Gen.: Without Cooperation, Iraq "Doomed"

Petraeus Takes Control Of American Forces In Iraq, Says Mission Is "Doable"

(AP)  The new U.S. commander in Iraq warned on Saturday that the country was "doomed to continued violence and civil strife" if American and Iraqi forces did not work together.

Gen. David Petraeus took command of the 135,000-strong U.S. force, declaring "we will have to share the burdens and move forward together. If we can do that and if we can help the people of Iraq, the prospects of success are good.

"Failing that, Iraq will be doomed to continued violence and civil strife."

Standing under a crystal chandelier that spanned 30 feet of the ceiling in one of Saddam Hussein's former palaces, Petraeus said the task before him was "exceedingly challenging."

"The stakes are very high. The way ahead will be hard, and there undoubtedly will be many tough days. But as I recently told members of the U.S. Senate, hard is not hopeless."

Petraeus, who has served two previous tours in Iraq, takes over from Gen. George Casey who becomes Army chief of staff.

In a letter to U.S. troops in Iraq, Petraeus said "in the end, Iraqis will decide the outcome of this struggle. Our task is to help them gain the time they need to save their country."

The change in command was part of President Bush's overhaul of Iraq policy that includes deployment, by the end of May, of 21,500 additional American forces in Iraq, most of them in Baghdad.

"Our job in the months ahead ... will be to improve security so that the Iraqi government can resolve the tough issues it faces, and so that the economy and basic services can be improved," Petraeus said. "These tasks are achievable. This mission is doable."

At the ceremony marking the change of command, Petraeus sat alongside Casey and Army Gen. John Abizaid, the outgoing Central Command chief. A U.S. Army band of the 1st Cavalry Division from Fort Hood, Texas, played the U.S. and Iraqi national anthems before the presentation of the flags.

Also in attendance were U.S. Ambassador to Iraq Zalmay Khalilzad, Iraqi National Security Adviser Mowaffak al-Rubaie and Iraqi Lt. Gen. Aboud Gambar, commander of Iraqi troops in the Baghdad security operation.

Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki was absent.

Iraqi President Jalal Talabani and his two deputies met Petraeus on Friday and discussed the security plan and "appropriate ways to reach security and stability and annihilate terrorism," a government statement said.

Before the change of command, outgoing Iraq commander Casey said he was confident Iraqis would be ready to take control of their own security by the end of this year, but acknowledged progress was slower in Baghdad than the rest of the country.

"It's no secret that sectarian violence ... has changed the dynamics of what Iraqis must face here on the ground. But when Iraqis want something to happen, it happens," he told reporters.

Casey said failure in Iraq would be tied to the people's inability to put the past behind them.

"We liberated them from 35 years of tyranny but we can't liberate them from the fears and the prejudices that grew in those 35 years," he said. "I think they'll get past it, but if they don't, it'll be difficult."

Casey said he felt "a little numb" about leaving Iraq after 2½ years.

"But I go away with great feeling of pride because we've laid the foundation for Iraq's ultimate success.

"Everything's not as I would have expected it to be or wanted it to be on my way out, but that's kind of the way things are," the departing general said.

Casey said he was still too close to the situation to evaluate his tenure but said he had a sense of where criticism could arise.

"The main point people will debate is whether I relied too much on Iraqi forces to carry the security load and too little on coalition forces," he said. "But I'm certainly not ready to say that's a mistake. I'll let history judge that."

In Other Developments:

Three U.S. soldiers were killed and four wounded in an explosion in a building in a volatile area northeast of Baghdad, the military said Saturday. The blast occurred Friday while the Task Force Lightning
soldiers were searching for a weapons cache and clearing a building
in Diyala province, where U.S. and Iraqi forces have been battling
Sunni insurgents and Shiite militias for months around the city of
Baqouba. The soldiers' identities were not released pending notification
of relatives. The deaths raised to 36 the number of American troop deaths so
far this month. At least 3,120 members have died since the Iraq war started in March 2003, according to an Associated Press count.

The U.S. military confirmed on Saturday that American forces at Camp Anaconda, the huge air base north of Baghdad, shot and killed a civilian contract truck driver. A spokeswoman for KBR, a contracting subsidiary of Halliburton that was formerly known as Kellog, Brown & Root, said the incident was under investigation. Spokeswoman Melissa Norcross said the company was not releasing the name of the dead driver or that of a second person in the truck who was wounded "to protect the individuals' privacy."

A parked car bomb targeted a police patrol in a predominantly Shiite area of central Baghdad on Saturday, killing at least five bystanders and wounding 10, including three policemen, police said. The car, packed with explosives, blew up at about 12:20 p.m., damaging the police car and shattering the facades of stores and stalls, as well as setting fire to several other vehicles.

Gunmen ambushed two Shiite houses south of Baghdad on Saturday, killing three members of one family and wounding two of their neighbors, police said. Eight attackers drove up in three cars at 7:30 a.m., storming
into one house and killing a man, his wife and their 23-year-old daughter in Musayyib, 40 miles south of Baghdad. The gunmen then attacked a second house, wounding a husband and wife, according to police. The ambush came a day after gunmen dressed in Iraqi army uniforms swept into a nearby Shiite village, kidnapping 13 civilians and killing at least 11 of them.

Dozens of Shiites and a handful of Sunnis gathered Saturday for the reopening of a Sunni mosque in Baghdad's Shiite militia stronghold of Sadr City. Local officials said they hoped to encourage members of the displaced Sunni minority to return to the district as part of reconciliation efforts. A Sunni cleric led a joint prayer under the mosque's blue mosaic dome and beige minaret. Interior Ministry commandos stood guard outside.

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by skyk-2009 February 10, 2007 9:58 AM EST

How many American's will have to die? That's the ONLY issue WE the PEOPLE should be concerned with right now. Saving face for Bush and his "Administration" should NOT be in our thought pattern. The "Mission" here has been and continues to be one of saving face for a VERY INCOMPETENT President who has used the American Military Might to enforce HIS policy... a policy that has failed and failed VERY badly. Now it looks to me like we have two choices here. To continue to follow a leader who just a FEW short months ago was telling ALL of us that we were WINNING in Iraq or we do something different... we follow people who have been right about this mess from day one. Those of you who wish to drink the kool aid may line up on the right... as for me? I support the American, my neighbor and friends. I do not want to see ONE more drop of blood shed for this evil piece of Nazi Trash. How much egg he has on his face when it's over matters not to me. Combat Vet, USMC, RVN, 1968

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by dallison7 February 10, 2007 9:59 AM EST

"We liberated them from tyranny but we can't liberate them from prejudices," he said.


This is the fundamental truth that the neocons ignored. These tribesmen have been fighting one another for fifteen hundred years. There is no 'National identy' in Iraq, only tribal. The different factions don't rely on borders. They are, each of them, spread throughout several countries. It is to be expected that tribesmen in Iran, Syria and other neighboring lands would want to fight alongside their 'brothers'. Our armed forces are beating a dead horse here, we cannot win this. What we can do, and appear to be in the process of doing, is expand this thing throughout the middle east. We need to get out of there as quickly as possible and let them fight this out. Our presence there is inflamatory.

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by migrainegram February 10, 2007 9:59 AM EST

Same stuff -- different day.

What else can he say -- he wants the job.

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by skyk-2009 February 10, 2007 10:04 AM EST

"We liberated them from tyranny but we can't liberate them from prejudices," he said.

General you need to deliever THIS message to Sir Lies-A-Lot and those that HE leads!! When you MAJOR support in a Nation still to this day blame their neighbors and fellow citizens for the failures that Sir Lies-A-Lot and he alone is responsible for, that shows a long held and bitter prejudice against those who have CONSISTENTLY stood for freedom and the rights of ALL people. Sieg Heil!!

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by perception5 February 10, 2007 10:07 AM EST

What's hopeless is the constant 99% negative reporting by our corrupt liberal MSM wolfpack.

If I were a terrorist I would be pleased with the nightly news coming from CBS, NBC, ABC, CNN....... wouldn't you??????

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by dallison7 February 10, 2007 10:11 AM EST

If I were a terrorist I would be pleased with the nightly news coming from CBS, NBC, ABC, CNN....... wouldn't you??????
Posted by perception5

Let's see, who did you leave out? tick-tock, tick-tock


OH YEAH!!! FAUX NEWS!!

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by skyk-2009 February 10, 2007 10:25 AM EST

IF we go back to what this nation stood for in the 200 years plus before Sir Lies-A-Lot, we will suffer. That's what the Reich is telling us. We sold our souls to the FASCIST view of things, the Southern Fascist way of conducting oursleves with our friends and neighbors and it has been by any estimation the WORST blunder in this nations history, bar NONE. But, we are told, to pull back and show some HONOR toward friends who have been there through our history and simply say we picked the WRONG leader, would distroy the country. Bush was VERY wrong in what he did, HE humiliated our friends and acted like a Bully and it's time to admit we made a mistake. That's what AMERICA would have done in the days of FDR or John Kennedy. You can NOT defeat Terrorist with a bigger bomb people you must defeat HATE. By the same token asking people who's history is that of being Terrorist, to address our situation in the world is not going to work. We need to turn to people who have been in the trenches against extremist like the KKK for guidence... the problem is that those people are the sworn enemy of those who have been lying to us for over 6 years now. The choice is ours to make.

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by skyk-2009 February 10, 2007 10:32 AM EST

What's hopeless is the constant 99% negative reporting by our corrupt liberal MSM wolfpack.

If I were a terrorist I would be pleased with the nightly news coming from CBS, NBC, ABC, CNN....... wouldn't you??????
Posted by perception5 at 07:07 AM : Feb 10, 2007

Well now lets see, IF this "wolfpack" had not been screaming their heads off, we'd still be hearing "Stay the Course" wouldn't we? You pathetic LOSERS aren't happy with just getting a good Whoopin... NO! You want to take the entire nation down because YOU hate "liberal's". LOL What part of WE the People do you NOT understand? LOL I guess it's okay to try and "Give" other people a Government "By the People"... you just do not want to "Give" that Government to your Neighbor huh? LMAO The "enemy" is in ANOTHER Country and this WAR is a LIE started by and Incompetent LOSER. Now IF you'd have been listening to REAL news from your neighbors and fellow citizens you'd know that wouldn't you? Sieg Heil!!

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by formrusmcsgt February 10, 2007 10:36 AM EST

"We liberated them from tyranny but we can't liberate them from prejudices," he said.


Precisely why this boondoggle was doomed from the start and why no amount of money or warriors will change anything, plain and simple.

The Sunnis and Shias both feel that they are the owners of the truth, as far as Islam is concerned, and convincing them to think otherwise is an impossibility.

There's about as much of a chance of that happeneing as there is that singingrick will convert to Islam......

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by formrusmcsgt February 10, 2007 10:38 AM EST

If I were a terrorist I would be pleased with the nightly news coming from CBS, NBC, ABC, CNN....... wouldn't you??????
Posted by perception5

So what you want is a daily, rosy report of lies telling America how well this disaster is going, is that it?

Kind of a "don't confuse us with the facts" approach?

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by dallison7 February 10, 2007 10:41 AM EST

Posted by formrusmcsgt

I like the new handle

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by formrusmcsgt February 10, 2007 10:42 AM EST

You can NOT defeat Terrorist with a bigger bomb people you must defeat HATE.
Posted by skyk at 07:25 AM : Feb 10, 2007

What I find to be a constant in those that support Bush is the hatred they themselves demonstrate. They seethe about Muslims. They hurl insults at news organizations for reporting the truth. They disrespect posters who express a differing viewpoint.

They apparently feel that hatred can be defeated with more hatred. Pity......

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by formrusmcsgt February 10, 2007 10:43 AM EST

I like the new handle
Posted by dallison7 at 07:41 AM : Feb 10, 2007

Thanks you, sir...and good morning.

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by dallison7 February 10, 2007 10:43 AM EST

Mornin', another beautiful day in Florida, I wonder how the weather is in Las Vegas

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by formrusmcsgt February 10, 2007 10:45 AM EST

This from President Putin of Russia yesterday on who we are under Bush's "guiding hand":

Putin Blasts U.S. for Its Use of Force

Saturday February 10, 2007 10:16 AM


MUNICH, Germany (AP) - Russian President Vladimir Putin blasted the United States Saturday for the ``almost uncontained'' use of force in the world, and for encouraging other countries to acquire nuclear weapons.

Putin told a forum of the world's top security officials that ``we are witnessing an almost uncontained hyper use of force in international relations'' and that ``one state, the United States, has overstepped its national borders in every way.

``This is very dangerous, nobody feels secure anymore because nobody can hide behind international law,'' Putin told the gathering.


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We should all feel proud that we are now viewed as warmongerers around the world..........

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by formrusmcsgt February 10, 2007 10:46 AM EST

Mornin', another beautiful day in Florida, I wonder how the weather is in Las Vegas
Posted by dallison7 at 07:43 AM : Feb 10, 2007

Slightly overcast, 70 degrees..NO HUMIDITY! Eat your heart out.

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by formrusmcsgt February 10, 2007 10:48 AM EST

Another cost of Bush's boondoggle:

Support Needed For States Hosting Displaced Iraqis
Saturday, 10 February 2007, 11:24 am
Press Release: United Nations
International Support Needed For States Hosting Displaced Iraqis, UN Official Says
New York, Feb 8 2007 6:00PM

The chief of the United Nations refugee agency called for increased international support for States such as Jordan and Syria which have made a %u201Chuge sacrifice%u201D by hosting hundreds of thousands of refugees fleeing war-torn Iraq.

%u201CA limited number of countries are paying a very heavy price for the protection of these people in distress,%u201D UN High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR) Antsnio Guterres told the press yesterday in Jordan%u2019s capital Amman on the third leg of a weeklong trip to the Gulf region.

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by dallison7 February 10, 2007 10:49 AM EST

Slightly overcast, 70 degrees..NO HUMIDITY! Eat your heart out.
Posted by formrusmcsgt

It'll top out sunny and 80 here, but the humidity is another thing though. Later I think I'll swim out to the garage and get my Harley out.

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by skyk-2009 February 10, 2007 10:53 AM EST

Our presence there is inflamatory.
Posted by dallison7 at 06:59 AM : Feb 10, 2007

Well said. On one side in this War of ignorance that's been going on now for nearly 2000 years you have the Tribe of Saddam, who we allowed to be lynched like the Klan used to do in Mississippi and on the other we have the Shiite who are aided by Iran. Now would one of you fascist please tell me WHICH side we're on again? LOL

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by dallison7 February 10, 2007 10:53 AM EST

We should all feel proud that we are now viewed as warmongerers around the world..........
Posted by formrusmcsgt

If you talked to Europeans four or five years ago, they presented a sort of 'tongue-in-cheek' attitude about the US. Now is is more of an angry disgust.

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by formrusmcsgt February 10, 2007 10:53 AM EST

Later I think I'll swim out to the garage and get my Harley out.
Posted by dallison7 at 07:49 AM : Feb 10, 2007

You mean across the moat or in your own persperation? ;-)

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by formrusmcsgt February 10, 2007 10:55 AM EST

On one side in this War of ignorance that's been going on now for nearly 2000 years....
Posted by skyk at 07:53 AM : Feb 10, 2007

And on the other side, an ignorance that's been going on for 4 years with no end in sight....

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by dallison7 February 10, 2007 10:56 AM EST

You mean across the moat or in your own persperation? ;-)
Posted by formrusmcsgt

through the atmosphere

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by formrusmcsgt February 10, 2007 10:56 AM EST

If you talked to Europeans four or five years ago, they presented a sort of 'tongue-in-cheek' attitude about the US. Now is is more of an angry disgust.
Posted by dallison7 at 07:53 AM : Feb 10, 2007

Correct. But most distinguish between the American people and Bush himself. Bush is despised while Americans are still, in general, viewed in favorable terms.

Gee...I wonder why that is, eh?

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by formrusmcsgt February 10, 2007 10:57 AM EST

through the atmosphere
Posted by dallison7 at 07:56 AM : Feb 10, 2007

I can relate...I lived in Houston for 22 years.

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by bluestardad February 10, 2007 10:57 AM EST

Yea you stupid Americans send a couple more tons of money over here! 363 tons is not enough for my cousins!

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by omnibus66 February 10, 2007 11:00 AM EST

"But I go away with great pride because we've laid the foundation here" - Gen. Casey

A foundation of mud laid in quicksand.

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by dallison7 February 10, 2007 11:00 AM EST

Yea you stupid Americans send a couple more tons of money over here! 363 tons is not enough for my cousins!
Posted by bluestardad

Have any of you speculated where that missing $12 BILLION went? I think it might be enough to prop up a private military and buy a ranch in Paraguay.

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by formrusmcsgt February 10, 2007 11:05 AM EST

Have any of you speculated where that missing $12 BILLION went? I think it might be enough to prop up a private military and buy a ranch in Paraguay.
Posted by dallison7 at 08:00 AM : Feb 10, 2007

I just about die laughing when I hear Bush refer to "fiscal responsibility".

Considering that structure that Brenner oversaw and the billions that flew away, coupled with the fact that the Iraqi oil system doesn't even have metering systems allowing billions to be pumped into individuals pockets, plus the scandalous grand larceny money that Halliburton has pumped into it's coffers, Bush demonstrates that he hasn't the foggiest idea what "fiscal responsibility" means.

No clue whatsoever.....

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by migrainegram February 10, 2007 11:05 AM EST

formr

Well, you will be jealous then -- Ohio is still in a deep freeze -- sunny today, high 15-20.

Email change as well or is it still the same?

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by formrusmcsgt February 10, 2007 11:10 AM EST

Email change as well or is it still the same?
Posted by migrainegram at 08:05 AM : Feb 10, 2007

Still the same, bro..and I am envious.

You can unplug the freezer and lift the lid if it's in the garage, eh?

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by panhandlpete February 10, 2007 11:20 AM EST

Dream, dream, dream......why can't we flip the calendar over to January 20, 2009?

After that date, no matter what, a new direction will be taken by the United States of America.

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by formrusmcsgt February 10, 2007 11:21 AM EST

After that date, no matter what, a new direction will be taken by the United States of America.
Posted by panhandlpete at 08:20 AM : Feb 10, 2007

And the world and America itself will breathe a sigh of relief.

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by ghareeb2-2009 February 10, 2007 11:23 AM EST

from Egypt: new chief,new strategy,all is nonesense
the americans are defeated,and it's the time for withdrawal with great shame,the greatest in history.
the only way for america to survive is to be honest and to stop supporting Israel in killing the innocent people in Palastine.
otherwise no way out and you'll continue receiving the american burnt bodies.!!

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by formrusmcsgt February 10, 2007 11:26 AM EST

ghareeb2-

I will not argue that the U.S. policy in regards to Israel is the root of our problems with the Arab world.

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by dallison7 February 10, 2007 11:27 AM EST

After that date, no matter what, a new direction will be taken by the United States of America.
Posted by panhandlpete

How much more desturction are we going to see from the Bush administration in the meanwhile?

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by formrusmcsgt February 10, 2007 11:30 AM EST

How much more desturction are we going to see from the Bush administration in the meanwhile?
Posted by dallison7 at 08:27 AM : Feb 10, 2007

Less than what we'd have seen had the Repubs not been stomped in November, that's for sure.

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by dallison7 February 10, 2007 11:32 AM EST

Less than what we'd have seen had the Repubs not been stomped in November, that's for sure.
Posted by formrusmcsgt

Yeah, the article about faulty intelligence does make you feel a little better. Maybe we are going to have some degree of oversight now.

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by lars008-2009 February 10, 2007 11:50 AM EST

ghareeb2

from USA: new chief,new strategy,all is nonesense
the FASCIST NAZI ISLAMIC MUSLIMS are defeated,and it's the time for withdrawal with great shame,the greatest in history.
the only way for FASCIST NAZI ISLAM to survive is to be honest and to stop supporting FASCIST NAZI ISLAM MUSLIMS in killing the innocent people in WORLD.
otherwise no way out and you'll continue receiving the FASCIST NAZI ISLAMIC MUSLIM burnt bodies.!!

islam is a violation of international law

islam practices slavery on non muslims
islam practices aparthied on non muslims
islam practices rape on non muslims
islam practices genocide on non muslims

all are violations of international law and are crimes against humanity

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by formrusmcsgt February 10, 2007 11:54 AM EST

lars008 -

Islam is a violation of which international law?

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by dallison7 February 10, 2007 12:01 PM EST

all are violations of international law and are crimes against humanity

Posted by lars008


MAUDE!!! THE KIDS ARE UP!!

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by formrusmcsgt February 10, 2007 12:03 PM EST

lars008 -

You are always ranting about Islam being a violation of international law. Which international law make practicing Islam a crime? If you can't cite one, shut the **** up already.

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by formrusmcsgt February 10, 2007 12:04 PM EST

MAUDE!!! THE KIDS ARE UP!!
Posted by dallison7 at 09:01 AM : Feb 10, 2007

Had your coffee, I see. LMAO.

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by lars008-2009 February 10, 2007 12:04 PM EST

yes it is.....

islam is a violation of international law

islam practices slavery on non muslims
islam practices aparthied on non muslims
islam practices rape on non muslims
islam practices genocide on non muslims

all are violations of international law and are crimes against humanity

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by formrusmcsgt February 10, 2007 12:05 PM EST

lars008-

Cite one.

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by formrusmcsgt February 10, 2007 12:08 PM EST

yes it is.....

islam is a violation of international law

Posted by lars008 at 09:04 AM : Feb 10, 2007

What? Because YOU say so?

Cite one law that makes practicing Islam a crime. Just one.

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by formrusmcsgt February 10, 2007 12:09 PM EST

C'mon, lars, where's the law?

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by formrusmcsgt February 10, 2007 12:11 PM EST

lars-

You and I both know there is no such law and that, as usual, you are just talking out your a$$.

You just aren't man enough to admit it. You get caught on your BS and you run and hide rather than manning up and admit it.

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by lars008-2009 February 10, 2007 12:13 PM EST

only a silly stupid little fascist nazi islamic muslim thinks these are not crimes in international law and crimes against humanity.....

http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=international+law slavery&fr=yfp-t-501&toggle=1&cop=mss&ei=UTF-8

http://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=A0oGkjW.0c1FSZwAUpxXNyoA?p=international law aparthied&ei=UTF-8&fr=yfp-t-501&x=wrt

http://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=A0oGklP70c1FwUUBayNXNyoA?p=international law rape&ei=UTF-8&fr=yfp-t-501&x=wrt

http://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=A0oGkmJk0s1FicgARBxXNyoA?p=international law genocide&ei=UTF-8&fr=yfp-t-501&x=wrt

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by formrusmcsgt February 10, 2007 12:15 PM EST

only a silly stupid little fascist nazi islamic muslim thinks these are not crimes in international law and crimes against humanity.....

Posted by lars008 at 09:13 AM : Feb 10, 2007

None of these cite a law maiking the practice of Islam a crime. Where's the law?

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[skyk-2009]

How many American's will have to die? That's the ONLY issue WE the PEOPLE should be concerned with right now. Saving face for Bush and his "Administration" should NOT be in our thought pattern. The "Mission" here has been and continues to be one of saving face for a VERY INCOMPETENT President who has used the American Military Might to enforce HIS policy... a policy that has failed and failed VERY badly. Now it looks to me like we have two choices here. To continue to follow a leader who just a FEW short months ago was telling ALL of us that we were WINNING in Iraq or we do something different... we follow people who have been right about this mess from day one. Those of you who wish to drink the kool aid may line up on the right... as for me? I support the American, my neighbor and friends. I do not want to see ONE more drop of blood shed for this evil piece of Nazi Trash. How much egg he has on his face when it's over matters not to me. Combat Vet, USMC, RVN, 1968

[dallison7]

"We liberated them from tyranny but we can't liberate them from prejudices," he said.


This is the fundamental truth that the neocons ignored. These tribesmen have been fighting one another for fifteen hundred years. There is no 'National identy' in Iraq, only tribal. The different factions don't rely on borders. They are, each of them, spread throughout several countries. It is to be expected that tribesmen in Iran, Syria and other neighboring lands would want to fight alongside their 'brothers'. Our armed forces are beating a dead horse here, we cannot win this. What we can do, and appear to be in the process of doing, is expand this thing throughout the middle east. We need to get out of there as quickly as possible and let them fight this out. Our presence there is inflamatory.

[migrainegram]

Same stuff -- different day.

What else can he say -- he wants the job.

[skyk-2009]

"We liberated them from tyranny but we can't liberate them from prejudices," he said.

General you need to deliever THIS message to Sir Lies-A-Lot and those that HE leads!! When you MAJOR support in a Nation still to this day blame their neighbors and fellow citizens for the failures that Sir Lies-A-Lot and he alone is responsible for, that shows a long held and bitter prejudice against those who have CONSISTENTLY stood for freedom and the rights of ALL people. Sieg Heil!!

[perception5]

What's hopeless is the constant 99% negative reporting by our corrupt liberal MSM wolfpack.

If I were a terrorist I would be pleased with the nightly news coming from CBS, NBC, ABC, CNN....... wouldn't you??????

[dallison7]

If I were a terrorist I would be pleased with the nightly news coming from CBS, NBC, ABC, CNN....... wouldn't you??????
Posted by perception5

Let's see, who did you leave out? tick-tock, tick-tock


OH YEAH!!! FAUX NEWS!!

[skyk-2009]

IF we go back to what this nation stood for in the 200 years plus before Sir Lies-A-Lot, we will suffer. That's what the Reich is telling us. We sold our souls to the FASCIST view of things, the Southern Fascist way of conducting oursleves with our friends and neighbors and it has been by any estimation the WORST blunder in this nations history, bar NONE. But, we are told, to pull back and show some HONOR toward friends who have been there through our history and simply say we picked the WRONG leader, would distroy the country. Bush was VERY wrong in what he did, HE humiliated our friends and acted like a Bully and it's time to admit we made a mistake. That's what AMERICA would have done in the days of FDR or John Kennedy. You can NOT defeat Terrorist with a bigger bomb people you must defeat HATE. By the same token asking people who's history is that of being Terrorist, to address our situation in the world is not going to work. We need to turn to people who have been in the trenches against extremist like the KKK for guidence... the problem is that those people are the sworn enemy of those who have been lying to us for over 6 years now. The choice is ours to make.

[skyk-2009]

What's hopeless is the constant 99% negative reporting by our corrupt liberal MSM wolfpack.

If I were a terrorist I would be pleased with the nightly news coming from CBS, NBC, ABC, CNN....... wouldn't you??????
Posted by perception5 at 07:07 AM : Feb 10, 2007

Well now lets see, IF this "wolfpack" had not been screaming their heads off, we'd still be hearing "Stay the Course" wouldn't we? You pathetic LOSERS aren't happy with just getting a good Whoopin... NO! You want to take the entire nation down because YOU hate "liberal's". LOL What part of WE the People do you NOT understand? LOL I guess it's okay to try and "Give" other people a Government "By the People"... you just do not want to "Give" that Government to your Neighbor huh? LMAO The "enemy" is in ANOTHER Country and this WAR is a LIE started by and Incompetent LOSER. Now IF you'd have been listening to REAL news from your neighbors and fellow citizens you'd know that wouldn't you? Sieg Heil!!

[formrusmcsgt]

"We liberated them from tyranny but we can't liberate them from prejudices," he said.


Precisely why this boondoggle was doomed from the start and why no amount of money or warriors will change anything, plain and simple.

The Sunnis and Shias both feel that they are the owners of the truth, as far as Islam is concerned, and convincing them to think otherwise is an impossibility.

There's about as much of a chance of that happeneing as there is that singingrick will convert to Islam......

[formrusmcsgt]

If I were a terrorist I would be pleased with the nightly news coming from CBS, NBC, ABC, CNN....... wouldn't you??????
Posted by perception5

So what you want is a daily, rosy report of lies telling America how well this disaster is going, is that it?

Kind of a "don't confuse us with the facts" approach?

[dallison7]

Posted by formrusmcsgt

I like the new handle

[formrusmcsgt]

You can NOT defeat Terrorist with a bigger bomb people you must defeat HATE.
Posted by skyk at 07:25 AM : Feb 10, 2007

What I find to be a constant in those that support Bush is the hatred they themselves demonstrate. They seethe about Muslims. They hurl insults at news organizations for reporting the truth. They disrespect posters who express a differing viewpoint.

They apparently feel that hatred can be defeated with more hatred. Pity......

[formrusmcsgt]

I like the new handle
Posted by dallison7 at 07:41 AM : Feb 10, 2007

Thanks you, sir...and good morning.

[dallison7]

Mornin', another beautiful day in Florida, I wonder how the weather is in Las Vegas

[formrusmcsgt]

This from President Putin of Russia yesterday on who we are under Bush's "guiding hand":

Putin Blasts U.S. for Its Use of Force

Saturday February 10, 2007 10:16 AM


MUNICH, Germany (AP) - Russian President Vladimir Putin blasted the United States Saturday for the ``almost uncontained'' use of force in the world, and for encouraging other countries to acquire nuclear weapons.

Putin told a forum of the world's top security officials that ``we are witnessing an almost uncontained hyper use of force in international relations'' and that ``one state, the United States, has overstepped its national borders in every way.

``This is very dangerous, nobody feels secure anymore because nobody can hide behind international law,'' Putin told the gathering.


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We should all feel proud that we are now viewed as warmongerers around the world..........

[formrusmcsgt]

Mornin', another beautiful day in Florida, I wonder how the weather is in Las Vegas
Posted by dallison7 at 07:43 AM : Feb 10, 2007

Slightly overcast, 70 degrees..NO HUMIDITY! Eat your heart out.

[formrusmcsgt]

Another cost of Bush's boondoggle:

Support Needed For States Hosting Displaced Iraqis
Saturday, 10 February 2007, 11:24 am
Press Release: United Nations
International Support Needed For States Hosting Displaced Iraqis, UN Official Says
New York, Feb 8 2007 6:00PM

The chief of the United Nations refugee agency called for increased international support for States such as Jordan and Syria which have made a %u201Chuge sacrifice%u201D by hosting hundreds of thousands of refugees fleeing war-torn Iraq.

%u201CA limited number of countries are paying a very heavy price for the protection of these people in distress,%u201D UN High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR) Antsnio Guterres told the press yesterday in Jordan%u2019s capital Amman on the third leg of a weeklong trip to the Gulf region.

[dallison7]

Slightly overcast, 70 degrees..NO HUMIDITY! Eat your heart out.
Posted by formrusmcsgt

It'll top out sunny and 80 here, but the humidity is another thing though. Later I think I'll swim out to the garage and get my Harley out.

[skyk-2009]

Our presence there is inflamatory.
Posted by dallison7 at 06:59 AM : Feb 10, 2007

Well said. On one side in this War of ignorance that's been going on now for nearly 2000 years you have the Tribe of Saddam, who we allowed to be lynched like the Klan used to do in Mississippi and on the other we have the Shiite who are aided by Iran. Now would one of you fascist please tell me WHICH side we're on again? LOL

[dallison7]

We should all feel proud that we are now viewed as warmongerers around the world..........
Posted by formrusmcsgt

If you talked to Europeans four or five years ago, they presented a sort of 'tongue-in-cheek' attitude about the US. Now is is more of an angry disgust.

[formrusmcsgt]

Later I think I'll swim out to the garage and get my Harley out.
Posted by dallison7 at 07:49 AM : Feb 10, 2007

You mean across the moat or in your own persperation? ;-)

[formrusmcsgt]

On one side in this War of ignorance that's been going on now for nearly 2000 years....
Posted by skyk at 07:53 AM : Feb 10, 2007

And on the other side, an ignorance that's been going on for 4 years with no end in sight....

[dallison7]

You mean across the moat or in your own persperation? ;-)
Posted by formrusmcsgt

through the atmosphere

[formrusmcsgt]

If you talked to Europeans four or five years ago, they presented a sort of 'tongue-in-cheek' attitude about the US. Now is is more of an angry disgust.
Posted by dallison7 at 07:53 AM : Feb 10, 2007

Correct. But most distinguish between the American people and Bush himself. Bush is despised while Americans are still, in general, viewed in favorable terms.

Gee...I wonder why that is, eh?

[formrusmcsgt]

through the atmosphere
Posted by dallison7 at 07:56 AM : Feb 10, 2007

I can relate...I lived in Houston for 22 years.

[bluestardad]

Yea you stupid Americans send a couple more tons of money over here! 363 tons is not enough for my cousins!

[omnibus66]

"But I go away with great pride because we've laid the foundation here" - Gen. Casey

A foundation of mud laid in quicksand.

[dallison7]

Yea you stupid Americans send a couple more tons of money over here! 363 tons is not enough for my cousins!
Posted by bluestardad

Have any of you speculated where that missing $12 BILLION went? I think it might be enough to prop up a private military and buy a ranch in Paraguay.

[formrusmcsgt]

Have any of you speculated where that missing $12 BILLION went? I think it might be enough to prop up a private military and buy a ranch in Paraguay.
Posted by dallison7 at 08:00 AM : Feb 10, 2007

I just about die laughing when I hear Bush refer to "fiscal responsibility".

Considering that structure that Brenner oversaw and the billions that flew away, coupled with the fact that the Iraqi oil system doesn't even have metering systems allowing billions to be pumped into individuals pockets, plus the scandalous grand larceny money that Halliburton has pumped into it's coffers, Bush demonstrates that he hasn't the foggiest idea what "fiscal responsibility" means.

No clue whatsoever.....

[migrainegram]

formr

Well, you will be jealous then -- Ohio is still in a deep freeze -- sunny today, high 15-20.

Email change as well or is it still the same?

[formrusmcsgt]

Email change as well or is it still the same?
Posted by migrainegram at 08:05 AM : Feb 10, 2007

Still the same, bro..and I am envious.

You can unplug the freezer and lift the lid if it's in the garage, eh?

[panhandlpete]

Dream, dream, dream......why can't we flip the calendar over to January 20, 2009?

After that date, no matter what, a new direction will be taken by the United States of America.

[formrusmcsgt]

After that date, no matter what, a new direction will be taken by the United States of America.
Posted by panhandlpete at 08:20 AM : Feb 10, 2007

And the world and America itself will breathe a sigh of relief.

[ghareeb2-2009]

from Egypt: new chief,new strategy,all is nonesense
the americans are defeated,and it's the time for withdrawal with great shame,the greatest in history.
the only way for america to survive is to be honest and to stop supporting Israel in killing the innocent people in Palastine.
otherwise no way out and you'll continue receiving the american burnt bodies.!!

[formrusmcsgt]

ghareeb2-

I will not argue that the U.S. policy in regards to Israel is the root of our problems with the Arab world.

[dallison7]

After that date, no matter what, a new direction will be taken by the United States of America.
Posted by panhandlpete

How much more desturction are we going to see from the Bush administration in the meanwhile?

[formrusmcsgt]

How much more desturction are we going to see from the Bush administration in the meanwhile?
Posted by dallison7 at 08:27 AM : Feb 10, 2007

Less than what we'd have seen had the Repubs not been stomped in November, that's for sure.

[dallison7]

Less than what we'd have seen had the Repubs not been stomped in November, that's for sure.
Posted by formrusmcsgt

Yeah, the article about faulty intelligence does make you feel a little better. Maybe we are going to have some degree of oversight now.

[lars008-2009]

ghareeb2

from USA: new chief,new strategy,all is nonesense
the FASCIST NAZI ISLAMIC MUSLIMS are defeated,and it's the time for withdrawal with great shame,the greatest in history.
the only way for FASCIST NAZI ISLAM to survive is to be honest and to stop supporting FASCIST NAZI ISLAM MUSLIMS in killing the innocent people in WORLD.
otherwise no way out and you'll continue receiving the FASCIST NAZI ISLAMIC MUSLIM burnt bodies.!!

islam is a violation of international law

islam practices slavery on non muslims
islam practices aparthied on non muslims
islam practices rape on non muslims
islam practices genocide on non muslims

all are violations of international law and are crimes against humanity

[formrusmcsgt]

lars008 -

Islam is a violation of which international law?

[dallison7]

all are violations of international law and are crimes against humanity

Posted by lars008


MAUDE!!! THE KIDS ARE UP!!

[formrusmcsgt]

lars008 -

You are always ranting about Islam being a violation of international law. Which international law make practicing Islam a crime? If you can't cite one, shut the **** up already.

[formrusmcsgt]

MAUDE!!! THE KIDS ARE UP!!
Posted by dallison7 at 09:01 AM : Feb 10, 2007

Had your coffee, I see. LMAO.

[lars008-2009]

yes it is.....

islam is a violation of international law

islam practices slavery on non muslims
islam practices aparthied on non muslims
islam practices rape on non muslims
islam practices genocide on non muslims

all are violations of international law and are crimes against humanity

[formrusmcsgt]

lars008-

Cite one.

[formrusmcsgt]

yes it is.....

islam is a violation of international law

Posted by lars008 at 09:04 AM : Feb 10, 2007

What? Because YOU say so?

Cite one law that makes practicing Islam a crime. Just one.

[formrusmcsgt]

C'mon, lars, where's the law?

[formrusmcsgt]

lars-

You and I both know there is no such law and that, as usual, you are just talking out your a$$.

You just aren't man enough to admit it. You get caught on your BS and you run and hide rather than manning up and admit it.

[lars008-2009]

only a silly stupid little fascist nazi islamic muslim thinks these are not crimes in international law and crimes against humanity.....

http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=international+law slavery&fr=yfp-t-501&toggle=1&cop=mss&ei=UTF-8

http://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=A0oGkjW.0c1FSZwAUpxXNyoA?p=international law aparthied&ei=UTF-8&fr=yfp-t-501&x=wrt

http://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=A0oGklP70c1FwUUBayNXNyoA?p=international law rape&ei=UTF-8&fr=yfp-t-501&x=wrt

http://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=A0oGkmJk0s1FicgARBxXNyoA?p=international law genocide&ei=UTF-8&fr=yfp-t-501&x=wrt

[formrusmcsgt]

only a silly stupid little fascist nazi islamic muslim thinks these are not crimes in international law and crimes against humanity.....

Posted by lars008 at 09:13 AM : Feb 10, 2007

None of these cite a law maiking the practice of Islam a crime. Where's the law?