First Cloned Cat Has Kittens
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Copy Cat's litter, Dec. 13, 2006. (AP Photo)
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Copy Cat, who was cloned by Texas A&M University researchers in 2001, had three kittens in September. Mother and kittens are doing well, said Duane Kraemer, an A&M veterinary medicine professor who helped clone her and has been taking care of her since.
"They're cute and we thought people ought to know about the birth," "But we're hoping it doesn't cause the same frenzy CC did."
CC got worldwide attention after she was cloned at Texas A&M, which has cloned more species than any institution in the world, including cattle, swine, goats, horses and a deer.
The father is Smokey, a naturally born tabby who was brought in to mate with CC. Two of the kittens take after their mother, while the third has a gray coat like his father.
CC is not the first cloned cat to give birth, Kraemer said. In New Orleans, two cloned wild African cats successfully mated to produce kittens.
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Thing is, if a client of this company wants a clone NOW, the cost can be $50,000, who here could afford or afford to justify spending $50,000 on a cloned pet cat when there's thousands in shelters out there for free?
A $50,000 pricetag greatly reduces the company's market to a small number of wealthy clients.
Like many medical breakthroughs, the technoplogy is marvelous, but if it costs $2,000,000 to clone and replace your failing heart, and insurance won't cover it, and you have no money to speak of then this technology is basically useless to the average working stiff anyway.
Hmmm... let me be more specific- with all the MILLIONS of unwanted children that are aborted every year (not to mention all the ones that are killed by their parents & killed by predators, etc.) how would cloning make this a better world? Do we need more babies to feed the child porn rings? We need more children to die at the hands of their abusive parents?
Or is this an attempt to clone "the Perfect" human, one that would be raised by scientists in a lab, protected from all harm from the outside world? Would this baby be then used to breed/clone even more "Perfect" humans? Would they then become the "Perfect Race"? They'd probably want to then make sure they don't use the wrong colour father in the breeding cage.
What's that smell?
Smells a bit like Hitler.
And your comment "God gave us a mind and how we use it determines what kind of people mankind is and will be" speaks clearly about human ego & stupidity. The ego part- believing that we can "play god" & create life through means other than the natural intent. The stupid part- believing that we can "play god" & create life through means other than the natural intent & assume that there will be no consequences, or, when there are, we refuse to accept responsibility & look elsewhere to place the blame. Like, when an army of little white nazi clones breaks out of the lab & creates havoc in the streets, there will be those who will say: "Well, that was god's will"- like blaming some omnipotent entity for the studid actions of humans makes it alright.
Posted by beacheshuman at 01:10 PM : Dec 15, 2006
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While I am not opposed to cloning, I am opposed to stupidity. To extend your argument...
If God didn't want murder to happen, God never would have let us discover it.
If God didn't want child abuse to happen, God never would have let us discover it.
It God didn't want rape, incest, poverty, disease, violence, dishonesty, and everything else to happen, God would never have let us discover it.
Maybe bad things are an intrinsic part of the universe and our challenge is to overcome the bad and promote the good? I don't consider the fact that people can and do choose between good and evil any proof of God condoning evil, let alone a proof that there is no god.
But a lot of irreligious people seem to disagree.
I wounder if they found a home for them yet.
I know some people who would love to take care of them.
I would also want to mention to beacheshuman that since I am not a religious person, in that I don't believe in the white-robed, long flowing white beard, sitting on the clouds & playing white puppet-master god, then I suppose, according to your theory, that this is "god's will"? So, what would be the purpose of that? To make the "believers" feel more righteous? I don't get it. Not really trying to start any argument, but just rhetorically wondering out loud.
Anyway, this article only shows the fluffy happy side of cloning. I have shared my home, over my many years, with 15 cats who were rescued from certain death at humane shelters. Also, 2 dogs & a ferret. All these animals were dumped by people who decided the novelty of a cute kitten, puppy & baby ferret had worn off. The responsibilty of feeding, caring for, & loving another life was too much for them, so it was easier to dump & run- not so much different than what we do on our toilets!
What would be the purpose of cloning more unwanted animals? Maybe the cosmetic companies are running out of test subjects? The horrors never cease.
Here's a piece of logic I have used to shut up obnoxious born-agains who try to convert me:
"If your version of God is the real one, and everything is God's will, then it's God's will that I don't believe in Him. So stop acting against God's will, and leave me alone!"
It seems to work pretty well. :-)
I think anyone who presumes to know God's will is arrogant beyond belief. And in fact, most religious teachings have their version of "thou shalt not presume to know the mind of God". Lots of people are happy to decide what God wants for others, though, aren't they?
Cute cats. That's all I have to say.
Your overall point stands most clearly - that how people exercise their free will is what's important. And in fact, if people actually read their Bible for comprehension, they'd realize that according to Christianity, God gave us free will and the ability to choose so that we could learn and grow. He put out the rules in the hope that we would follow them, but knowing blind obedience is meaningless, gave alternatives as well. And He specifically said, "Don't try to second-guess Me. Worry about your own salvation, not trying to guess what I want."
People are frightened by free will, choice and thought. They all think they want it, but then run from it to sloganeering and prejudice instead.
Oh right, so according to this logic let's just USE those 5 and 10 year year old children, babies pregnant women and others that are brutally raped and killed or contract horrible diseases like cancer- as god's pawns in some TWISTED, sick "lessons" we are supposed to learn but no one knows what these "lessons" seem to be or which way to go, it's all "gods will" yeah right!
He/she/it would be USING people as pawns and toys knowing full well the results- in other words and all knowing and seeing entity deliberately setting people up for failure, deaths by accidents or murder- some loving god you people worship like a bunch of dumb sheeple!!
Quit foisting this murderous hypocritcal god off on the rest of us, some of us refuse to worship some brutal murdering bstard of a god that does what yours does to people and animals.
What a bunch of fools. You should be more careful about what blame you place on God. Don't you know that the devil lurks about hoping to snare you into his world for as long as possible, until God has shown that man cannot direct his own path. Then instant destruction will be upon him. Etc Etc,
Why would you blame God for such evil acts? That's very bad. And ignorant of the Bible.
If you live in the US, you need a house or other place to live, that all costs money, taxes too.
Seems your god forgot such basics to include with the birth package like clothes, food, shelter, heat so we dont freeze to death.
"What would be the purpose of cloning more unwanted animals?"
Unwanted animals? I seriously doubt a $50,000 cat is "unwanted"!
"Why would you blame God for such evil acts? That's very bad. And ignorant of the Bible."
They are called 'acts of GOD' it's even in your insurance policy take a look, it doesnt matter if a tsunami killing 200,000 people was an accident or planned by your god- he either caused it or ALLOWED it to happen- another twisted "lesson" I guess, the one that says dont trust THIS god he kills at random for kicks- the SAME god who demands that some people be STONED TO DEATH for minor "infractions". Ever see someone stoned to death? I have and this is what your god demands!
WHO made this storm exist at all?
Cluebus: your god, the same one you worship, the same one who demands people be stoned to death, that children who curse their parents must also be STONED to death.
Your bible is chock full of violence and dripping with a bloody, gory, gruesome, ghastly and deadly history going back centuries, and this is the krap you want to foist off on other people????
It's time to bankrupt the church as a money grubbing hypocrital mind control entity whose time has long expired, eliminate it off the planet and demolish every last church that stands.
Oh hey, Linfinster, maybe "the devil lurking about" is actually god's will, according to you. So in that case, god the omnipotent has allowed something even stronger than he/she to exist, so where's the omnipotence in that?
Or...maybe god & the devil are in cohoots with each other, sort of like "good cop/bad cop" thing, like mafia brothers, & it's been their plan all along to screw with everybody. Obviously they are buddies- or else one would have wiped the other out long ago.
It is counter productive for all of us to carry on like this. The fact is whether you believe in God or not, if we all followed the ten commandments we would not have any of the worlds problems today, people would be kind and loving towards each other, the fact is that 99% of the worlds population choose to do their own thing, so blaming God because people want to do horrific things is not on. What a cruel God it would be if he took away our free will and controlled us like puppets to jump when he said...
Why is it that people cant think for themselves, people don't want Gods laws, regardless of if it is Buddha, Hindu or the Christian God, they say that God is a myth then when things go wrong they blame the God they don't believe in, come on people...
Of course it is not Gods will that these things should happen, and we cant blame everything on satan, people makes mistakes, they drink and drive killing others in the process etc, that is self that has caused that not satan.. etc
For goodness sake they must know that earthquakes and the likes are the earth moving etc... And you are dead right we don't need the ten commandments, especially if people would treating each other like they want to be treated themselves- again so true, but that also will do no better than the ten commandments as people are full of self, just watch what they watch on TV it is mostly full of self,hate, steal, murder and immorality.
I toooo wish people would quit putting bible quotes on here, they are useless to those who don't believe, what rights do these people think that they have to force our beliefs on others who don't want to hear... However on the subject of cloning, it sure worries me, all sounds to much like hitler all over again, we are manipulated to believe that it is good but where will it stop...spare parts..and as I do believe in God, I dont like it, but I wont shove my belief down your neck.
Now I have read that some people who have had transplants have discovered that they desire all sorts of things that they previously didn't like, or that they want to do things that they didn't before and in talking to the donors family they have found that, that is what their loved one liked or didn't like, so does this mean that the recipients of pig parts could want to eat whey, and hang out with pigs...ehhehe
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by catt42701
December 17, 2006 6:45 PM PST
- I was unaware of the need for more cats but then I can't read everything. What we need is non-living meat. Like steaks in a petri dish and such. That way we could cut back on livestock, decrease pasture lands to let it go back to its native flora and fauna. It would be nice to have meat without having to kill something. When they can do that then we can truly say there has been an advancement in science and alive things can be alive just for the thrill of it.
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