fountain. LMAO They aren't the smartest creatures on this planet that's for sure... not even close!

[radiob-2009]

lars008 As we have dicussed many time's and you have conceded the point that all Muslims are not Nazi Fascist and in addition I have warned you about you using the sites that you have posted becase of a lack of credibilty, yet you continue to post this rhetoric invoking quotes from previous presidents that you have no way of knowing with certaining would have taken the course of action that led us into this war. Lars we will undoubtely be in Iraq for some time trying to right the wrong of this war. A further thougth to consider is that perhaps all the sectarian killing is more about power and money than actually religion.

[radiob-2009]

This is the definition of liberal then the vast majority of American's are liberal.

Broadly speaking, liberalism emphasizes individual rights. It seeks a society characterized by freedom of thought for individuals, limitations on power (especially of government and religion), the rule of law, the free exchange of ideas, a market economy that supports free private enterprise, and a transparent system of government in which the rights of all citizens are protected.[2] In modern society, liberals favor a liberal democracy with open and fair elections, where all citizens have equal rights by law and an equal opportunity to succeed.[3]

[radiob-2009]

This is the definition of liberal then the vast majority of American's are liberal.

Broadly speaking, liberalism emphasizes individual rights. It seeks a society characterized by freedom of thought for individuals, limitations on power (especially of government and religion), the rule of law, the free exchange of ideas, a market economy that supports free private enterprise, and a transparent system of government in which the rights of all citizens are protected.[2] In modern society, liberals favor a liberal democracy with open and fair elections, where all citizens have equal rights by law and an equal opportunity to succeed.[3]

[karlimhof]

skyk

lars008 is a muslim hating extremist and cannot understand why others don't think like he does. After all, he reasons, look at all the proof I found on the net!

[skyk-2009]

All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.
Edmund Burke

One ought never to turn one's back on a threatened danger and try to run away from it. If you do that, you will double the danger. But if you meet it promptly and without flinching, you will reduce the danger by half. Winston Churchill
Posted by lars008 at 12:16 PM : Feb 13, 2007

Sparky, have you ever had an orginal thought? You seem to post a lot of Liberal statements but seem to be a flaming fascist. I can't understand that conflict. It is obvious though that anyone who doesn't agree with you is a Liberal, which is fascism, but you seem to agree with Liberals. Care to explain that?

[radiob-2009]

A comment from Lars yesterday'

not all germans were fascist nazi germans....

not all muslims are fascist nazi muslims....
Posted by lars008 at 05:50 PM : Feb 12, 2007
+ report this comment

[skyk-2009]

comment from Lars yesterday'

not all germans were fascist nazi germans....

not all muslims are fascist nazi muslims....
Posted by lars008 at 05:50 PM : Feb 12, 2007
+ report this comment
Posted by radiob at 01:14 PM : Feb 13, 2007

Oop's Lars008 exactly what is the meaning of that? You can't say they are all fascist one day and not the next. That's a Flip Flop and you in the hood and sheet crowd said we can't do that. LOL LOL

[lars008-2009]

sorry SharnCedar..... singapore is not an islamic country..... and themuslims want to make lebanon one.... dubai yes is still aparthied, women and non muslims do not have equal rights there....

END PISSLAM APARTHIED NOW!!!
"Entrance into Muslim territory by infidels of foreign lands under the pact guaranteeing protection to the tolerated peoples is permitted only for the time necessary to settle their business affairs.
http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/jewish/1772-jewsinislam.html
Afghanistan | Albania | Algeria | Azerbaijan | Bahrain | Bangladesh | Benin | Brunei | Burkina Faso | Cameroon | Chad | Comoros | Ctte d'Ivoire | Djibouti | Dubai | Egypt | Gabon | Gambia | Guinea | Guinea-Bissau | Guyana | Indonesia | Iran | Iraq | Jordan | Kazakhstan | Kuwait | Kyrgyz Republic | Libya | Malaysia | Maldives | Mali | Mauritania | Morocco | Mozambique | Niger | Nigeria | Oman | Pakistan | Qatar | Saudi Arabia | Senegal | Sierra Leone | Somalia | Sudan | Suriname | Syria | Tajikistan | Togo | Tunisia | Turkey | Turkmenistan | Uganda | United Arab Emirates | Uzbekistan | Yemen |

[wizest]

welcome to Vet Nam 2.0

[lars008-2009]

karlimhof
i love everybody except those that want to kill me for not being a fascist nazi islamic muslim..... but that's just good common sense..... but you knew that already.... right haji.....

[shingles1]

"lars008
Why haven't you joined the army yet?
Posted by frankly6"

Seven year olds aren't allowed to sign up.

[lars008-2009]

ISLAM / PERFECT EXAMPLE OF FASCISM!!!
islam is intent on killing or enslaving all nonmuslims......

The most notable characteristic of a fascist country is the separation and persecution or denial of equality to a specific segment of the population based upon superficial qualities or belief systems.
Simply stated, a fascist government always has one class of citizens that is considered superior (good) to another (bad) based upon race, creed or origin. It is possible to be both a republic and a fascist state. The preferred class lives in a republic while the oppressed class lives in a fascist state.
http://www.couplescompany.com/Features/Politics/Structure3.htm

[radiob-2009]

Lars I will post these Quotes one more time for everyones benefit. There is a great deal of wisdom in them coming from a man that is primarily know for his works of art.
This passage can easily refer to both sides of this war those who are opposed to it and those who are for it.
Just as iron rusts unless it is used, and water putrifies or, in cold, turns to ice, so our intellect spoils unless it is kept in use.
You do ill if you praise, and still worse if you reprove in a matter you do not understand.
When Fortune comes, seize her in front with a sure hand, because behind she is bald.
Leonardo Da Vinci

[inventagod]

So the 'news release' was a complete 'Snow job' from the White House?
Thought I smelled the stank of Karl Rove all over that one yesterday...

[radiob-2009]

Here is the other one that needs thoughts on from every aspect of this war and some of the people that post here. Againg Da Vinci

To lie is so vile, that even if it were in speaking well of godly things it would take off something from God's grace; and Truth is so excellent, that if it praises but small things they become noble.
Beyond a doubt truth bears the same relation to falsehood as light to darkness; and this truth is in itself so excellent that, even when it dwells on humble and lowly matters, it is still infinitely above uncertainty and lies, disguised in high and
lofty discourses; because in our minds, even if lying should be their fifth element, this does not prevent that the truth of things is the chief nutriment of superior intellects, though not of wandering wits.

[randalds]

Kurt Vonnegut Jr's phony sci-fi author, Kilgore Trout, once wrote a phony sci-fi book about creatures from another planet who communicated by farting and tap-dancing. Every time I hear a claim and then a denial from this administration I'm reminded of that idea. They *** out bullsh*it (that they know is bullsh*it) to try to scare the American people into believing them and then they tap dance away from their own lies when no one does. They're a fu*cking joke and have no credibility with anyone worldwide.

[nothappyatall]

Oh yeah,all we have heard for weeks is the media priming us for another illegal invasion with "Iran arming militants to kill US troops" now of course the US general backs away from that lie because nobody believes the Bush regime any more- once fooled twice shy and Bush can only cry wolf once before only the idiots and his right wing bibull thumpers believe anything he tells us.

I believe what they say in Iran before I'd believe one word BUSH says- he is a PROVEN liar and fraud, and every business he has had his filthy hands in has gone bankrupt and the GOP repubicons gave him the keys to the cash register.

[randalds]

ISLAM / PERFECT EXAMPLE OF FASCISM!!!
islam is intent on killing or enslaving all nonmuslims......

Posted by lars008 at 01:24 PM : Feb 13, 2007

So is neoconservatism as espoused by Bush and Cheney, so let's make war on them instead. They're closer and more dangerous to America then any Islamic terrorists ever has been or ever will be.

[fuzoid-2009]

"You a star of david fan or one of those skin-head blockheads?"
Posted by karlimhof at 12:37 PM : Feb 13, 2007

While I understand and support the point you are trying to make in your previous messages, you have lowered yourself to Lars level with your above comment. If you want to promote peace, then promote peace. By making the above statement, you reveal yourself as someone who is an anti-semite and intolerant. And from what I've read, this is not the impression you would like to leave with others. Practice what you preach.

Just some friendly advice from "your brother in DNA."

[lochlan-2009]

If no one listens or responds to lars008 or bigwhtpony we might be able to carry on an intelligent debate here. They obviously get a thrill out of luring people in with their rediculously idiotic comments, and taking up space.

[j-whitman]

-There are also arms coming from Austrailia manufactures, as well as many other countries... Repubs won't say anything about that --
- Again we only get a small fraction of what is needed for an informed opinion.