'Bluejay' Spreads His Wings

How A Young Musical Genius Scored A Major Recording Deal

(CBS)  Jay Greenberg is an American composer who some say is the greatest musical genius to come along in 200 years. He wrote five symphonies by the time he was 13 years old.

Correspondent Scott Pelley first met Jay two years ago when his works were being performed on stage; the story was seen by executives at Sony BMG, who signed Jay as a recording artist. Recently, Pelley caught up with the young composer again in Britain, where the London Symphony Orchestra was recording Jay's fifth symphony.

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Jay, who signs his works with the nickname "Bluejay," is 14 now. When he caught the ear of 60 Minutes in 2004, this remarkable boy was only 12 years old and had written a piece called "The Storm," commissioned by the New Haven Symphony in Connecticut.

He wrote every note for each and every instrument — and the really amazing part is that he wrote it in just a few hours.

Composer Sam Zyman says we haven't seen his like in probably 200 years. "We are talking about a prodigy of the level of the greatest prodigies in history when it comes to composition. I am talking about the likes of Mozart, and Mendelssohn and Saint-Saëns," he tells Pelley.

Zyman taught music theory to Jay at the Julliard School in New York, where he has been teaching 19 years.

"This is an absolute fact. This is objective. This is not a subjective opinion," Zyman says. "Jay could be sitting here, and he could be composing right now. He could finish a piano sonata before our eyes in probably 25 minutes. And it would be a great piece."

How is it possible? Jay told Pelley he doesn't know where the music comes from — but that it comes fully written, playing like an orchestra in his head.

"As you hear it playing, can you change it as it goes along? Can you say to yourself, 'Oh, let's bring the oboes in here,' or 'Let's bring the string section here?'" Pelley asks.

"No, they seem — they seem to come in by themselves if they need to," Jay replies. "It's as if the unconscious mind is giving orders at the speed of light. You know, I mean, so I just hear it as if it were a smooth performance of a work that is already written when it isn't."

Jay's parents are as surprised by his talent as anyone. Neither of them is a professional musician. His father, Robert, is a linguist, a scholar in Slavic languages who lost his sight at the age of 36 to retinitis pigmentosa. His mother, Orna, is an Israeli-born painter.

Michael, Jay's 10-year-old brother, is not a musical prodigy, but Robert and Orna remember when they figured out that Jay was.

"I think around, two, when he started writing and actually drawing instruments, we knew that he was fascinated with it," his mother explains.

At the ago of 2, she says, Jay started writing and managed to draw and ask for a cello. "I was surprised, because neither of us have anything to do with string instruments. And I didn't expect him to know what it was," Orna says.

"What a cello was?" Pelley asks.

"Right," she replies.

Orna says there was no cello in the house and that her son had never seen a cello before. But he knew he wanted one.

So his mother brought him to a music store where he was shown a miniature cello. "And he just sat there. He put the cello. And he started playing on it. And I was like, 'How do you know how to do this?'" Orna remembers.

[buzzfrum]

Thanks for doing the update on Jay Greenberg. I missed it the first time so it was a real treat to learn about him tonight. I was able to go online and order his 5th Symphony and am looking forward digging into his music. Let's hope he continues to develop his talent.

[jakoso-2009]

I felt I was watching the rebirth of Mozart.
It gave me chills. He writes whole symphonies completely and perfectly by simply writing down what is in his head. I hope he as a long productive life.

[psager317]

An wonderful story about a true musical prodigy. Jay's ability to pen the compositions in his head gives us insight into the processes of the past masters. I'm sure history will place "Blue Jay" among them. Thanks '60 Minutes' for bringing this amazing young man to our attention, that we may now follow his music's progress.

[jmid2005]

At the very beginning of the story I told my fiance "Oh my god...its another Mozart." "He doesn't erase and it its all in his head already." I hope that he continues in Music and thanks 60 minutes for bringing a wonderful story that is positive.

[heloise2]

Thanks for doing this piece but I was disturbed by the comments from the director from Julliard. He suggested that as Jay Greenberg matures he will come to question his talent. He suggested that it would be good for him to do that. Wrong! Wrong! Wrong! What makes Jay great is that he does not question what comes to him - he is a conduit for the music to flow through him. I think there would be more Jay Greenberg's out there but what stops them is they are taught by well meaning but misguided adults to question the genius within them. Wrong! They need to just accept their greatness. It is said that we all use only 10% of our brains. How many of us can say that we accept great ideas as they come to us and act on them? Isn't that what Jay Greenberg is doing?

[logicdoug]

Notice how many music prodigies are illuminated in the news, with some math prodigies also. Consider the subjects and the people involved. Now, why would prodigies, with minds capable of efficiently synthesizing complex arrays of data relating to human-caused problems, such as wars, to thus recognize solutions, not exist, or not be illuminated in the news? Consider the people involved. May you learn the most knowledge of the most concepts, most efficiently. DougBuchanan.com

[logicdoug]

In contradiction to heloise2 below, and at possible anguish to the musicians who might prefer to keep Jay inside their enjoyable but inherently limited world, somebody convey to Jay the knowledge that his mind is simply adept at synthesizing complex arrays of information. Therefore, the more diverse knowledge he learns, inherently outside the music world, and the more real questions he asks of his resulting conclusions, and especially those of institutionally self-impressed and self-stagnated adults, answering his questions to identify the new syntheses, his mind will exponentially advance its knowledge, much to his inordinate enjoyment, and inordinate benefit to others if he manifests his knowledge, and if the inherent political and social attacks, because his advanced knowledge obviously threatens the intellectually stagnated, power-based institutions, are not successful.

May you learn the most knowledge of the most concepts, most efficiently.

DougBuchanan.com

[adams_logos]

Hey Blue Jay,

Me too! I was at Abbey Road last summer.
It's so much fun, right!...and work.

www.frankadamsweb.net

Best Wishes

[ecuadoriana]

Take note, all you doctors, teachers, & parents who are so quick to dispense "the Meds" every time a child gazes out a window:
For all you know, that child could be composing a symphony, curing a disease, ending a war, painting a masterpiece, writing a novel, discovering another solar system....or simply trying to comprehend a simple math equation or reflect on the lesson learned in a story. Meanwhile you continue to feed him a diet a video games & mind numbing television. Let the child's mind wander at times & everyone may be amazed at the discoveries!

[random_radar]

ecuadoriana,

Amen!

Drugging children into submission is a tragedy.

[lilamath]

I loved the piece about Blue Jay. I'd like to know where I could find any CD recordings of his symphonies that I can purchase. He's truly amazing. He can count me in a a midwest fan.

[desertrat200]

FINALLY!
Rappers be damned.
Real talent has arrived!

[desertrat200]

FINALLY!!
Rappers be damned!

[desertrat200]

FINALLY!!
Rappers be damned!
REAL talent has arrived.

[celticqwn]

Just like Mozart, he hears beyond the simple physical scale of the mind. He is hearing on a higher plane.

I can't believe he has a teacher that wants to teach him to doubt and question that gift. Bluejay needs a teacher that can help him work this ability, not limit it. He doesn't need a Antonio Salieri.

Bluejay hears beyond the ears, and beyond the mind. He sees and hears music to perfection. If he were writing scientific notation, he would be a genius, but since it is music, he is called abnormal. So, they give him drugs, and limit his ability.

I hope he tells those teachers who fear his ablity to get lost and start to work with those who encourage and assist him.

How many other children have been lost because of a teacher who just couldn't understand what ability that child had and called it "abnormal" - that would make an interesting report.

[moshe10_613]

Shalom to Blue jay,
i might call it Gregori's music...before, there were angels who guards human beings, each had specific talents and specialization...but failed to follow instruction from G-d by making human women their wives, their children became Nephilims and were cast out but some survive and later became the Canaanites...the genetic transfer from them to jay is possible by this time it is the Angel of Music's genes he inherited...Blue Jay is the son of the Angel of Music.
Just me and my mind...shalom aleichem !!!

[namedujour]

Anyone who is creative will tell you that you often get inspiration in a kind of mental stream. I'm a writer, and with my first novel I "received" entire pre-written passages I only had to type. I named my muse Harriet, and often said, "Thank you, Harriet" out loud as I furiously typed pre-written pages of prose.

The book won an award, which I accepted, knowing it wasn't all me.

With my second novel, Harriet took more of a back seat, presumably because I could now write on my own.

Muses are real, and creative people tap into something outside of themselves. If you don't believe this, it's because you aren't a creative individual, NOT because it doesn't happen. (It just doesn't happen TO YOU.) Creative types don't even blink. They all go, "Yeah. I know what you mean." And writers mention this all the time.

So this kid is a marvelous conduit. He isn't creative in his own right - he's a radio transmitting a signal. He doesn't even participate in the process by correcting or changing anything. This alone should tip off scientists that creative people are worth examining to find out how we tick, and how we all describe that stream of prose, or music, or visual images we offer up in our creations. It would be interesting to find out how much of it we all admit is not coming from us.

[gailmatt]

How can I get a recording of Jay Greenburg's sympphony, The Storm. How exciting to have a musical prodigy of this stature in our own time.

I would like to follow his career and hear more of his music.

[namedujour]

Actually, in rereading my earlier posting, it came off as disrespectful of Jay, or seemed to trivialize his talent. It isn't at all. It's more of a thoughtful analysis of what he does, and a theory about what is happening to him during the creative process. It's merely pointing out what he said himself, that he does not consciously select the notes he writes: He HEARS them and relays them to us. He changes nothing. He simply gives us what he receives, and can write entire symphonies in 25 minutes because his mind is on broadband.

He's a really extreme case of superior "mental stream," which I experience myself to a comparatively inferior degree. Do we define this mental stream as creativity? Or do we create a new category for people who are singularly talented at tapping into the Source?

My personal feeling is that we recognize this as an actual event that is separate from creativity, just as the musician is separate from the composer of the music. The talent is equal but different.

[aralion]

Thank God the meds we have today were not available during Mozart's time or we might never have heard the beautiful music which he created. To try to stifle the genuis of someone like Blue Jay is a misguided attempt by some "knowlegeable" people to control that which they don't understand. How many other "geniuses" do we have in our world right now who are in a drug induced haze because they are misunderstood. We will probably never know.

I, too, would like to know where I can purchase Blue Jay's compositions. The small sample I heard on television last night brought tears to my eyes. It was simply beautiful. I imagine that is the type of music that is played in Heaven.

[buzzfrum]

Jay's only CD was released this August by Sony Music #81804. It features his Symphony #5 and his Quintet for Strings played by the Julliard String Quartet. I found it available at Arkivmusic.com Search his name under Composers.

[harmaton]

As much of a smart person he is... give him time. Mozart wasn't claimed to be a genius until way after he died. I have a really hard time believing him in his interview. He may be a musical genius but he has a TON of growing up to do.

see you in ten years... and I bet he isn't doing music.

[jazzguy4]

What a pleasure this story was. Blue Jay reminds me of the character Matt Damen played in the movie "Good Will Hunting" where "Will" was the janitor but was so naturally gifted in math that he could solve problems that neither the students or professors could solve. Sam Alder reminds me of the math professor in the movie who had great stature in academia but lacked the natural gift that "Will" had. In the movie, the professor was so jealous of "Will's" talent that he tried to hold him back to the same limitations the professor was born with. Sam Alder should not deal his own lack of genius by trying to place restraints on Blue Jay who is a true timeless musical genius.

[derelictable]

I found it obnoxious that, according to this story, musical genius of this sort is only of the classical kind. Somebody, for the love of God, introduce this kid to Jimi Hendrix, Miles Davis and Kurt Cobain... please! I'm seriously tired of 60 minutes, which of I've been watching since I was a kid, doing segments on this "wunderkids" that play classical music. Ever heard of an electric guitar?

p.s. Get rid of Andy Rooney, he's an embarrasment to your show.

[hudson4me]

I too heard whole symphonies in my head when I was young. BlueJay's compositions sound hauntingly familiar. Each instruments' range is aurally displayed by listening to recorded music. When I announced my intention to write a symphony, I received no support from family and teachers. I was told that it was presumptuous to think that I could. All blessings on Jay! I joyfully await his take on Physics.

[hudson4me]

I too heard whole symphonies in my head when I was young. BlueJay's compositions sound hauntingly familiar. Each instruments' range is aurally displayed by listening to recorded music. When I announced my intention to write a symphony, I received no support from family and teachers. I was told that it was presumptuous to think that I could. All blessings on Jay! I joyfully await his take on Physics.

[patrickde2]

I was curious as to why in your report about the young composer, you failed to mention that Mozart had the same ability to compose in his head, write down the music, and never make any changes. I feel that you should have pointed this out to highlight this young man's talent. Thank you.

[passagesboy]

One thing was not covered here which really surprised me, it's pretty elementary. What music does, or did, he like to listen to? Part of the whole picture of this story is definitely ehat he likes. For instance, is his music all tonal or mixed with atonality, etc? I was hoping to find an archive of the first piece 60 minutes did on him to possibly get the answer but can't locate it.

[passagesboy]

[regarding my previous post] Okay, I found some soundbytes on Amazon.com and already can hear one outstanding influence, Bartok. Or maybe just an outstanding coincidence, since Bartok really has influenced a great deal of modern orchestral and chamber music which is exposed to the mainstream through movie soundtracks etc.