Baghdad Bombing Death Toll Rises

Casualty Count Reads 137 Dead From Worst Single Bomb Attack Since Start Of War

(CBS/AP)  Stunned Iraqis picked through the rubble of devastated buildings and loaded coffins onto minivans Sunday after a suicide truck bomber obliterated a Baghdad market in a mainly Shiite area, killing at least 132 people in the deadliest single strike by a suicide bomber since the war started.

The explosion Saturday was fifth major bombing in less than a month targeting predominantly Shiite districts in Baghdad and the southern Shiite city of Hillah. It also was the worst in the capital since a series of car bombs and mortars killed at least 215 people in the Shiite district of Sadr City on Nov. 23.

Hospital officials said 137 people were killed and at least 300 were wounded in the thunderous explosion that sent a column of smoke into the sky on the east bank of the Tigris River. Heavily bandaged women, children and men filled hospital beds, while several bloodied bodies were piled onto blankets on the floor of the morgue, which was filled to capacity.

The blast shaved the walls off nearby buildings, sending bricks, desks and other debris spilling onto Kifah Street, where the Sadriyah market was located. Minivans carried wooden coffins as funeral services were held for the victims.

Adnan Lafta, a 51-year-old seller of gas cylinders, said people had recovered two bodies and body parts from under the rubble, while Shiite militiamen prevented anyone from entering the emptied buildings.

Police used loudspeakers to ask people to leave the area, fearing another suicide bomber could slip into the crowd.

"It is a tragedy. The terrorists want to punish the Iraqi people. There was no police or American presence in this market yesterday," Lafta said.

The bombing came just days before American and Iraqi forces were expected to start an all-out assault on Sunni and Shiite gunmen and bombers in the capital.

Only a day earlier, 16 American intelligence agencies made public a National Intelligence Estimate that said conditions in Baghdad were perilous.

"Unless efforts to reverse these conditions show measurable progress ... in the coming 12 to 18 months, we assess that the overall security situation will continue to deteriorate," a declassified synopsis of the report declared.

Suspicion fell on Sunni insurgents — al Qaeda in Iraq and allied groups in particular. The militant bombers are believed to have stepped up their campaign against Shiites in the final days before the joint U.S.-Iraqi crackdown in Baghdad. Many saw the operation as a last-chance effort to clamp off violence that has turned the capital into a sectarian battleground.

Saturday's death toll surpassed a Feb. 28, 2005, suicide car bomb targeting mostly Shiite police and national guard recruits in Hillah that killed 125.

In the hours after the explosion, Shiite and Sunni mortar teams traded fire across the darkened city. Two people were killed and 20 wounded in one predominantly Sunni district.

The White House called the bombing an atrocity.

U.S. Ambassador Zalmay Khalilzad said the bombing was "an example of what the forces of evil will do to intimidate the Iraqi people."

Maj. Gen. Jihad al-Jabiri of the Iraqi Interior Ministry said the truck had been packed with a ton of explosives.

The Sadriyah market sits on a side street lined with shops and vendors selling produce, meat and other staples. The market is about 500 meters from a Sunni shrine.

Not far from the Sadriyah marketplace, a suicide bomber crashed his car into the Bab al-Sharqi market 12 days ago and killed 88 people.

South of Baghdad, a pair of suicide bombers detonated explosives Thursday among shoppers in a crowded outdoor market in Hillah, killing at least 73 people and wounding 163.

Iraqi authorities said that 145 people were killed or were found dead Saturday, including those killed in the market bombing. Of the total, 19 were found dumped in the capital, most of the bodies showing signs of torture.

In other developments:

The U.S. military reported the deaths of five more soldiers — four in fighting and one of an apparent heart attack. All died Friday.

For the first time the U.S. command has publicly acknowledged that the three Army and one private helicopters which have crashed in Iraq since Jan. 20 appear to have been brought down by "some kind" of ground fire, but it is unclear whether this represents any new threat to U.S. aviation, the chief U.S. military spokesman said Sunday. Maj. Gen. William Caldwell told reporters that the investigations into the crashes are incomplete but "based on what we have seen, we're already making adjustments in our tactics and techniques and procedures as to how we employ our helicopters."

At least 22 people are dead in Iraq violence today, including eight people killed in two Baghdad car bombings. Among the dead are two cell phone company employees in a drive-by shooting and four policemen who were struck by a roadside bomb.

A parked car bomb also exploded near a transit area in northern Baghdad where buses pick up people going to the eastern Shiite district of Sadr City, killing at least four people and wounding 21, police said.

Iraqi soldiers arrested detained 32 militants and discovered four weapons caches in western Baghdad, seizing 1,128 mortar rounds, five rocket-propelled grenades, a rocket launcher, 50 anti-aircraft shells and other ammunition, according to the Defense Ministry.

Suspected Sunni attackers have appeared emboldened in recent weeks after radical anti-American Shiite cleric Muqtada al-Sadr, under pressure from fellow Shiites who dominate the government, ordered the thousands of gunmen in his Mahdi Army militia to avoid American attacks in the coming assault.

An Iraqi militant group tied to al Qaeda in Iraq announced Saturday it had launched its own new strategy to counter the coming U.S.-Iraqi crackdown. In an audiotape posted on a Web site commonly used by the insurgents, a voice purported to be that of Abu Abdullah Rashid al-Baghdadi, also known as Abu Omar al-Baghdadi, said the group would "widen the circle of battles" beyond Baghdad to all of Iraq. Al-Baghdadi heads The Mujahedeen Shura Council, an umbrella organization of insurgent groups in Iraq.

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by acauble1 February 4, 2007 8:37 AM PST

I never supported this war to begin with.

However, as recently as a month ago I thought:

- We shouldn't leave Iraq prematurely, otherwise the chaos over there would only get worse and potentially involve the whole Middle East region as opposed to just Iraq.

Now, my thoughts are:

F'CK THEM! F'CK THEM ALL!! LET THEM ALL KILL EACH OTHER OR DEFEND THEMSELVES. NO MORE AMERICANS SHOULD BE KILLED FOR THIS BS!
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by exusmcsgt February 4, 2007 8:46 AM PST

In the same week that Bush calls for $245 billion more for Ira on top of the $400 billion already spent, he also calls for $66 billion to be axed from Medicare. To wit:

"To address the growth of entitlement programs, Mr. Bush's budget proposal contains about a 1 percentage point cut in the rapid growth in Medicare to squeeze about $66 billion in savings over five years from the federal health care program for the elderly."

Bush obviously has no problem asking our already squeezed elderly to do with even less so he can continue throwing billions at his boondoggle in Iraq.

Absolutely disgusting.

NIE states "Unless efforts to reverse these conditions show measurable progress ... in the coming 12 to 18 months, we assess that the overall security situation will continue to deteriorate," a declassified synopsis of the report declared.

The efforts over the last four years have shown measurable progress - negative progress, that it. Hardly justification for a continued investment of American treasure and warriors.

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by grumpas February 4, 2007 9:17 AM PST

It only leaves one to wonder what it would take for our leaders to realize this war is a disaster! Or do any of them have a clue what the word disaster means in lives, money and property? I am starting to believe they would let every male and female die before they would admit it was a mistake!

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by exusmcsgt February 4, 2007 9:26 AM PST

It only leaves one to wonder what it would take for our leaders to realize this war is a disaster!
Posted by grumpas at 09:17 AM : Feb 04, 2007

While Bush/Cheny/Rice have proven in spades to the world that they are ignorant and naive and they still try to portray the situation as salvageable, they know it's over.

At this point, their only intention is to try to stretch it out through Bush's last two years so they can try to blame Bush's successor for the failure and try to avoid his having the legacy of a complete moron.

Bush will still have the legacy of a moron, regardless.

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by nyckate February 4, 2007 10:11 AM PST

exusmcsg - Bush is cutting medicare for american seniors in favor of supporting his extraordinary failure of Iraq because basically he cares little for the plight of American in general - his black/white view makes him think that the seniors have nothing to give him.

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by itchyb-2009 February 4, 2007 10:12 AM PST

The time is long overdue to end this shell game that Cheney/Bush & Co. are playing and bring the troops home. Sending more in is only going to provide more targets. They are going to roll the dice with our own people on the outside chance that something will get better. Bush is a sociopath and has serious brain problems, and Cheney is the calculating director behind Bush. He would have fit very well in Hitlers inner circle.

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by exusmcsgt February 4, 2007 10:15 AM PST

his black/white view makes him think that the seniors have nothing to give him.
Posted by nyckate at 10:11 AM : Feb 04, 2007

Funding more of the boondoggle (he hopes) could have a positive impact on his legacy (as in "Hail Mary").

Funding Medicare will not. You're absolutely correct.

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by exusmcsgt February 4, 2007 10:21 AM PST

This from MSNBC regarding a December 7, 2006, meeting at the White House:

The president did seem mildly chastened by his party's defeat in the midterm elections%u2014but not inclined to change course dramatically in Iraq.

He compared his situation to the crisis Harry Truman faced in the early days of the cold war. Then, as now, Bush said, the United States confronted a dangerous ideological foe. Truman had answered with the Truman Doctrine, a vow to protect free peoples wherever they were threatened with communist domination. Truman's policies had been unpopular in their time, but "history showed he was right," said Bush, according to Sen. *** Durbin of Illinois, the second-ranking Democrat in the Senate.

The Truman comparison didn't seem quite right to Durbin. When the president went to him for comment, Durbin voiced his doubts. "Harry Truman had allies," Durbin pointed out. The Truman administration had helped create the North Atlantic Treaty Organization to contain communism. After Britain withdraws its troops later this year, Durbin says he told Bush, "we will be virtually alone in what we are trying to accomplish there."

Durbin says that Bush did not become angry, but he did seem irritated and "insisted that this was an ideological struggle, which wasn't my point at all," says Durbin. "He was very defensive."

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Typical......

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by nyckate February 4, 2007 10:22 AM PST

What do we all know about US and Iraq?

We know that we are there almost 5 years now and all Bush has done is fail. So we know Bush can't continue to make the military, political and financial decisions on Iraq.

Personally I think the only option left for Americans is to actively petition our congress to wrest control (legally) for Iraq away from the Bush Administration so that they appoint an experienced, knowledgeable and capable commission to run the quagmire that is iraq.

Congress has to take America back from the neocons.

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by exusmcsgt February 4, 2007 10:28 AM PST

nyckate-

first of all, we invaded Iraq almost 4 years ago, not 5.

Secondly, the strategy you propose can only be brought about through impeachment under the Constitution.

Impeachment requires a 2/3 vote in the Senate. The Dems only have a 51-49 majority and that is if you count Lieberman as a Dem.

I share your sentiments, but we are stuck with this moron for 2 more years. Period.

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by nyckate February 4, 2007 10:41 AM PST

exusmcsg

I was thinking that unfortunately the anniversary date of invasion is quickly coming up.

And well more and more in Congress including GOP see Bush has having failed badly - and those senators and congressmen looking at their own elections in 2008 are going to be seriously considering their own political careers - being tied to Bush was really bad for GOP in 2006 - its only going to be worse in 2008!

Sio maybe impeachment or lessening of Bush's controls over Iraq may not be out of reach -- something has to give and I truly don't believe Bush/Cheney have it in them to bring Iraq situation under control.

Oh and of course if Bush is impeached Cheney must be also -- funny - I have no intention ofo voting for Hillary - but I have no problem saying "President Pelosi"!!!

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by whatithink-2009 February 4, 2007 10:43 AM PST

I would rather my tax dollars be wasted in America than in Iraq. Why are we there? Why did we invade? Somebody please get somebody into office finally who makes some sense. Who was the dummy who decided we should have four more years of this kook????

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by gladys_over February 4, 2007 10:52 AM PST

The man who was right on the money from the beginning: Senator Barack Obama.

From his Senate speech, October 26, 2002:

"I don%u2019t oppose all wars. And I know that in this crowd today, there is no shortage of patriots, or of patriotism.What I am opposed to is a dumb war. What I am opposed to is a rash war. What I am opposed to is the cynical attempt by Richard Perles and Paul Wolfowitz and other arm-chair, weekend warriors in this Administration to shove their own ideological agendas down our throats, irrespective of the costs in lives lost and in hardships borne...

Saddam poses no imminent and direct threat to the United States, or to his neighbors, that the Iraqi economy is in shambles, that the Iraqi military a fraction of its former strength, and that in concert with the international community he can be contained until, in the way of all petty dictators, he falls away into the dustbin of history.

I know that even a successful war against Iraq will require a US occupation of undetermined length, at undetermined cost, with undetermined consequences. I know that an invasion of Iraq without a clear rationale and without strong international support will only fan the flames of the middle east, and encourage the worst, rather than best, impulses of the Arab world, and strengthen the recruitment arm of al-Qaeda.

I am not opposed to all wars. I%u2019m opposed to dumb wars."

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by gladys_over February 4, 2007 10:53 AM PST

Full text of Senator Barack Obama's speech:

http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Barack_Obama's_Iraq_Speech

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by exusmcsgt February 4, 2007 11:03 AM PST

nyckate-

You are right that the Repubs treated Bush like a pariah during the fall elections - refusing to have him campaign for them, refusing to be photographed with him, etc. distancing themselves from Bush is one thing, voting to impeach a president of their own party is wuite another.

Personally, I can not imagine voting for Clinton nor Pelosi.

Clinton is a common thief who tried to steal half the White House art and furnishings on the way out in 2001. Hardly presidential material in my book.

Pelosi's entire lack of common sense and judgement in recommending complete non-starters for leadership positions in the house did not show me that she is presidential material by any stretch of the imagination, either.

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by exusmcsgt February 4, 2007 11:05 AM PST

Gladys_Over -

Who in their right mind can argue with his thinking regarding the invasion?

His foresight was obviously superior to Bush/Cheney/Rice/Rumsfeld/Wolfowicz.

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by exusmcsgt February 4, 2007 12:01 PM PST

most of the distortions and lies were done by wolfowitz.
Posted by usadvisor101 at 11:56 AM : Feb 04, 2007

I do not disagree with the rest of your post but I can give you links aplenty of Bush, Cheney, Rice, even Powell all telling bald-faced lies, time after time, to America and the world.

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by jerr11 February 4, 2007 12:20 PM PST

THE ROAD TO HELL IS PAVED WITH GOOD INTENTIONS

And our President knows a thing or two about good intentions heh heh

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by jn122736 February 4, 2007 12:20 PM PST

Exusmcsgt said:
%u201CImpeachment requires a 2/3 vote in the Senate. The Dems only have a 51-49 majority and that is if you count Lieberman as a Dem.%u201D

Correct me if I am wrong:
It is the role of the House of Representatives, much like a grand jury in criminal cases, to bring impeachment charges against a sitting president.

The senate, much like the court in criminal cases, actually tries the case.

The president would be subjected to a very serious and deep-penetrating investigation, which I seriously doubt he could survive.

In the end he would bear the mark of impeachment either way.

Vice president Cheney would most likely either resign or find himself facing impeachment.

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by dallison7 February 4, 2007 12:29 PM PST

The president would be subjected to a very serious and deep-penetrating investigation, which I seriously doubt he could survive.

In the end he would bear the mark of impeachment either way.

Vice president Cheney would most likely either resign or find himself facing impeachment.

Posted by jn122736


I completely agree, impeachment may be out of reach, but shining the light of day on the criminal acts of this administraton would be a very serious wake-up call for those in the middle class who have allowed themselves to be duped by the propaganda from the neocons. It would begin the healing process fou our country and send a message to the rest of the world that we the people of the United States are not as dumb as we have appeared to be.

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by emtak1 February 4, 2007 12:41 PM PST

pretty impressive. It like an Oklahoma CIty bombing, except they happen weekly or bi-weekly rather than once ever hundred years as in the United States.

The Sunnis seem more expert at bombing than the Shiite, which could mitigate the Shiite's far greater numbers in Iraq.

That the enemy has figured out a way to consistently knock down our choppers is also impressive.

I believe leadership-wise we are outclassed by our opponents in the Middle East. Though, if out soldiers and marines were well led, what is happening in Iraq may not be as dismal, because our everyday grunts are second to none in fighting spirit and courage, I think, and would be a match for the enemy.

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by exusmcsgt February 4, 2007 12:43 PM PST

In the end he would bear the mark of impeachment either way.

Vice president Cheney would most likely either resign or find himself facing impeachment.

Posted by jn122736 at 12:20 PM : Feb 04, 2007

Again, sharing the sentiment, I will say that an unsuccessful impeachment trial in the Senate would be an exoneration of sorts for the administration.

I don't think the Dems want that impression to be given, nor do I.

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by exusmcsgt February 4, 2007 12:45 PM PST

Though, if out soldiers and marines were well led, what is happening in Iraq may not be as dismal, because our everyday grunts are second to none in fighting spirit and courage, I think, and would be a match for the enemy.

Posted by emtak1 at 12:41 PM : Feb 04, 2007

More than a match for conventional forces, emtakl, but we are not facing a standing army. We are facing guerrilas and a standing army will never defeat competent guerrilas who have the support of the local populace.

I can give you as many examples of that truth as you have time to read to prove it to you.

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by dallison7 February 4, 2007 12:47 PM PST

Again, sharing the sentiment, I will say that an unsuccessful impeachment trial in the Senate would be an exoneration of sorts for the administration.

I don't think the Dems want that impression to be given, nor do I.
Posted by exusmcsgt

Sarge, don't you think there is a chance that some of those hoping for re-election might vote with the democrats? Or, better yet, a chance that their vote against impeachment might be political suicide?

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by exusmcsgt February 4, 2007 12:52 PM PST

Sarge, don't you think there is a chance that some of those hoping for re-election might vote with the democrats? Or, better yet, a chance that their vote against impeachment might be political suicide?
Posted by dallison7 at 12:47 PM : Feb 04, 2007

As I said earlier, avoiding Bush like a pariah during the fall campaign and voting to impeach a president from their own party are two very different things.

Bear in mind that the #1 priority for all of these professional politicians is their own political survival. Republicans who alienate the base by voting for the impeachment of Bush would be committing political suicide. Ain't happenin'....

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by exusmcsgt February 4, 2007 12:54 PM PST

a civilian telling a general he dont know what hes talking about.

Posted by usadvisor101 at 12:50 PM : Feb 04, 2007

Bush does it every day of the week. It's called 'don't confuse me with the facts".......

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by dallison7 February 4, 2007 12:58 PM PST

there was a pbs special about john kerrys combat record in vietnam. they even went back to nam and talked his former enemies. very interesting and unbiased unlike that fatazz that wrote lies about kerry. turns out, bushs spinmasters lied about a decorated veteran. yep, a guy that avoided combat, bush, was getting others to smear a veteran, kinda just like wolfie, the israeli activist.
Posted by usadvisor101

That's been the republican campaign strategy for several years now. How many people actually believe Gore said that he invented the internet? Look at the slander that Allen threw at Webb.

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by exusmcsgt February 4, 2007 1:00 PM PST

That's been the republican campaign strategy for several years now. How many people actually believe Gore said that he invented the internet? Look at the slander that Allen threw at Webb.
Posted by dallison7 at 12:58 PM : Feb 04, 2007

Nothing new here bro, as you know. The neocons believe in front page slander counting on folks not bothering to find the page 16 retraction.....

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by nothappyatall February 4, 2007 1:09 PM PST

If you want to see some scary Jesus camp religious right wing brainwashing of children, check these;

www.youtube.com/watch?v=7UWIb4FwHPg
www.youtube.com/watch?v=97NFNXk8aFc

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by jn122736 February 4, 2007 1:10 PM PST

%u201CSarge, don't you think there is a chance that some of those hoping for re-election might vote with the democrats? Or, better yet, a chance that their vote against impeachment might be political suicide?%u201D
Posted by dallison7 at 12:47 PM : Feb 04, 2007

dallison7, You are right of course and I may be over-optimistic, considering the growing %u201Cparty first%u201D attitude in both the democratic and republican parties but, hopefully there are members in both parties who would HONESTLY consider all evidence shown in ensuing investigations and place American interests first.

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by dallison7 February 4, 2007 1:23 PM PST

personally did not like what kerry did with his medals after the war. but i believe he would have made a much better president then the decider. i am proud to say i voted for him, and its a shame that fatazzes smeared the veterans record, instead of talking about how cheney and bush avoided vietnam combat.
Posted by usadvisor101

I was one who enlisted during the Vietnam conflict, and I personally commend the man for taking a stand against an unjust war. Al Gore stated in letters to his dad that he vied the war to be unjust but offered his service anyway. These men and men like them are the true patriots... the true American heros.

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by dallison7 February 4, 2007 1:25 PM PST

vied


viewed... sorry for the typo

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by BlueInWI February 4, 2007 1:27 PM PST

Don't worry about all this destruction. GW is cutting education and other funding in the US for both physical and intellectual infrastructure here, so that Haliburton can rebuild Iraq and Cheney can fill his blind trust to leave to his daughter and future grandchild tax-free.

The other side effect is that with more less-educated and lower income Americans in the future he and Dicko will have more young people they can send off to die to keep their heir's Humvees filled.

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by tibu987 February 4, 2007 1:31 PM PST

The Bush legacy:
Death and dying.
Then some more death and dying.
And then some more, well, you get the idea.
Enough.
Get out now.

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by exusmcsgt February 4, 2007 1:33 PM PST

dallison7, You are right of course and I may be over-optimistic, considering the growing %u201Cparty first%u201D attitude in both the democratic and republican parties but, hopefully there are members in both parties who would HONESTLY consider all evidence shown in ensuing investigations and place American interests first.

Posted by jn122736 at 01:10 PM : Feb 04, 2007


Growing "party first" attitude? For the last 4 decades it's been "party first with both the parties.

That's why I am an independent. What's good for America is what's most important to me, not what's good for the Repubs or the Dems......

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by dallison7 February 4, 2007 1:41 PM PST

That's why I am an independent. What's good for America is what's most important to me, not what's good for the Repubs or the Dems......
Posted by exusmcsgt

I'm actually a registered republican. Voted for McCain in the Florida primary even though he had already be3en swiftboated bu the Bush machine and withdrew from the race just before we got to vote. I have always liked McCain until he started flip-flopping this past year. Anyway, he's too old now. We don't need another elderly president falling asleep during important meetings like Reagan did during his final months. That vote for McCain was the last time I voted for a republican in any election, just haven't bothered to chandge my party affiliation. I will change it to independent when I do.

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by exusmcsgt February 4, 2007 1:50 PM PST

I'm actually a registered republican. Voted for McCain in the Florida primary even though he had already be3en swiftboated bu the Bush machine and withdrew from the race just before we got to vote.

Posted by dallison7 at 01:41 PM : Feb 04, 2007

McCain has hired the same people for his campaign that Bush used for the "swift-boating". What does that tell you?

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by dallison7 February 4, 2007 1:58 PM PST

McCain has hired the same people for his campaign that Bush used for the "swift-boating". What does that tell you?

Posted by exusmcsgt

Tells me that he is a changed man, I could never vote for him now. It might be a sign of senility if he thinks those type of tactics can work again. America is waking up.

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by exusmcsgt February 4, 2007 2:01 PM PST

Tells me that he is a changed man, I could never vote for him now. It might be a sign of senility if he thinks those type of tactics can work again.
Posted by dallison7 at 01:58 PM : Feb 04, 2007

With people like BIGDADPATRIO they always will...

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by dallison7 February 4, 2007 2:05 PM PST

With people like BIGDADPATRIO they always will...
Posted by exusmcsgt

LOL It's a shame floks like us don't get a chance to debate them at the front door of the polling places. They seem to always run away.

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by exusmcsgt February 4, 2007 2:07 PM PST

They seem to always run away.
Posted by dallison7 at 02:05 PM : Feb 04, 2007

Xenophobia can never withstand the searing light of logic, bro.

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by exusmcsgt February 4, 2007 2:28 PM PST

just think thats dishonoring the fallen and was a bad choice at the. did not kerry say he regretted throwing them?
Posted by usadvisor101 at 02:12 PM : Feb 04, 2007

Hiw did Kerry's rejecting his medals dishonor the fallen?

His statement in rejecting his medals was the washing of his hands of any praise or reward for what he viewed as an unconscionable act on the part of the U.S.

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by dallison7 February 4, 2007 2:35 PM PST

Hiw did Kerry's rejecting his medals dishonor the fallen?

His statement in rejecting his medals was the washing of his hands of any praise or reward for what he viewed as an unconscionable act on the part of the U.S.
Posted by exusmcsgt

You just heard it from another Vietnam vet.

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by emhawks February 4, 2007 2:53 PM PST

Is there no deliverance from the madness & bloodshed caused by Bush & Cheney?! Now we are heading towards war with Iran, predicted to happen this spring in several articles I've read.
We must continue to keep up the pressure on our elected representatives in Washington to impeach Bush & indicte Cheney & close the pursestrings on the money for the Iraq war & the upcoming Iran war.
"The most common way people give up their power is by thinking they don't have any."
- Anonymous
The American people do have power. We proved that in Nov. '06.
"In the eyes of empire builders, men are not men but instruments."
- Napoleon Bonaparte (1769-1821)
"...fascism will come to America in the name of national security."
- Jim Garrison
"I know not with what weapons WWIII will be fought, but WWIV will be fought with sticks & stones."
- Albert Einstein (1879-1955)

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by lars008-2009 February 4, 2007 3:04 PM PST

here's your enemy skippy....... try to remember that......there will be a test later...... hahahahahaha

'Obsession'
Documentary gives insight into radical Islam%u2019s global threat
http://www.foxnews.com/video2/launchPage.html?110506/110506_fnl_obsession&%27Obsession%27&FNL&Documentary%20gives%20insight%20into%20radical%20Islam%92s%20global%20threat&Foxlife&-1&%27Obsession%27&Video%20Launch%20Page&News

http://www.obsessionthemovie.com/12min.htm
http://myspace.com/waragainstthewest
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3BL4-mxE87w
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUpcpEQtgp4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7BUqXSeCDJc

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by bellal-2009 February 4, 2007 3:05 PM PST

I never supported this war to begin with.

However, as recently as a month ago I thought:

- We shouldn't leave Iraq prematurely, otherwise the chaos over there would only get worse and potentially involve the whole Middle East region as opposed to just Iraq.

Now, my thoughts are:

F'CK THEM! F'CK THEM ALL!! LET THEM ALL KILL EACH OTHER OR DEFEND THEMSELVES. NO MORE AMERICANS SHOULD BE KILLED FOR THIS BS!
.
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Posted by acauble1 at 08:37 AM : Feb 04, 2007

I'm almost there with you acauble1. I find it amazing that European Union is not concerned.

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by lars008-2009 February 4, 2007 3:11 PM PST

and here are some more of them skippy....... they are everywhere......
UK TV AIRS SHOCK 'UNDERCOVER' LOOK INTO MAINSTREAM BRIT MOSQUES...

Dispatches: Undercover Mosque
This is part one of the much-anticipated UK Channel 4 documentary Dispatches: Undercover Mosque, exposing evidence of Islamic supremacism, shocking misogyny, and support for violence at a number of Britain%u2019s leading mosques and Muslim institutions. (Thanks again to LGF operative kasper.)

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=24018_Dispatches-_Undercover_Mosque&only

Dispatches - Undercover Mosque (1 to 6)

UK Channel 4, aired 15th January 2007.
Radicalisation of UK mosques by Saudi Wahabbism

http://youtube.com/watch?v=peFQWuk4nuo
http://youtube.com/watch?v=MuCLC8kjWCI
http://youtube.com/watch?v=x5t5EqWX92k
http://youtube.com/watch?v=yMztM0Z7BYE
http://youtube.com/watch?v=V4Zv3BUmwqs
http://youtube.com/watch?v=KvjvNScmTQA

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by feelfree1 February 4, 2007 4:04 PM PST

Re: "Casualty Count Reads 137 Dead From Worst Single Bomb Attack Since Start Of War"

At least these 137 people will not have to face the torture chambers and the rape-rooms of the Bush regime.

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by lars008-2009 February 4, 2007 4:32 PM PST

At least these 137 people will not have to face the torture chambers and the rape-rooms of the sunni and shiite radicals.

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by feelfree1 February 5, 2007 12:49 AM PST

Re: "Unless... in the coming 12 to 18 months, we assess that the overall security situation will continue to deteriorate,"

Anyone following this realized that this was true, 3 years ago.

Re: "It is a tragedy. The terrorists want to punish the Iraqi people. There was no police or American presence in this market yesterday," Lafta said."

Who are these bombers?

'British prison break and blown covert operation, exposes war on terrorism lie'

www.stopusa.be/scripts/texte.php?section=BDBN&langue=3&id=24039

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[acauble1]

I never supported this war to begin with.

However, as recently as a month ago I thought:

- We shouldn't leave Iraq prematurely, otherwise the chaos over there would only get worse and potentially involve the whole Middle East region as opposed to just Iraq.

Now, my thoughts are:

F'CK THEM! F'CK THEM ALL!! LET THEM ALL KILL EACH OTHER OR DEFEND THEMSELVES. NO MORE AMERICANS SHOULD BE KILLED FOR THIS BS!
.
.

[exusmcsgt]

In the same week that Bush calls for $245 billion more for Ira on top of the $400 billion already spent, he also calls for $66 billion to be axed from Medicare. To wit:

"To address the growth of entitlement programs, Mr. Bush's budget proposal contains about a 1 percentage point cut in the rapid growth in Medicare to squeeze about $66 billion in savings over five years from the federal health care program for the elderly."

Bush obviously has no problem asking our already squeezed elderly to do with even less so he can continue throwing billions at his boondoggle in Iraq.

Absolutely disgusting.

NIE states "Unless efforts to reverse these conditions show measurable progress ... in the coming 12 to 18 months, we assess that the overall security situation will continue to deteriorate," a declassified synopsis of the report declared.

The efforts over the last four years have shown measurable progress - negative progress, that it. Hardly justification for a continued investment of American treasure and warriors.

[grumpas]

It only leaves one to wonder what it would take for our leaders to realize this war is a disaster! Or do any of them have a clue what the word disaster means in lives, money and property? I am starting to believe they would let every male and female die before they would admit it was a mistake!

[exusmcsgt]

It only leaves one to wonder what it would take for our leaders to realize this war is a disaster!
Posted by grumpas at 09:17 AM : Feb 04, 2007

While Bush/Cheny/Rice have proven in spades to the world that they are ignorant and naive and they still try to portray the situation as salvageable, they know it's over.

At this point, their only intention is to try to stretch it out through Bush's last two years so they can try to blame Bush's successor for the failure and try to avoid his having the legacy of a complete moron.

Bush will still have the legacy of a moron, regardless.

[nyckate]

exusmcsg - Bush is cutting medicare for american seniors in favor of supporting his extraordinary failure of Iraq because basically he cares little for the plight of American in general - his black/white view makes him think that the seniors have nothing to give him.

[itchyb-2009]

The time is long overdue to end this shell game that Cheney/Bush & Co. are playing and bring the troops home. Sending more in is only going to provide more targets. They are going to roll the dice with our own people on the outside chance that something will get better. Bush is a sociopath and has serious brain problems, and Cheney is the calculating director behind Bush. He would have fit very well in Hitlers inner circle.

[exusmcsgt]

his black/white view makes him think that the seniors have nothing to give him.
Posted by nyckate at 10:11 AM : Feb 04, 2007

Funding more of the boondoggle (he hopes) could have a positive impact on his legacy (as in "Hail Mary").

Funding Medicare will not. You're absolutely correct.

[exusmcsgt]

This from MSNBC regarding a December 7, 2006, meeting at the White House:

The president did seem mildly chastened by his party's defeat in the midterm elections%u2014but not inclined to change course dramatically in Iraq.

He compared his situation to the crisis Harry Truman faced in the early days of the cold war. Then, as now, Bush said, the United States confronted a dangerous ideological foe. Truman had answered with the Truman Doctrine, a vow to protect free peoples wherever they were threatened with communist domination. Truman's policies had been unpopular in their time, but "history showed he was right," said Bush, according to Sen. *** Durbin of Illinois, the second-ranking Democrat in the Senate.

The Truman comparison didn't seem quite right to Durbin. When the president went to him for comment, Durbin voiced his doubts. "Harry Truman had allies," Durbin pointed out. The Truman administration had helped create the North Atlantic Treaty Organization to contain communism. After Britain withdraws its troops later this year, Durbin says he told Bush, "we will be virtually alone in what we are trying to accomplish there."

Durbin says that Bush did not become angry, but he did seem irritated and "insisted that this was an ideological struggle, which wasn't my point at all," says Durbin. "He was very defensive."

-------------------------------

Typical......

[nyckate]

What do we all know about US and Iraq?

We know that we are there almost 5 years now and all Bush has done is fail. So we know Bush can't continue to make the military, political and financial decisions on Iraq.

Personally I think the only option left for Americans is to actively petition our congress to wrest control (legally) for Iraq away from the Bush Administration so that they appoint an experienced, knowledgeable and capable commission to run the quagmire that is iraq.

Congress has to take America back from the neocons.

[exusmcsgt]

nyckate-

first of all, we invaded Iraq almost 4 years ago, not 5.

Secondly, the strategy you propose can only be brought about through impeachment under the Constitution.

Impeachment requires a 2/3 vote in the Senate. The Dems only have a 51-49 majority and that is if you count Lieberman as a Dem.

I share your sentiments, but we are stuck with this moron for 2 more years. Period.

[nyckate]

exusmcsg

I was thinking that unfortunately the anniversary date of invasion is quickly coming up.

And well more and more in Congress including GOP see Bush has having failed badly - and those senators and congressmen looking at their own elections in 2008 are going to be seriously considering their own political careers - being tied to Bush was really bad for GOP in 2006 - its only going to be worse in 2008!

Sio maybe impeachment or lessening of Bush's controls over Iraq may not be out of reach -- something has to give and I truly don't believe Bush/Cheney have it in them to bring Iraq situation under control.

Oh and of course if Bush is impeached Cheney must be also -- funny - I have no intention ofo voting for Hillary - but I have no problem saying "President Pelosi"!!!

[whatithink-2009]

I would rather my tax dollars be wasted in America than in Iraq. Why are we there? Why did we invade? Somebody please get somebody into office finally who makes some sense. Who was the dummy who decided we should have four more years of this kook????

[gladys_over]

The man who was right on the money from the beginning: Senator Barack Obama.

From his Senate speech, October 26, 2002:

"I don%u2019t oppose all wars. And I know that in this crowd today, there is no shortage of patriots, or of patriotism.What I am opposed to is a dumb war. What I am opposed to is a rash war. What I am opposed to is the cynical attempt by Richard Perles and Paul Wolfowitz and other arm-chair, weekend warriors in this Administration to shove their own ideological agendas down our throats, irrespective of the costs in lives lost and in hardships borne...

Saddam poses no imminent and direct threat to the United States, or to his neighbors, that the Iraqi economy is in shambles, that the Iraqi military a fraction of its former strength, and that in concert with the international community he can be contained until, in the way of all petty dictators, he falls away into the dustbin of history.

I know that even a successful war against Iraq will require a US occupation of undetermined length, at undetermined cost, with undetermined consequences. I know that an invasion of Iraq without a clear rationale and without strong international support will only fan the flames of the middle east, and encourage the worst, rather than best, impulses of the Arab world, and strengthen the recruitment arm of al-Qaeda.

I am not opposed to all wars. I%u2019m opposed to dumb wars."

[gladys_over]

Full text of Senator Barack Obama's speech:

http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Barack_Obama's_Iraq_Speech

[exusmcsgt]

nyckate-

You are right that the Repubs treated Bush like a pariah during the fall elections - refusing to have him campaign for them, refusing to be photographed with him, etc. distancing themselves from Bush is one thing, voting to impeach a president of their own party is wuite another.

Personally, I can not imagine voting for Clinton nor Pelosi.

Clinton is a common thief who tried to steal half the White House art and furnishings on the way out in 2001. Hardly presidential material in my book.

Pelosi's entire lack of common sense and judgement in recommending complete non-starters for leadership positions in the house did not show me that she is presidential material by any stretch of the imagination, either.

[exusmcsgt]

Gladys_Over -

Who in their right mind can argue with his thinking regarding the invasion?

His foresight was obviously superior to Bush/Cheney/Rice/Rumsfeld/Wolfowicz.

[exusmcsgt]

most of the distortions and lies were done by wolfowitz.
Posted by usadvisor101 at 11:56 AM : Feb 04, 2007

I do not disagree with the rest of your post but I can give you links aplenty of Bush, Cheney, Rice, even Powell all telling bald-faced lies, time after time, to America and the world.

[jerr11]

THE ROAD TO HELL IS PAVED WITH GOOD INTENTIONS

And our President knows a thing or two about good intentions heh heh

[jn122736]

Exusmcsgt said:
%u201CImpeachment requires a 2/3 vote in the Senate. The Dems only have a 51-49 majority and that is if you count Lieberman as a Dem.%u201D

Correct me if I am wrong:
It is the role of the House of Representatives, much like a grand jury in criminal cases, to bring impeachment charges against a sitting president.

The senate, much like the court in criminal cases, actually tries the case.

The president would be subjected to a very serious and deep-penetrating investigation, which I seriously doubt he could survive.

In the end he would bear the mark of impeachment either way.

Vice president Cheney would most likely either resign or find himself facing impeachment.

[dallison7]

The president would be subjected to a very serious and deep-penetrating investigation, which I seriously doubt he could survive.

In the end he would bear the mark of impeachment either way.

Vice president Cheney would most likely either resign or find himself facing impeachment.

Posted by jn122736


I completely agree, impeachment may be out of reach, but shining the light of day on the criminal acts of this administraton would be a very serious wake-up call for those in the middle class who have allowed themselves to be duped by the propaganda from the neocons. It would begin the healing process fou our country and send a message to the rest of the world that we the people of the United States are not as dumb as we have appeared to be.

[emtak1]

pretty impressive. It like an Oklahoma CIty bombing, except they happen weekly or bi-weekly rather than once ever hundred years as in the United States.

The Sunnis seem more expert at bombing than the Shiite, which could mitigate the Shiite's far greater numbers in Iraq.

That the enemy has figured out a way to consistently knock down our choppers is also impressive.

I believe leadership-wise we are outclassed by our opponents in the Middle East. Though, if out soldiers and marines were well led, what is happening in Iraq may not be as dismal, because our everyday grunts are second to none in fighting spirit and courage, I think, and would be a match for the enemy.

[exusmcsgt]

In the end he would bear the mark of impeachment either way.

Vice president Cheney would most likely either resign or find himself facing impeachment.

Posted by jn122736 at 12:20 PM : Feb 04, 2007

Again, sharing the sentiment, I will say that an unsuccessful impeachment trial in the Senate would be an exoneration of sorts for the administration.

I don't think the Dems want that impression to be given, nor do I.

[exusmcsgt]

Though, if out soldiers and marines were well led, what is happening in Iraq may not be as dismal, because our everyday grunts are second to none in fighting spirit and courage, I think, and would be a match for the enemy.

Posted by emtak1 at 12:41 PM : Feb 04, 2007

More than a match for conventional forces, emtakl, but we are not facing a standing army. We are facing guerrilas and a standing army will never defeat competent guerrilas who have the support of the local populace.

I can give you as many examples of that truth as you have time to read to prove it to you.

[dallison7]

Again, sharing the sentiment, I will say that an unsuccessful impeachment trial in the Senate would be an exoneration of sorts for the administration.

I don't think the Dems want that impression to be given, nor do I.
Posted by exusmcsgt

Sarge, don't you think there is a chance that some of those hoping for re-election might vote with the democrats? Or, better yet, a chance that their vote against impeachment might be political suicide?

[exusmcsgt]

Sarge, don't you think there is a chance that some of those hoping for re-election might vote with the democrats? Or, better yet, a chance that their vote against impeachment might be political suicide?
Posted by dallison7 at 12:47 PM : Feb 04, 2007

As I said earlier, avoiding Bush like a pariah during the fall campaign and voting to impeach a president from their own party are two very different things.

Bear in mind that the #1 priority for all of these professional politicians is their own political survival. Republicans who alienate the base by voting for the impeachment of Bush would be committing political suicide. Ain't happenin'....

[exusmcsgt]

a civilian telling a general he dont know what hes talking about.

Posted by usadvisor101 at 12:50 PM : Feb 04, 2007

Bush does it every day of the week. It's called 'don't confuse me with the facts".......

[dallison7]

there was a pbs special about john kerrys combat record in vietnam. they even went back to nam and talked his former enemies. very interesting and unbiased unlike that fatazz that wrote lies about kerry. turns out, bushs spinmasters lied about a decorated veteran. yep, a guy that avoided combat, bush, was getting others to smear a veteran, kinda just like wolfie, the israeli activist.
Posted by usadvisor101

That's been the republican campaign strategy for several years now. How many people actually believe Gore said that he invented the internet? Look at the slander that Allen threw at Webb.

[exusmcsgt]

That's been the republican campaign strategy for several years now. How many people actually believe Gore said that he invented the internet? Look at the slander that Allen threw at Webb.
Posted by dallison7 at 12:58 PM : Feb 04, 2007

Nothing new here bro, as you know. The neocons believe in front page slander counting on folks not bothering to find the page 16 retraction.....

[nothappyatall]

If you want to see some scary Jesus camp religious right wing brainwashing of children, check these;

www.youtube.com/watch?v=7UWIb4FwHPg
www.youtube.com/watch?v=97NFNXk8aFc

[jn122736]

%u201CSarge, don't you think there is a chance that some of those hoping for re-election might vote with the democrats? Or, better yet, a chance that their vote against impeachment might be political suicide?%u201D
Posted by dallison7 at 12:47 PM : Feb 04, 2007

dallison7, You are right of course and I may be over-optimistic, considering the growing %u201Cparty first%u201D attitude in both the democratic and republican parties but, hopefully there are members in both parties who would HONESTLY consider all evidence shown in ensuing investigations and place American interests first.

[dallison7]

personally did not like what kerry did with his medals after the war. but i believe he would have made a much better president then the decider. i am proud to say i voted for him, and its a shame that fatazzes smeared the veterans record, instead of talking about how cheney and bush avoided vietnam combat.
Posted by usadvisor101

I was one who enlisted during the Vietnam conflict, and I personally commend the man for taking a stand against an unjust war. Al Gore stated in letters to his dad that he vied the war to be unjust but offered his service anyway. These men and men like them are the true patriots... the true American heros.

[dallison7]

vied


viewed... sorry for the typo

[BlueInWI]

Don't worry about all this destruction. GW is cutting education and other funding in the US for both physical and intellectual infrastructure here, so that Haliburton can rebuild Iraq and Cheney can fill his blind trust to leave to his daughter and future grandchild tax-free.

The other side effect is that with more less-educated and lower income Americans in the future he and Dicko will have more young people they can send off to die to keep their heir's Humvees filled.

[tibu987]

The Bush legacy:
Death and dying.
Then some more death and dying.
And then some more, well, you get the idea.
Enough.
Get out now.

[exusmcsgt]

dallison7, You are right of course and I may be over-optimistic, considering the growing %u201Cparty first%u201D attitude in both the democratic and republican parties but, hopefully there are members in both parties who would HONESTLY consider all evidence shown in ensuing investigations and place American interests first.

Posted by jn122736 at 01:10 PM : Feb 04, 2007


Growing "party first" attitude? For the last 4 decades it's been "party first with both the parties.

That's why I am an independent. What's good for America is what's most important to me, not what's good for the Repubs or the Dems......

[dallison7]

That's why I am an independent. What's good for America is what's most important to me, not what's good for the Repubs or the Dems......
Posted by exusmcsgt

I'm actually a registered republican. Voted for McCain in the Florida primary even though he had already be3en swiftboated bu the Bush machine and withdrew from the race just before we got to vote. I have always liked McCain until he started flip-flopping this past year. Anyway, he's too old now. We don't need another elderly president falling asleep during important meetings like Reagan did during his final months. That vote for McCain was the last time I voted for a republican in any election, just haven't bothered to chandge my party affiliation. I will change it to independent when I do.

[exusmcsgt]

I'm actually a registered republican. Voted for McCain in the Florida primary even though he had already be3en swiftboated bu the Bush machine and withdrew from the race just before we got to vote.

Posted by dallison7 at 01:41 PM : Feb 04, 2007

McCain has hired the same people for his campaign that Bush used for the "swift-boating". What does that tell you?

[dallison7]

McCain has hired the same people for his campaign that Bush used for the "swift-boating". What does that tell you?

Posted by exusmcsgt

Tells me that he is a changed man, I could never vote for him now. It might be a sign of senility if he thinks those type of tactics can work again. America is waking up.

[exusmcsgt]

Tells me that he is a changed man, I could never vote for him now. It might be a sign of senility if he thinks those type of tactics can work again.
Posted by dallison7 at 01:58 PM : Feb 04, 2007

With people like BIGDADPATRIO they always will...

[dallison7]

With people like BIGDADPATRIO they always will...
Posted by exusmcsgt

LOL It's a shame floks like us don't get a chance to debate them at the front door of the polling places. They seem to always run away.

[exusmcsgt]

They seem to always run away.
Posted by dallison7 at 02:05 PM : Feb 04, 2007

Xenophobia can never withstand the searing light of logic, bro.

[exusmcsgt]

just think thats dishonoring the fallen and was a bad choice at the. did not kerry say he regretted throwing them?
Posted by usadvisor101 at 02:12 PM : Feb 04, 2007

Hiw did Kerry's rejecting his medals dishonor the fallen?

His statement in rejecting his medals was the washing of his hands of any praise or reward for what he viewed as an unconscionable act on the part of the U.S.

[dallison7]

Hiw did Kerry's rejecting his medals dishonor the fallen?

His statement in rejecting his medals was the washing of his hands of any praise or reward for what he viewed as an unconscionable act on the part of the U.S.
Posted by exusmcsgt

You just heard it from another Vietnam vet.

[emhawks]

Is there no deliverance from the madness & bloodshed caused by Bush & Cheney?! Now we are heading towards war with Iran, predicted to happen this spring in several articles I've read.
We must continue to keep up the pressure on our elected representatives in Washington to impeach Bush & indicte Cheney & close the pursestrings on the money for the Iraq war & the upcoming Iran war.
"The most common way people give up their power is by thinking they don't have any."
- Anonymous
The American people do have power. We proved that in Nov. '06.
"In the eyes of empire builders, men are not men but instruments."
- Napoleon Bonaparte (1769-1821)
"...fascism will come to America in the name of national security."
- Jim Garrison
"I know not with what weapons WWIII will be fought, but WWIV will be fought with sticks & stones."
- Albert Einstein (1879-1955)

[lars008-2009]

here's your enemy skippy....... try to remember that......there will be a test later...... hahahahahaha

'Obsession'
Documentary gives insight into radical Islam%u2019s global threat
http://www.foxnews.com/video2/launchPage.html?110506/110506_fnl_obsession&%27Obsession%27&FNL&Documentary%20gives%20insight%20into%20radical%20Islam%92s%20global%20threat&Foxlife&-1&%27Obsession%27&Video%20Launch%20Page&News

http://www.obsessionthemovie.com/12min.htm
http://myspace.com/waragainstthewest
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3BL4-mxE87w
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUpcpEQtgp4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7BUqXSeCDJc

[bellal-2009]

I never supported this war to begin with.

However, as recently as a month ago I thought:

- We shouldn't leave Iraq prematurely, otherwise the chaos over there would only get worse and potentially involve the whole Middle East region as opposed to just Iraq.

Now, my thoughts are:

F'CK THEM! F'CK THEM ALL!! LET THEM ALL KILL EACH OTHER OR DEFEND THEMSELVES. NO MORE AMERICANS SHOULD BE KILLED FOR THIS BS!
.
.
Posted by acauble1 at 08:37 AM : Feb 04, 2007

I'm almost there with you acauble1. I find it amazing that European Union is not concerned.

[lars008-2009]

and here are some more of them skippy....... they are everywhere......
UK TV AIRS SHOCK 'UNDERCOVER' LOOK INTO MAINSTREAM BRIT MOSQUES...

Dispatches: Undercover Mosque
This is part one of the much-anticipated UK Channel 4 documentary Dispatches: Undercover Mosque, exposing evidence of Islamic supremacism, shocking misogyny, and support for violence at a number of Britain%u2019s leading mosques and Muslim institutions. (Thanks again to LGF operative kasper.)

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=24018_Dispatches-_Undercover_Mosque&only

Dispatches - Undercover Mosque (1 to 6)

UK Channel 4, aired 15th January 2007.
Radicalisation of UK mosques by Saudi Wahabbism

http://youtube.com/watch?v=peFQWuk4nuo
http://youtube.com/watch?v=MuCLC8kjWCI
http://youtube.com/watch?v=x5t5EqWX92k
http://youtube.com/watch?v=yMztM0Z7BYE
http://youtube.com/watch?v=V4Zv3BUmwqs
http://youtube.com/watch?v=KvjvNScmTQA

[feelfree1]

Re: "Casualty Count Reads 137 Dead From Worst Single Bomb Attack Since Start Of War"

At least these 137 people will not have to face the torture chambers and the rape-rooms of the Bush regime.

[lars008-2009]

At least these 137 people will not have to face the torture chambers and the rape-rooms of the sunni and shiite radicals.

[feelfree1]

Re: "Unless... in the coming 12 to 18 months, we assess that the overall security situation will continue to deteriorate,"

Anyone following this realized that this was true, 3 years ago.

Re: "It is a tragedy. The terrorists want to punish the Iraqi people. There was no police or American presence in this market yesterday," Lafta said."

Who are these bombers?

'British prison break and blown covert operation, exposes war on terrorism lie'

www.stopusa.be/scripts/texte.php?section=BDBN&langue=3&id=24039