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February 11, 2009 5:22 PM

Bar Assn., NRA Battle Over Guns In Cars

(AP)  Employee parking lots have become an unlikely focus in the fight over gun rights.

The nation's largest lawyers group is taking on the biggest gun rights organization over employers' rights to bar workers from leaving guns in their cars while on the job.

The American Bar Association says the issue is workplace violence and how to reduce it.

The ABA, meeting in Miami, is expected to go on record early next week supporting the right of employers "to exclude from the workplace and other private property, persons in possession of firearms or other weapons."

Roughly 1,000 people are killed at work each year and guns are used in 80 percent of those incidents, the ABA says, citing federal estimates.

The National Rifle Association says the question is whether employees can protect themselves on their drive home.

The NRA has embarked on a state-by-state campaign to get legislatures to enact laws that require employers to allow their workers to bring guns on company parking lots.

"When you get off work at 12 o'clock or 1 o'clock and you're driving home, you have the right to protect yourself if you're accosted on the highway," said Wayne LaPierre, the NRA's executive vice president.

The issue has its roots in two unrelated episodes, the firing of employees in Oklahoma and a shooting rampage in Mississippi.

In 2002, forest products giant Weyerhauser Corp. fired eight employees after guns were found in their cars on company lots. Federal courts have upheld the firings.

In response, the Oklahoma Legislature passed a law that would prevent business owners from prohibiting guns inside locked vehicles on company property.

Houston-based ConocoPhillips Inc., which employs more than 3,000 people in Oklahoma, filed a federal lawsuit in an effort to block the law. The issue is pending in the courts.

The NRA, meanwhile, began a boycott of the energy company's Conoco and Phillips 66 products and stepped up efforts to get other states to adopt laws similar to Oklahoma's.

After the Weyerhauser firings, but before the Oklahoma law was enacted, a workplace shooting case occurred that gun-control advocates and businesses point to as a clear example of why guns should be kept far from the factory or office.

In July 2003, Lockheed Martin employee Doug Williams abruptly left a training session at the company's Meridian, Miss., plant and retrieved a shotgun and semiautomatic rifle from his truck in the employee parking lot.

He opened fire on employees, killing six and wounding eight.

Afterward, authorities retrieved three more guns from his truck.

"Unfortunately, this is an all-too-common event," said Brian Siebel, senior attorney at the Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence. "A gun is available in the parking lot for an employee who may be unstable and who reaches a snapping point. This should be a no-brainer."

But LaPierre said that people in 38 states can legally carry guns in their cars. Federal law permits people to transport guns between states for hunting and other purposes, he said.

If company restrictions were applied broadly, gun owners' rights would be unlawfully limited, LaPierre said.

"In effect, you're nullifying the right to carry," he said. "People could drive on their highways with the guns, but they couldn't stop anywhere."

Alaska, Kentucky, Minnesota and Mississippi all have adopted laws that limit employers from barring guns to varying extents.

But the NRA lost legislative battles in several states last year, including Florida and Georgia among states traditionally friendly to gun rights. In those states, business groups mounted unexpectedly strong opposition to the proposals.

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by mw6267 February 12, 2007 10:20 PM EST
OlGreyGhost-
Oh, I see every day how corporations can do whatever they want on their property. I see them losing lawsuits concerning race discrimination, age discrimination, and other wrongful terminations to boot. I think the first time they fired someone over what car they drove, the headlines and suits filed the next day would quickly reverse that 'mistaken' decision.

When the first wrongful termination lawsuit is lost (by a major corporation) concerning lawful transportation of firearms, I think you will see these ridiculous policies dropped.

Please remember, all the big cities were suing gun manufacturers until legislation was passed. Common sense will prevail.

Agnim-
If you and all the other gay-rights advocates, pro-abortionists, and career welfare recipients do not appreciate gun ownership by your fellow countrymen, MOVE TO ANOTHER COUNTRY!! Please be aware though, alot of your perverted actions in other countries could get you stoned to death.

Maybe France would have you.

And please......never underestimate your insignificance in my life.

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by bhappy2-2 February 12, 2007 10:01 PM EST
Agnim- If it is in my vehicle, it IS on my property. Just because I drive my vehicle to work does NOT make it their property.
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by gunownerdan February 12, 2007 7:33 PM EST
Amendment II
A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

Amendment IV
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

BRING BACK THE BILL OF RIGHTS!
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by bigwhtpony February 12, 2007 1:11 PM EST
The ABA - another left wing operation like the ACLU. They won't be happy until the US beccomes the USSR Part 2.

Go after the law abiding citizen instead of the criminal. It's easier and they hardly put up a fight.
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by bluestardad February 12, 2007 10:03 AM EST
This is the contact address for your Senator! Send them a message of your opinion. All Class Two Senators are up for Reelection in 2008. firststatehttp://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm
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by darkfyreaol February 12, 2007 9:03 AM EST
Company parking lots, eh. Dunno. I can understand banning firearms from company VEHICLES.

However, last I checked, the owner's vehicle was his or her personal property. I'm sure there are laws preventing searches of vehicles and seizure of firearms within, without a court-granted warrant to do so, OR probable cause.

If companies required employees to sign consent forms, I'm sure something could be arranged..Such as allowing registered firearms only, and establishing a reason with the company in question for storing a firearm inside a vehicle that's parked in the company's parking lot.

'Just for the record, why do you have a loaded gun inside your car, sir?'

I don't find -that- unreasonable.
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by hsmagst February 12, 2007 3:57 AM EST
Make no mistake, it really is just a liability issue to the businesses.....they don't want the hassle. But it doesn't go across the board for most businesses....if you park on their property, they are not liable for theft from or of the vehicle, they really can't search your vehicle without your permission but they can and will tie permission to your continued employment...if they want to. I was a manager for a large aerospace corp and had an employee pull a gun on me off property. The next day, the company searched the employees car and found the gun. The union bargained and kept the employees job so I was forced to threaten to bring suit to get the employee removed.
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by olgreyghost February 11, 2007 11:37 PM EST
Employers CAN ban any vehicle (Chevy, Ford, Dodge, etc.) they want from their property and it's perfectly legal. And the 2nd and 5th Amendments only apply to the actions of benevolent government officials and not to the actions of private citizens on their private property.

Most employers don't give a rodent's posterior when it comes to the safety of their employees. What they worry about is liability lawsuits over employee deaths that are associated with the business. Convince the employers that they will be sued by employees, or their survivors, who are victims of crimes they could have prevented if the employees were armed as local law allows and see how that works. Since less than 10% of population lawfully carries, they will go with the better odds.

Remember, the power a person gives government to use force against others, is the power the government will use against that person one day. If you have the government force these employers to let the employees carry, then you authorize the government to tell you what to do on your own property and that could be to not "keep and bear" guns anymore.
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by agnim February 11, 2007 7:11 PM EST
"Bar Assn., NRA Battle Over Guns In Cars"

Get the GUN NUTS by ANY means necessary.
Let the gun nuts store the guns on THEIR properties!
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by mw6267 February 11, 2007 3:36 PM EST
I am sorry, but I do not buy the 'private property' argument. What if employers decide they want only Chevrolets parked in their lots? It is their property, they should have that right.....right? Employers should not allow any unopened liquor containers in employees' cars because they could then drink it and kill someone, driving drunk. Sounds logical as far as safety, doesn't it?

Transporting cased, unloaded guns in a vehicle is LEGAL in this country. Get over it.

Never buy into the loss of Liberty for the sake of safety.

That is the very stance the extreme-left anti-firearm zealots are taking.
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