Dec. 30, 2007

Get Me The Geeks!

How Tricky Technology Is Giving Rise To The Geeks

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    The increasingly complicated electronics our society relies on have given rise to the geeks, the essential technicians who set up our gadgets. Steve Kroft reports.


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(CBS)  David Pogue, who has authored computer books and writes a weekly technology column for The New York Times, says the revolution is still a work in progress.

"Part of the problem, when it comes to computers at least, is that there are so many cooks for what you are using. Microsoft made the operating system, some company in Taiwan made the equipment, you’re running software from a company in California, and now you're installing the driver for a digital camera from a fourth company. You know, what are the odds that all of these are going to work flawlessly together for all 400 million people who have PCs? Zip," Pogue says.

"So, what do you do?" Kroft asks.

"You get unhappy. You develop software rage," Pogue says.

Anyone who has ever called a toll free help line knows what David Pogue is talking about, and it doesn’t seem to make any difference whether you are talking to someone in Delhi or Dallas.

Software companies will try and convince you it’s a hardware problem and hardware companies will do the reverse. According to one survey, 29 percent of all callers swear at their customer service representative, 21 percent just scream. The rest presumably are too exhausted to do either.

All the inconvenience and stress are a hidden tax on the low, low price you initially paid for the computer - the profit margin doesn’t allow for customer service.

"Honestly, where do you go if you can’t get it work? People buy this stuff and then [get] dropped. Where do they go for help?" Pogue asks.

It is this market niche that the geeks have filled. With more and more households discovering a need for tech support, they’ve become as valuable as a good plumber or electrician. On the low end, there are teenagers like Brandon von Koschembahr, who will be happy to come over and bail you out as long as it doesn’t conflict with his shift at Starbucks. He can do it all, lives right down the street and his rates are reasonable - small market share.

On the high end, there is Paul Austi, geek to the stars. He will buy and install and all your electronics, integrate TV, cable, DVDs, music, climate control and lighting onto a single custom-built remote that even Kroft could operate. And all of this can be had for just a few hundred thousand dollars.

"How hard is it for an average person to go into a store and buy a high-def TV set and come back and work it," Kroft asks.

"I would say, in my client base, it would probably be less than five percent," Austi says.

Robert Stephens of the Geek Squad says more than a third of the wireless routers and modems purchased at Best Buy are returned because people think they are just too complicated.

"There's the do-it-yourselfers. There's the do-it-for-me. And what we're discovering is the even bigger market of ‘I-thought-I-could-it-myself’ crowd," Stephens tells Kroft.

New York school teacher David Barkhymer, who considers himself a bit of geek, fell into the last category: he spent three days trying to hook up his new 32 inch HDTV, plodding through menus and a manual that was almost certainly written by Korean engineers.

He finally gave up and sought profession help.

Dr. Donald Norman is an uber-geek - a professor at Northwestern University and one of the preeminent engineers in the country. He helped set the technical standards for high definition television in the U.S., but he had to hire a geek to set up his own TV.

"When people call up geeks to come and fix something or install it, a lot of them seem very apologetic for not being able to do it. Should they be apologetic?" Kroft asks.

"Absolutely not. No, it's not their fault. It's the damned designers of this stuff who have no understanding of real people, everyday people," Norman says.

Dr. Norman says the technology changes so fast and the competitive pressures are so great that products are pushed into the marketplace before engineers had a chance to simplify them.

"Someone complained to me, ‘You'd need a degree, an engineering degree from MIT, to work this damn thing,’" Norman says. "Well, I have an engineering degree from MIT. And I couldn't work it."

Continued



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by search4truth-2009 January 3, 2008 12:53 AM EST
STWARS,

Go to MicroSoft and get the cd driver, save it to a directory (write down the location) uninstall the old drive, if there is one and install the newly downloaded one. Just choose the right operating system ( XP, Vista, whatever) for the driver you get.
Co a quick look I found all of them at http://www.cdrom-drivers.com/companies/667.htm
Good luck!
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by search4truth-2009 January 3, 2008 12:47 AM EST
STWARS,

Sounds like you don''t have the driver installed. Can Windows "find it" in a search by drive letter?

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by efajp January 1, 2008 4:59 PM EST
I was appalled to see your "free ad" for the Geek Squad, with a positive spin. We called the Geek Squad last year, and were told they would fix anything that was wrong with our computer and guarantee it for 30 days for $229. The Geeks left our computer with MANY more problems than they cured, then refused to come back and repair their damage unless we paid an additional $249. We found this was not an isolated incident. Our State Atty. Gneral''s consumer division had a huge number of complaints, and friends and family across the country had only negative things to say about the Geek Squad. We learned that the best computer techs do not need to advertise, since they get referred by word of mouth from satisfied customers. The ones who advertise the most do the worst job and need a steady stream of new customers since they get almost n repeat business. I hope you will do a follow-up on this!
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by michellem99-2009 January 1, 2008 3:00 AM EST
I heard nothing but bad about Best Buy and computers as they had a news article about them on the local news. Yer got conned dear..
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by stwars December 31, 2007 6:45 PM EST
My opinion of Geek Squad is not that high. I''ve experienced enough difficulty working with them to get the DVD-RW drive on my computer working again to last me a lifetime. My DVD-RW drive broke down, and I called Geek Squad to fix it. Since I bought the computer at Best Buy, along with a three-year service plan, the repair wouldn''t cost me anything. The agent replaced the broken drive with a brand new drive, and powered up the computer. But the new one isn''t working correctly either. Anytime a disk, any type of disk, is placed in the drive, nothing happens. The only way the drive works is as a way to "boot" the computer from a CD or DVD. Windows recognizes that the drive is thee, but for some unknown reason, can''t get the drive to work. Geek Squad said that the problem was with Windows, and a reformat of the hard drive and a re-install of the Windows software and device drivers would correct this issue. They wanted $129.00 to do the work (software problems are not coveed by the service contract, only hardware), with no guarantee that this would solve the problem. I did the work myself (only because they assured me that this would fix the problem), and the problem still exists. So, thanks alot Geek Squad. You''ve really helped. NOT!!!
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by kazablan13 December 31, 2007 6:09 PM EST
why spending fortune on these geeks when you can find a solution for any problem on Fixya?

That site is powered by an army of kees who are happy to assist free of charge, on many products the geeks have no knowledge on.

Check it out www.fixya.com
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by jim727 December 31, 2007 2:56 PM EST
I think NBC''s ''Chuck'' (a ''nerd herd'' worker at ''Buy More'') is probably a much more realistic portrayal of ''Geek Squad''. A degrading dead end for people who could have been more
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by jim727 December 31, 2007 2:06 PM EST
First of all, this is nothing but a thinly veiled advertisement for Best Buy, ie an infomercial. Not journalism.

Secondly, it''s a perfect example of how political correctness is not about treating people decently, it''s about promoting and demoting classes of people arbitrarily. Some offensive words will ruin your career, but others can be used with impunity. ''Geek'' is a perfect example of this.

Years ago, the model of a technology consultant was Arthur Andersen, Peat Marwick or Ernst & Young. It was based on the Big 8- 6- 4 image, conservative, well dressed and polished.

But the media created ''Geek'' image is very self serving, companies are ''letting'' their workers work for free on weekends.

Whereas CBS''s Leslie Stahl once did a story in the early 1990s about the truth of H-1b visas, not her peices just fawn all over India''s ''superior'' ITT in a ''Brand ITT'' that was full of borderline racist lies.

Another term has come into being in the last 10 years, ''Mainsteam media'', and the conotations are NOT ''Edward R Murrow''. More like corporate, politically correct propaganda.

This story being a perfect example.



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by gadget08-2009 December 31, 2007 12:50 PM EST
We think Geeks are an unnecessary expense when you can sign up for Gadget Protection Plans from companies like Gadget Guardians in the U.S. and Gizmo Guard in the U.K.
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by gadget08-2009 December 31, 2007 12:49 PM EST
We think Geeks are an unnecessary expense when you can sign up for Gadget Protection Plans from companies like Gadget Guardians in the U.S. and Gizmo Guard in the U.K.
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by mxhdrm December 31, 2007 4:12 AM EST
The funny thing about this segment is that they are showing errors on the screen during the tech support calls. Well the first error on the screen is an error normal people would never get. It''s an error that would only appear if your programming. It says that you missed a ";" on line thirty of your program. What normal non-geek would be programming? Sorry to say, they wouldn''t be getting that message. Next time put errors that non-geeks would actually get.
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by mxhdrm December 31, 2007 4:10 AM EST
The funny thing about this segment is that they are showing errors on the screen during the tech support calls. Well the first error on the screen is an error normal people would never get. It''s an error that would only appear if your programming. It says that you missed a ";" on line thirty of your program. What normal non-geek would be programming? Sorry to say, they wouldn''t be getting that message. Next time put errors that non-geeks would actually get.
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by mxhdrm December 31, 2007 4:08 AM EST
The funny thing about this segment is that they are showing errors on the screen during the tech support calls. Well the first error on the screen is an error normal people would never get. It''s an error that would only appear if your programming. It says that you missed a ";" on line thirty of your program. What normal non-geek would be programming? Sorry to say, they wouldn''t be getting that message. Next time put errors that non-geeks would actually get.
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by mxhdrm December 31, 2007 4:06 AM EST
The funny thing about this segment is that they are showing errors on the screen during the tech support calls. Well the first error on the screen is an error normal people would never get. It''s an error that would only appear if your programming. It says that you missed a ";" on line thirty of your program. What normal non-geek would be programming? Sorry to say, they wouldn''t be getting that message. Next time put errors that non-geeks would actually get.
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by mxhdrm December 31, 2007 4:03 AM EST
The funny thing about this segment is that they are showing errors on the screen during the tech support calls. Well the first error on the screen is an error normal people would never get. It''s an error that would only appear if your programming. It says that you missed a ";" on line thirty of your program. What normal non-geek would be programming? Sorry to say, they wouldn''t be getting that message. Next time put errors that non-geeks would actually get.
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by brianbwb-2009 December 31, 2007 3:20 AM EST
...seems ridiculous to this geek.
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by brianbwb-2009 December 31, 2007 3:19 AM EST
Posted by jackt21

I am a repair geek. I have seen just as many Macs needing repair, the difference being that because Macs are closed systems, you can only get parts from Apple, and often the cost is just a hundred or so less than buying a new machine, and the wait time for parts is two to six weeks.

Apple''s business model seems to be "pay twice as much for a Mac, if you have problems, trash it, and buy a new one, if you''re not rich enough for us, tough luck, buy a PC"

Which, now that Macs are "Intel inside" anyway, even emulating winblows systems in order to run Micro$oft on a system costing twice as much as a native PC.
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by brianbwb-2009 December 31, 2007 3:07 AM EST
Posted by Traysea1

20 years worth? That data must exist somewhere else, because there is no way you have been using the same laptop for 20 years, methinks thou dost protest too big.

Even if it was true, you could probably backed it up to a few DVD+DLs (over 9 gb per disk), your failure to do this simple and often advised bit of maintenance is what lost your data, not the repairman.

HDDs crash, dude, they have at best three to five year warranties, as do the electronics, didn''t you RTFM and the warranty card?
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by zebulum1 December 31, 2007 2:18 AM EST
well i am not a geek but i do know that very soon thers gona be a scvercale procesor cupoled along withe the fiber optic plasma indused dioed wich we now call spintronickes and ther will be know more grafiet or mettel composits we will use lastic glass composits and the speed of the two will bethat of a nuro transmitter not unlike the human mind but just a bit faster bayond light speed witch will then give us a new look into pure energy called teloportation ive exsperinced thes twice in my 40 years as a high school drop out and ive bilt the two pcs i use in my home windos xp sp2 230gig 1.70 mhz pntium 4 so readem and wep big money i geues u need people like us mentaly ill folkes so its not what u no but that god is your father alexander usa alaska
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by Wookiee-1138 December 31, 2007 12:46 AM EST
"But there''s no sense crying
over every mistake.
You just keep on trying
till you run out of cake.
And the Science gets done"
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