9 Held In Alleged U.K. Terror Plot

Media Say Plan Was To Torture, Behead British Muslim Soldier, Broadcast Killing Online

(CBS/AP) 
Twelve houses and four business — including two Muslim bookstores and an Internet cafe — were cordoned off in the raids in Birmingham, which opened fresh divides in the city's predominantly Pakistani neighborhoods.

"People don't trust their own children any more," said Shabir Hussain, chairman of the Ludlow Road Mosque in Birmingham, a city of 1 million in central England.

"You feel like you should challenge your son or daughter: 'Where are you going at night? What are you watching on TV? What are you doing on the Internet?'" he said.

Last year, a man was shot by police in London during a raid, sparking complaints from Muslim communities across the country.

Mohammed Majid, 30, watched as police barged into the house before dawn.

"At 4 a.m. I heard a loud bang. I looked through the window and thought it was a fire. I saw anti-terrorism police with shields and guns. They broke windows and doors and raided the place. The took an (South) Asian man with a beard who was in his 30s away in handcuffs. He looked dazed."

Counter-terrorism experts say Islamic extremists are looking for new ways to rattle the West with their use of the Web to broadcast propaganda and unsettling images such as the beheadings of Western hostages in Iraq.

One widely publicized kidnap-slaying was that of 62-year-old Kenneth Bigley from Liverpool. He was abducted in September 2004 from a Baghdad suburb and beheaded three weeks later. His death was captured on video.

London's counterterrorism officers had never before dealt with a terrorist plot to abduct and murder, a police spokeswoman said on condition of anonymity because of the ongoing investigation.

The Irish Republican Army and other Northern Ireland paramilitary groups routinely conducted kidnappings, mainly for the purpose of extortion — often targeting family members of those with access to banks, British military installations and police stations.

"The police and government seem to be against Muslims and are trying to turn us against one another," said Kadir Mohammad, 18, who lives in one of the raided neighborhoods.

Britain's MI5 has said it set up a network of eight new regional offices in the wake of the Sept. 11 attacks in the U.S, including one in central England.

Prime Minister Tony Blair's official spokesman declined to comment on the police operation.

Sky TV reported that British investigators contacted Pakistani intelligence agents four days ago about the plot. The Foreign Office would not confirm there were such discussions.

In Islamabad, Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Tasnim Aslam said British authorities confirmed there was no Pakistan connection.

[jimibear]

"Jimibear, you are indeed an idiot - Bill Clinton's speeches relative to Iraq are very much available for you to review - as are the economic figures for the last few years. Wow - normally I'd just go down your list of points & refute them one by one... but your lack of understanding is so profound - I can only dismiss you as being a stupid individual
Posted by dogsoul at 03:15 PM : Jan 31, 2007
+ report this comment"

Dogsoul, what are you talking about? I have posted nothhing regarding Clinton or economics on this thread.

Maybe you are the idiot? It's certainly not me.

[jimibear]

(cont.)

How many of those do you think ever thought or planned to attack us? This business of "Allah teaches them to hate" is as much of a lie as, apparently, "Jesus teaches us to love" is. I'd love to think it was that simple, but frankly, no Muslim I have ever spoken too agrees with the radical Islam position, and Christians (like you, I'm afraid, Rick) use their religion as carte blanche to kill Arabs.

And Rick, what saddens me is that with all your Bible knowledge and obvious intelligence, you lack the insight to realize that you are espousing a position of religious intolerance which is leading to more death than the 9/11 terrorists could have imagined.

We are encouraging the fringe radical Muslims who already hated us for irrational reasons, and making a whole lot of moderate people hate us for very valid reasons. We are handling this war on terror in the most stupid, harmful and far-worse-than-useless way imaginable.

In fact, it only makes sense if the objective Bush has in mind is fullscale war with Islam as a whole. According to you, though, I suppose that will be inevitable because it's the great battle between good and evil.

How handy religion is when you are looking for an excuse to destroy the human race. Jesus and Mohammed both would weep.

[jimibear]

"-ok jimibear, with your reasoning here, how do you explain 9-11-01?? We didn't do anything to them for them to come over here and attack us and kill thousands of innocent Americans."

Well, we did, for one thing, or at least our leaders did. Study the history of the Middle East for the last 75 years and then tell me they have no reason to hate the US.

But even so, what the hell does this have to do with Iraq? They weren't involved in 9/11, everyone knew they weren't, and yet we went in there anyway. 3000 people died in 9/11, about 2000 of them Americans. Even the most conservative estimates of Iraqi dead in this war are 150-200,000 and the UN estimates 650,000. Include the half-million dead in the first Gulf War, and we've killed over a million. That's about 1 Iraqi in 25. Oh, but we haven't done anything to make Muslims hate us. Oh no.

[j-whitman]

IT'S YOUR WORD THAT'S SICK RICK VERY SICK -- GO TO BESSEMER

[j-whitman]

PRAY OUR TROOPS DON'T DIE FOR BUSH GD VANITY AS THEY HAVE BEEN --- DON'T BOTHER OTHERWISE, I DON'T WANT IT

[j-whitman]

If your concerned, open your eyes & see the work of Satan Bush

[j-whitman]

Good *** night

[j-whitman]

Screw your sickass version of the truth you blind SOB

[j-whitman]

Singinrick,, Then start obeying God's laws -- Go to Bessemer, Alabama - See my cousin Aneice Wilson have her show you my aunt Ester & what your SOB Bush has done,,,, Take some food & medicine with you, they are not the only ones who need it.

[j-whitman]

Open your eyes & see the devistated familys, your great Christian Bush caused.

[cantshutup]

g'nite suckers, the deciders comin for us all

[j-whitman]

Singinrick,,, Please take a drive to Bessemer, Alabama. I have family there, open your eyes & look at what Bush's lies cause.

[cantshutup]

THE DRAFT IS HERE. Universal Nat'l Service Act of 2007.
NOT TO ALARM YOU OR ANYTHING. Just passing this along.

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/
query/z?c110:H.R.393:

Universal National Service Act of 2007 (Introduced in House)
HR 393 IH
110th CONGRESS
1st Session
H. R. 393
To require all persons in the United States between the ages of 18 and 42 to perform national service, either as a member of the uniformed services or in civilian service in furtherance of the national defense and homeland security, to authorize the induction of persons in the uniformed services during wartime to meet end-strength requirements of the uniformed services, to amend the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 to make permanent the favorable treatment afforded combat pay under the earned income tax credit, and for other purposes.
IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
January 10, 2007

[cantshutup]

where's my bible? like i said, the pages make great smokin papers...! i'll think of singinprick and what a bad rap satan got as i inhale

[j-whitman]

Well over 3,000 American's are dead thousands permanantly wounded, not counting thousands of dead women, children & elderly are dead because of Bush's lies.... You fall in the draft age, you can't hide from Bush's lies.

[cantshutup]

i guess you think you're some sort of authority singinrick...i grew up in a christian home, my stepdad was a minister...that's where i learned the hypocracy of religion...no one will ever convince me after growing up around these religious wack jobs...i've seen it first hand dude, in 30 yrs experience i can't think of one religious person i've ever met who wasn't full of sh*t or didn't need some sort of prescription...don't preach to me, i know what i'm talking about...RELIGION IS THE OPIUM OF THE PEOPLE

[j-whitman]

Bush's lies effect all of us even you.

[j-whitman]

God's own green, my ancestors grew in 1765 South Carolina.

[j-whitman]

Can't,, I've tried book pages for papers, uh-uh Zig Zag's for me bro.

[j-whitman]

Can'tshutup,,, I used to be Southern Baptist -- I just want him to leave his community open his eyes & see real truth, in his face truth.