Global Warming To "Continue For Centuries"

Report From Top Scientists Urges Countries To Take Action, Calls Global Warming "Unequivocal"

(CBS/AP) 
The panel predicted temperature rises of 2-11.5 F by the year 2100. That was a wider range than in the 2001 report, although the panel also said its best estimate was rises of 3.2-7.1 F. Scientists said they are more sure of temperature increases than ever before.

The projected effects of global warming would vary in different parts of the globe. The closer to the poles, the higher the temperature spikes, according to the report. Dramatic and noticeable temperature spikes are likely to be seen within 22 years in most of the Northern Hemisphere, the report showed. Northern Africa and other places will see dramatically less rainfall.

And that's just average temperature increases and rainfall amounts, something that doesn't affect people much. People experience the harshest of global warming with extreme weather events — heat waves, droughts, floods, and hurricanes — said study co-author Philip Jones of Britain's University of East Anglia. And those have increased dramatically in the past decade and will get even worse in the future, he said.

On sea levels, the report projects rises of 7-23 inches by the end of the century. An additional 3.9-7.8 inches are possible if recent, surprising melting of polar ice sheets continues.

"The situation is more dire than (at the time of the 2001 report) because we have real possibilities that the situation can be much greater than we have seen before," said Trenberth, director of climate analysis at the U.S National Center for Atmospheric Research.

A colleague from the center, Gerry Meehl, warned that continued global warming could eventually lead to an "ice-free Arctic." And when that happened 125,000 years ago, seas rose between 13 and 20 feet. That is looking like a real possibility for the 22nd Century, the report said, but some scientists fear much of that may happen before the end of the 21st Century.

The report said no matter how much civilization slows or reduces its greenhouse gas emissions, global warming and sea-level rise will continue for centuries.

"This is just not something you can stop. We're just going to have to live with it," Trenberth said in an interview. "We're creating a different planet. If you were to come back in 100 years' time, we'll have a different climate."

Scientists worry that world leaders will take that message in the wrong way and throw up their hands, Trenberth said. That would be wrong, he said. Instead, the scientists urged leaders to reduce emissions and also adapt to a warmer world with wilder weather.

"The point here is to highlight what will happen if we don't do something and what will happen if we do something," Overpeck said. "I can tell you if you decide not to do something the impacts will be much larger than if we do something."

"You make a difference on hundred of years' time frame, but this is the future of the planet," Trenberth told The Associated Press. "We have to adapt to it."

Trenberth said the world is paying more attention to scientists now than in previous warnings in 1990, 1995 and 2001. "The tension is more now," he said.

The head of the U.S. delegation, White House associate science adviser Sharon Hays, called the panel's summary "a significant report. It will be valuable to policy makers."

As the IPCC report was being released, environmental activists rappelled off a Paris bridge and draped a banner over a statue used often as a popular gauge of whether the Seine River is running high.

"Alarm bells are ringing. The world must wake up to the threat," said Catherine Pearce of Friends of the Earth.

[andromeda5]

Gaye5,

No theory can be said to be false. As such, your belief that the sun is responsible for global warming can and should be considered. However the scientific concensus tends to point to greenhouse gases as the main agent of global warming.

Either way the environments of the planet are in worse shape than ever before. Fish are getting scarcer, desertification is on the rise, forests are slowly disappearing, water and air are becoming more and more contaminated, and wars are sprouting from all corners of the globe and, if scientists are right, the Earth is getting a lot hotter than ever before.

I am not disputing your concept. You have as much a right as anyone else to voice your opinion. Perhaps you may even be right...who knows ? The facts however concerning the way we think and live on planet Earth does not bode well for our species, and for manyh other species for that matter.

We need to change the way we think.... and we need to change it very quickly....

Jonathan Turcot



The above makes for a pretty dim

[gaye5]

andromeda5, what makes you think that the moderators limit my comments, every one of my comments have gone through, please dont make assumptions on something that you dont know anything about... as there is not enough room to put all aspects of this subject, and as many seem to be definite in their assumption that it is mans fault, all I can do is be the devils advocate and throw in some other scientific thoughts on the matter, perhaps you dont wish to know the thoughts of other intellegent scientists or do you have a stack in the profits if we are forced to totally change our ways. There are other thoughts on global warming out there, and if you wish to be blind to this then dont read my comments...personally I prefer to look at all aspects. Of course fuel could perhaps contribute to some of the problem so could the cutting down of trees, over population etc, I am just giving another aspect which a portion of the media seems to be deliberately overlook is being overlooked.. if the sun is heating up all other planets then it stands to reason that it will be heating up the earth as well, and this seems to have happened before in history, and it is also possible that when the sun cools, we and other planets could go through an ice age..scientists have proven that we go through ice ages and global warming so I would be interested to know what you blame the ice age on, it couldn't have been man's fault could it..

[andromeda5]

Gaye5,

You seem to be mired by the sun as the sole reason why the Earth is warming up. You have written numerous posts to that effect since one post does not allow you to expand so much on that one theory. That is the reason moderators limit your posts somewhat.

Of course the sun warms the Earth. There are no arguments there. We are to blame however for this particular episode. It it's not too late we can change the destiny of our species by taking care of each other, which would generate a way of thinking that would not require so much competition to stay alive, and hence reduce our ever-increasing imprints on the environment.

Jonathan Turcot

[gaye5]

Dr David Viner, the senior research scientist at the University of East Anglia's climatic research unit, said the research showed that the sun did have an effect on global warming.

Dr Gareth Jones, a climate researcher at the Met Office, said that Dr Solanki's findings were inconclusive because the study had not incorporated other potential climate change factors.

"The Sun's radiance may well have an impact on climate change but it needs to be looked at in conjunction with other factors such as greenhouse gases, sulphate aerosols and volcano activity," he said. The research adds weight to the views of David Bellamy, the conservationist. "Global warming - at least the modern nightmare version - is a myth," he said. "I am sure of it and so are a growing number of scientists. But what is really worrying is that the world's politicians and policy-makers are not.

"Instead, they have an unshakeable faith in what has, unfortunately, become one of the central credos of the environmental movement: humans burn fossil fuels, which release increased levels of carbon dioxide - the principal so-called greenhouse gas - into the atmosphere, causing the atmosphere to heat up. They say this is global warming: I say this is poppycock."

[gaye5]

To determine the Sun's role in global warming, Dr Solanki's research team measured magnetic zones on the Sun's surface known as sunspots, which are believed to intensify the Sun's energy output.

The team studied sunspot data going back several hundred years. They found that a dearth of sunspots signalled a cold period - which could last up to 50 years - but that over the past century their numbers had increased as the Earth's climate grew steadily warmer. The scientists also compared data from ice samples collected during an expedition to Greenland in 1991. The most recent samples contained the lowest recorded levels of beryllium 10 for more than 1,000 years. Beryllium 10 is a particle created by cosmic rays that decreases in the Earth's atmosphere as the magnetic energy from the Sun increases. Scientists can currently trace beryllium 10 levels back 1,150 years.

Dr Bill Burrows, a climatologist and a member of the Royal Meteorological Society, welcomed Dr Solanki's research.
"It shows that there is enough happening on the solar front to merit further research. Perhaps we are devoting too many resources to correcting human effects on the climate without being sure that we are the major contributor."

[gaye5]

The truth about global warming - it's the Sun that's to blame

By Michael Leidig and Roya Nikkhah
(Filed: 18/07/2004)

Global warming has finally been explained: the Earth is getting hotter because the Sun is burning more brightly than at any time during the past 1,000 years, according to new research.

A study by Swiss and German scientists suggests that increasing radiation from the sun is responsible for recent global climate changes.

Dr Sami Solanki, the director of the renowned Max Planck Institute for Solar System Research in Gottingen, Germany, who led the research, said: "The Sun has been at its strongest over the past 60 years and may now be affecting global temperatures.

Globally, 1997, 1998 and 2002 were the hottest years since worldwide weather records were first collated in 1860.

rest of article in next two posts

[gaye5]

- London Telegraph: The truth about global warming - it's the Sun that's to blame
Global warming has finally been explained: the Earth is getting hotter because the Sun is burning more brightly than at any time during the past 1,000 years, according to new research.

The simple fact is that throughout the ages the earth has swung wildly.

Global warming is cited as an excuse to meter out further control and surveillance over our daily lives.

People like Dr. Erik Pianka, advocate the mass culling of humanity via plagues and state sanctioned bio-terrorism, in order to "save" the earth from the disease of humanity. Nazi-like genocial population control measures and the environmental establishment have always held a close alliance.
Global Warming on Pluto Puzzles Scientists
By Robert Roy Britt
Senior Science Writer
posted: 01:25 pm ET
09 October 2002

In what is largely a reversal of an August announcement, astronomers today said Pluto is undergoing global warming in its thin atmosphere even as it moves farther from the Sun on its long, odd-shaped orbit.

[gaye5]

Are humans responsible for climate change on the outer reaches of the solar system, or is it the sun?

Paul Joseph Watson
Thursday, November 16, 2006

How do we square the fact that almost every planet in our solar system is simultaneously undergoing temperature change.

- Space.com: Global Warming on Pluto Puzzles Scientists
In what is largely a reversal of an August announcement, astronomers today said Pluto is undergoing global warming in its thin atmosphere even as it moves farther from the Sun on its long, odd-shaped orbit.

- Space.com: New Storm on Jupiter Hints at Climate Change
The latest images could provide evidence that Jupiter is in the midst of a global change.

- Current Science & Technology Center: Global Warming on Mars?
A study of the ice caps on Mars may show that the red planet is experiencing a warming trend.

- Science Agogo: Global Warming Detected on Triton
"At least since 1989, Triton has been undergoing a period of global warming," confirms astronomer James Elliot, professor of Earth, Atmospheric and Planetary Sciences at Massachusetts Institute of Technology.

- Associated Press: Study says sun getting hotter
Solar radiation reaching the Earth is 0.036 percent warmer than it was in 1986, when the current solar cycle was beginning, a researcher reports in a study to be published Friday in the journal Science. The finding is based on an analysis of satellites that measure the temperature of sunlight.
And more on next post

[thgdriver]

If you were to come back in 100 years' time, we'll have a different climate."

If I had the power to come back in 100 years, I don't think I would be very worried about the climate or anything else..

[pensacola8-2009]

Not all science is junk science as some think. A few years ago, when some volcanoes were erupting, scientists actually reported a slight cooling in the temperatures on a global scale. I think the earliest reports in the 60's and 70's about green-house warming and thermal-runaway are clouding the thoughts of some listeners about global warming. The ideas are similar, but based on different supporting evidence. There are even some listeners who recall the massive ozone hole in the southern hemisphere that some people think allows the global warming to occur more rapidly in the south pole, than the north pole. The more ideas we hear, the less we beleive, but as we learned, it wasn't raining when Noah was building the ark.

[olgreyghost]

www.LewRockwell.com/giles/giles15

Try it, some of you will like it!

[nothappyatall]

Yes, global warming and ice ages do have cycles, but the LAST cycle occurred LONG before there were 300 MILLION people in USA and the total population of humans on the planet was probably a million spread out over the entire globe.

ALL, as in every single dinosaur, Wooly mammoth, giant raptors died out, not even one survived whatever happened 65 million years ago.

[olgreyghost]

huskerarmy:

It's childish, greedy, selfish, and it makes you nothing more than a thug if you believe you have the right to tell others how they should live their lives and back it up with government force. You are no better than the "Big Oil" that you keep complaining about - wanting to have it your way no matter who it harms or who it eventually kills in the name of uncertain science.

[nothappyatall]

The ocean levels rising is of no consequence to anyone other than those who live on the coast or shallow islands, someone in North Dakota is not going to be the least affected by the rise of the oceans 20 inches 1500 miles away.
Hurricanes hit the coasts, if the beaches and coasts are 10 or 20" under water and a stronger hurricane hits there it won't matter- people won't be able to live there in the first place because of the water.

In any case the changes will not be that great during our lives and once we are dead it won't matter what happens HERE, we'll be dead long before.

Best way to stop global warming is DONT have kids, forgetabout reducing your driving 5 miles a week, recycling your plastic soda bottles and newspapers or switching your reading lamp off to save 5 watts- the situation has gone FAR beyond this piddling little nothing actions to have any effect on. It took 150 years to get here, all through the heavy industrial coal burning and forest clear cutting/slash burning, switching your light off in the den is not going to reverse any of that in the least, it's like a little boy peeing in lake Michigan is- I'm sure- going to affect the lake level, that's the comparison.

[frankly6]

The National Academy of Sciences reviewed every published, peer-reviewed, scientific, study done on Global Warming in the last ten years. 100% of these studies agreed on three things:

1.GLOBAL WARMING IS REAL

2. THE CONSEQUENCES OF GLOBAL WARMING WILL BE DEVESTATING TO ALL LIFE ON THIS PLANET

3. GLOBAL WARMING IS CAUSED BY MAN

The scientific community has been united on this for years. The so-called debate is just a misinformation campaign funded by the fossil fuel industries who stand to lose a lot of money as we switch to more sustainable ways of living.

This is not a political issue people. It's an issue of survival.

[sharncedar]

" degree which the earth as we know it will not be able to rebound"

It is funny how the kooks keep saying that the "whole world" is doomed by global warming, when really it is only the highest level of technical and decadent society that is doomed - the wealthiest few, and the most useless people. This is like Bush saying the "whole world" is doomed if he doesn't get his way in Iraq. Hyperbole that makes you all look like liars or idiots.

[sharncedar]

This civilization, frankly, doesn't deserve to survive. The human race will go on, hopefully with a more de-centralized and interesting culture. We don't need to perpetuate idiots like Donald Trump and Miss USA for another century.

[andromeda5]

cdegolier,

You wrote "My side is simply trying to point out the facts that global warming has happened before us and before big oil and will continue whether or not we are here."

My question to you is this..." What harm does it do to your 'life-style' to think that this episode of global warming is caused by humans?

You also point out that global warming will continue whether or not we are here. Actually it seems that when all is said and done the Earth in its final throes will be totally scorched by the sun anyway...

Another scenario would be that the predictions that you are reading about could be conservative. Although I have no credentials to prove or disprove any of the following, it has been estimated that the temperatures on Mercury hover at about 350 degrees F., while on Venus they are nearer 800 degrees F, even though Venus is much farther away from the sun than is Mercury. It is also known that the atmosphere on Venus is highly made up of greenhouse gases. As such, if we fool around with our only home too much, the temperature rise could far exceed the 10 degree mark that is proposed... How about 100 degrees, would that cause you and yours to change your habits?

Is global warming real ? Even if it isn't why wait for its possibility to come about and why not find alternate sources that will not add greenhouse gases to the atmosphere? Unless of course you are a member of the oil consortiums of the world... in which case I have no comments...

[duffyn]

The big hole in the arguement below that global warming happened before (before big oil) is that, yes, it has, but this time due to the green house gases, it is going to be much much worse!! I.E. all the ice will melt so sea levels will rise much higher. Ocean temperatures will be higher than a normal global warming so the storms will be way more severe. The bigger ocean storms than push the higher sea levels and ruin more and more structures along the coast. New York will be history. Is this more important than terrorism? Yes!

[huskerarmy]

cdegolier,

You are correct. Global warming occurs in cycles. That is not the issue. The issue is that we (mankind) are contributing to it's intensity to a degree which the earth as we know it will not be able to rebound. As far as me living an "oil free" life. I do not. And no one said that all oil use is bad. Although I have long recognized the rights affinity for absolutes, I don't have any proclivity to take on the problem of global warming single handedly. Your point is moot. Regardless, mankind created this problem and mankind will have to solve it. By the way, do you drink water directly out of the river since it was those commie liberals who passed safe water standards?