S.D. Mulls Ban On Nearly All Abortions

Bill Would Allow Exceptions For Rape, Incest; Anti-Abortion Activists Hope Law Will Challenge Roe V. Wade

(AP)  A bill to ban abortion introduced Wednesday in the South Dakota state House of Representatives would allow exceptions for rape and incest, but only if the crimes are reported to authorities with DNA evidence.

People who oppose abortion hope the measure becomes the vehicle for a legal challenge to the 1973 Roe v. Wade decision by the U.S. Supreme Court, which legalized abortion broadly across the United States except in the last months of pregnancy.

A South Dakota bill passed last year contained an exception only to save the life of a woman. A petition campaign forced that bill onto the ballot and voters rejected it in November by a margin of 56 percent to 44 percent.

Opponents of the legislation have said the issue was settled in the November election and lawmakers should not have revived it.

This year's bill would allow rape victims to get abortions if they report the rapes to police within 50 days. Doctors would have to confirm the report with police and would have to take blood from aborted fetuses and give that information to police for DNA testing.

In the case of incest, a doctor would have to get the woman's consent to report the crime along with the identity of the alleged perpetrator before an abortion could be performed. Blood samples from fetuses would have to be provided to police in incest cases, too.

Abortions could be done only until the 17th week of pregnancy in cases of incest and rape.

One of the 25 sponsors, Republican state Rep. Gordon Howie, said the rape and incest provisions are strict to ensure that women do not say they have been victims in order to obtain abortions.

The bill carries a tougher maximum penalty for illegal abortions than last year's bill — 10 years in prison instead of five.

It would allow abortions to save women's lives and in cases in which their health would be seriously jeopardized by a continued pregnancy. However, a doctor could perform an abortion only if a doctor from another practice concurs that a woman's health is in jeopardy.

In Utah, a state House committee voted 6-2 on Tuesday to ban abortion, setting the stage for a costly legal battle if the bill clears the Legislature and is signed into law. The committee sent the measure to the full House.

Utah Attorney General Mark Shurtleff said the bill likely is unconstitutional and if it becomes law could be costly to defend against any legal challenges.

In the November election, abortion-rights supporters prevailed in defeating two other state ballot measures — parental-notification requirements in Oregon and California.

In several other states, including Oklahoma and Texas, conservatives are pushing new bills that would outlaw abortion in the event Roe vs. Wade is overturned.

The federal election in November eased abortion-rights groups' concerns about the prospect of the Supreme Court overturning the Roe decision. The newly Democratic-controlled Senate could ensure that any vacancy on the Supreme Court over the next two years would be filled by a supporter of abortion rights.

[teeus]

I say I was a fetus or an embeyo or a gleam in my father's eye.

I have issues with those laws for exatcly those reasons. It might be a baby at the age of viabilty, but it's not a baby at 6 weeks.

"IF NOT, well, let's just put it out of it's misery and out of Mommy's mind, would you mind throwing this "specimen" away Nurse Ratchet?"

And you can stow that ***, too. Did you miss the previous post when I mentioned my handicapped son? I would never never never impose my will on another woman.

[legendary240]

So, you say that you were a grub, worm, larva, or worse before you are born? That's beyond rational thought. Question: Why is it a DOUBLE charge of murder, manslaughter, vehicular homicide, etc. when a pregnant female is the victim, REGARDLESS, of her trimester or weeks? Hmmm? That's awfully strange that the only thing separating what LIFE is and what LIFE is not is simply whether the MOTHER kills the child or ANOTHER person kills it. That is the hypocrisy - an awfully convenient hypocrisy! If it's just up to Mommy, then one day they will be able to have the child, have it "evaluted" for how much potential it may or may not have. If she's pleased - she'll take the child home. IF NOT, well, let's just put it out of it's misery and out of Mommy's mind, would you mind throwing this "specimen" away Nurse Ratchet? That is no more sicker than what they do in these late-term abortions.

[teeus]

A child can most certainly be a trap. They shouldn't be--I agree. Every child should be wanted and loved. But that's not the reality of things.

They don't fear what it's doing to "the child." Because it's not a child yet.

And yes, I most certainly can refute what you say. The only thing following me around is my handicapped son.

[legendary240]

A child is not a trap. Shame, fear and guilt are the traps that women fear to the point that they disconnect with their very nature and resort to such a terrible option to escape those feelings. The problem is that they just follow you for the rest of your life anyway and the child is never born. Hva eyou had an abortion? You don't have ground to refute this if not.

[legendary240]

I would agree with you that no sane woman is ecstatic about having instruments of death inserted into her womb. It's scary. But do they fear what they are doing to the child? Self-concern was what made me do this horrible thing.

[teeus]

"I meant that people who are so "for it" should really understand what they are for. "

Oh, I totally agree that people should know what they are for or against. Just like you shouldn't be allowed to peddle dribble as facts.

Nobody thinks abortion is wonderful. Women don%u2019t want an abortion like they want ice cream. They want one like an animal wants to gnaw it%u2019s leg off to escape a trap.

[legendary240]

I can't understand the mentality. The twisted little doctor that delivered my little girl said to us; "A baby is only a parasite living off of your body." He could have cared less if my little girl was alive or dead. I picture someone just like him that aborted my child that I will see again one day - God is merciful! Until you have been there facing an abortion you are just clueless.

[legendary240]

Teeus, no I didn't go in there- you can't. But I opened my wallet and drove her to the place so they could do it. I hated myself for the longest time after that and it messed her up pretty bad too. God has given both of us mercy, forgiveness and our families back. I meant that people who are so "for it" should really understand what they are for.

[legendary240]

Randal -had no idea you are a vet too. My whole family except for the womenfolk are either US Army or USMC. I thank you for your sacrifice brother.

[teeus]

"All of you who think it so wonderful should go to your nearest clinic and ask to sit through several abortions and get in there real close so you can see the child moving."

Oh, like you have? You've been allowed to "sit through" procedures and "see the child moving"? What a load of steaming poo.

[legendary240]

Good night Randal and don't think for a minute I regard you with contempt or look down on you. We just have a difference of opinion. That's cool with me.

[legendary240]

Randal, beer, cursing, none of that stuff bothers me and God is too merciful to kill you for that. If that was so, he would have killed me when I was three years old, passed out drunk with a big old Pabst Blue Ribbon on the floor beside me. I have no idea how much I drank before I went out.

[randalds]

Long night at work and another coming up tonight. Got to get some sleep.

[randalds]

Old Sarge (usmcsgt) calls you his "brother atheist" and says he is here to "protect" you from being corrupted by me. Oooo...I'm the boogie-man.
Posted by legendary240 at 04:52 PM : Feb 01, 2007

Sarge calls me that to identify with me mostly as a fellow vet. Also because some people, esp religious people, can't grasp the idea of a non-organization, so he puts it in terms they'll understand. It's not meant as a statement of membership in anything other then friendship.

[randalds]

Randal, I don't want to endorse them but anyone could Google 'em up Alabama+Atheist - you'll find them and they are not alone, there are tons of "evangelistic" atheists out there. Ever heard of Madylene Murray O'Hare? I can't spell her name right but I think she had an agenda - remember?
Posted by legendary240 at 04:49 PM : Feb 01, 2007

They are not atheists. Can't be. They can call themselves anything they like, but if they are organized into a group then, by definition, they are not atheists. there is no docterine of atiests. No shared set of beliefs. As I said before "we're" not even a we. There is no us.

[legendary240]

Old Sarge (usmcsgt) calls you his "brother atheist" and says he is here to "protect" you from being corrupted by me. Oooo...I'm the boogie-man.

[randalds]

Jesus Christ is the Son of the Living God - He was crucified, entombed, He rose to life on the third day and lives to intercede for ALL who call upon Him in faith - believing that He is the ONLY way of salvation. That's my mission.

Posted by legendary240 at 04:41 PM : Feb 01, 2007

Your "mission" is a crock of shi*t. (drumming my fingers....waiting to get struck by lightening...waiting....waiting....waiting....fu*ck it think I'll grab a beer while waiting for god to get around to kicking my as*s......).

Believe in the fairy tale if you choose to, that's your right. it's not your right to make me or my life or my country conform to your beliefs. That's what separation of church and state is all about.

[legendary240]

Randal, I don't want to endorse them but anyone could Google 'em up Alabama+Atheist - you'll find them and they are not alone, there are tons of "evangelistic" atheists out there. Ever heard of Madylene Murray O'Hare? I can't spell her name right but I think she had an agenda - remember?

[randalds]

Jesus Christ is the Son of the Living God - He was crucified, entombed, He rose to life on the third day and lives to intercede for ALL who call upon Him in faith - believing that He is the ONLY way of salvation. That's my mission.
Posted by legendary240 at 04:41 PM : Feb 01, 2007

Jesus Christ was a wise man, but a deluded one. he could not by the son of god because there is no god. Never was. If your god works for you and helps you get through the night, fine. A good bottle of fine wine can do the same thing for me and I don't have to tithe it. However your right to your belief ends where my right to think otherwise begins. You do not have a right to foist your religious beliefs on this country or it's laws. Thank god. ;-)

[randalds]

Randal, sorry for your speech impediment, I didn't know. I have first-hand knowledge of groups of atheists who collaborate about how to spread the atheist agenda and belief in nothing. It's really weird, kind of a denial thing - I guess they don't invite you to their events? I'll give you directions, dates and times if you want to join their Church of Zip-Nad-Nuthin if you'd like. It's in Alabama, so go ahead, slam the south too while you are at it.
Posted by legendary240 at 04:36 PM : Feb 01, 2007

Crock of sh*it. If they are "organized" they are not atheists. That's an oxymoron, like Bush and intelligence in the same sentence. Just doesn't make sense.