WASHINGTON, D.C., Feb. 4, 2007

States Buck Fed Plan For National ID

Citing Privacy Concerns, $11B Cost, A Dozen States Oppose Real ID Law; Congress May Repeal

  • One goal of Real ID is to unify states' disparate licensing rules and make it harder to fraudulently obtain a card. But Real ID will also be required for other purposes — for example, airport screeners won't let you board a plane without one. Photo

    One goal of Real ID is to unify states' disparate licensing rules and make it harder to fraudulently obtain a card. But Real ID will also be required for other purposes — for example, airport screeners won't let you board a plane without one.  (CBS)

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(CBS/AP)  A revolt against a national driver's license, begun in Maine last month, is quickly spreading to other states.

The Maine Legislature on Jan. 26 overwhelmingly passed a resolution objecting to the Real ID Act of 2005. The federal law sets a national standard for driver's licenses and requires states to link their record-keeping systems to national databases.

Within a week of Maine's action, lawmakers in Georgia, Wyoming, Montana, New Mexico, Vermont and Washington state also balked at Real ID. They are expected soon to pass laws or adopt resolutions declining to participate in the federal identification network.

"It's the whole privacy thing," said Matt Sundeen, a transportation analyst for the National Conference of State Legislatures. "A lot of legislators are concerned about privacy issues and the cost. It's an estimated $11 billion implementation cost."

The law's supporters say it is needed to prevent terrorists and illegal immigrants from getting fake identification cards.

States will have to comply by May 2008. If they do not, driver's licenses that fall short of Real ID's standards cannot be used to board an airplane or enter a federal building or open some bank accounts.

The law was introduced as a rider to a military spending bill in 2005 by Rep. Jim Sensenbrenner (R-Wisc.).

About a dozen states have active legislation against Real ID, including Arizona, Georgia, Hawaii, Massachusetts, Missouri, New Hampshire, Oklahoma, Utah and Wyoming.

Missouri state Rep. James Guest, a Republican, formed a coalition of lawmakers from 34 states to file bills that oppose or protest Real ID.

"This is almost a frontal assault on the freedoms of America when they require us to carry a national ID to monitor where we are," Guest said in an interview Saturday. "That's going too far."

Guest introduced a resolution last week opposing Real ID and said he expects it quickly to pass the Legislature. "This does nothing to stop terrorism," he said. "Don't burden the American people with this requirement to carry this ID."

Though most states oppose the law, some such as Indiana and Maryland are looking to comply with Real ID, Sundeen said.

The issue may be moot for states if Congress takes action.

Republican Sen. John Sununu of New Hampshire, along with Democratic Sen. Daniel Akaka of Hawaii, filed a bill last year to repeal the law. Sununu expects similar legislation will be introduced soon.

"The federal government should not be in charge of defining and issuing drivers' licenses," Sununu said in a statement.

Privacy advocates say a national driver's license will promote identity theft.

Barry Steinhardt, a lawyer with the American Civil Liberties Union, said the Real ID ordered by Congress would require a digital photo and probably a fingerprint on each driver's license or state-issued ID card. That, he said, will make it more valuable to identity thieves because the ID card will be accepted as much more than a driving credential.

"It's going to be a honey pot out there that's going to be irresistible to identity thieves," Steinhardt said.

An identity thief, he said, could buy a Real ID from a rogue motor vehicle department employee with is own photo and fingerprint on it.

"The victim is never going to be able to undo this," Steinhardt said.

Other criticisms include:

  • Some states will have to invest millions in new computer systems that can communicate with federal databases. That is something they probably will not accomplish by the deadline.

  • It will be difficult to comply with the requirement that license applicants prove they are in the country legally. There are more than 100 different immigration statutes, Steinhardt said, which will pose problems for motor vehicle clerks unfamiliar with immigration law.

  • It does not solve the problem of terrorism. Oklahoma City bomber Timothy McVeigh and some of the hijackers from the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, had legitimate driver's licenses.

  • Even the requirement that applicants' full legal names appear on licenses will pose problems because some states limit the number of characters on the face of the card.

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    by randalds February 4, 2007 1:47 PM PST
    A national ID card is the worst, most invasive idea to come out of the neocon wing of the republican party since warrant-less spying on Americans! It's one short step from this to requiring GPS activated ones so the government can see where everyone is 24-7! NO now and NO forever! NEVER!
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    by randalds February 4, 2007 1:49 PM PST
    Of course we could always just go ahead a revive the Gestapo and put them on every step demanding to see your "papers" like in Nazi Germany! That'd make that filthy Nazi want-to-be Cheney feel right at home!
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    by walt1944-2009 February 4, 2007 2:05 PM PST
    A national ID card gives me the shivers. It reminds me of the Nazis in Germany demanding to see your papers, and the KGB in the old Soviet Union. Pretty soon we are going to have "check points" on every street and highway in this country with police wanting to see your papers. Remember, George Bush and his "buddies" have 2 years to go (maybe) so they can really do a lot of damage in those 2 years.
    I often wonder what our veterans of WWII, the Korean and Vietnam wars, who fought to preserve our freedom and democracy, are thinking about how things are heading now?!
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    by reel-crazy February 4, 2007 2:10 PM PST
    Stop and think of just how many of Georgie's (and Daddy's) pet projects have whittled away at the rights of Americans already... we will all have our foreheads barcoded with our social security numbers someday after another whizbang government study shows that this national ID didn't work out like expected once it gets rammed down our throats... I wonder if we will be allowed to opt for our own designer barcode colors?
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    by jimfinster February 4, 2007 2:28 PM PST
    Considering the behavior of our govt during the last 6 years, how can we possibly trust them on this issue. No thanks!
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    by randalds February 4, 2007 2:43 PM PST
    I often wonder what our veterans of WWII, the Korean and Vietnam wars, who fought to preserve our freedom and democracy, are thinking about how things are heading now?!
    Posted by walt1944 at 02:05 PM : Feb 04, 2007

    As a Vietnam vet this is NOT what any vet, even the ones being wasted in vain in Iraq, had in mind when we joined.
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    by randalds February 4, 2007 2:45 PM PST
    I wonder if we will be allowed to opt for our own designer barcode colors?
    Posted by Reel-Crazy at 02:10 PM : Feb 04, 2007

    Bar-codes hell! They'll probably tattoo us like their idols the Nazi's did to the Jews. Sit down and roll up your sleeve for your own personal number on your forearm.
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    by bellal-2009 February 4, 2007 2:51 PM PST
    Passports are proof of citizenship why the need for US drivers license.
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    by emhawks February 4, 2007 2:59 PM PST
    OUTRAGEOUS! Another open assault on our individual freedoms. Is there no end to this madness? Bush & Cheney should have been hung with Saddam Hussein.
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    by bellal-2009 February 4, 2007 3:15 PM PST
    Perhaps linking all the states computers is going a bit to far.Posted by vbnvbn at 02:59 PM : Feb 04, 2007

    I don't think that's going too far, it'll happen eventually out of necessity. Maybe we should break up into provinces like Canada.
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    by t_barr February 4, 2007 3:22 PM PST
    States Buck Fed Plan For National ID

    It's good to see that a few states are waking-up to this, "This is almost a frontal assault on the freedoms of America when they require us to carry a national ID to monitor where we are." Now if they would just work to repeal the UnPatriot Acts, the NAFTA Super Highway BS, the North American Union treason, and the Open Borders by 2010 insanity. I mean, why, if you're waging a war on Terror, would you open the Borders?
    http://www.jbs.org/nau

    Then there's this little jewel;
    http://infowars.net/articles/february2007/010207Yoo.htm
    Anyone that still approves of Bush after becoming aware of this approved atrocity doesn't deserve to be walking the streets of America, much less holding a Public Office.

    Stop the insanity, Impeach TODAY!

    Ron Paul '08
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    by candojj1 February 4, 2007 3:23 PM PST
    $11 billion is how much is wasted on the ineffective DEA. The energy dept budget is $1 billion. Social Security and Medicare are in the budget and are supposed to be outside the budget and not pilfered. We hear bu*ll cr*ap about how SS is going broke. Of course it is. Every part of the budget is stealing from it. In 2007 the budget was $400 billion in the red. How can he spend more when the purse has been mismanaged and is more than empty?
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    by ajmystic February 4, 2007 3:35 PM PST
    This country was founded to give people INDIVIDUAL freedom. We all should have the freedom to not have the government in our faces 24/7. With a national ID, the government is there whether we want them or not. Now that we have to have a passport to get back in to our own country from Canada or Mexico, most people will have one. Why isn't a passport good enough for identification? Sure, some people who do not travel will not have a passport, but if those people have a state driver's license or ID card, that should be enough to identify that person. No more Big Brother interference, please.
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    by laneff February 4, 2007 3:47 PM PST
    I admit, I agree to the idea that a national identification card causes the shivers, and echoes ghosts of horrors past, such as the ones suffered by the Jews during Nazi control over much of Europe. The control of the Soviets in the USSR and their socialist regime, other dictatorships, like Cuba and so on. Do I want to forfeit honesty, freedom of expression and movement and other freedoms afforded through the Constistution? Heck no!

    A national identification card does three things against the Constitution, it labels us as property, which is against the 13th Amendment, it removes our inalienable rights, including the freedoms of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. You cannot have your privacy, your freedom to pursue life as you appreciate it, if you've got the US government watching your every move.

    I have enough problems with the wiretap procedures that are going on regardless of our protests. But what they propose here is just putting us on the equivalent of a continent wide prison system. Tracking every one of us as though we were felons on monitoring devices. Thank you, unlike ten to fifteen percent of this country's population, I obey the laws, the ordinances and more to the best of my ability. This identity card implies that all of those in America are untrustworthy. I'm sorry, that's taking government bodies and their controls just too far.
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    by sharncedar February 4, 2007 3:48 PM PST
    you people are too silly. you already have a federal id, it is your credit rating and its controlled by unaccountable corporations and consists of inaccuracies you cannot challenge or change. every time you try to open a bank account, or rent an apartment, or get a job, these private data corporations are indentifying you and you have no recourse to ensure the data is accurate ro fair.

    a national ID card is a problem only to illegal aliens and to the corporations who currently provide such services. This lobby group is trying to scare people about a national ID. I would much rather have my ID controlled by the federal government, where I have the right to vote, than by the current system which is fraud and profit and allows illegal aliens to thrive with a wink.

    yall are being hoodwinked by the Hispanic lobby.
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    by michellem99-2009 February 4, 2007 3:55 PM PST
    I am not for this as I feel the same way as the state of Maine does on this issue. I say NO to a national ID card. I do oppose the Real ID Law. I feel that the congress needs to not pass this as I see it as a trap . We pay taxes for what? This
    is how the congress wants to blows the people's taxes/money on this as it is a step towards the Nazis of Hitler's day. That was before I was born. I was told all growing up how lucky I am to to live in this nation and that this IS the greatist nation in the world and the like. It is the rudeist. I feel that we have lost the freedoms that we once held so dear. It does saddens me. When will this madess stop and who will have pay the price of freedoms that G W Bush has taken from us. I am in my 50s so I DO feel that the govt can't be trusted nor Pres Bush. Thany
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    by randalds February 4, 2007 3:56 PM PST
    yall are being hoodwinked by the Hispanic lobby.

    Posted by SharnCedar at 03:48 PM : Feb 04, 2007

    And you've been had by the neocons. Sure you're not Cheney or Rove (the new Goering and Goebbels)?
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    by t_barr February 4, 2007 4:04 PM PST
    yall are being hoodwinked by the Hispanic lobby.
    Posted by SharnCedar

    Right. The John Birch Society, Alex Jones, etc. are the Hispanic lobby. The National ID is just another in a long list of attacks against our Freedoms and the Constitution. I say it's way past time WE shout, NO MORE!
    http://www.jbs.org/node/861

    Ron Paul '08
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    by susanhelit February 4, 2007 4:14 PM PST
    We do need a singular ID - I can't imagine how we've gotten so far without it, but we have huge problems due to this lack. From criminals undetected because they're in a different state, to deadbeat dads who cannot be caught, to the ease with which a criminal can forge a fake ID - this is a real, huge problem, even when we ignore the world of terrorism and illegal immigration.

    It's no more a privacy intrusion than your current state ID is - this will harm only criminals.
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    by randalds February 4, 2007 4:28 PM PST
    It's no more a privacy intrusion than your current state ID is - this will harm only criminals.
    Posted by SusanHelit at 04:14 PM : Feb 04, 2007

    The goal of a national ID card is not to correct these problems. It is so the government knows where everyone of it's people is 24-7 and that is none of their DAM*NED business! That's the privacy violation! Yes we do have other problems and turning the US into a fascist state will certainly solve some of them, but the price is way way way too high!
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    by feelfree1 February 4, 2007 4:30 PM PST
    Re: "Citing Privacy Concerns, $11B Cost, A Dozen States Oppose Real ID Law; Congress May Repeal"

    Good. Our representatives had better stand up on their hind legs, on this issue.
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    by dhague February 4, 2007 4:39 PM PST
    We already have a perfectly good national identification document: a US passport. Requiring each state to produce something similar is ridiculous.

    It is simply unrealistic, for example, to expect state drivers' license offices to be experts on immigration laws.

    If the Federal government wants something, they they should appropriate the money and pass the laws to make it happen. Unfunded Congressional mandates rank right up there with the sort of Congressional blackmail that brought us the 55mph speed limit and the highest drinking age on the planet as attacks on the federalist principles enshrined in the US Constitution.
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    by hermit22 February 4, 2007 5:00 PM PST
    The BIBLE says, in the end times, people will not be able to buy or sell without "the mark of the beast". Are we getting close?
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    by mike19955 February 4, 2007 5:12 PM PST
    Real ID was needed years ago. This is one nation, America, we need one drivers license system and one legitimate ID card system. There should be no real cost to the government to implement this system. The cost of the system is passed on to the users of the system. When a person gets their orignal drivers license the fees are assessed, and when renewal time comes the fees for the system are again assessed. Same for ID only card users, fees are assessed the user at the time of issue and again at renewal. One country,one citizen, and one ID card. Not 50 various ID cards
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    by inventagod February 4, 2007 5:35 PM PST
    You have already been implanted during your last flu shot. You are being tracked right now. You signed the paperwork at your last doctor's appointment. What, you didn't read what you signed?
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    by olgreyghost February 4, 2007 5:56 PM PST
    We already have a National ID that is used to track criminals, deadbeat dads, and deserters - and it has a 9 digit number on it. We don't need another that all criminals - common and agents of Big Brother - can use to their unlawful profit and our detriment.

    Praise the Lord for Maine - now if I can get few of our benevolent guv'mint officials here in The Republic to hitch our horses to this wagon...
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    by jolsonbear February 4, 2007 6:43 PM PST
    I could care less if the government knows where I am--they already do---and a national ID isn't going to change that---utility companies have provided that service to the gov for decades. And as far as Identity theft is concerned---not a treat at all. Just get a few credit cards, run up to the limit and never pay. that way your credit score is always low---then simply live off cash and save the rest. It can be done if you don't squall your tires to get to mickey D's as fast as you can every time your little brats whine. I'd love to see someone steal my ID---you couldn't get a 10-year-old to loan you 2 quarters for a candy bar.
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    by middleman8 February 4, 2007 6:52 PM PST
    You had better get over and ask the Russians
    to save everyone, they whipped the Nazi dictator.
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    by randalds February 4, 2007 7:18 PM PST
    The BIBLE says, in the end times, people will not be able to buy or sell without "the mark of the beast". Are we getting close?
    Posted by Hermit22 at 05:00 PM : Feb 04, 2007


    That would make the beast George W. Bush. Sounds about right.
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    by randalds February 4, 2007 7:23 PM PST
    It sickens me to see anyone so willing to give up the freedoms our forefathers fought and died for so carelessly. Most Americans these days have given up the right to call themselves so out of their own fear and cowardice. The thumping sound you hear in the background is every soldier and person who died to give you the freedoms and privacy you pis*s away so quickly spinning in their graves. I have never been more ashamed of the cowardice of the American people as today. Americans today surrender to their own government so quickly that we should never have fought WWII as we're already living in what would have been the result anyway. The greatest generation died for nothing because they cam home and their grandchildren turned out to be gutless cowards.
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    by arashigarou February 4, 2007 8:04 PM PST
    "One country,one citizen, and one ID card."

    Posted by mike19955 at 05:12 PM : Feb 04, 2007


    Now, why does that sound so familiar? Oh, yeah:

    "Ein Volk, ein Reich, ein F|hrer!" -- Adolph Hitler
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    by bellal-2009 February 4, 2007 8:56 PM PST
    you people are too silly. you already have a federal id, it is your credit rating and its controlled by unaccountable corporations and consists of inaccuracies you cannot challenge or change. every time you try to open a bank account, or rent an apartment, or get a job, these private data corporations are indentifying you and you have no recourse to ensure the data is accurate ro fair.Posted by SharnCedar at 03:48 PM : Feb 04, 2007

    I agree with you, SharnCedar, it's time we use govt. to protect us from corporate exploitation which is out of control. The IRS and census bureau already knows everything about us.

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    by fascistusa February 4, 2007 8:58 PM PST
    GOOD!!!

    THIS IS FASCISM. SCREW OUR GOVERNMENT.

    THERE'S ALWAYS SOME STUPID FEAR USED TO TAKE OUR RIGHTS AWAY.


    1984 Orwell. It's already HERE.
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    by t_barr February 4, 2007 9:01 PM PST
    ...not having it only protects criminals...
    Posted by antoniorego

    This is nonsense. Not to mention the fact that a National ID is UNCONSTITUTIONAL. The only thing this will accomplish is to severely invade our privacy even further, enlarge the already too restrictive Federal Gov, and cost Billions. Read the Constitution about the separation between States and the Federal Gov. The Constitution was constructed to prevent an all empowering Fed. Absolute Power Corrupts Absolutely. Our Fore Fathers knew that because it's been the same throughout history. Try studying a little History.
    "One overriding point has been forgotten, Criminals don't obey laws! As with gun control, national ID cards will only affect law-abiding citizens. Do we really believe a terrorist bent on murder is going to dutifully obtain a federal ID card? Do we believe that people who openly flout our immigration laws will nonetheless respect our ID requirements? Any ID card can be forged, any federal agency or state DMV is susceptible to corruption. Criminals can and will obtain national ID cards, or operate without them. National ID cards will be used to track the law-abiding masses, not criminals."
    http://www.house.gov/paul/tst/tst2005/tst050905.htm

    Ron Paul '08
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    by macmcf February 4, 2007 9:05 PM PST
    What garbage is posted above! Note that while almost everyone decries the loss of freedom attendant upon a national ID, no one suggests how the ID would bring that loss of freedom about.
    The original yellow article accuses the Real ID of failing to solve the terrorism problem, on the grounds that almost anyone, including a legitimate US citizen could be a terrorist. True, if interesting. Fact is, most terrorist who threaten us are not.
    It also echoes claims that it could make the ID theft problem more difficult to solve if corrupt officials issue IDs with the photos and prints of criminals. Of course, no scheme that involves humans is proof against corruption, but it sure beats our current system in which dozens of copies of a person's SS number with different state DL's are often circulating, since each Real ID must be registered with the federal computers.
    As for the cost and difficulty to the states, boo-hoo: Get over it. We need this badly.
    And if you hate G. W., feel free to do so: I'm no fan of his myself. But that doesn't mean that everything that his administration proposes bears the mark of the devil!
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    by t_barr February 4, 2007 9:13 PM PST
    We need this badly.
    Posted by maccmcf

    Please elaborate on why we need this badly.
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    by mikee322 February 4, 2007 10:04 PM PST
    This is probably a dumb question.. but if Passport requirements are changing to the point where just about everyone will have to have one,then why do we need another National ID ?
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    by bellal-2009 February 4, 2007 10:34 PM PST
    THERE'S ALWAYS SOME STUPID FEAR USED TO TAKE OUR RIGHTS AWAY.


    1984 Orwell. It's already HERE.
    Posted by fascistusa at 08:58 PM : Feb 04, 2007


    Our rights are being sacrificed now with identity theft, credit score discrimination, marketing scams, refi ripoffs, and insurance fraud. We have no rights left and you know what, it's the federal govt. that needs to save us from corporate exploitation.
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    by gunownerdan February 4, 2007 10:43 PM PST
    "Today, we need a nation of Minutemen, citizens who
    are not only prepared to take arms, but citizens who
    regard the preservation of freedom as the basic
    purpose of their daily life and who are willing to
    consciously work and sacrifice for that freedom."
    - President John F. Kennedy

    http://www.a-human-right.com/effective.html
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    by olgreyghost February 4, 2007 10:45 PM PST
    bellaL:

    You're asking the wolf to protect you from the shark and unless you can fly the wolf will get you first...
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    by olgreyghost February 4, 2007 10:49 PM PST
    "It is not the position of Government to grant us our Rights for they are given to us by our Creator and predate the very existence of Government. The proper role of Government is to protect those Rights. When it fails in that regard then it is time for a new Government or to have none at all."
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    by t_barr February 4, 2007 11:29 PM PST
    "Our country is too large to have all its affairs directed by a single government...The true theory of our Constitution is surely the wisest and best, that the States are independent as to everything within themselves, and united as to everything respecting foreign nations. Let the General Government be reduced to foreign concerns only... and our General Government may be reduced to a very simple organization, and a very inexpensive one; a few plain duties to be performed by a few servants.
    The way to have good and safe government, is not to trust it all to one, but to divide it among the many, distributing to every one exactly the functions he is competent to. Let the national government be entrusted with the defense of the nation, and its foreign and federal relations; the State governments with the civil rights, laws, police, and administration of what concerns the State generally; the counties with the local concerns of the counties, and each ward direct the interests within itself. It is by dividing and subdividing these republics from the great national one down through all its subordinations, until it ends in the administration of every man%u2019s farm by himself; by placing under every one what his own eye may superintend, that all will be done for the best. What has destroyed liberty and the rights of man in every government which has ever existed under the sun? The generalizing and concentrating all cares and powers into one body."

    --Thomas Jefferson
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    by bildooreilly February 5, 2007 12:40 AM PST
    Truth is they just want to bag you and tag you like a freakin farm animal.
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    by bildooreilly February 5, 2007 12:43 AM PST
    I just want to talk to you
    I won't uh, do you no harm
    I just want to know about your different lives
    On this here people farm
    I heard some of you got your families
    Living in cages tall and cold
    And some just stay there and dust away
    Past the age of old.
    Is this true ?
    Please let me talk to you.

    ~Jimi Hendrix
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    by bildooreilly February 5, 2007 12:44 AM PST
    If you thought the movie the matrix was bad, look into the real world a little.
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    by susanhelit February 5, 2007 1:36 AM PST
    This paranoid conspiracy fear - how many times do we have to hear it before we learn to look for facts, for reality before we get afraid?

    I've heard the same junk about the speed limit (first step to taking away our cars), social security, national healthcare (both were supposedly schemes to number us and violate privacy), heck, just about any governmental anything, we hear the same chorus. I'll be afraid when someone gives a real reason.
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    by randalds February 5, 2007 1:46 AM PST
    I'll be afraid when someone gives a real reason.
    Posted by SusanHelit at 01:36 AM : Feb 05, 2007

    Because this time it's being done by Bush and Cheney who have already said that the president doesn't have to obey the law. Bush has already "authorized" spying on Americans without a warrant, which is a crime he doesn't have the power to do, but proudly says he did it and would do it again. Just because we've given the government various powers over us doesn't mean we should hand them complete power as if they're farmer and we're just the cattle to be slaughtered. Esp these particular farmers.
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    by t_barr February 5, 2007 2:12 AM PST
    "I sincerely believe the banking institutions having the issuing power of money, are more dangerous to liberty than standing armies."
    ~ Thomas Jefferson

    "I am a most unhappy man. I have unwittingly ruined my country. A great industrial nation is now controlled by it's system of credit. We are no longer a government by free opinion, no longer a government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a government by the opinion and duress of a small group of dominant men."
    ~ Woodrow Wilson

    "It is well enough that people of the nation do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be a revolution before tomorrow morning."
    ~ Henry Ford

    "Military men are just dumb stupid animals, to be used as pawns in Foreign Policy."
    ~ Henry Kissinger

    "If the American people knew what we had done, they would chase us down the street with pitchforks..."
    ~ George H.W. Bush

    "The Constitution is just a ******* piece of paper."
    ~ George W. Bush Nov 2005

    http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4312730277175242198&q=freedom+to fascism&hl=en

    What does it take before you realize that the Federal Government has Mutated into the very Beast that our Founding Fathers tried to protect us from? They just keep whittling away at our Rights, and the Constitution, much like the frog in the slowly heating pot. Wake-Up.

    Ron Paul '08
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    by nativewoman February 5, 2007 2:39 AM PST
    Comrade! Please present your papers before moving about the country.
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    by bildooreilly February 5, 2007 3:07 AM PST
    Illegals are already stealing them...
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