BAGHDAD, Dec. 26, 2006

U.S. Troop Deaths In Iraq Exceed 9/11 Toll

Military Announces Deaths Of 7 More GIs; 54 Iraqis Killed In Other Attacks

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      A U.S. soldier from the 5th Battalion, 20th Infantry Regiment looks on during an anti-American demonstration in Baghdad, Dec. 25, 2006. Soldiers went house to house searching for weapons, touching off a protest that forced them to cut the mission short in some parts of the city.  (AP Photo/Dark Vojinovic)

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      A U.S. soldier from the 5th Battalion, 20th Infantry Regiment looks on during an anti-American demonstration in Baghdad, Monday, Dec. 25, 2006.  (AP Photo/Darko Vojinovic)

    • In this picture provided by the British Army, soldiers stand in the remains of the Jameat police station in Basra, Dec. 25, 2006 which was destroyed in an explosion following a raid. Photo

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(CBS/AP)  The U.S. military announced the deaths of seven American soldiers Tuesday, raising the U.S. death toll since the beginning of the Iraq war to at least 2,978 — five more than the number of people killed in the Sept. 11 attacks in the U.S.

At least 54 Iraqis also died in bombings on Tuesday, officials said, including a coordinated strike that killed 25 in western Baghdad.

The three coordinated car bombs in western Baghdad injured at least 55 people, a doctor at Yarmouk hospital, where the victims were taken, said on condition of anonymity because of safety concerns. The attacks occurred in a mixed Sunni and Shiite neighborhood.

In other attacks, a car bomb exploded near a Sunni mosque in northern Baghdad at the beginning of the evening rush hour, killing 17 people and wounding 35, a doctor at Al-Nuaman hospital said on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to speak to the media.

A bomb also exploded in a central Baghdad market, killing four people and wounding 15, police said. Two roadside bombs targeted an Iraqi police patrol in an eastern neighborhood of the capital, killing four policemen and injuring 12 people.

In Kirkuk, 180 miles north of the Iraqi capital, a roadside bomb killed three civilians — including an 8-year-old girl — and wounded six other people, police said.

The tragic milestone for the U.S. military was reached with the deaths of seven soldiers Monday and Tuesday in bombings and other violence in the war-torn country.

Tuesday, a bomb killed three American soldiers and wounded one northwest of Baghdad.

"The patrol was conducting a route clearance mission when a roadside bomb exploded near them," the military said.

Two of the soldiers killed Monday were in their vehicle when a roadside bomb went off southwest of Baghdad, the military said.

"The joint patrol was conducting security operations in order to stop terrorists from placing roadside bombs in the area," it said in a statement on the latest deaths. "As they conducted their mission, a roadside bomb exploded near one of their vehicles."

In a separate incident, another soldier was killed in an explosion while on a foot patrol in the same area, a second statement said. Three soldiers were wounded in the incidents, the military said.

The Sept. 11, 2001, attacks claimed 2,973 victims in New York, Washington and Pennsylvania. Opponents of President Bush have criticized him for raising the attacks as a justification for the protracted fight in Iraq.

Prior to the deaths announced Tuesday, the AP count was 15 higher than the Defense Department's tally, last updated Friday at 10 a.m. EST. At least 2,377 died as a result of hostile action, according to the military's numbers.

CBS News correspondent Randall Pinkston reports that December is already the second deadliest month of 2006 for U.S. forces in Iraq. The depressing question now, Pinkston says, is whether the final figure will exceed October's of 106.

In Washington, White House Deputy Press Secretary Scott Stanzel said Tuesday that Mr. Bush grieves for each member of the armed forces who has died.

"The war on terror is going to be a long struggle," he said. "We will be fighting violent jihadists for the peace and security of the civilized world for many years to come."

The figures came as American troops fought gunmen in a Shiite militia stronghold Tuesday in east Baghdad, according to witnesses. Fighters loyal to anti-American cleric Muqtada al-Sadr were engaged in clashes with U.S. forces in and near Sadr City, an official in al- Sadr's office said on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to speak to the media.

Snipers from both sides were deployed on rooftops and helicopters hovered overhead, he said. Explosions were heard throughout the area.

An Associated Press reporter in the area said U.S. troops exchanged fire with gunmen.

Another sobering statistic; Iraqi officials report that 12,000 national police officers have been killed since the invasion in 2003, says Pinkston

In other developments:

  • An Iraqi appeals court has upheld the death sentence for Saddam Hussein, Iraq's national security adviser said Tuesday. "The appeals court approved the verdict to hang Saddam," said the official, Mouwafak al-Rubaie. The sentence "must be implemented within 30 days," chief judge Aref Shahin. "From tomorrow, any day could be the day of implementation."

  • A top Senate Democrat said he will fight President Bush if the administration decides to send more U.S. troops to Iraq. Sen. Joseph Biden, D-Del., the incoming chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee and a likely presidential candidate, also warned that if congressional Republicans do not join him in speaking out against Mr. Bush that they – not Democrats – will suffer in the 2008 elections.

  • Two senior defense officials say Defense Secretary Robert Gates has signed orders that will send a brigade of the 82nd Airborne Division to Kuwait. The soldiers are expected to be deployed into Iraq early next year. The 82nd Airborne unit, which would include as many as 3,300 soldiers, will replace a Marine unit that had served as the reserve force based in Kuwait but has been deployed into Iraq.

  • The White House said Monday that U.S. troops in Iraq detained at least two Iranians and released two others who had diplomatic immunity. CBS News chief White House correspondent Jim Axelrod reports the Iranians were captured in two raids last week and are suspected of planning attacks on U.S. and Iraqi security forces.

  • British soldiers were on alert for reprisals Tuesday a day after they raided a police station in the southern city of Basra, killing seven gunmen in an effort to stop renegade Iraqi officers from executing their prisoners.

  • Randall Pinkston reports (video) American soldiers at Camp Victory in Baghdad held onto as much of the holiday spirit as they could on Christmas Day, away from home and family.


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    by heetseeker December 26, 2006 4:58 AM PST
    A great tragedy at any time. But moreso now. Condolences to the families.

    Sadly, it doesnot end here. This is merely another "grim milestone." Other milestones such as the first 1,000 US troop and 2,000 dead, have come and gone. In the first few weeks of 2007 we will reach another "grim milestone" when the 3,000th US service-person will die in Iraq.

    Rather than causing this admministration to pause for thought, tragic events are now "milestones", whilst our brave men and women are little more than statistics to be aggregated and collated for reporting purposes.

    For this administration it doesnot matter how many die in Iraq, 3,000, 5,000, 10,000 or more. In their reasoning, the end justifies the means. "Iraq is worth the investment." More will be sent and more will die. More milestones will be reached and more statistics will be collated.

    Afterall, 58,000 died in Vietnam and that milestone is still some way off.

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    by themartyred December 26, 2006 6:26 AM PST
    I could go off on a horribly damning bush rant, but frankly, he damns himself with his policies - so the length of my comment will be about the families who have been desecrated by this war, and their loneliness, worry, fear, and now LOSS of their loved one forever being on their heart. I cannot imagine what that must feel like, as I know what loss of life means to me from medical causes, I hate to imagine what it would feel like from something that could've been avoided.

    God have mercy on our country...
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    by patriotic9 December 26, 2006 6:35 AM PST
    According to Pentagon,there are One Thousand attacks on US troops per week meaning four thousands per month and more then one hundred and fourty attacks per day on average.
    Check out
    www.memri.or
    then click on
    Islamist websites monitor project
    then click on
    Islamist website monitor project #17
    Then click on the video link under
    Islamist videos show bombing in Iraq
    After seeing the sophistication of attacks in these videos by an UNSEEN ENEMY in an UNCONVENTIONAL WARFARE with no FRONT LINE,ENEMY DOESN'T WEAR MILITARY UNIFORM,DON'T FOLLOW GENEVA CONVENTION and determined enough to kill himself and his or her family members to harm US troops,it's beomce very evident and clear that the deaths of only three thousands troops by BUSH and HIS CHRISTIAN FELLOWs is based on LIES and FABRICATION just like Iraq's WMDs and SANTA CLAUSE COMING ON A FLYING DEER to distribute candies.
    If only one soldier gets killed in those attack(which by the way near to impossible)which doesn't only include ROAD SIDE BOMBS but also consist of SUICIDE CAR BOMBINGS,AMBUSHES,etc;number of US soldiers dying every day is atleast more then One hundred and fourty,every week is One thousand and every month is Four thousands.Hididng the real number of deaths is the main reason,why the name of deceased soildiers are with hold .
    After watching the above mentioned link,if any body thinks he or she can give any suggestion to the govt,please do so eventhough I am quite sure BUSH won't listen to anybody.
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    by patriotic9 December 26, 2006 6:37 AM PST
    A writing error
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    by bluestardad December 26, 2006 7:29 AM PST
    All these families should march on washington and demand these war criminals in the bush administration pay for this war.
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    by ihatebush1 December 26, 2006 7:59 AM PST
    I'm so mad I could just spit! Are we fighting a war of attrition? I mean if we're fighting a war of attrition let's call it that. If the Iraq's are waging a civil war [two different parties of opposing political views raising arms against each other within the same country] then let's call it that.

    So if I understand Bush, by what he has said; that we are there to rid that country of terrorist so that they cannot attack us here at home, right? No Bush... WRONG.... VERY WRONG....!

    That argument is too simplistic. First of all Iraq was not a terrorist's wet dream. BUT IT IS NOW, thanks to your simplistic way of thinking. Those who still support Bush or his policies please consider that we are making "the enemy" stronger the longer we are there. They have learned and are still learning how to tactically defeat us. Bush has united our enemies, as well as created new ones; and he%u2019s even provided them a place to get trained. Iraq is a terrorist's wet dream.

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    by ihatebush1 December 26, 2006 8:00 AM PST
    Continued...

    So what is the way forward? How about we stop spending ourselves in blood and treasure into oblivion so that when we are really facing a threat we can defeat it? How 'bout we leave a quick reaction strike force there. Not to drive around getting blown up. But there only to destroy terrorist training camps and give them all the air support they need. We will need troops on the ground to identify targets [not weddings and funerals] but actual camps and any other related military targets.

    I really don't think that our %u201Cquick reaction strike teams will be all that busy though because when we leave; the Iraqi's will be too busy waging their civil war and these "terrorists" will be in their way. The "terrorists" will leave and the "insurgents" will turn their raft on their country-men of the opposing religious sects. In fact the %u2018terrorist will then align themselves per their religious sect drawing in Iran and Syria even more.

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    by ihatebush1 December 26, 2006 8:01 AM PST
    Continued...

    Why can%u2019t we just get out of the way of that? That religious conflict has been going on for centuries. Why should our blood and treasure for the next ten or twenty years be wasted to try and contain it when in the end, it%u2019s going to play itself out based on the religious beliefs of those in that part of the world, NOT OURS.

    What is the goal of this war of attrition? What are we going to get out of this? Will we get a free and stable Iraq that will be our partner in the war against terror? Who out there actually believes that? Accept maybe Bush, Cheney, and Condi?
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    by stanleyrice December 26, 2006 8:10 AM PST
    Mr.President,
    Do you have the personal courage to call the families of these six men, and explain why you are waiting until sometime in January to make changes in Iraq? And how will you explain your continued business as usual policy to all the families of the "soon to be dead"? While he waits, real American and Iraqi children DIE!
    And to you Secretary of State Rice, is it "Condolsia" or "Condon-alsia"? How can you live with yourself? Please get some personal help before you destroy the rest of the world!
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    by stanleyrice December 26, 2006 8:16 AM PST
    Mr. President: Do you have the courage to call each of the families of the six dead, and explain why you are "waiting till sometime in January" to make changes in Iraq? And how about the families of the "soon to die", while you conduct business as usual? And you Condoleeza, or is the name "Condone-oleeza", The Secretary of State; how do live with yourself, supporting "killing as usual"? Please get some personal help before you destroy the rest of the world!
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    by joelib2 December 26, 2006 8:47 AM PST
    2 weeks prior to Condi's trip to Isreal to broker a peace between Hezbollah and Isreal, she was asked on 60 minutes; how did you feel when you lost your childhood friend in the Baptist church bombing in Alabama? She replied,"it was just awful". During this visit With Prime Minister Ohmert she entertained him by playing the piano before dinner while Isreali jets were bombing the children in Bierut. What a hypocrit.
    Talk about war criminals!
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    by sharncedar December 26, 2006 8:52 AM PST

    Clinton's "war" in Yugoslavia is the direct precursor to the current mayhem, as it was not authorized by Congress and it was mostly a catalog showcase war for the smart bombs of weapons manufacturers. It also served the important function of using up old inventory so the Pentagon could buy a whole set of new weapons.

    The current military was created during WWII, since then they have found constant wars to fight based on little or no strategic interest for the United States. What did Korea or Vietnam have to do with the US. They have kept their size and funding levels up to WWII type of levels. People now admit even the "Cold War" was mostly concocted by the military bureaucracy, failry obvious conclusion when we see how weak the Russians really were.
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    by sharncedar December 26, 2006 8:53 AM PST
    When our citizens get killed, one thing we do as Americans is to try to use that to inspire ouselves to make changes. For example you have Megan's law, or the Brady bill. These are examples of a single American being killed and the reaction is to change the entire laws of the nation.

    Now we have a situation where so many Americans are being killed without cause or reason. Sure we can blame George Bush personally, but what is the root cause. In other words, how can we prevent such things in the future.

    If you look at the years directly before Bush, you see the seeds of this problem being planted. My own theory is the problem sprouted frome a presidency which has been elevated above its constitional powers, and from a bureaucratic military industry which needs to sustain its funding and importance by fighting wars even when none exist.
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    by antoniof123 December 26, 2006 9:02 AM PST
    SharnCedar it still never ends with your kind this was about our men and woman being killed in Iraq. How do people like you even remember to breath when you get up. Stop making this into a Clinton thing HE IS NOT IN OFFICE YOU BUDDY GEORGE W. BUSH IS IN OFFICE. Please leave it alone it is over your IQ is showing.
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    by ihatebush1 December 26, 2006 9:11 AM PST
    SharnCedar if that%u2019s true, why wasn%u2019t Clinton impeached based on that instead of committing adultery while in office? Help me out. Was the peace-keeping mission in Yugoslavia handled badly? Was it mismanaged? Where there no bid contracts for his already rich buddies to get even richer? I reject your argument that before Bush, Clinton or previous administrations laid the groundwork for what Bush is now doing in fighting this war in Iraq. Also, if you as president will fight a war of choice based on lies, at least manage it well. Don%u2019t send the enemy home with their weapons and don%u2019t ignore our respective experienced professionals ready to deploy to Iraq in favor of the inexperienced Bush loyalists that have given us a Katrina style mismanagement wasting our blood and our billions s-t-o-o-p-i-d.
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    by sapperinwire December 26, 2006 9:23 AM PST
    "We spread disproportionate terror and confusion in the public mind, arbitrarily linking the unrelated problems of terrorism and Iraq. The result,and perhaps the motive, is to justify a vast misallocation of shrinking public wealth to the military and weaken the safeguards that protect American citizens from the heavy hand of govenment.
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    by ihatebush1 December 26, 2006 9:30 AM PST
    Sad but true.... I'll never understand why some people are still giving Bush a blank check as if he walks on water or something. The tax paying US citizen doesn't exist to support the king. There is no king. Our president exists to support and represent us. You know "we", "the people"?
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    by clestes-2009 December 26, 2006 9:37 AM PST
    So, George, now that you have had a merry Xmas with your family, tell me, how does it feel to send the Xmas present of died loved ones to the American and Iraqi families??
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    by pudd54 December 26, 2006 9:40 AM PST
    Iraq had the some of the best roads outside of the US and Europe prior to the war. Note the roads in the pictures, the same is true of hospitals, electrical facilities and most of their infastructure and we wonder why they want us out.
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    by emtak1 December 26, 2006 9:51 AM PST
    I agree with SharnCedar. But the issue of a presidency elevated above its constitutional powers can be traced back past the Clinton administration. It comes down to the piece of legislation called the War Powers Act, I believe.

    The War Powers Act was once thought as an meaasure that would making reacting to military threats more expedient during the Cold War in a pre-internet, pre-mobile communication society.

    Today it effectively lowers the bar for using American martial force.Requirements for a Declaration of War, are not adhered to any longer. They have been drastically lowered.

    The least representation is now required for the most grave of matters--that is, determining the boiling point at which American blood will be spilled, American families will be sundered, and American resources will be plundered to defend us.

    Assembling in Washington takes too much time and effort on the part of our federal reprs. Sexually abusing young pages, and milking the teet of transnational coorporations is more critical to the mind of a congressman.

    Young soldiers in Iraq let out their blood in the streets to uphold their oath to the Constitution. But federal repos hold that very same oath in lower esteem.

    We, the American people must DEMAND accountability from our representatives and executive. We have a republic, but only if we are vigilant enough to keep it.








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    by ihatebush1 December 26, 2006 9:51 AM PST
    "Bush Undecided On Troop Surge"
    After all that advice, he still can't make up his mind. Or is it that they're not telling him what he wants to hear. Even his faithful right-wingers aren't cheer-leading him on anymore. I think the president's recent indecision while our people are still dying is criminal, not to mention all the other laws that have been trampled. Can this country afford two more years of this? Bush isn't acting in the best interests of us, the US citizen. I can only figure that he's trying to make himself look good by not changing, which would signal that he has been wrong all along about so much. Or maybe he won't because of all those billions in oil contracts are just too lucrative to walk away from. The US president receives his salary from the tax paying citizen. As our employee he must do what is in our collective best interest. NOT his rich oil family, friends, or foreign business partners of this inner circle of Bush people.
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    by patriotic9 December 26, 2006 9:52 AM PST
    "Six more American soldiers were killed in Iraq,Official said Tuesday"
    According to Pentagon,there are 1000 attacks per week on the US troops in Iraq.What happened in rest of the attacks?What are the details of all of those attack?Were those attacks against our troops by an UNSEEN ENEMY were succesful or failed who doesn't wear Military Uniform,doesn't follow Geneva Convention,is determined enough to blow him or herself up,is OIL RICH and getting richer every day as a result of ongoing war which is increasing OIL PRICES,and there is no FRONT LINE.
    When Jill Carol was under captivity,she was told by her captors that only one group namely Alqaeda in Iraq had killed fourty thousands US troops so far and they kill several thousands troops every day and as an evidence she was shown the videos of US military vehicles being blown up by IEDs(Watch Jill Carol story on www.csmonitor.com).When our Tax money finance this war,why should we be kept in the state of ignorance and denial.It's a common sense thing that Secretary of Defense of a country like USA which has the greatest Militray in the whole world,could not accept that his country is losing war by the deaths of only three thousands troops.
    Again I'll recomend to check ou
    www.memri.org
    go to
    Islamist websites monitor project
    click on
    Islamist website monitor #17
    Click under the link of
    Islmist videos show bombing in Iraq.
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    by grumpas December 26, 2006 10:15 AM PST
    Grow up Shamcedar! The only thing similar about Yugoslavia and Iraq is they engaged in so called Ethic Cleansing! But, that's the typical Rabid Republican for you! Blame Clinton for the mess in Iraq when you know damned well Bush did it! Clinton only got into the Yugoslavia thing after it was reported there was Ethic Cleansing going on! Bush invaded Iraq before any thing like Ethic Cleansing was going on! It came a year or so later when he got the Sunni and Shiite forces riled up! So, get your facts straight!
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    by notblue December 26, 2006 10:29 AM PST
    What arbitrary purpose does that headline serve? Yes it's true the number of American soldiers lost in Iraq now exceeds the innocent civilian lives lost in a single attack at the twin towers. But what purpose does that headline serve and why is it important? When the japanese attacked American sailors at pearl harbor little did anyone know another 500,000 would be lost before it was over. While the loss of one American life is unacceptible, sometimes in order to protect our freedom lives will be lost. In the historic context of war, Iraq is not the norm. The professionalism and expertise of our military has kept the number of casualties to a historic minimum while attemptimg to free a population that exceeds 25 million from a dictator that had the fourth largest army in the world. People who think the cause is stupid or the money spent is waisted would not have the oppurtunity to spew there rhetoric without lives sacrificed for freedom in the past as well as the present.
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    by emtak1 December 26, 2006 10:40 AM PST
    The point of the headline is fairly obvious. When do we say when. There hasn't been an attack onAmerican soil in 5 years.

    More people have now died then died in teh towers' collapse. We couldn't control that event.

    We can control if more of our soldiers die. And when, where, and why they die.
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    by ihatebush1 December 26, 2006 10:51 AM PST
    The point of that headline "notblue" is obviously a feeble attempt at getting people like you to think rationally, based on facts, and not your I-D-E-O-L-O-G-Y. I will try to explain it to you so that even you can understand...
    With the cost of this war so high in blood and billions, let's either "win" it by stabilizing it, or leave. But I submit to you that we cannot "win" because even if we stay and commit for another 20 years. This fight over who's the real succesor to Mohamed is going to take place and Iraq will NEVER be "free, stable, or our partner in the war against terror", s-t-o-o-p-i-d.
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    by notblue December 26, 2006 10:56 AM PST
    ihatebush 1, what makes your ideology correct? or is it the same old, typical, narrow minded tunnel visioned vitriole spewed by the far left? When it comes to the far left there is know room for discussion or opposing opininons.
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    by sapperinwire December 26, 2006 10:56 AM PST
    "There is kein 'War on Terrorism in Iraq' Only Bush Mercenaries With Towels on their heads! very old British yiddish spy trick aka Colonel Lawerance Moduis Oparandi!
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    by emtak1 December 26, 2006 11:03 AM PST
    Why do we slam each other on here while our neighbors get slammed over there with shrapnel that shreds their bodies and remove their limbs?

    We over here owe them over their constructive debate. If we really give adamn about them we'll build one each others ideas instead of treating teh war debate like gladitorial combat.
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    by sgtdevildog1 December 26, 2006 11:08 AM PST
    I get so tired of hearing folks whine about loosing another Marine or soldier. Ocassionally a seamen or airmen. Remember even if we don't agree with the mission it is still the job they volunteered for. If we put as much time and effort in worrying about the children in our CPS systems here in the U.S. as we put into worrying about Marines and soldiers that are over there to protect us. We might have saved a few thousand children over the last few years.
    Yeah remember there hasn't been a successful attack on any U.S. soil here or abroad. Pretty good record for President Bush I would think. Let's see how many where there in the 90's 1?, 2? 3? 4 no wait it was more wasn't it. Yes this war was preventable.

    As for the oil, We only used 4% Iraqi oil before the war and we use less now, You might want to look at China's consumption before you blame Bush or Cheney about chasing oil!

    444,000,000 that' million for you liberals that need the gov't to count that high for you. 444m chinese using more fuel than ever before that is where the world oil supply is going you fools.
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    by patriotic9 December 26, 2006 11:09 AM PST
    "In order to protect our freedom lives will be lost"
    It was so great if that'd be the case.Unfortunately it's not true.On 9/11/2001,our citizens lost their lives becuase our govt had decided to take OIL in cheaper prices from Arabs and in return support their those enemies who were brought into Palestine after WWII to occupy their lands by force when those poor Palestinians had nothing to do with the crimes comited by HITLER.
    We were not attcked because of our freedom or way of life.If that was the case then why those EUROPEAN COUNTRIES where women are TOPLESS in public,GAY MARRIAGE is legal,PROSTITUTION IS LEGAL,DRUGS like POT are LEGAL,were not attacked.If we were attacked because of our religion then why Vetican was not attacked.We were attacked because of those enemies of United States who want to support the ILLEGITIMATE and UNJUSTIFIED existance of ISRAEL which is based on RACISM and INJSUTICE(Human beings not created equally but created as GOD-CHOSEN or GOD-NEGLECTED on the basis of the RACE or FAMILY they are born in,is called RACISM and INJSUTICE)on the cost of AMERICAN MONEY and AMERICAN LIVES because those AMERICANS who belive in JESUS and his mother's VIRGINITY are GOD-NEGLECTED and NON AMERICANS who deny JESUS as a MESSIAH and VIRGINITY of his mother are GOD-CHOSEN and the purpose of AMERICAN LIVES is to SACRIFICE everything for the GOD-CHOSEN ENMIES of the GOD'S ONLY SON.
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    by lewyoowy December 26, 2006 11:21 AM PST
    The time is now to stop "debating" who's right. The same old "facts" are argued to death over and over. We know these facts are true:

    We were lied to about WMDs.
    We were lied to about being greeted as liberators.
    We were lied to about less than six months.
    We were lied to about Mission Accomplished.
    We were lied to about democracy in Iraq.
    We were lied to about Iraqi oil paying the bill.
    We were lied to about casualties.
    We were lied to about domestic spying.
    We were lied to about winning.
    We were lied to about a change of course.
    It needn't be that all of this is is the truth. It only matters that if one...just one of those items were a mis-statement or truth....then this administration should be impeached....period!

    as for the future of Iraq... it does't matter who's in charge, they cannot do any worse.
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    by tejasdemo December 26, 2006 11:25 AM PST
    Impeach Bush now. Period.
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    by newsjeff-2009 December 26, 2006 11:30 AM PST
    I have an idea on how to build up the size of the U.S. Military. First President Bush's two twin "daddy's girls" could volunteer to serve in the military, Second maybe Vice President Richard Cheney's daughter-in-law (Mary Cheney's wife)could volunteer to serve in the U.S. Military, until Mary has her baby(Mary went and got herself pregnant to attrack attention)Third, with a few(Not!!!)actually with many republicans that lost elections in this years mid-term elections, maybe former senator George Allen,Conrad Burns,Jim Talent,Bonilla or several others could volunteer to serve and fight this Iraq war they wanted so bad, if not surely they have friends of family like the troops currently serving that serve, maybe some children,grandchildren,nieces,nephews, etc. after all the rich,private schools will still be here win we achieve victory in Iraq as Bush has promised.
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    by scouser691 December 26, 2006 11:32 AM PST
    Looks like notblue has been watching the "fair and balanced" news channel again. Face reality my friend, civil war, hundreds of thousands of Iraqi's dead, 1.6 Iraqi's have fled the country, and America is deeply polarized and universally despised throughout the world. Me thinketh your whining about the left stems from the fact that our opposition to the Iraq war has been proven correct a thousand times over, this fact just drives you insane.
    Happy holidays
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    by marcpcbs December 26, 2006 11:32 AM PST
    I've noticed that CBS, AP and other collectors of information have been counting the days and the dead bodies of our troops leading up to this number, The equal number that were killed on 911.

    Are they trying to say that this is the point that America looses the war? Are they saying that this is the point where America is no longer worth defending? I can feel all the Bush Bashers, in honor of this occasion, dancing on the graves of those who died defended our country, chanting to themselves how right and righteous they are.

    Some people seem to think that because there has been evident greed in the way our oil interests have been managed that everyone in the twin towers deserved to die. I believe it's the absence of nationalism that is the foundation of greed. Ask any child poisoning dope dealer.


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    by patriotic9 December 26, 2006 11:36 AM PST
    lewyoowy
    All these lies you mentioned were told by the RADICAL CHRISTIAN BUSH administration whose CHRISTIAN IDEOLOGY is based on LIES like SANTA CLAUSE COMING ON A FLYING DEER TO DISTRIBUTE CANDIES or SENSE-LESS-NESS like people loving JESUS and believing in his mother's VIRGINITY are GOD-NEGLECTED and PEOPLE DENYING JESUS as a MESSIAH and VIRGINITY OF HIS MOTHER and accusing his mother of comiting FORNICATION being GOD-CHOSEN and the GOD-NEGLECTED AMERICANS to sacrifice their MONEY,LIVES and COUNTRY for the GOD-CHOSEN ENEMIES of the GOD's ONLY SON.
    CHRISTIANITY is PSYCHOSIS and nobody has hurt the whole world like CHRISTIAN PSYCHOTICS.The latest example is RADICAL CHRISTIANS' invasion in IRAQ to help the 2nd coming of CHRIST which turned out to help ISLAMIC RADICALISM and made ISLAMIC RADICALS so powerful like they were never before.
    We'll never ever be able to achieve peace in the world till we get rid of the PSYCHOSIS called CHRISTIANITY other wise GOD-NEGLECTED AMERICANS will keep on dying and losing their money in order to help the GOD-CHOSEN ENEMIES OF the GOD'S ONLY SON and the RACIST and UNJUST GOD who was sleeping on 9/11 will keep on sleeping as the people dying were not born in the RACE or FAMILY he has CHOSEN.
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    by drudge2 December 26, 2006 11:38 AM PST
    Impeach Cheney first then Bush. Period.
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    by notblue December 26, 2006 11:42 AM PST
    Thank you lewyoowy, tejasdemo, scouser691 and last but not least patriotic 9 for making my point!
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    by jillmonterey December 26, 2006 11:42 AM PST
    Relating these two sad statistics is completely misguided. The terrorists who aggressively attacked on 9/11 would have loved to have killed more than 2,973, but they rejoiced over what they got and resolved to keep killing until America is gone and the entire world is Muslim. That may take more than 3,000 American deaths.

    Why is it that I picture the news crew with this story all written, edited, polished, and properly laced with Bush-gotcha, as they drink coffee and play cards all night, while a big counter on the wall is rigged with an alarm set to go off at 2,974. BING! Hooray! It happened! All right, who was he? Milestone Man! They rush to the computer terminal and click SUBMIT.
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    by jillmonterey December 26, 2006 11:51 AM PST
    marcpcbs,

    We were posting at about the same time on this "grim milestone."

    How many Americans were killed at Pearl Harbor as opposed to the overall number killed in WWII? Maybe FDR should have yanked us out of that quagmire as soon as casualties hit the magical 2,403. There were no Germans on our soil!
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    by sgtdevildog1 December 26, 2006 11:52 AM PST
    "We we're lied to".....Look in the mirror...We're all lied too. Don't fool yourself, it happens all the time unfortunately. That' where the junior leagues have gone. Oh it's ok Tommy you did your best you deserve a trophy too. No he dont' he lost he don't get a trophy...Thats the way it is! You want to talk about being lied to, again I devert attention to CHINA they have for years been lying about their products, currency and yet look in your closet we continue to support them.

    Yes it appears there is no WMD in Iraq, but there are checks to suicide bombers from Saddam. He was supporting terrorisim. These guy's and gal's are the best in the WORLD they'll be fine in Iraq or Indiana. How troops have been lost stateside in the past 3 years or is that not as imortant?
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    by patriotic9 December 26, 2006 11:53 AM PST
    marcpcbs
    "I think it's the absence of nationalism that is the foundation of greed"
    I totally agree with your above mentioned statement.It is the absence of nationalism which makes people support the ILLEGITIMATE and UNJUSTIFIED EXISTANCE of ISREAL eventhough if UNITED STATES get doomed during that process as ISRAEL is a HOLY LAND and USA is not.It's the absence of nationalism which makes people support and protect NON AMERICAN EUROPEAN INVADERS IN PALESTINE as they are the GOD CHOSEN ENEMIES of the GOD's ONLY SON eventhough if during that process thousands of GOD-NEGLECTED AMERICANS die in WORLD TRADE CENTER for sending their TAX PAID money to those NON AMERICAN GOD-CHOSEN ENEMIES of THE GOD's ONLY SON.It's that absence of NATIONALISM which make people ignore those AMERICANS dying in NEW ORLEANS as they are born in a GOD-NEGLECTED BLACK RACE not chosen by the RACIST GOD and in the mean time to send more then $3 Billions of US tax dollars to the NON AMERICAN GOD CHOSEN ENEMIES of the GOD'S ONLY SON.It's that absence of nationalism which makes people establish the US internal and foreing policies on that HOLY BIBLE which discriminates AMERICANS by not promising them a SINGLE PENNY while PROMISING NON AMERICAN GOD-CHOSEN ENEMIES of the GOD's ONLY SON a land in the MIDDLE EAST in the mean time to ignore the UNHOLY CONSTITUTION which separates CHRUCH from STATE.
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    by sapperinwire December 26, 2006 11:54 AM PST
    re:jillmonterey The price of eternal vigilance is indifference.
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    by skyk-2009 December 26, 2006 11:55 AM PST
    What is so sad about this number is none, not one of them had to die. It's the arrogance and Incompetence of one little man who happens to think he's on a mission from God to "Give" our system of Government to others that has created all these torn American Families. No WMD's and NO connection to any attack on us but this poor simple minded man thinks it's his responsibility to give to others that which he so obviously does not understand. Sad day in the history of this country. Very sad indeed.
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    by ylwcakewalk December 26, 2006 11:56 AM PST
    One poster opines that the two statistics have nothing to do with one another. Actually they do.

    But these numbers should be added together, not contrasted.

    The 2978 dead American soldiers should be added to the 2978 victims of the 9/11 attack and all of it added to the criminal incompetence and malfeasance of Bush and his puppetmasters.

    http://yellowcakewalk.net
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    by patriotic9 December 26, 2006 11:57 AM PST
    I am gonna ask the same question my Canadian friends ask me
    "Is GOD really an AMERICAN".
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    by scouser691 December 26, 2006 12:02 PM PST
    Jillmonterey, I agree with you 100% percent and have come up with a cunning plot. How about spending our time and resources hunting down the folks responsible for 911 instead of spending hundreds of billions of dollars formenting ethnic hatred and civil war in a country that had nothing to do with 911
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    by patriotic9 December 26, 2006 12:08 PM PST
    scouser691
    Do you mean OSAMA BEEN FORGOTTEN about who we started this war to capture him DEAD OR ALIVE.One should wonder how and why we got stucked in IRAQ which had nothing to do with 9/11.As I said before,CHRISTIANITY is PSYCHOSIS and BUSH the leader of CHRISTIANS is a PSYCHOTIC.He and his fellow CHRISTIAN PSYCHOTICS are waiting on SANTA CLAUSE to come on a FLYING DEER and to give them CANDIES and is preparing the EASTER BUNNIES to go to IRAQ and AFGHANISTAN to fight as US troops.
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    by scouser691 December 26, 2006 12:09 PM PST
    Notblue,er... happy to oblige, although its hard to reinforce a point that didn't exist in the first place.
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