February 11, 2009 5:23 PM

Pentagon Underreporting War Injuries?

(AP)  Veterans groups and Democratic Sen. Barack Obama say U.S. government officials are obscuring the actual number of wounded in the Iraq and Afghanistan wars by leaving out of some public documents troops who suffer non-combat injuries.

From the Pentagon Web site to press materials handed out at the opening of an amputee center in Texas last week, the number of wounded in the wars often circulated publicly is around 23,000.

That number only accounts for those wounded in combat. When troops from those wars who were wounded in other ways are counted, the number more than doubles, to about 53,000.

That latter number is not heavily circulated by the Pentagon. Recently, a Defense Department official publicly criticized a researcher who used it and pressured another government agency to change a public document to report the smaller number.

Obama, a presidential hopeful, wants the government to be more straightforward in reporting on the wounded. He has introduced legislation with Republican Sen. Olympia Snowe to require the Veterans Affairs Department and the Defense Department to "start keeping honest figures on our troops and the potential future costs of the war."

"This is a clear pattern by VA and DOD to conceal the escalating human and financial costs of the two wars from Congress, the press and the public," said Paul Sullivan, veterans advocacy director with Veterans for America.

Non-battle wounds can range from injuries in vehicle accidents to illnesses. Some are sports injuries that need care outside the war zone. Many of the wounded return to duty.

"It doesn't make a difference whether you were hit by enemy fire, or injured because your vehicle crashed, or got sick because of serving in a war zone," Obama said in a statement. "The effects on the soldiers and their families are the same. And the impact in terms of the current fighting force and future demands on the VA are also the same."

Some non-battle wounds can be just as disabling as those inflicted in combat. Dave Autry, deputy national director of communications for Disabled American Veterans, told the story of a soldier riding in the back of a truck when it went off a bridge and into an Iraqi canal.

This soldier, who suffered crushed legs and an injured spine, is not among those listed in the Pentagon's more widely circulated tally, Autry said.

The Pentagon updates its casualty totals for the Iraq and Afghanistan wars daily at www.defenselink.mil.

Clicking on "press resources" or "casualties" on the home page leads to a chart that lists the dead and wounded from combat totals but not totals for the non-battle wounded.

A separate, harder-to-find Pentagon Web site that listed casualties by type for each war had all the wounded. Last week, the number of non-combat wounded was dropped from the chart, produced by the department's Statistical Information and Analysis Division.

Since November, the VA had been reporting about 50,000 wounded from the wars on a Web site fact sheet for media. It changed that number last month to about 21,000 after hearing from the Pentagon, VA spokesman Matt Burns said.

Burns said only combat wounded are supposed to be in the tally.

President George W. Bush's proposed budget increased funding for veterans' medical care from $29.3 billion to $34.2 billion. It anticipated VA providing medical care to nearly 263,000 Iraq and Afghanistan veterans in 2008.

All Iraq and Afghanistan veterans are guaranteed two years of health care at VA when they return from the war. Those with injuries connected to their service get health care treatment beyond the two years.

Also, all Iraq and Afghanistan veterans injured while serving in the wars are eligible for monthly disability payments, regardless of whether they were injured in combat. The amount of the payments is based on the level of disability.

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by newsjeff-2009 February 8, 2007 7:31 AM EST
One of these days people will stop expecting the GOP party and Bush and Cheney to be truthful about everything. The GOP party won't even admitt that despite the funny remarks made by republicans directed to Kerry and Clinton and Kennedy, that these three democrat senators are senators in Massachucetts and New York, these two states have a divorce rate that is much lower than the national average. The GOP party has claimed that they support tradional marriage and family values, yet the top 10 states with the highest divorce rates are southern,republican,bible-belt Bush voting states. So you see this Iraq War casualty report is not just the first thing that the GOP party,Bush,Cheney have stretched the truth on, it just one of the several things that Bush and his GOP friends have lied or mislead Americans about.
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by newsjeff-2009 February 8, 2007 3:06 AM EST
The Iraq War and the CIA Leak, Scooter Libby trial have a few things in common: Both involve Richard Cheney and George Bush and these two men have stretched the truth about both incidents. The Iraq War has not gone as well as Bush and Cheney predicted, and the Scooter Libby CIA Leak trial is not going the way Cheney predicted it would. Now the Bush Administration wants to change Social Security,Medicare,Medicaid,and encourage more people to just buy their own health care insurance, but don't even expect your employer to provide health or medical benefits, the real truth is Bush,Cheney and the GOP party want to cut and phase out Social Security,Medicare,Medicaid,etc., but they know better than to own up to it, since another big election is coming up in 2008!!
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by clemenhagen1 February 8, 2007 12:48 AM EST
FirstState and FrankBowers: Kudos to you both. Though you cite different examples, you clearly demonstrate the one common denominator of this administration: pathological lies.

A. "Next smoking gun a mushroom cloud." "Sixteen words in State of the Union Address." "We know where the weapons are...(Rumsfeld)."

B. Daring rescue of Jessica Lynch in reality a staged photo op. Bravo landing of Captain Codpiece on the carrier in front of Mission Accomplished also a staged photo op with troops serving as ever-ready props. The lies and cover-up of Pat Tillman's death.

C. The budget distortions. The propaganda efforts from Jeff Gannon to Armstrong Williams. Forged documents that miraculously end up in Dan Rather's hands, only to be exposed the instant he uses them. Similar forged documents used in Niger - Yellowcake Uranium scam. Interesting.

One endless stream of lies. Cynical, pathological, and criminal. From Tony Snow-job to Neo-con Artist Talking Heads to Faux News it all spins just the same.
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by firststate February 8, 2007 12:43 AM EST
The extra money for the VA is probably going to one of dumbya's favorite contractors. The way this administration treats our veterans is beyond disgraceful. The following is an excerpt from a Minnesota newspaper's Jan 27, 2007 article about a marine, Jonathan Schulze's time at home after his service in Iraq. The article can be found at:

http://www.startribune.com/462/story/963363.html

"Two weeks ago, Schulze went to the VA hospital in St. Cloud. He told a staff member he was thinking of killing himself, and asked to be admitted to the mental health unit, said his father and stepmother, who accompanied him. They said he was told he couldn't be admitted that day. The next day, as he spoke to a counselor in St. Cloud by phone, he was told he was No. 26 on the waiting list, his parents said.

Four days later, Schulze, 25, committed suicide in his New Prague home."

Anyone who is aware of this tragedy and doesn't contact their member of congress and senators has no right to say they support our troops. You can submit your comments at www.house.gov and www.senate.gov to your senators and congressman/woman. You should really Support Our Troops not just say it. 1% of Iraq's cost could provide over $4 million/day for veteran's health care. A couple of tons of "Good Job Bremer"'s misplaced cash could help, too.
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by firststate February 7, 2007 11:52 PM EST
The injury reports are like the number of troops in the shrub surge, both indicative of this administration's manipulation of truth. They convince listeners that a very specifically limited version of the truth indicates a broader generalization that is NOT true. They're really adept at lying through their teeth by telling tiny snippets of truth.

The surge was going to be 21,500 more troops, but it casually became combat troops. The total will likely be 35,000-48,000, including support troops. When the support troops get to Iraq, nothing can stop the commander-incompetent from reassigning them to combat roles requiring still more support troops.

The injury numbers result from the same philosophy. If the overall truth is unflattering to the administration, they redefine or limit terms so that they indicate a general condition that is untrue by telling little bits of the truth. They lie through omission and near-surgical precision.

You've got to examine each word's definition in its context and what exclusions it may indicate. This administration's statements can't be accepted at face value. They're like used car salesman or con men. They use verbal misdirection the same way a magician uses visual misdirection to conceal what's really happening.
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by frankbowers February 7, 2007 10:02 PM EST
He gw bush states he is going to increase the VA Funds by 4 billion but what he fails to tell is the money will be paid by the veterans them self by the increase in the Rx cost as well as increasing the co pay by veterans and the extra funds collected will be transfered to general funds. Why is this not mentioned. This man is aq disgrace to the nation and the military which he deserted there in Houston in 72. Look how he has now reduced the injuried count of this war of his. HE IS A DISGRACE.
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by lars008-2009 February 7, 2007 8:00 PM EST
fascist nazi islamic muslims are nothing but crooks and liars and this is just another example.

How do fascist nazi islamic muslims sleep at night knowing how many lives they have destroyed ?

They have no soul, no heart. They are sociopaths one and all. It's a form of mental illness to support this type of madness. They're as sick as the people they support who have brought this disease on the world. There can be no other explanation for believing in "leaders" who are this evil.

let the eradication begin......

Ali Sina, an ex-Muslim from Iran. He is the creator of Faithfreedom.org.
Yet I know that by eradicating Islam we can save the world from the dangers of a catastrophe that otherwise is looming over our heads and could cause more disaster than the 1st and 2nd World Wars combined. Eradication of Islam means restoring peace among humanity and civility, democracy and prosperity in the Muslim world.
http://www.faithfreedom.org/Articles/sina/why_i_left_islam.htm
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by randalds February 7, 2007 6:36 PM EST
How do Republicans sleep at night knowing how many lives they have destroyed ?

Posted by tejasdemo at 03:31 PM : Feb 07, 2007

They have no soul, no heart. They are sociopaths one and all. It's a form of mental illness to support this type of madness. They're as sick as the people they support who have brought this disease on the world. There can be no other explanation for believing in "leaders" who are this evil.
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by tejasdemo February 7, 2007 6:33 PM EST
And to all the Republican wussies out there who toss out casulty numbers like we are playing a flippin bingo game I say.....

This war and the illegal, immoral means used to start it have not been worth 1 life. Not one !
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by tejasdemo February 7, 2007 6:31 PM EST
Republicans are nothing but crooks and liars and this is just another example.

How do Republicans sleep at night knowing how many lives they have destroyed ?
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