U.S. Sees New Weapon In Iraq: Iranian EFPs

Military: Iranian Government Supplies "Explosively Formed Penetrators"

(CBS/AP)  U.S. military officials charged on Sunday that the highest levels of the Iranian leadership ordered Shiite militants in Iraq to be armed with sophisticated armor-piercing roadside bombs that have killed more than 170 American forces.

The military command in Baghdad denied, however, that any newly-smuggled Iranian weapons were behind the five U.S. military helicopter crashes since Jan. 20 — four that were shot out of the sky by insurgent gunfire.

A fifth chopper crash has tentatively been blamed on mechanical failure. In the same period, two private security company helicopters also have crashed but the cause was unclear.

The deadly and highly sophisticated weapons the U.S. military said were coming into Iraq from Iran are known as "explosively formed penetrators," or EFPs.

U.S. intelligence says the weapons are going to Shiite militias that include rogue elements of Moqtada al-Sadr's Mehdi army militia and a breakaway faction of the Badr Corps, the armed wing of a powerful Shiite party, reports CBS News chief foreign correspondent Lara Logan.

The Iraqi government not only knows but has asked the Iranian government to stop.

The presentation of evidence was the result of weeks of preparation and revisions as U.S. officials put together a package of material to support the Bush administration's claims of Iranian intercession on behalf of militant Iraqis fighting American forces.

Senior U.S. military officials in Baghdad said the display of evidence was prompted by the military's concern for "force protection," which, they said, was guaranteed under the United Nations resolution that authorizes American soldiers to be in Iraq.

Three senior military officials who explained the evidence said the "machining process" used in the construction of the deadly bombs had been traced back to Iran.

The experts, who spoke to a large gathering of reporters on condition that they not be further identified, said the supply trail began with Iran's Revolutionary Guards Quds Force, which also is accused of arming the Hezbollah guerrilla army in Lebanon. The officials said the EFP weapon was first tested there.

The officials said the Revolutionary Guard and its Quds force report directly to Iran's supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei.

The so-called Iran dossier, a small portion of which was revealed in Baghdad on Sunday, was revised heavily after officials decided it was not ready for release as planned last month. U.S. military officials in Baghdad had even scheduled a briefing for reporters only to cancel it a day later.

Senior U.S. officials in Washington — gun-shy after the drubbing the administration took for the faulty intelligence leading to the 2003 Iraq invasion — had held back because they were unhappy with the original presentation.

The display of evidence appeared to be part of the White House drive that has empowered U.S. forces in Iraq to use all means to curb Iranian influence in the country, including killing Iranian agents.

It included a Powerpoint slide presentation and a handful of mortar shells and rocket-propelled grenades which the military officials said were made in Iran.

The centerpiece of the evidentiary display, however, was a gray metal pipe about 10 inches long and 6 inches in diameter, the exterior casing of what the military said was an EFP, the roadside bomb that shoots out fist-sized wads of nearly-molten copper that can penetrate the armor on an Abrams tank.

The U.S. officials said there was no evidence of Iranian made EFPs having fallen into the hands of Sunni insurgents who operate mainly in Anbar province in the west of Iraq, Baghdad and regions surrounding the capital.

"We know more than we can show," said one of the senior officials, when pressed for more evidence that the EFPs were made in Iran.

[stick130]

Wonder where they will find the Soldiers to invade Iran? I think Dubya bit off more than he can chew. If the "Decider" would leave the decisions to the military experts our soldiers could fight without one hand tied to their back.

[formrusmcsgt]

This is a silly message board and it amazes me how many people use it as a combat zone against those who oppose of their views.

So silly!
Posted by singinrick at 08:06 AM : Feb 12, 2007

This really hilarious coming from you, preacherman.

[formrusmcsgt]

Bush has no intention of talking to Iran: Powell

Press Trust of India

New York, February 12, 2007


While the Bush administration has insisted it has no intention of starting a war with Iran, a former United States Secretary of State claims President George W Bush never had any interest in negotiating with the Persian Gulf country.

Powell stressed that it was not possible to negotiate when you tell the other side "Give us what a negotiation would produce before the negotiations start".

The magazine also quotes another former White House National Security director and Persian Gulf Affairs Hillary Mann as saying that some Bush advisers secretly want an "excuse to attack Iran".

"They intend to be as provocative as possible and make the Iranian do something (America) would be forced to retaliate," she said.

[formrusmcsgt]

"U.S. military officials charged on Sunday that the highest levels of the Iranian leadership ordered Shiite militants in Iraq to be armed with sophisticated armor-piercing roadside bombs ...."

I'll need some proof of this allegation before I accept it as being true. As we learned in 2002, this administration will say anything, true or not, to advance it's agenda.

[bluestardad]

This is the contact address for your Senator! Send them a message of your opinion. All Class Two Senators are up for Reelection in 2008. firststatehttp://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm

[firststate]

singinrick thanks but this is an example of people remembering something incorrectly and repeating the self-edited version.
The following is a direct quote from the article by Ian Urbina in the 01/28/07 edition

"There were a few tense moments, however, including an encounter involving Joshua Sparling, 25, who was on crutches and who said he was a corporal with the 82nd Airborne Division and lost his right leg below the knee in Ramadi, Iraq. Mr. Sparling spoke at a smaller rally held earlier in the day at the United States Navy Memorial, and voiced his support for the administration's policies in Iraq.

Later, as antiwar protesters passed where he and his group were standing, words were exchanged and one of the antiwar protestors spit at the ground near Mr. Sparling; he spit back.

Capitol police made the antiwar protestors walk farther away from the counterprotesters."

The text agrees with that on michellemalkin, freerepublic.com and the lonestartimes.com sites. They all say that ONE of the protestors spat AT THE GROUND NEAR Mr. Sparling.

That's not spitting at our servicemen.

As I mentioned it's gonna become urban legend.

Since I know that you are honorable, I'm sure that at least, you won't mis-tell the story again.
Good Night

[searingtruth]

"Feel free to have you or one of your numerous personalities reply."
mcdazz

Don't worry fellow patriot. I am SearingTruth, and the person you reference is just one of many who attempt to imitate my moniker for illicit personal gain.

You notice that "singinrick" always runs when I show up. No substance, no thought, no courage.
ST

A Future of the Brave - www.searingtruth.com

[searingtruth]

"They that can give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."
Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759

"We must all hang together, or assuredly we shall all hang separately."
Benjamin Franklin (attributed), at the signing of the Declaration of Independence, July 4, 1776


A Future of the Brave - www.searingtruth.com

[searingtruth]

"Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered; yet we have this consolation with us, that the harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph."
Thomas Paine, The American Crisis, No. 1, December 19, 1776

A Future of the Brave - www.searingtruth.com

singingrick:

I read your post singingrick.

Once again, you say one thing, and yet, you display your true character by doing the opposite.

How many times have you posted your anti-muslim hate comments today?

How many times have posted to that horrid website featuring the beheading of American citizens?

You really are a sick, hate filled puppy.

While I'm sure Jesus is forgiving, I think even he'd think twice about you and fake christian ways.

You better start praying singingrick, because you're going to need his forgiveness.

Feel free to have you or one of your numerous personalities reply.

[searingtruth]

"No man is allowed to be a judge in his own cause, because his interest would certainly bias his judgment, and, not improbably, corrupt his integrity."
James Madison, Federalist No. 10, November 23, 1787

A Future of the Brave - www.searingtruth.com

grazinggoat wrote:

"McDazz
U must be a psychologist. I think you're right. This fairyTales believer is quite a case. He shows constance all day long and at 3AM.

My firm belief is lars008 and warryingpriest are related, but one can add joyous-singirick, little-dreamin'girl, and finally faisy-tale teller. The other side of his personnality, can spell as follow: blood-sucker, bigot, liar, butcher... Can you confirm?"

lol - I can recognize their traits all right.

I feel sorry for them.

[searingtruth]

"Fear is the foundation of most governments; but it is so sordid and brutal a passion, and renders men in whose breasts it predominates so stupid and miserable, that Americans will not be likely to approve of any political institution which is founded on it."
John Adams, Thoughts on Government, 1776

"Is there no virtue among us? If there be not, we are in a wretched situation. No theoretical checks-no form of government can render us secure. To suppose that any form of government will secure liberty or happiness without any virtue in the people, is a chimerical idea, if there be sufficient virtue and intelligence in the community, it will be exercised in the selection of these men. So that we do not depend on their virtue, or put confidence in our rulers, but in the people who are to choose them."
James Madison, speech at the Virginia Ratifying Convention, June 20, 1788

A Future of the Brave - www.searingtruth.com

[searingtruth]

"But a Constitution of Government once changed from Freedom, can never be restored. Liberty, once lost, is lost forever."
John Adams, letter to Abigail Adams, July 17, 1775

A Future of the Brave - www.searingtruth.com

singinrick wrote:

"Nope, I just know who the real enemy is mcdazz.

Honestly mcdazz, I feel very sorry for you, because you are completely lost in a world of lies and deceipt. It's very sad.

You know what I hate, that American citizens refuse to look at the true threat to our society in these radicals. I don't hate them, I hate the sin."

No, singingrick/lars008/trueprogress, I feel sorry for you.

You should let Jesus into your heart, repent and request forgiveness for your sins.

Only then will you be able to put the hatred of Islam behind you and move on.

I wish you well - I really do.

I hope you find Jesus.

[searingtruth]

"One of the greatest tragedies of our existence is that we are a people united by so many common goals, but divided by so many uncommon beliefs.

I believe that our goals are more important. We all want to be free. We all want our children to be healthy and happy. Most all of us want peace so long as our own rights are protected.

These are the ideals that we can all strive for together. These are the threads of humanity that cannot be torn apart."
SearingTruth

A Future of the Brave - www.searingtruth.com

[firststate]

Singinrick said, "They already do....see the last war protest in Washington DC when they were spitting at our servicemen! It's already occurring."

Rick I have to disagree with this particular statement. I read the direct quotes from some of the anti-protest demonstrators who said that someone spat on the ground in front of their feet. I haven't found a source with video or even audio of the event though, so it's probably going to be an urban legend. Do you have a more definitive source?

[grazinggoat]

McDazz
U must be a psychologist. I think you're right. This fairyTales believer is quite a case. He shows constance all day long and at 3AM.

My firm belief is lars008 and warryingpriest are related, but one can add joyous-singirick, little-dreamin'girl, and finally faisy-tale teller. The other side of his personnality, can spell as follow: blood-sucker, bigot, liar, butcher... Can you confirm?

[searingtruth]

Mirror

My friends, sometimes the most difficult thing about fighting evil is realizing that it actually exists, and then unambiguously and forcefully calling it what it is.

History shows time and time again that one of evils greatest strengths is its ability to disguise itself as good, or at least a temporary necessity, until that last fatal moment when its revelation becomes clear, indisputable, and inescapable.

So today let us take a clear and unadulterated look into the mirror at ourselves.

Just six years ago we were one of the most respected and admired defenders of democracy and human rights in history. Respected not only by our friends, but even begrudgingly by most of our enemies. In fact, even the fantastic power of our military paled in comparison to the overwhelming might of our moral authority.

Today we are a nation that operates secret prisons occupied by anonymous inmates, illegally abducted and held indefinitely without charge or representation. We are guilty of torture. We are guilty of murder. We are guilty of preemptive war of conquest. We are guilty of the wholesale surveillance of our population, suppressing all hope of privacy and free dissent. And we are guilty of disgracing our nation through the abandonment of even our most basic precepts of morality.

If this is not evil, then nothing we have ever fought against is evil, and nothing we have ever fought for is good.


Exerpt from A Future of the Brave - www.searingtruth.com

singingrick/lars008/trueprogress (whatever personality you want to be today) wrote:

"I feel sorry for you because you are so lost because of the lies of radical Islam."

It's your hatred of Islam that has seen you become one of the "lost" singinrick/lars008/trueprogress.

You have lost your way - hatred has filled your heart and Jesus won't accept you with hatred in your heart.