Gates: Iranian Weaponry Found In Iraq

Defense Secretary Says Serial Numbers, Markings "Pretty Good" Evidence Of Iran's Role

(CBS/AP)  Serial numbers and markings on explosives used in Iraq provide "pretty good" evidence that Iranians are providing either weapons or technology for militants there, Defense Secretary Robert Gates asserted Friday.

Gates' comments made official the Iran weapons connection first reported by CBS News at the end of January, when officials told national security correspondent David Martin that serial numbers on parts used to make advanced explosive devices, powerful enough to breach the armor on an American tank, had been traced directly back to Iran.

The officials also told Martin rocket-propelled grenade launchers and assault rifles found in Iraq had Iranian factory markings.

Offering some of the first public details of evidence the military has collected, Gates said, "I think there's some serial numbers, there may be some markings on some of the projectile fragments that we found," that point to Iran.

At the same time, however, he said he was somewhat surprised that recent raids by coalition and Iraqi forces in Iraq swept up some Iranians.

Just last week, Gates said that U.S. military officers in Baghdad were planning to brief reporters on what is known about Iranian involvement in Iraq but that he and other senior administration officials had intervened to delay the briefing in order to assure that the information provided was accurate.

Speaking to reporters at a defense ministers' conference in Seville, Spain, Gates said Friday, "I don't think there was surprise that the Iranians were actually involved, I think there was surprise we actually picked up some."

He and other U.S. officials have said for some time that Iranians, and possibly the government of Iran, have been providing weapons technology, and possibly some explosives to Iraqi insurgents.

But, Bernie Kaussler, an associate fellow at the University of St. Andrews' Institute for Iranian Studies, tells CBSNews.com that he's not convinced top Iranian officials are involved in weapons smuggling.

"There are so many players in Iranian politics, many times the left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing. That might well be the case," he explains. "It is possible that there are a few hotheads supplying weapons and support without the central government knowing."

The improvised explosive devices (IEDs) have been a leading killer of U.S. forces in Iraq, where more than 3,000 servicemen and women have died in the nearly four-year-old war.

Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has denied his government is supporting Iraq's militias with money or weapons.

The IEDs have been a leading killer of U.S. forces in Iraq, where more than 3,000 servicemen and women have died in the nearly four-year-old war.

Gates, who is attending his first NATO defense ministers meeting, said Iran is "very much involved in providing either the technology or the weapons themselves for these explosively formed projectiles. Now they don't represent a big percentage of the IED attacks but they're extremely lethal."

Gates said the raids combined with the movement of an additional U.S. aircraft carrier into the Persian Gulf have created a stir, but said the Bush administration has no intention of attacking Iran.

In other developments:

An al Qaeda-linked insurgent group posted a Web video Friday showing what it said was the downing of a U.S. military helicopter earlier this week. Seven Americans were killed in the crash. The U.S. military has said it did not believe the CH-46 Sea Knight helicopter was shot down in the crash Wednesday northwest of Baghdad. U.S. military officials said early indications were that the craft's loss was due to mechanical failure.

U.S. helicopters mistakenly killed at least five Kurdish troops Friday in a friendly fire incident against forces Washington hopes to partner with to secure Iraq, U.S. and Iraqi officials said. The deaths occurred in eastern Mosul at about midnight. The U.S. military said the airstrike was targeting al Qaeda fighters, but later issued an apology, saying the five men killed had been identified as Kurdish police. Kurdish officials put the casualty toll at eight killed and six wounded

The military also said three U.S. soldiers died Thursday in fighting in Anbar province, an insurgent stronghold west of Baghdad, bringing the total number of U.S. military deaths in Iraq this month to 33. The deaths raised to at least 3,117 members of the U.S. military who have died since the Iraq war started in March 2003, according to an Associated Press count.

Police said gunmen dressed in Iraqi army uniforms swept into a village south of Baghdad, kidnapping 13 civilians and killing at least 11 of them. The attack occurred in Imam, a predominantly Shiite village about 47 miles south of the Iraqi capital. Police later found 11 bodies with gunshot wounds to the head and chest, and they were believed to be those who had been kidnapped, police and the Iraqi army said.

A roadside bomb killed one British soldier and wounded three others in southern Iraq on Friday, the British military said. The attack occurred at an intersection about 3 miles southeast of Basra, according to a spokeswoman for British forces in Iraq. The latest casualties bring to 101 the number of British military deaths attributed to hostile action since the U.S.-led invasion in 2003, according to Britain's Ministry of Defense.

The Iraqis want to put him on trial for allegedly supporting terrorists, but an American who once served in the Minnesota National Guard won't be facing those judges for now. A federal appeals court in Washington ruled that Shawqi Omar, a citizen of both Jordan and the U.S., has a right to argue for his release before a U.S. court. For the last two years he's been held at a prison in southern Iraq without formal charges and, his family says, without access to counsel.


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by jabberwock11 February 9, 2007 10:31 AM PST

OMG Serial numbers! "pretty good" evidence. Those ***! Let's start another war! Yeeeeee! Haaaaaa!

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by tuckerndfw February 9, 2007 10:57 AM PST

I sincerely hope no American voter is STUPID enough to fall for any more of this administration's lies.

Gates needs to concern himself with how he is going to get our troops out of Iraq and stop worrying about manufacturing phony "intelligence" for the war criminals in the White House.

It is way past time to impeach and indict George Bush for his multiple crimes, including murder.

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by talkingham February 9, 2007 11:00 AM PST

Yeah, and I bet you can serial numbers for weapons made in virtually every country that makes weapons in Iraq. This is a real find.

I wonder if Gates can "find" the 8-billion in cash that disappeared while he was at it. That could buy a few weapons I suppose.

The CIA has fallen down or been pushed down and can't get up. It's now just another agency filled with poltiical hacks thanks to the Bush neocons. Yet the former head of the agency receives the USA's highest civilian medal for his wonderful work leading up to Iraq and pre-911 intelligence failures. A completely morally corrupt administrations that has killed thousands and thousands of people based on "flawed" intelligence. The biggest flaw in intelligence is at the top.

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by shingles1 February 9, 2007 11:04 AM PST

It's a slam dunk!

Perfect timing - this comes out on the same day that we get "official" confirmation that the Iraqi pre-war "evidence" was hyped by the OSP.

Note how the "liberal media" repeats the official US talking points here: seemlessly linking the news about Iran "supporting the insurgency" to American deaths in Iraq - even though the overwhelming majority of these deaths occur in Sunni areas and have nothing whatsoever to do with the Shiites.

And this, despite the fact that Iran supports the groups that make up the Iraqi government. This is a breakdown of the groups that formed the United Iraqi Alliance, the ruling GOVERNMENT of Iraq:

SCIRI: 23% (29)
Sadrist: 22% (28)
Independents: 22% (28)
Dawa Party: 20% (26)
Fadhila Party: 13% (17)

At least 65% are made up of groups that receive(d) aid from Iran (either back when Saddam was in power and/or today). So, you'd have to believe that Iran is supplying weapons to it's own enemies. And I've got a bridge to sell you.

But the disaster in Iraq has got to be SOMEONE'S fault, and since the fake conservatives never take responsibility for their own actions, it might as well be Irans.

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by dallison7 February 9, 2007 11:11 AM PST

"Just last week, Gates said that U.S. military officers in Baghdad were planning to brief reporters on what is known about Iranian involvement in Iraq but that he and other senior administration officials had intervened to delay the briefing in order to assure that the information provided was accurate."



What we will see now that the story has broken about the 'misleading intelligence' is a rush to war with Iran. The administration will, no doubt, fast forward their bogus scheme to start that war.

If there was ever a time for concerned citizens to write their congressman and voice their concerns, it is now!!

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by bigwhtpony February 9, 2007 11:24 AM PST

I think it's only fair that the Iranians find some American weapons in Iran....starting with air raids, then curise missles, then long range artillary.

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by shingles1 February 9, 2007 11:29 AM PST

"I think it's only fair that the Iranians find some American weapons in Iran....starting with air raids, then curise missles, then long range artillary.
Posted by bigwhtpony"

Impervious to facts.

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by antoniof123 February 9, 2007 11:32 AM PST

Madam Speaker please impeach these nuts before they start another war!!!!!!!

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by bluestardad February 9, 2007 11:39 AM PST

Gates Has no Idea and is just hyping the Administrations case to attack Iran. There are American Weapons in Iran too! So what are they saying we found weapon serial numbers we sold to Iran staged in Iraq? This Administration has no legal right to attack Iran!

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by sidkeith7 February 9, 2007 11:43 AM PST

Need Mr Gates be apprised of the fact that AMERICAN WEAPONS are to be found in virtually all WARRING countries on Earth? Does this fact then PROVE that the USA is ACTIVELY AIDING AND ABETING IN TERRORIST ACTIVITIES IN THOSE COUNTRIES WHERE AMERICAN WEAPONRY ARE FOUND?
It is reported that about a MILLION AMERICAN MADE CLUSTER BOMBS REMAIN AFTER THE ISRAELI BOMBING OF LEBANON, Mr Gates, and as Sec Def, you bare responsibility, shared of course, with the rest of the Bush administration you now serve, FOR THOSE OUTLAW WEAPONS BEING WHERE THEY NOW ARE, WHICH IS, BY THE WAY, A WAR CRIME, AND ALSO A CRIME AGAINST HUMANITY, NO MATTER WHAT THE FRAT BRAT IN THE WHITE HOUSE SAYS!

What is the word tha the white house press guy likes to use for such reasoning?

"Disingenuous", I believe is the word that "Snow-job" Tony likes to use in such cases, is it not? If so, then it is appropriate to conclude that Mr Gates is AGAIN BEING "DISINGENUOUS"!

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by obiquital February 9, 2007 11:44 AM PST

The US Intelligence Community is the best in the world by far. After the Cold War ended, there were severe budget cuts to the Intelligence Community. This was one of the many causes for the intelligence failure that led to the 9/11 terrorist attacks. However, after that, there were big reforms to the Intelligence Community and their funding was increased. Any "intelligence failures" are because the policy makers (who don't work for the Intelligence Community by the way) can choose to ignore Intelligence reports if it does not fit with what they want to do. So, blaming the Intelligence Community for the mistakes of a policy maker shows your ignorance.

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by bigwhtpony February 9, 2007 11:46 AM PST

Impervious to facts.
Posted by shingles1 at 11:29 AM : Feb 09, 2007

Impervious to American patriotism

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by obiquital February 9, 2007 11:50 AM PST

So you think that the intelligence that you hear about is the same as the intelligence reports that the president gets? After this intelligence has been filtered through the president where he has picked out the pieces that he likes and then by the media where they pick out the pieces that they like. You are getting maybe 5% of the original intelligence report.

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by observantx February 9, 2007 11:55 AM PST

The insurgents buy or steal weapons from anyone they can. I'll bet a month's salary that they have found Russian, Chinese, American, Yugoslavian, Bulgarian, You-name-it-arian weapons as well as Iraqi and Irainian weapons. The place is awash in weapons and explosives from all over the world.

This is more twisted intelligence and cherrypicking. Don't fall for it.

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by bildooreilly February 9, 2007 11:56 AM PST

yeah they had "pretty good" intel last time as well. what a joke...

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by beehive21-2009 February 9, 2007 11:58 AM PST

Prepare yourselves,George is going after the bad guys ,don't forget the Twin towers.

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by clestes-2009 February 9, 2007 12:00 PM PST

"pretty good" evidence?? And we are suppose to believe what?

How dare Gates stand up there and claim "pretty good" evidence that Iran is supplying weapons. Does Bush and co think we are STUPID?? This is exactly the same line of B.S. they took in Iraq and it all turned out to be false. Only today there is a story that the Pentagon manipulated prewar intelligence to prop up the story about Iraq and 9-11.

This is nothing but lies, trying to convince the American people that Iran needs to be attacked. The only difference between now and then is the word "pretty good". They have no evidence Iran in doing anything, just like they had no evidence Saddam had WMD or was an ally of OBL.
I don't believe a word of it and have nothing but contempt for Gates.

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by scouser691 February 9, 2007 12:04 PM PST

Good un Sidkeith7, f*cking war mongering hypocritical scumbags.

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by inventagod February 9, 2007 12:04 PM PST

And there are American serial numbers on nearly every weapon on the planet...
Mr. Gates, you are the mouthpiece for the PNAC-driven fascist regime in Washingtoon. We know you have to say what you do, but I hope this Congress filters your propaganda better than the last one did.

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by bildooreilly February 9, 2007 12:09 PM PST

watch how the media "catapults the propaganda" for them just like they did last time. Both the feds and the media are known and proven liars. I can't believe a word they say anymore about anything let alone this.

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by gangesdak February 9, 2007 12:10 PM PST

Gates should go back to his university job. Why be a lying lacky for a lie-team? We know the track record of the Hype Intelligence Tram (HIT). These are all impeachment offences. Wake up Congress/Senate.

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by bluestardad February 9, 2007 12:12 PM PST

Contact your senator; The middle East is not in American Interest, we have invested 50 years of blood, money enough is enough! Saudia Arabia, Israel the lot of them, their neocons got us in this mess!
firststatehttp://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm

Founded in 1953 by Isaiah L. "Si" Kenen, AIPAC's original name was the American Zionist Committee for Public Affairs. According to UCLA political science professor and author, Steven Spiegel, "the tension between the Eisenhower administration and Israeli supporters was so acute that there were rumors (unfounded as it turned out) that the administration would investigate the American Zionist Council. Therefore, an independent lobbying committee was formed, which years later was renamed [AIPAC]." [SPIEGEL, p. 52].[citation needed] Today, AIPAC has over 100,000 members.[1]
AIPAC's stated purpose is to lobby the Congress of the United States on issues and legislation "to ensure that the U.S.-Israel relationship is strong so that both countries can work together" to meet the challenges of "stopping Iran from acquiring nuclear weapons, fighting terrorism and achieving peace".[2] It regularly meets with members of Congress and holds events where it can share its views, and provide analysis of voting records of U.S. federal representatives and senators with regard to support of Israel. The New York Times described AIPAC on July 6, 1987 as "a major force in shaping United States policy in the Middle East."

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by lars008-2009 February 9, 2007 12:20 PM PST

We do use books that call Jews 'apes' admits head of Islamic school
The principal of an Islamic school has admitted that it uses textbooks which describe Jews as "apes" and Christians as "pigs" and has refused to withdraw them.
Dr Sumaya Alyusuf confirmed that the offending books exist after former teacher Colin Cook, 57, alleged that children as young as five are taught from racist materials at the King Fahd Academy in Acton.
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-23384657-details/We+do use books that call Jews 'apes' admits head of Islamic school/article.do

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by lars008-2009 February 9, 2007 12:22 PM PST

relax you stupid silly fascist nazi islamic muslims.......
the usa will have bases and troops in the middle east for a long long time...... get used to it.....

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by beehive21-2009 February 9, 2007 12:24 PM PST

It matters not who lied .The Twin Towers is gone and they shall pay .Please Mr.President kick some ***.

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by kphx February 9, 2007 12:25 PM PST

War, War, War ... Lwt us do it. Patriots fall in line. Our King has found evidence to attack Iran. We don't have time to wait. We are left with only tow years before the elections. Time for War.

Let us liberate Iranians from their oppressors. They are gonna welcome us the liberators.

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by lars008-2009 February 9, 2007 12:30 PM PST

let the eradication begin.....

Ali Sina, an ex-Muslim from Iran. He is the creator of Faithfreedom.org.
Yet I know that by eradicating Islam we can save the world from the dangers of a catastrophe that otherwise is looming over our heads and could cause more disaster than the 1st and 2nd World Wars combined. Eradication of Islam means restoring peace among humanity and civility, democracy and prosperity in the Muslim world.
http://www.faithfreedom.org/Articles/sina/why_i_left_islam.htm

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by bluestardad February 9, 2007 12:31 PM PST

Hey Congress, We know you cannot protect innocent high school pages in the Halls of Congress nor put Pedophiles in Jail like Mark Foley, how about thieves of billions of dollars, and Liars that cause the deaths and Maiming of Thousands of American Soldiers and sends our country to a war on a lie? The Middle East is not in American Interest, we have invested 50 years of blood, and money enough is enough! Did the Neocons slip you some money how about thirty pieces of silver for your vote or compliancy in this war?
firststatehttp://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm

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by kphx February 9, 2007 12:33 PM PST

Isn't it time to eradicate lars008

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by lars008-2009 February 9, 2007 12:35 PM PST

buy yourself a sense of humor you fascist nazi Islamic muslims%u2026
http://www.henryk-broder.de/tagebuch/karikaturisten.html

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by skyk-2009 February 9, 2007 12:36 PM PST

Well Sir Lies-A-Lot is true to the fascist way... When you start a War you need to keep it going. If Sir Lies-A-Lot and his idiots didn't figure Iran to arm the shiite's he is much more incompetent than before. I personally think they intended this from the begining but who knows. They may be lying about the whole thing or setting it up.... The's the problem when you have BOTH and Incompetent leader and a LIAR.

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by lars008-2009 February 9, 2007 12:36 PM PST

Terrorism Awareness Project to wake up Americans and the World
http://www.terrorismawareness.org/
http://www.terrorismawareness.org/islamic-mein-kampf

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by lars008-2009 February 9, 2007 12:37 PM PST

ISLAM / PERFECT EXAMPLE OF FASCISM!!!
pisslam is intent on killing or enslaving all nonMUDs......

The most notable characteristic of a fascist country is the separation and persecution or denial of equality to a specific segment of the population based upon superficial qualities or belief systems.
Simply stated, a fascist government always has one class of citizens that is considered superior (good) to another (bad) based upon race, creed or origin. It is possible to be both a republic and a fascist state. The preferred class lives in a republic while the oppressed class lives in a fascist state.
http://www.couplescompany.com/Features/Politics/Structure3.htm

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by skyk-2009 February 9, 2007 12:40 PM PST

Let us liberate Iranians from their oppressors. They are gonna welcome us the liberators.
Posted by kphx at 12:25 PM : Feb 09, 2007

It's absolutely AMAZING how little you fascist change one decade to the next. Got to say one thing though when you have a LOSING Plan you sure stick to it. No wonder you ALWAYS loose.

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by skyk-2009 February 9, 2007 12:48 PM PST

It matters not who lied .The Twin Towers is gone and they shall pay .Please Mr.President kick some ***.
Posted by beehive21 at 12:24 PM : Feb 09, 2007

Well it would help if we had someone in charge who could actually WIN a fight or two... in the country where the enemy ACTUALLY is! ROFLMAO This bumbling baffoon can't win a game of Hop Shock against a Girl. Now PLEASE tell me you are talking about ANOTHER War against an actual commander!?! The line for the Kool Aid starts to your Right!! LOL Just think if Sir Lies-A-Lot had been in charge of Germany in 1939, the War in Europe would have been over in 6 months! ROFLMAO

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by lars008-2009 February 9, 2007 12:48 PM PST

islam is a violation of international law

islam practices slavery on non muslims
islam practices aparthied on non muslims
islam practices rape on non muslims
islam practices genocide on non muslims

all are violations of international law and are crimes against humanity

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by dallison7 February 9, 2007 12:51 PM PST

Prepare yourselves,George is going after the bad guys ,don't forget the Twin towers.
Posted by beehive21


I must have missed something here, we were told that Bin Laden's enemy Saddam was responsible for the attack on the twin towers. How many times can we use that?? Will we next say that it was the French that did it, as we march int Paris?

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by skyk-2009 February 9, 2007 12:52 PM PST

The most notable characteristic of a fascist country is the separation and persecution or denial of equality to a specific segment of the population based upon superficial qualities or belief systems.
Simply stated, a fascist government always has one class of citizens that is considered superior (good) to another (bad) based upon race, creed or origin. It is possible to be both a republic and a fascist state. The preferred class lives in a republic while the oppressed class lives in a fascist state.
http://www.couplescompany.com/Fe
atures/Politics/Structure3.htm

Posted by lars008 at 12:37 PM : Feb 09, 2007


Hey give the boy a Cigar!! You actually were awake during your last klan rally? ROFLMAO I'll say one thing I'm sure as HELL glad you clowns were on the OTHER side when we went up against our OWN Religious Terrorist. You you pathetic losers thought Weapons from not just Iran but OTHER nations wasn't going to be present, after all Iran IS supporting ONE side in this civil war, you were in another Fascist Dream Sparky! Now what would POSSIBABLY make you think Sir Lies-A-Lot 1) is telling you the truth here and 2) could actually win if he attacked? Do you have ANY evidence that this Incompetent LOSER could do that? ROFLMAO

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by kphx February 9, 2007 12:57 PM PST

lars008 your preacher wants to talk to you in private .... you are excused ...

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by skyk-2009 February 9, 2007 12:58 PM PST

This is NUTS! What these people are telling us is that Arms from IRAN are being used by the people OF IRAQ against US... the LIBERATORS.. the folks who we were supposed to have meet us with flowers!! LOL Anyone who can make any sense out of this mess is as crazy as *** Cheney. There is ONE overriding FACT though.. our PRESIDENT is a BALD FACED LIAR!! EVERY DAMNED REASON this low life has given for the War in Iraq has constantly and consistently been changed. We FREED these people, they get ARMS from the people next door and use them ON US? Now one of you fascist please tell me why we're still there? WE give our young up to FREE people who take up ARMs against us? This isn't worth ONE more American's life, NOT ONE MORE!!

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by lars008-2009 February 9, 2007 12:59 PM PST

so many stupid silly little fascist nazi islamic muslims pretending to be liberal americans.......... right haji.... hahahahahahaha

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by lars008-2009 February 9, 2007 1:00 PM PST

NUKE MECCA OPTION
http://www.ourmedia.org/node/129759

Chirac threatens nuke terror for terrorism
http://www.indymedia.ie/article/73926

Chirac: Nuclear Response to Terrorism Is Possible
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/01/19/AR2006011903311.html?nav=hcmodule

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by bluestardad February 9, 2007 1:00 PM PST

skyk; hey the arms they are getting from Iran America sold Iran too! look Iran has Cobra Hellicopters and F14 jets too!

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by bluestardad February 9, 2007 1:03 PM PST

Contact your senator; The middle East is not in American Interest, we have invested 50 years of blood, money enough is enough! Saudia Arabia, Israel the lot of them, their neocons got us in this mess!
firststatehttp://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm

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by kphx February 9, 2007 1:04 PM PST

Our defense industry will sell all the weapons they make, to anybody and any country (including Iran). It is what their business is. The more war there is, the more profitable their business. Only King George's subjects don't get it.

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by skyk-2009 February 9, 2007 1:10 PM PST

For 6 long years I have sat here and said surely George Bush isn't THAT stupid... I've sat here and said surely he won't fall for that. EVERY time he has surprised. You NEVER and I do mean NEVER let someone prod you into a war... When you are as Incompetent as Bush and so easy to read as Bush it almost seems unfair. I know it's rough but sooner or later we must face it. When it comes to "winning hearts and minds" we are getting a whippin the likes of which this world has NEVER seen. Since the MAIN weapon of Terrorist is HATE and since Bush plays right into the hands of those who want others to HATE us... he's just getting his pants kicked off. In the future beside the word LOSER in the dictionary they will have a picture of George Bush.

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by skyk-2009 February 9, 2007 1:16 PM PST

so many stupid silly little fascist nazi islamic muslims pretending to be liberal americans.......... right haji.... hahahahahahaha
Posted by lars008 at 12:59 PM : Feb 09, 2007
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I love how you fascist are always telling us how brave you are. Course you, unlike me, have never taken up an arm and walked into battle. How do I know? Because anyone who has heard the scream of another American at his side would NEVER attack his neighbor and fellow citizen for not supporting someone SO incompetent and such a LIAR as George Bush. You sir deserve what you are getting... by the way ALL the war's we have won? Liberal's won them! All the rights you have? Liberals created them. But hey American you have to HATE Liberals!! ROFLMAO I've got a dog smarter than you Sparky! Combat Vet, USMC, Chu Lai, RVN, 1968

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by lars008-2009 February 9, 2007 1:18 PM PST

the resumption of hostilities was inevitable since iraq broke the ceasefire agreement.....

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by bluestardad February 9, 2007 1:20 PM PST

Contact your senator; The middle East is not in American Interest, we have invested 50 years of blood, money enough is enough! Saudia Arabia, Israel the lot of them, their neocons got us in this mess!
firststatehttp://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm

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by lars008-2009 February 9, 2007 1:21 PM PST

that is why we do not need or want a draft..... we do not need a bunch of liberals nancying around getting in the way of getting the job done....... all they do is help the enemy..... just like hanoi jane kerry......

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[jabberwock11]

OMG Serial numbers! "pretty good" evidence. Those ***! Let's start another war! Yeeeeee! Haaaaaa!

[tuckerndfw]

I sincerely hope no American voter is STUPID enough to fall for any more of this administration's lies.

Gates needs to concern himself with how he is going to get our troops out of Iraq and stop worrying about manufacturing phony "intelligence" for the war criminals in the White House.

It is way past time to impeach and indict George Bush for his multiple crimes, including murder.

[talkingham]

Yeah, and I bet you can serial numbers for weapons made in virtually every country that makes weapons in Iraq. This is a real find.

I wonder if Gates can "find" the 8-billion in cash that disappeared while he was at it. That could buy a few weapons I suppose.

The CIA has fallen down or been pushed down and can't get up. It's now just another agency filled with poltiical hacks thanks to the Bush neocons. Yet the former head of the agency receives the USA's highest civilian medal for his wonderful work leading up to Iraq and pre-911 intelligence failures. A completely morally corrupt administrations that has killed thousands and thousands of people based on "flawed" intelligence. The biggest flaw in intelligence is at the top.

[shingles1]

It's a slam dunk!

Perfect timing - this comes out on the same day that we get "official" confirmation that the Iraqi pre-war "evidence" was hyped by the OSP.

Note how the "liberal media" repeats the official US talking points here: seemlessly linking the news about Iran "supporting the insurgency" to American deaths in Iraq - even though the overwhelming majority of these deaths occur in Sunni areas and have nothing whatsoever to do with the Shiites.

And this, despite the fact that Iran supports the groups that make up the Iraqi government. This is a breakdown of the groups that formed the United Iraqi Alliance, the ruling GOVERNMENT of Iraq:

SCIRI: 23% (29)
Sadrist: 22% (28)
Independents: 22% (28)
Dawa Party: 20% (26)
Fadhila Party: 13% (17)

At least 65% are made up of groups that receive(d) aid from Iran (either back when Saddam was in power and/or today). So, you'd have to believe that Iran is supplying weapons to it's own enemies. And I've got a bridge to sell you.

But the disaster in Iraq has got to be SOMEONE'S fault, and since the fake conservatives never take responsibility for their own actions, it might as well be Irans.

[dallison7]

"Just last week, Gates said that U.S. military officers in Baghdad were planning to brief reporters on what is known about Iranian involvement in Iraq but that he and other senior administration officials had intervened to delay the briefing in order to assure that the information provided was accurate."



What we will see now that the story has broken about the 'misleading intelligence' is a rush to war with Iran. The administration will, no doubt, fast forward their bogus scheme to start that war.

If there was ever a time for concerned citizens to write their congressman and voice their concerns, it is now!!

[bigwhtpony]

I think it's only fair that the Iranians find some American weapons in Iran....starting with air raids, then curise missles, then long range artillary.

[shingles1]

"I think it's only fair that the Iranians find some American weapons in Iran....starting with air raids, then curise missles, then long range artillary.
Posted by bigwhtpony"

Impervious to facts.

[antoniof123]

Madam Speaker please impeach these nuts before they start another war!!!!!!!

[bluestardad]

Gates Has no Idea and is just hyping the Administrations case to attack Iran. There are American Weapons in Iran too! So what are they saying we found weapon serial numbers we sold to Iran staged in Iraq? This Administration has no legal right to attack Iran!

[sidkeith7]

Need Mr Gates be apprised of the fact that AMERICAN WEAPONS are to be found in virtually all WARRING countries on Earth? Does this fact then PROVE that the USA is ACTIVELY AIDING AND ABETING IN TERRORIST ACTIVITIES IN THOSE COUNTRIES WHERE AMERICAN WEAPONRY ARE FOUND?
It is reported that about a MILLION AMERICAN MADE CLUSTER BOMBS REMAIN AFTER THE ISRAELI BOMBING OF LEBANON, Mr Gates, and as Sec Def, you bare responsibility, shared of course, with the rest of the Bush administration you now serve, FOR THOSE OUTLAW WEAPONS BEING WHERE THEY NOW ARE, WHICH IS, BY THE WAY, A WAR CRIME, AND ALSO A CRIME AGAINST HUMANITY, NO MATTER WHAT THE FRAT BRAT IN THE WHITE HOUSE SAYS!

What is the word tha the white house press guy likes to use for such reasoning?

"Disingenuous", I believe is the word that "Snow-job" Tony likes to use in such cases, is it not? If so, then it is appropriate to conclude that Mr Gates is AGAIN BEING "DISINGENUOUS"!

[obiquital]

The US Intelligence Community is the best in the world by far. After the Cold War ended, there were severe budget cuts to the Intelligence Community. This was one of the many causes for the intelligence failure that led to the 9/11 terrorist attacks. However, after that, there were big reforms to the Intelligence Community and their funding was increased. Any "intelligence failures" are because the policy makers (who don't work for the Intelligence Community by the way) can choose to ignore Intelligence reports if it does not fit with what they want to do. So, blaming the Intelligence Community for the mistakes of a policy maker shows your ignorance.

[bigwhtpony]

Impervious to facts.
Posted by shingles1 at 11:29 AM : Feb 09, 2007

Impervious to American patriotism

[obiquital]

So you think that the intelligence that you hear about is the same as the intelligence reports that the president gets? After this intelligence has been filtered through the president where he has picked out the pieces that he likes and then by the media where they pick out the pieces that they like. You are getting maybe 5% of the original intelligence report.

[observantx]

The insurgents buy or steal weapons from anyone they can. I'll bet a month's salary that they have found Russian, Chinese, American, Yugoslavian, Bulgarian, You-name-it-arian weapons as well as Iraqi and Irainian weapons. The place is awash in weapons and explosives from all over the world.

This is more twisted intelligence and cherrypicking. Don't fall for it.

[bildooreilly]

yeah they had "pretty good" intel last time as well. what a joke...

[beehive21-2009]

Prepare yourselves,George is going after the bad guys ,don't forget the Twin towers.

[clestes-2009]

"pretty good" evidence?? And we are suppose to believe what?

How dare Gates stand up there and claim "pretty good" evidence that Iran is supplying weapons. Does Bush and co think we are STUPID?? This is exactly the same line of B.S. they took in Iraq and it all turned out to be false. Only today there is a story that the Pentagon manipulated prewar intelligence to prop up the story about Iraq and 9-11.

This is nothing but lies, trying to convince the American people that Iran needs to be attacked. The only difference between now and then is the word "pretty good". They have no evidence Iran in doing anything, just like they had no evidence Saddam had WMD or was an ally of OBL.
I don't believe a word of it and have nothing but contempt for Gates.

[scouser691]

Good un Sidkeith7, f*cking war mongering hypocritical scumbags.

[inventagod]

And there are American serial numbers on nearly every weapon on the planet...
Mr. Gates, you are the mouthpiece for the PNAC-driven fascist regime in Washingtoon. We know you have to say what you do, but I hope this Congress filters your propaganda better than the last one did.

[bildooreilly]

watch how the media "catapults the propaganda" for them just like they did last time. Both the feds and the media are known and proven liars. I can't believe a word they say anymore about anything let alone this.

[gangesdak]

Gates should go back to his university job. Why be a lying lacky for a lie-team? We know the track record of the Hype Intelligence Tram (HIT). These are all impeachment offences. Wake up Congress/Senate.

[bluestardad]

Contact your senator; The middle East is not in American Interest, we have invested 50 years of blood, money enough is enough! Saudia Arabia, Israel the lot of them, their neocons got us in this mess!
firststatehttp://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm

Founded in 1953 by Isaiah L. "Si" Kenen, AIPAC's original name was the American Zionist Committee for Public Affairs. According to UCLA political science professor and author, Steven Spiegel, "the tension between the Eisenhower administration and Israeli supporters was so acute that there were rumors (unfounded as it turned out) that the administration would investigate the American Zionist Council. Therefore, an independent lobbying committee was formed, which years later was renamed [AIPAC]." [SPIEGEL, p. 52].[citation needed] Today, AIPAC has over 100,000 members.[1]
AIPAC's stated purpose is to lobby the Congress of the United States on issues and legislation "to ensure that the U.S.-Israel relationship is strong so that both countries can work together" to meet the challenges of "stopping Iran from acquiring nuclear weapons, fighting terrorism and achieving peace".[2] It regularly meets with members of Congress and holds events where it can share its views, and provide analysis of voting records of U.S. federal representatives and senators with regard to support of Israel. The New York Times described AIPAC on July 6, 1987 as "a major force in shaping United States policy in the Middle East."

[lars008-2009]

We do use books that call Jews 'apes' admits head of Islamic school
The principal of an Islamic school has admitted that it uses textbooks which describe Jews as "apes" and Christians as "pigs" and has refused to withdraw them.
Dr Sumaya Alyusuf confirmed that the offending books exist after former teacher Colin Cook, 57, alleged that children as young as five are taught from racist materials at the King Fahd Academy in Acton.
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-23384657-details/We+do use books that call Jews 'apes' admits head of Islamic school/article.do

[lars008-2009]

relax you stupid silly fascist nazi islamic muslims.......
the usa will have bases and troops in the middle east for a long long time...... get used to it.....

[beehive21-2009]

It matters not who lied .The Twin Towers is gone and they shall pay .Please Mr.President kick some ***.

[kphx]

War, War, War ... Lwt us do it. Patriots fall in line. Our King has found evidence to attack Iran. We don't have time to wait. We are left with only tow years before the elections. Time for War.

Let us liberate Iranians from their oppressors. They are gonna welcome us the liberators.

[lars008-2009]

let the eradication begin.....

Ali Sina, an ex-Muslim from Iran. He is the creator of Faithfreedom.org.
Yet I know that by eradicating Islam we can save the world from the dangers of a catastrophe that otherwise is looming over our heads and could cause more disaster than the 1st and 2nd World Wars combined. Eradication of Islam means restoring peace among humanity and civility, democracy and prosperity in the Muslim world.
http://www.faithfreedom.org/Articles/sina/why_i_left_islam.htm

[bluestardad]

Hey Congress, We know you cannot protect innocent high school pages in the Halls of Congress nor put Pedophiles in Jail like Mark Foley, how about thieves of billions of dollars, and Liars that cause the deaths and Maiming of Thousands of American Soldiers and sends our country to a war on a lie? The Middle East is not in American Interest, we have invested 50 years of blood, and money enough is enough! Did the Neocons slip you some money how about thirty pieces of silver for your vote or compliancy in this war?
firststatehttp://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm

[kphx]

Isn't it time to eradicate lars008

[lars008-2009]

buy yourself a sense of humor you fascist nazi Islamic muslims%u2026
http://www.henryk-broder.de/tagebuch/karikaturisten.html

[skyk-2009]

Well Sir Lies-A-Lot is true to the fascist way... When you start a War you need to keep it going. If Sir Lies-A-Lot and his idiots didn't figure Iran to arm the shiite's he is much more incompetent than before. I personally think they intended this from the begining but who knows. They may be lying about the whole thing or setting it up.... The's the problem when you have BOTH and Incompetent leader and a LIAR.

[lars008-2009]

Terrorism Awareness Project to wake up Americans and the World
http://www.terrorismawareness.org/
http://www.terrorismawareness.org/islamic-mein-kampf

[lars008-2009]

ISLAM / PERFECT EXAMPLE OF FASCISM!!!
pisslam is intent on killing or enslaving all nonMUDs......

The most notable characteristic of a fascist country is the separation and persecution or denial of equality to a specific segment of the population based upon superficial qualities or belief systems.
Simply stated, a fascist government always has one class of citizens that is considered superior (good) to another (bad) based upon race, creed or origin. It is possible to be both a republic and a fascist state. The preferred class lives in a republic while the oppressed class lives in a fascist state.
http://www.couplescompany.com/Features/Politics/Structure3.htm

[skyk-2009]

Let us liberate Iranians from their oppressors. They are gonna welcome us the liberators.
Posted by kphx at 12:25 PM : Feb 09, 2007

It's absolutely AMAZING how little you fascist change one decade to the next. Got to say one thing though when you have a LOSING Plan you sure stick to it. No wonder you ALWAYS loose.

[skyk-2009]

It matters not who lied .The Twin Towers is gone and they shall pay .Please Mr.President kick some ***.
Posted by beehive21 at 12:24 PM : Feb 09, 2007

Well it would help if we had someone in charge who could actually WIN a fight or two... in the country where the enemy ACTUALLY is! ROFLMAO This bumbling baffoon can't win a game of Hop Shock against a Girl. Now PLEASE tell me you are talking about ANOTHER War against an actual commander!?! The line for the Kool Aid starts to your Right!! LOL Just think if Sir Lies-A-Lot had been in charge of Germany in 1939, the War in Europe would have been over in 6 months! ROFLMAO

[lars008-2009]

islam is a violation of international law

islam practices slavery on non muslims
islam practices aparthied on non muslims
islam practices rape on non muslims
islam practices genocide on non muslims

all are violations of international law and are crimes against humanity

[dallison7]

Prepare yourselves,George is going after the bad guys ,don't forget the Twin towers.
Posted by beehive21


I must have missed something here, we were told that Bin Laden's enemy Saddam was responsible for the attack on the twin towers. How many times can we use that?? Will we next say that it was the French that did it, as we march int Paris?

[skyk-2009]

The most notable characteristic of a fascist country is the separation and persecution or denial of equality to a specific segment of the population based upon superficial qualities or belief systems.
Simply stated, a fascist government always has one class of citizens that is considered superior (good) to another (bad) based upon race, creed or origin. It is possible to be both a republic and a fascist state. The preferred class lives in a republic while the oppressed class lives in a fascist state.
http://www.couplescompany.com/Fe
atures/Politics/Structure3.htm

Posted by lars008 at 12:37 PM : Feb 09, 2007


Hey give the boy a Cigar!! You actually were awake during your last klan rally? ROFLMAO I'll say one thing I'm sure as HELL glad you clowns were on the OTHER side when we went up against our OWN Religious Terrorist. You you pathetic losers thought Weapons from not just Iran but OTHER nations wasn't going to be present, after all Iran IS supporting ONE side in this civil war, you were in another Fascist Dream Sparky! Now what would POSSIBABLY make you think Sir Lies-A-Lot 1) is telling you the truth here and 2) could actually win if he attacked? Do you have ANY evidence that this Incompetent LOSER could do that? ROFLMAO

[kphx]

lars008 your preacher wants to talk to you in private .... you are excused ...

[skyk-2009]

This is NUTS! What these people are telling us is that Arms from IRAN are being used by the people OF IRAQ against US... the LIBERATORS.. the folks who we were supposed to have meet us with flowers!! LOL Anyone who can make any sense out of this mess is as crazy as *** Cheney. There is ONE overriding FACT though.. our PRESIDENT is a BALD FACED LIAR!! EVERY DAMNED REASON this low life has given for the War in Iraq has constantly and consistently been changed. We FREED these people, they get ARMS from the people next door and use them ON US? Now one of you fascist please tell me why we're still there? WE give our young up to FREE people who take up ARMs against us? This isn't worth ONE more American's life, NOT ONE MORE!!

[lars008-2009]

so many stupid silly little fascist nazi islamic muslims pretending to be liberal americans.......... right haji.... hahahahahahaha

[lars008-2009]

NUKE MECCA OPTION
http://www.ourmedia.org/node/129759

Chirac threatens nuke terror for terrorism
http://www.indymedia.ie/article/73926

Chirac: Nuclear Response to Terrorism Is Possible
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/01/19/AR2006011903311.html?nav=hcmodule

[bluestardad]

skyk; hey the arms they are getting from Iran America sold Iran too! look Iran has Cobra Hellicopters and F14 jets too!

[bluestardad]

Contact your senator; The middle East is not in American Interest, we have invested 50 years of blood, money enough is enough! Saudia Arabia, Israel the lot of them, their neocons got us in this mess!
firststatehttp://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm

[kphx]

Our defense industry will sell all the weapons they make, to anybody and any country (including Iran). It is what their business is. The more war there is, the more profitable their business. Only King George's subjects don't get it.

[skyk-2009]

For 6 long years I have sat here and said surely George Bush isn't THAT stupid... I've sat here and said surely he won't fall for that. EVERY time he has surprised. You NEVER and I do mean NEVER let someone prod you into a war... When you are as Incompetent as Bush and so easy to read as Bush it almost seems unfair. I know it's rough but sooner or later we must face it. When it comes to "winning hearts and minds" we are getting a whippin the likes of which this world has NEVER seen. Since the MAIN weapon of Terrorist is HATE and since Bush plays right into the hands of those who want others to HATE us... he's just getting his pants kicked off. In the future beside the word LOSER in the dictionary they will have a picture of George Bush.

[skyk-2009]

so many stupid silly little fascist nazi islamic muslims pretending to be liberal americans.......... right haji.... hahahahahahaha
Posted by lars008 at 12:59 PM : Feb 09, 2007
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I love how you fascist are always telling us how brave you are. Course you, unlike me, have never taken up an arm and walked into battle. How do I know? Because anyone who has heard the scream of another American at his side would NEVER attack his neighbor and fellow citizen for not supporting someone SO incompetent and such a LIAR as George Bush. You sir deserve what you are getting... by the way ALL the war's we have won? Liberal's won them! All the rights you have? Liberals created them. But hey American you have to HATE Liberals!! ROFLMAO I've got a dog smarter than you Sparky! Combat Vet, USMC, Chu Lai, RVN, 1968

[lars008-2009]

the resumption of hostilities was inevitable since iraq broke the ceasefire agreement.....

[bluestardad]

Contact your senator; The middle East is not in American Interest, we have invested 50 years of blood, money enough is enough! Saudia Arabia, Israel the lot of them, their neocons got us in this mess!
firststatehttp://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm

[lars008-2009]

that is why we do not need or want a draft..... we do not need a bunch of liberals nancying around getting in the way of getting the job done....... all they do is help the enemy..... just like hanoi jane kerry......