Status Of Abducted Americans A Mystery

Search Continues In Iraq After Conflicting Reports Swirl Over Safety Of Four Americans And An Austrian

(CBS/AP)  British soldiers backed by U.S. military helicopters battled insurgents near the Kuwaiti border Friday, close to where a private security team of four Americans and an Austrian were kidnapped. A top police official said a criminal gang had snatched the men and demanded ransom.

Gunmen wearing police uniforms abducted the security team near Safwan, a largely Sunni Arab city of 200,000 people in southern Iraq. The attack took place shortly after the Westerners had crossed the Kuwaiti border with a large convoy of supply trucks.

The convoy was traveling on the Iraq Military Road, which is infrequently used by civilian vehicles. Sunni insurgents attack supply convoys on a daily basis, not only on the roads from Kuwait but also from Turkey in the north and Jordan in the west.

Convoys are heavily armed, but not heavily enough. They can be several dozen vehicles long and are often attacked in the middle, their weakest point, reports CBS News correspondent Elizabeth Palmer.

Basra police Maj. Gen. Ali al-Moussawi refused to give details of the ransom demand late Friday after a series of confused and apparently incorrect reports that variously claimed the Austrian had been found dead and one of the Americans was gravely wounded. Another discounted report came from the Basra governor, who had said two Americans were freed and one hostage killed.

Al-Moussawi said police believed the five employees of the Crescent Security Co. were being held in the Safwan region along with trucks from the convoy.

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Click here to read Armen Keteyian’s report on civilian contractors deployed in Iraq.

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Throughout the day, U.S. officials and the British military, which still has about 7,000 troops in the Basra region, said they had no information on the kidnapped men.

The confusion in reports from Iraqi officials apparently grew out of their having been unaware initially of a fresh incident on Friday involving a British security team that had been stopped by Iraqi customs police on the same road where the Crescent Security team was abducted.

In other developments:

Americans' approval of President Bush's handling of Iraq has dropped to the lowest level ever, increasing the pressure on the commander-in-chief to find a way out after nearly four years of war. The latest Associated Press-Ipsos poll found just 31 percent approval on his handling of Iraq, days after voters registered their displeasure at the polls by defeating Republicans across the board and handing control of Congress to the Democrats. The previous low in AP-Ipsos polling was 33 percent in both June and August.

The Defense Department announced Friday that 57,000 U.S. troops, including five combat brigades, have been told to deploy to Iraq early next year. The deployment will maintain current force levels there. Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld signed the deployment orders for about 20,000 soldiers from active duty Army brigades based in four U.S. states and in Italy. Another 10,000 reserves and 27,000 active duty troops are scheduled to go to Iraq in smaller units.

Senators sat down Friday with Robert Gates for the first time since President Bush selected him to become the next defense secretary, and said they would push for him to be confirmed by the end of the year. The nominee is expected to testify publicly before the Senate Armed Services Committee the week of Dec. 4.

The influential Association of Muslim Scholars called on Sunni politicians to quit Iraq's government and parliament, angered by the government's decision to issue an arrest warrant for the association's leader, Harith al-Dhari. Abdul-Salam al-Kubaisi, a spokesman for the association, said the arrest warrant was political cover for "the acts of the government's security agencies that kill dozens of Iraqis every day."

Al-Moussawi said that as police checked the papers of the British security men in the lead vehicle, a car drove by at high speed and opened fire, killing one Briton and wounding a second in the car. British officials in Basra confirmed an incident involving security men but would provide no details.

The police major general speculated that Basra Gov. Mohammed al-Waili was not aware of that incident and had assumed the dead and wounded were from the group of five kidnapped the day before.

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by bob_burd November 16, 2006 10:15 AM PST

Good work by the US military in discovering and killing nine terrorists wearing suicide vests. Wearing those vests should be punishable by death.

Selah

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by peterbaldwin-2009 November 16, 2006 10:34 AM PST

Anyone who believes that the dead civilians were wearing suicide vests should look into buying Florida swamp land.

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by pakaal November 16, 2006 5:11 PM PST

Meanwhile, General Abizaid tells us the situation in Iraq is improving. Hmm.

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by alphaa10-2009 November 16, 2006 8:44 PM PST

Here it goes-- the undeclared civil war is declared with a vengeance. The obvious Sunni response is to interpret the Shia ministry edict as a death warrant for all Sunnis and and a brazen attempt to control their homeland.

Prior talk of partition will come to the fore, as Sunni and Shia realize religious differences are no weaker in Iraq than in Belfast. Perhaps, with no central authority commonly recognized, this is the only minimally-bloodless way out for all concerned.

Those opposed to partitioning the country must realize Iraq is an "unnatural" composite imposed by the Europeans after The Great War. The very concept of Iraq is the product of simple conditioning, backed by years of central control and authority in which all sectarian elements were ruthlessly hunted down and crushed. The same principle applied with former Soviet republics in Central Asia, which quickly seceded in the early 1990's as local Soviet garrisons were emptied.

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by patriotic9 November 16, 2006 9:00 PM PST

It is impossible that American Civilian contractors move from one place to another in IRAQ without U.S Military personnels.What happened to those Military personnels and how come enemies were able to kidnap Americans infront of American troops.
It is an evidence,how much our media and govt are hiding the truth.A lot more soldiers are dying every day in this UNCONVENTIONAL WAR then we are told.There is no use of being in a STATE OF DENIAL.Democracy means govt of the people.The people of UNITED STATES whose TAX money funds this NON-SENSE war have the full right to know what's actually going on in IRAQ.

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by rharrin1 November 16, 2006 9:47 PM PST

Time our guys are taken out of police mode and back to war mode. Somebody shoots from a building blow the building down stop playing nice guy.

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by feelfree1 November 16, 2006 10:03 PM PST

Sounds like the work of U.S. sponsored Shi'ite death squads (thanks again, Mr. Negroponte)

Note to editor:

When you write the term "contractors", are you talking about "dry-wallers" or "flooring specialists", or do you mean something more like "mercenaries" or "killers for hire".

If you mean the latter, then we are talking about men who willingly sell their integrity and humanity to the highest bidder. It's difficult to think of a more contemptible profession.

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by feelfree1 November 16, 2006 10:25 PM PST

Re: rharrin1

Some 655,000 Iraqis killed so far, and millions more humiliated, imprisoned, tortured, and raped by various U.S. agents, since the beginning of the 2003, illegal Iraq debacle.

How many more will quench your thirst?

Now the apolologists are trying to blame the Iraqis and their puppet-government, for the devistating U.S. moral and military defeat in Iraq. This includes many prominent Democrats like Carl Levin. Disgusting.

I certainly hope that the U.S. has hit a low point, because this particular period in our history, is already an unbearable disgrace to our country.

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by r2833g November 16, 2006 10:41 PM PST

Fighting any enemy with one hand behind your back while being watched by everyone is a total lose and a waste of american lives.You can win this war if we played by the terrorists rules.Now lets start the killing machine.

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by November 16, 2006 10:55 PM PST

r2833g wrote:

"Fighting any enemy with one hand behind your back while being watched by everyone is a total lose and a waste of american lives.You can win this war if we played by the terrorists rules.Now lets start the killing machine."

And just when are you going to fight in Iraq?

Or are you all talk and you're going to let others do the fighting for you.

People like you are a great recruitment poster for insurgents.

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by tinker3478 November 16, 2006 11:08 PM PST

My ****** works for Blackwater Security based out of Baghdad making about $20,000 a month. I tell his folks all he has to do for it is live.

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by grazinggoat November 16, 2006 11:40 PM PST

Lebanese Army trainers could be very successful in training an Iraqi army or security police. The Lebanese army has, I guess, similar proportions of Sunni, Shia and Christians soldiers. The Lebanese army has overcome the sectarian segregation due to religion or religious sects. The land is uniting the three major factions constituting the lebanese population.

This know-how could be transposed to the Iraqi army as well.

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by feelfree1 November 16, 2006 11:43 PM PST

Bob_Burd,

"Wearing (suicide) vests should be punishable by death."

That is stingingly ironic.

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by radiob-2009 November 17, 2006 7:28 AM PST

From Crescent Security's web site Crescent operates with a minimum configuration of 3 'gun trucks' per convoy with an emphasis on the safety of life, goods under transit and vehicles in our care.

Gun trucks are civilian vehicles upgraded and in house maintained to operate in hostile and extreme climatic environments. They can be of an up-armored, semi-armored or soft skinned configuration, with each carrying all necessities to be self sufficient for extended periods of time

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by radiob-2009 November 17, 2006 7:54 AM PST

Here is the web site I do not beleive anyone could claim that these are just security personal.
http://www.crescentsecuritygroup.com/

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by jhindson1 November 17, 2006 1:04 PM PST

General Abizaid does not want to be the one who has the Iraq war *lost* on his watch.
The war against Sadaam was won but the peace is already lost because the Iraqi Sunnis and Shiites do not want to set aside their differences hence there IS NO MILITARY SOLUTION.
This leaves the determination of whether or not their is a POLITICAL SOLUTION. It appears obvious that THERE IS NO POLITICAL SOLUTION and THEREFORE IT IS TIME TO LEAVE.

It would take a million dedictaed coordinated fighters to hold on for 10 years and MAYBE America could prop up an Iraqi Government that ling. Unless there are a million Western fighters willing to do this then the US should STRATEGICALLY REDEPLOY.
If the US does not like the new leaders that evolve, the arrogant US can always go in at any time later and take them out.

- - -And the US wonders why Iran is no pissed off - after having the US overthrow their government in 1953 and install the Torture Dictator Shaw and then supply Iraq with weapons to kill Iranians in the 1980s OF COURSE IRAN IS MAD AS HELL - WHY SHOULNT THEY BE?

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by tinker3478 November 17, 2006 1:34 PM PST

"President Bush, speaking Friday in Asia, promised to stand with the embattled government of Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki."

What a joke! When has Dubya stood with anyone. Behind maybe-never with. He crawfishes faster than any politician in history. How many people has he dumped to keep from taking the blame for his actions-Rumsfield is only the latest of the parade?

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by tinker3478 November 17, 2006 1:36 PM PST

radiob

You are correct. One of these particular vehicles was a white retro-fitted Suburban carrying a machine-gun in the rear section with three other gunners and a driver. His mother-my cousin-is still waiting to hear.

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by drudge2 November 17, 2006 3:16 PM PST

United States voters have spoken:
They know that the war for Iraq is lost and that Mr. Bush is a liar.
It is time to bring the troops home before anymore are killed.
Then there will be plenty of time for the US House of Representatives to investigate and then maybe impeach Mr. Bush for wrongly starting this war.
Then maybe the Republican Senators will see the logic of putting all the blame on Mr. Bush where it belongs instead of trying to blame Democrats.
And if Br. Bush were to get a little jail time for torture, kidnapping, and subverting the Constitution maybe future U.S. Presidents would behave better.

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by tinker3478 November 17, 2006 3:27 PM PST

Oh please, don't start again. The voters nor Bush have anything to do with contractors working over there. They would probably be over there even if the troops were not. They are there to make very large amounts of money to do exactly what Paul Ruben was doing. My cousin's son has maxed out several IRAs, bought the hummer, taken some luxury paid vacations. Seems he is safe by the way-this time. He's 28, graduated from high school, did 8 years in the marines, liked the guns and the adventure, and saw a way to make money. A state trooper I know has a wife who is cook for Halliburton-makes $15,000 a month. When she comes home next April, she and her husband intend use the money to build a house and retire.

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by feelfree1 November 17, 2006 4:31 PM PST

So now these abductees were "kidnapped", according to CBS News. That sounds about as likely as a rapist "making love" to their victim. Seems more likely that they were "captured".

These "contractors" are in Iraq to enrich themselves from the catastrophe resulting from the illegal invasion of Iraq.

I support the idea of liquidating the assets of war-profiteering "contractor" firms, such as Bechtel, Halliburton, and Blackwater, as well as weapons pushers like the Carlyle Group, Lokheed Martin, and G.E., then to use the proceeds to create a reparations fund for the people of Iraq, Afghanistan, the U.S., etc.

These organizations have profited from death and misery for far too long. The people of the world have absorbed more than enough of their 'business expenses', and it is time to reconcile that debt.

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by ketch65 November 17, 2006 4:55 PM PST

President Bush needs to take a HUGE banner back over there on a ship and land on it in front of all these peoples.

Don't they know they've been defeated? Mission Accomplished Iraqi Rebels!!!

Sheeeeeesh! You'd think they'd just give up after Democracy was established there. Don't they realize that they voted, there were all those purple thumbs up!

I just wonder what cut-throats were on the ballot though that they voted. Wonder if they all voted for their own seperate "butchers" to go fight agsint this rival clan or that one.

Ohhhhhhhhhhhh voting//democracy is grand, especially in the land of the cut-throats!!!

I think we should drop leaflets all over the land telling all Iraqi's that President Bush has outwitted them, and show them alllllll pictures of that ship with that HUGE banner proclaiming, MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!!!!

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by ketch65 November 17, 2006 5:01 PM PST

Pt.1 List

Here's a small incomplete list of American companies in Iraq doing all the business,, think of all the potential abductees...

Wonder how many "corporate" troops we have over in Iraq, hmmmmmmmmmmmm????


Abt Associates Inc.,,
Advanced Systems Development, Inc.
AECOM
AllWorld Language Consultants
American International Contractors, Inc.
American President Lines Ltd.
AOS, Inc.
Artel
Atlas Case, Inc.
Bald Industries
Bea Mauer, Inc.
BearingPoint Inc.
Bechtel Group Inc.
Blackwater Security Consulting L.L.C.
CACI International Inc.
Capital Shredder Corporation
Cartridge Discounters
CDW Government, Inc.
Cellhire USA
CH2M Hill
Chugach McKinley, Inc.
Comfort Inn
Complement, Inc., The
Contrack International Inc.
Creative Associates International Inc.
Dataline Inc.
Dell Marketing L.P.
Detection Monitoring Technologies
Development Alternatives Inc.
DHS Logistics Company
DynCorp (Computer Sciences Corp.)
Earth Tech, Inc.
EGL Eagle Global Logistics
EHI Company
Electric Generator Store, The
Environmental Chemical Corporation
EOD Technology Inc.
Expedited World Cargo Inc.
Explosive Ordnance Technologies Inc.
Export Depot
Fluor Corp.
Force 3
Foster Wheeler Co.
General Electric Company
Giesecke & Devrient America
Global Container Lines Ltd.
Global Professional Solutions

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by ketch65 November 17, 2006 5:02 PM PST

Part. 2 of List.


Global Services
GPS Store, Inc., The
Hardware Associates
Harris Corporation
Inglett and Stubbs LLC
Intelligent Enterprise Solutions
International American Products Inc.
International Global Systems, Inc.
International Resources Group
John S. Connor Inc.
JSI Inc.
Kellogg, Brown & Root (Halliburton)
Kollsman Inc
Kroll Inc.
Kropp Holdings
Lab Safety Supply
Laguna Construction Company, Inc.
LandSea Systems, Inc.
Landstar Express America Inc.
Liberty Shipping Group Ltd.
Logenix International L.L.C.
Louis Berger Group

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by gaye5 November 17, 2006 5:02 PM PST

I understand and agree with Bush going into Iraq. I have no doubt that they did have these weapons, but what I dont understand is why did Bush give Iraq, 18 months to hide them???? No one in their right mind tells the enemy that they are coming for them, and anyone with half a brain knows that Iraq would have hidden. I have pictures of Russian war planes courtesy of MSGT T. Collins, USAF...here is a bit of the article.
August 6, 2003 NewsMax.com has obtained exclusive photos of a buried Iraqi jet fighter being recovered by U.S. Air Force troops. The Iraqi jet, an advanced Russian MiG-25 Foxbat, was found buried in he sand after an informant tipped off U.S. troops. The MiG was dug out of a massive sand dune near the Al Taqqadum airfield by U.S. Air Force recovery teams. The MiG was reportedly one of over two dozen Iraqi jets buried in the sand, like hidden treasure, waiting to be recovered at a later date. Contrary to what some in the major media have reported, not all the jets found were from the Gulf War era. The Russian-made MiG-25 Foxbat being recovered by U.S. Air Force troops in the photos is an advanced reconnaissance version never before seen in the West and is equipped with sophisticated electronic warfare devices. U.S. Air Force recovery teams had to use large earth-moving equipment to uncover the MiG, which is over 70 feet long and weighs nearly 25 tons.
What else is in the sand hills or in other countries..

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by ketch65 November 17, 2006 5:02 PM PST

Part. 3 of List...

Lucent Technologies World Services, Inc.
Management Systems International
McNeil Technologies, Inc.
Mediterranean Shipping Company
MEI Research Corporation
Michael Baker Jr., Inc.
Midwest Research Institute
Military Professional Resources Inc.
Miscellaneous Foreign Contract
Motorola Inc.
MZM Inc.
NANA Pacific
Native American Industrial Distributors Inc.
Night Vision Equipment Company
Ocean Bulkships Inc.
Odebrect-Austin
Outfitter Satellite, Inc.
Parsons Corp.
Parsons Energy and Chemicals Group
Perini Corporation
Raytheon Technical Services
Readiness Management Support LC (Johnson Controls Inc.)
Red River Computer Company
Research Triangle Institute
Ronco Consulting Corporation

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by ketch65 November 17, 2006 5:03 PM PST

Part.4 of List....

S&K Technologies Inc.
Science Applications International Corp.
Sealift Inc.
Segovia Inc.
SETA Corporation
Shaw Group/Shaw E & I
Signature Science
Simmonds Precision Products
SkyLink Air and Logistic Support (USA) Inc.
Smith Office Machines Corporation
SPARCO
Stanley Baker Hill L.L.C.
Stanley Consultants
Staples National Advantage
Stevedoring Services of America
Structural Engineers
TECO Ocean Shipping Co.
Tetra Tech Inc.
Titan Corporation
Total Business
Transfair North America International
Triumph Technologies
Unisys Corporation
United Defense Industries, L.P.
USA Environmental Inc.
Vinnell Corporation (Northrop Grumman)
Ward Transformer Sales & Services
Washington Group International
WECSYS
Weston Solutions, Inc.
Zapata Engineering

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by feelfree1 November 17, 2006 5:04 PM PST

ketch65,

Re: "there were all those purple thumbs up!"

That put a smile on my face. Good one!

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by gaye5 November 17, 2006 5:08 PM PST

Here is some more of that article...
The MiG is capable of flying at speeds of over 2,000 miles an hour, or three times the speed of sound, and at altitudes of over 75,000 feet.
The Foxbat may also be equipped with ad-vanced Russian- and French-made electronics that were sold to Iraq during the 1990s in violation of a U..N. ban on arms sales to Baghdad. The buried aircraft at Al Taqqadum were covered in camouflage netting, sealed and, in many cases, had their wings removed before being buried more than 10 feet beneath the Iraqi desert. X Marks the Spot The discovery of the buried Iraqi jet fighters illustrates the problem faced by U.S. inspection teams searching Iraq for weapons of mass destruction. Iraq is larger in size than California, and the massive deserts south and west of Bagh-dad were used by Saddam Hussein to hide weapons during the first Gulf war. U.S. intelligence sources have already uncovered several mass grave burial sites in the open deserts with an est-imated 10,000 dead hidden there. In addition, Iraq previously hid SCUD missiles, chemical weap-ons and biological warheads by burying them under the desert sand.

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by ketch65 November 17, 2006 5:11 PM PST

The bestest bestest company I vote for in Iraq is this one....

http://goliath.ecnext.com/coms2/product-compint-0001138179-page.html

American President Lines LTD.

I love Goliath's banner on their hosting site that has this comp info on it.....

GOLIATH-knowledge on demand...!!!!

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by ketch65 November 17, 2006 5:13 PM PST

woops I think I messed that link up.... sorry,,,

http://goliath.ecnext.com/coms2/product-compint-0001138179-page.html

let's see if this one comes out correct....

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by gaye5 November 17, 2006 5:14 PM PST

This is the last of the other two posts below... of course I cant post the pictures of the men and machines digging the planes out of the sand, but they were there, so why not weapons ....

While there are rumors of Iraqi chemical and biological weapons being shipped to nearby Syria, the weapons may very well still remain inside Iraq buried under the vast desert wastelands. Some critics of the Bush adminis-tration have claimed that the inability of U..S.. forces to uncover weapons of mass destruction is proof that the president misled the nation into the war with Iraq.

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by feelfree1 November 17, 2006 5:15 PM PST

gaye5,

Re: "What else is in the sand hills or in other countries.."

Nothing significant has been found, despite several multi-million dollar efforts. Rumsfeld claimed that he "knew where they (WMD) were". He didn't, because there were none.

The war against Iraq is an illegal war of aggression, and is a notably among the most disgraceful moments in our nation's history.

I think that Bush will go down in history as the puppet-front-man for the greatest terrorist organization ever. The failures of the Bush regime and their collaborators are epic.

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by feelfree1 November 17, 2006 5:18 PM PST

ketch65,

Thanks for the list. Source please?

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by ketch65 November 17, 2006 5:21 PM PST

What amazes me is that they haven't revealed the "hidden weapons of MASS DESTRUCTRUCTION" already.

Lord knows, all the presidents men have been working feverishly to hide them over there so they can discover them and say, "by gull, look we we done did foundediddiddid,,, we found these weapons here!!! tole ya so,"

Then everyone will weep across America for doubting, even some people who stand by the President during any and all inclement political weather,, and are unwavered in their steadfast support yet all the while knowing they smell a dirty dirty rat in the rice bag....!!!

There will be parades and expensive memorials, even a bust of the President thrusting a sword into the bust of Saddam, the famed butcher of baghdad,,, baby killa....!!!!!!

And everyone the world over will blush and weep, and live happily ever after.

Good nite..!!

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by ketch65 November 17, 2006 5:34 PM PST

http://www.laweekly.com/news/news/made-in-the-usa-part-iii-the-dishonor-roll/2889/

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by ketch65 November 17, 2006 5:35 PM PST

My links won't come out properly, hmmmmmm...


http://www.laweekly.com/news/news/made-in-the-usa-part-iii-the-dishonor-roll/2889/

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by ketch65 November 17, 2006 5:36 PM PST

*******ketch65,

Thanks for the list. Source please?
Posted by FeelFree1 at 05:18 PM : Nov 17, 2006******

Oh, sorry, I'll post some links to where I found the companies, I don't think it's all of them, I'm still compiling the list....

I found a few "updated" lists via the web though....

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by feelfree1 November 17, 2006 5:40 PM PST

ketch65,

Thank you. Good job!

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by ketch65 November 17, 2006 5:40 PM PST

I think we should all work in Iraq.

http://www.jobline.net/jobiraq1.htm

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by yvr_docfan November 17, 2006 5:41 PM PST

There is a very good documentary feature out now called "Shadow Company" that shows an unbiased/balanced view of private security contractors, and the doc has some fantastic film footage that was shot by PSC's "on the job" in Iraq. This documentary has been showed to some US Congress members this past spring in Washington, DC, and the doc is currently screening around the U.S., Canada and Europe. The films website has several clips available for viewing - www.shadowcompanythemovie.com

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by ketch65 November 17, 2006 5:45 PM PST

Working conditions are harsh in Iraq....!

http://www.icasualties.org/oif/Civ.aspx

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by gaye5 November 17, 2006 5:46 PM PST

FeelFree1.... I am sorry to inform you but you are wrong.
however I do agree that it is well and truely time for us to get out of Iraq, I dont hear any news of Iraqis helping find our men etc and it appears that they dont want us there and hate our guts... Muslims hate us and the quran say's that they are not allowed to be our friends (unless it is to convert us) because we are infidels, mohammad's orders are to destroy all who will not submitt until the WHOLE world is for Allah... and once their numbers and weapons are enough to do so, they will do so.
I just wish our leaders and the media would read the last three quarters of the quran and others of their holy books to see what we are up against and to see what they intend for us. The first part of thequran is pretty much like other religious books, talking of peace, however once their numbers grew to become a force, allah changed his mind and it became revengeful.. We have to realise that there cannot be any moderate muslims, the quran says that if they dont go to war then they are called they are counted as apostates and are also slaughtered... but as the media is totally left we have to realise that we dont hear all the truth.
Getting letters from loved ones from our forces in Iraq, seem to paint a different picture, I would love to see letters from our returned soldiers, and see what is the truth...

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by gaye5 November 17, 2006 5:46 PM PST

FeelFree1.... I am sorry to inform you but you are wrong.
however I do agree that it is well and truely time for us to get out of Iraq, I dont hear any news of Iraqis helping find our men etc and it appears that they dont want us there and hate our guts... Muslims hate us and the quran say's that they are not allowed to be our friends (unless it is to convert us) because we are infidels, mohammad's orders are to destroy all who will not submitt until the WHOLE world is for Allah... and once their numbers and weapons are enough to do so, they will do so.
I just wish our leaders and the media would read the last three quarters of the quran and others of their holy books to see what we are up against and to see what they intend for us. The first part of thequran is pretty much like other religious books, talking of peace, however once their numbers grew to become a force, allah changed his mind and it became revengeful.. We have to realise that there cannot be any moderate muslims, the quran says that if they dont go to war then they are called they are counted as apostates and are also slaughtered... but as the media is totally left we have to realise that we dont hear all the truth.
Getting letters from loved ones from our forces in Iraq, seem to paint a different picture, I would love to see letters from our returned soldiers, and see what is the truth...

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by ketch65 November 17, 2006 5:47 PM PST

********www.shadowcompanythemovie.com********

Yeah but I heard this was another conspiricy flic,, put out by the libs, dems and commies....!!

When Rush Limbaugh wakes up and salutes it I'll watch it, but until then, I'm nodding off with my El Rushitan....!!

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by gaye5 November 17, 2006 5:48 PM PST

FeelFree1.... I am sorry to inform you but you are wrong.
however I do agree that it is well and truely time for us to get out of Iraq, I dont hear any news of Iraqis helping find our men etc and it appears that they dont want us there and hate our guts... Muslims hate us and the quran say's that they are not allowed to be our friends (unless it is to convert us) because we are infidels, mohammad's orders are to destroy all who will not submitt until the WHOLE world is for Allah... and once their numbers and weapons are enough to do so, they will do so.
Our leaders and the media should read the last three quarters of the quran and others of their holy books to see what we are up against. The first part of the quran is pretty much like other religious books, talking of peace, however once their numbers grew to become a force, allah changed his mind and it became revengeful.. We have to realise that there cannot be any moderate muslims, the quran says that if they dont go to war then they are called they are counted as apostates and are also slaughtered... but as the media is totally left we have to realise that we dont hear all the truth.
Getting letters from loved ones from our forces in Iraq, seem to paint a different picture, I would love to see letters from our returned soldiers, and see what is the truth...

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by feelfree1 November 17, 2006 5:48 PM PST

ketch65,

I would like to suggest the 'Lincoln Group' and the 'Rand Corporation' for your list. They have provided massive propaganda support for the U.S. debacle in Iraq.

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by gaye5 November 17, 2006 5:48 PM PST

FeelFree1.... I am sorry to inform you but you are wrong.
however I do agree that it is well and truely time for us to get out of Iraq, I dont hear any news of Iraqis helping find our men etc and it appears that they dont want us there and hate our guts... Muslims hate us and the quran say's that they are not allowed to be our friends (unless it is to convert us) because we are infidels, mohammad's orders are to destroy all who will not submitt until the WHOLE world is for Allah... and once their numbers and weapons are enough to do so, they will do so.
Our leaders and the media should read the last three quarters of the quran and others of their holy books to see what we are up against. The first part of the quran is pretty much like other religious books, talking of peace, however once their numbers grew to become a force, allah changed his mind and it became revengeful.. We have to realise that there cannot be any moderate muslims, the quran says that if they dont go to war then they are called they are counted as apostates and are also slaughtered... but as the media is totally left we have to realise that we dont hear all the truth.

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by gaye5 November 17, 2006 5:49 PM PST

FeelFree1.... I am sorry to inform you but you are wrong.
however I do agree that it is well and truely time for us to get out of Iraq, I dont hear any news of Iraqis helping find our men etc and it appears that they dont want us there and hate our guts... Muslims hate us and the quran say's that they are not allowed to be our friends (unless it is to convert us) because we are infidels, mohammad's orders are to destroy all who will not submitt until the WHOLE world is for Allah... and once their numbers and weapons are enough to do so, they will do so.
Our leaders and the media should read the last three quarters of the quran and others of their holy books to see what we are up against. The first part of the quran is pretty much like other religious books, talking of peace, however once their numbers grew to become a force, allah changed his mind and it became revengeful.. We have to realise that there cannot be any moderate muslims, the quran says that if they dont go to war then they are called they are counted as apostates and are also slaughtered... but as the media is totally left we have to realise that we dont hear all the truth.

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by sunshine_2 November 17, 2006 5:53 PM PST

Tinker3478

It may be the Presidents way of determining the fate of Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki.
Any time Our Leader has Steped up to Support or stand with, beside or encourage somebody ... that person later resigned, was fired or did not get re-elected. Look at the 2006 Elections, mot os the Republicans that did get re-eclectd avoided any public press coverage with Mr. Bush. What happended to FIMA's Leader within a day after the "Your Doning A Great Job Brownie"? Before the 2006 Elections, Bush swore to "Remain Steadfast wiht Rommy, following the Election results being known he had Rommy resign the next day. The more he backs the Prime Minister the more "Political Clout" this guy loses, adn the weaker the President looks for backing a man whocant get the Militia to Dis Arm adn bring some proportion of peace.
Does this mean The Prime Ministe's fate is also, soon to be doomed?

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[bob_burd]

Good work by the US military in discovering and killing nine terrorists wearing suicide vests. Wearing those vests should be punishable by death.

Selah

[peterbaldwin-2009]

Anyone who believes that the dead civilians were wearing suicide vests should look into buying Florida swamp land.

[pakaal]

Meanwhile, General Abizaid tells us the situation in Iraq is improving. Hmm.

[alphaa10-2009]

Here it goes-- the undeclared civil war is declared with a vengeance. The obvious Sunni response is to interpret the Shia ministry edict as a death warrant for all Sunnis and and a brazen attempt to control their homeland.

Prior talk of partition will come to the fore, as Sunni and Shia realize religious differences are no weaker in Iraq than in Belfast. Perhaps, with no central authority commonly recognized, this is the only minimally-bloodless way out for all concerned.

Those opposed to partitioning the country must realize Iraq is an "unnatural" composite imposed by the Europeans after The Great War. The very concept of Iraq is the product of simple conditioning, backed by years of central control and authority in which all sectarian elements were ruthlessly hunted down and crushed. The same principle applied with former Soviet republics in Central Asia, which quickly seceded in the early 1990's as local Soviet garrisons were emptied.

[patriotic9]

It is impossible that American Civilian contractors move from one place to another in IRAQ without U.S Military personnels.What happened to those Military personnels and how come enemies were able to kidnap Americans infront of American troops.
It is an evidence,how much our media and govt are hiding the truth.A lot more soldiers are dying every day in this UNCONVENTIONAL WAR then we are told.There is no use of being in a STATE OF DENIAL.Democracy means govt of the people.The people of UNITED STATES whose TAX money funds this NON-SENSE war have the full right to know what's actually going on in IRAQ.

[rharrin1]

Time our guys are taken out of police mode and back to war mode. Somebody shoots from a building blow the building down stop playing nice guy.

[feelfree1]

Sounds like the work of U.S. sponsored Shi'ite death squads (thanks again, Mr. Negroponte)

Note to editor:

When you write the term "contractors", are you talking about "dry-wallers" or "flooring specialists", or do you mean something more like "mercenaries" or "killers for hire".

If you mean the latter, then we are talking about men who willingly sell their integrity and humanity to the highest bidder. It's difficult to think of a more contemptible profession.

[feelfree1]

Re: rharrin1

Some 655,000 Iraqis killed so far, and millions more humiliated, imprisoned, tortured, and raped by various U.S. agents, since the beginning of the 2003, illegal Iraq debacle.

How many more will quench your thirst?

Now the apolologists are trying to blame the Iraqis and their puppet-government, for the devistating U.S. moral and military defeat in Iraq. This includes many prominent Democrats like Carl Levin. Disgusting.

I certainly hope that the U.S. has hit a low point, because this particular period in our history, is already an unbearable disgrace to our country.

[r2833g]

Fighting any enemy with one hand behind your back while being watched by everyone is a total lose and a waste of american lives.You can win this war if we played by the terrorists rules.Now lets start the killing machine.

r2833g wrote:

"Fighting any enemy with one hand behind your back while being watched by everyone is a total lose and a waste of american lives.You can win this war if we played by the terrorists rules.Now lets start the killing machine."

And just when are you going to fight in Iraq?

Or are you all talk and you're going to let others do the fighting for you.

People like you are a great recruitment poster for insurgents.

[tinker3478]

My ****** works for Blackwater Security based out of Baghdad making about $20,000 a month. I tell his folks all he has to do for it is live.

[grazinggoat]

Lebanese Army trainers could be very successful in training an Iraqi army or security police. The Lebanese army has, I guess, similar proportions of Sunni, Shia and Christians soldiers. The Lebanese army has overcome the sectarian segregation due to religion or religious sects. The land is uniting the three major factions constituting the lebanese population.

This know-how could be transposed to the Iraqi army as well.

[feelfree1]

Bob_Burd,

"Wearing (suicide) vests should be punishable by death."

That is stingingly ironic.

[radiob-2009]

From Crescent Security's web site Crescent operates with a minimum configuration of 3 'gun trucks' per convoy with an emphasis on the safety of life, goods under transit and vehicles in our care.

Gun trucks are civilian vehicles upgraded and in house maintained to operate in hostile and extreme climatic environments. They can be of an up-armored, semi-armored or soft skinned configuration, with each carrying all necessities to be self sufficient for extended periods of time

[radiob-2009]

Here is the web site I do not beleive anyone could claim that these are just security personal.
http://www.crescentsecuritygroup.com/

[jhindson1]

General Abizaid does not want to be the one who has the Iraq war *lost* on his watch.
The war against Sadaam was won but the peace is already lost because the Iraqi Sunnis and Shiites do not want to set aside their differences hence there IS NO MILITARY SOLUTION.
This leaves the determination of whether or not their is a POLITICAL SOLUTION. It appears obvious that THERE IS NO POLITICAL SOLUTION and THEREFORE IT IS TIME TO LEAVE.

It would take a million dedictaed coordinated fighters to hold on for 10 years and MAYBE America could prop up an Iraqi Government that ling. Unless there are a million Western fighters willing to do this then the US should STRATEGICALLY REDEPLOY.
If the US does not like the new leaders that evolve, the arrogant US can always go in at any time later and take them out.

- - -And the US wonders why Iran is no pissed off - after having the US overthrow their government in 1953 and install the Torture Dictator Shaw and then supply Iraq with weapons to kill Iranians in the 1980s OF COURSE IRAN IS MAD AS HELL - WHY SHOULNT THEY BE?

[tinker3478]

"President Bush, speaking Friday in Asia, promised to stand with the embattled government of Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki."

What a joke! When has Dubya stood with anyone. Behind maybe-never with. He crawfishes faster than any politician in history. How many people has he dumped to keep from taking the blame for his actions-Rumsfield is only the latest of the parade?

[tinker3478]

radiob

You are correct. One of these particular vehicles was a white retro-fitted Suburban carrying a machine-gun in the rear section with three other gunners and a driver. His mother-my cousin-is still waiting to hear.

[drudge2]

United States voters have spoken:
They know that the war for Iraq is lost and that Mr. Bush is a liar.
It is time to bring the troops home before anymore are killed.
Then there will be plenty of time for the US House of Representatives to investigate and then maybe impeach Mr. Bush for wrongly starting this war.
Then maybe the Republican Senators will see the logic of putting all the blame on Mr. Bush where it belongs instead of trying to blame Democrats.
And if Br. Bush were to get a little jail time for torture, kidnapping, and subverting the Constitution maybe future U.S. Presidents would behave better.

[tinker3478]

Oh please, don't start again. The voters nor Bush have anything to do with contractors working over there. They would probably be over there even if the troops were not. They are there to make very large amounts of money to do exactly what Paul Ruben was doing. My cousin's son has maxed out several IRAs, bought the hummer, taken some luxury paid vacations. Seems he is safe by the way-this time. He's 28, graduated from high school, did 8 years in the marines, liked the guns and the adventure, and saw a way to make money. A state trooper I know has a wife who is cook for Halliburton-makes $15,000 a month. When she comes home next April, she and her husband intend use the money to build a house and retire.

[feelfree1]

So now these abductees were "kidnapped", according to CBS News. That sounds about as likely as a rapist "making love" to their victim. Seems more likely that they were "captured".

These "contractors" are in Iraq to enrich themselves from the catastrophe resulting from the illegal invasion of Iraq.

I support the idea of liquidating the assets of war-profiteering "contractor" firms, such as Bechtel, Halliburton, and Blackwater, as well as weapons pushers like the Carlyle Group, Lokheed Martin, and G.E., then to use the proceeds to create a reparations fund for the people of Iraq, Afghanistan, the U.S., etc.

These organizations have profited from death and misery for far too long. The people of the world have absorbed more than enough of their 'business expenses', and it is time to reconcile that debt.

[ketch65]

President Bush needs to take a HUGE banner back over there on a ship and land on it in front of all these peoples.

Don't they know they've been defeated? Mission Accomplished Iraqi Rebels!!!

Sheeeeeesh! You'd think they'd just give up after Democracy was established there. Don't they realize that they voted, there were all those purple thumbs up!

I just wonder what cut-throats were on the ballot though that they voted. Wonder if they all voted for their own seperate "butchers" to go fight agsint this rival clan or that one.

Ohhhhhhhhhhhh voting//democracy is grand, especially in the land of the cut-throats!!!

I think we should drop leaflets all over the land telling all Iraqi's that President Bush has outwitted them, and show them alllllll pictures of that ship with that HUGE banner proclaiming, MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!!!!

[ketch65]

Pt.1 List

Here's a small incomplete list of American companies in Iraq doing all the business,, think of all the potential abductees...

Wonder how many "corporate" troops we have over in Iraq, hmmmmmmmmmmmm????


Abt Associates Inc.,,
Advanced Systems Development, Inc.
AECOM
AllWorld Language Consultants
American International Contractors, Inc.
American President Lines Ltd.
AOS, Inc.
Artel
Atlas Case, Inc.
Bald Industries
Bea Mauer, Inc.
BearingPoint Inc.
Bechtel Group Inc.
Blackwater Security Consulting L.L.C.
CACI International Inc.
Capital Shredder Corporation
Cartridge Discounters
CDW Government, Inc.
Cellhire USA
CH2M Hill
Chugach McKinley, Inc.
Comfort Inn
Complement, Inc., The
Contrack International Inc.
Creative Associates International Inc.
Dataline Inc.
Dell Marketing L.P.
Detection Monitoring Technologies
Development Alternatives Inc.
DHS Logistics Company
DynCorp (Computer Sciences Corp.)
Earth Tech, Inc.
EGL Eagle Global Logistics
EHI Company
Electric Generator Store, The
Environmental Chemical Corporation
EOD Technology Inc.
Expedited World Cargo Inc.
Explosive Ordnance Technologies Inc.
Export Depot
Fluor Corp.
Force 3
Foster Wheeler Co.
General Electric Company
Giesecke & Devrient America
Global Container Lines Ltd.
Global Professional Solutions

[ketch65]

Part. 2 of List.


Global Services
GPS Store, Inc., The
Hardware Associates
Harris Corporation
Inglett and Stubbs LLC
Intelligent Enterprise Solutions
International American Products Inc.
International Global Systems, Inc.
International Resources Group
John S. Connor Inc.
JSI Inc.
Kellogg, Brown & Root (Halliburton)
Kollsman Inc
Kroll Inc.
Kropp Holdings
Lab Safety Supply
Laguna Construction Company, Inc.
LandSea Systems, Inc.
Landstar Express America Inc.
Liberty Shipping Group Ltd.
Logenix International L.L.C.
Louis Berger Group

[gaye5]

I understand and agree with Bush going into Iraq. I have no doubt that they did have these weapons, but what I dont understand is why did Bush give Iraq, 18 months to hide them???? No one in their right mind tells the enemy that they are coming for them, and anyone with half a brain knows that Iraq would have hidden. I have pictures of Russian war planes courtesy of MSGT T. Collins, USAF...here is a bit of the article.
August 6, 2003 NewsMax.com has obtained exclusive photos of a buried Iraqi jet fighter being recovered by U.S. Air Force troops. The Iraqi jet, an advanced Russian MiG-25 Foxbat, was found buried in he sand after an informant tipped off U.S. troops. The MiG was dug out of a massive sand dune near the Al Taqqadum airfield by U.S. Air Force recovery teams. The MiG was reportedly one of over two dozen Iraqi jets buried in the sand, like hidden treasure, waiting to be recovered at a later date. Contrary to what some in the major media have reported, not all the jets found were from the Gulf War era. The Russian-made MiG-25 Foxbat being recovered by U.S. Air Force troops in the photos is an advanced reconnaissance version never before seen in the West and is equipped with sophisticated electronic warfare devices. U.S. Air Force recovery teams had to use large earth-moving equipment to uncover the MiG, which is over 70 feet long and weighs nearly 25 tons.
What else is in the sand hills or in other countries..

[ketch65]

Part. 3 of List...

Lucent Technologies World Services, Inc.
Management Systems International
McNeil Technologies, Inc.
Mediterranean Shipping Company
MEI Research Corporation
Michael Baker Jr., Inc.
Midwest Research Institute
Military Professional Resources Inc.
Miscellaneous Foreign Contract
Motorola Inc.
MZM Inc.
NANA Pacific
Native American Industrial Distributors Inc.
Night Vision Equipment Company
Ocean Bulkships Inc.
Odebrect-Austin
Outfitter Satellite, Inc.
Parsons Corp.
Parsons Energy and Chemicals Group
Perini Corporation
Raytheon Technical Services
Readiness Management Support LC (Johnson Controls Inc.)
Red River Computer Company
Research Triangle Institute
Ronco Consulting Corporation

[ketch65]

Part.4 of List....

S&K Technologies Inc.
Science Applications International Corp.
Sealift Inc.
Segovia Inc.
SETA Corporation
Shaw Group/Shaw E & I
Signature Science
Simmonds Precision Products
SkyLink Air and Logistic Support (USA) Inc.
Smith Office Machines Corporation
SPARCO
Stanley Baker Hill L.L.C.
Stanley Consultants
Staples National Advantage
Stevedoring Services of America
Structural Engineers
TECO Ocean Shipping Co.
Tetra Tech Inc.
Titan Corporation
Total Business
Transfair North America International
Triumph Technologies
Unisys Corporation
United Defense Industries, L.P.
USA Environmental Inc.
Vinnell Corporation (Northrop Grumman)
Ward Transformer Sales & Services
Washington Group International
WECSYS
Weston Solutions, Inc.
Zapata Engineering

[feelfree1]

ketch65,

Re: "there were all those purple thumbs up!"

That put a smile on my face. Good one!

[gaye5]

Here is some more of that article...
The MiG is capable of flying at speeds of over 2,000 miles an hour, or three times the speed of sound, and at altitudes of over 75,000 feet.
The Foxbat may also be equipped with ad-vanced Russian- and French-made electronics that were sold to Iraq during the 1990s in violation of a U..N. ban on arms sales to Baghdad. The buried aircraft at Al Taqqadum were covered in camouflage netting, sealed and, in many cases, had their wings removed before being buried more than 10 feet beneath the Iraqi desert. X Marks the Spot The discovery of the buried Iraqi jet fighters illustrates the problem faced by U.S. inspection teams searching Iraq for weapons of mass destruction. Iraq is larger in size than California, and the massive deserts south and west of Bagh-dad were used by Saddam Hussein to hide weapons during the first Gulf war. U.S. intelligence sources have already uncovered several mass grave burial sites in the open deserts with an est-imated 10,000 dead hidden there. In addition, Iraq previously hid SCUD missiles, chemical weap-ons and biological warheads by burying them under the desert sand.

[ketch65]

The bestest bestest company I vote for in Iraq is this one....

http://goliath.ecnext.com/coms2/product-compint-0001138179-page.html

American President Lines LTD.

I love Goliath's banner on their hosting site that has this comp info on it.....

GOLIATH-knowledge on demand...!!!!

[ketch65]

woops I think I messed that link up.... sorry,,,

http://goliath.ecnext.com/coms2/product-compint-0001138179-page.html

let's see if this one comes out correct....

[gaye5]

This is the last of the other two posts below... of course I cant post the pictures of the men and machines digging the planes out of the sand, but they were there, so why not weapons ....

While there are rumors of Iraqi chemical and biological weapons being shipped to nearby Syria, the weapons may very well still remain inside Iraq buried under the vast desert wastelands. Some critics of the Bush adminis-tration have claimed that the inability of U..S.. forces to uncover weapons of mass destruction is proof that the president misled the nation into the war with Iraq.

[feelfree1]

gaye5,

Re: "What else is in the sand hills or in other countries.."

Nothing significant has been found, despite several multi-million dollar efforts. Rumsfeld claimed that he "knew where they (WMD) were". He didn't, because there were none.

The war against Iraq is an illegal war of aggression, and is a notably among the most disgraceful moments in our nation's history.

I think that Bush will go down in history as the puppet-front-man for the greatest terrorist organization ever. The failures of the Bush regime and their collaborators are epic.

[feelfree1]

ketch65,

Thanks for the list. Source please?

[ketch65]

What amazes me is that they haven't revealed the "hidden weapons of MASS DESTRUCTRUCTION" already.

Lord knows, all the presidents men have been working feverishly to hide them over there so they can discover them and say, "by gull, look we we done did foundediddiddid,,, we found these weapons here!!! tole ya so,"

Then everyone will weep across America for doubting, even some people who stand by the President during any and all inclement political weather,, and are unwavered in their steadfast support yet all the while knowing they smell a dirty dirty rat in the rice bag....!!!

There will be parades and expensive memorials, even a bust of the President thrusting a sword into the bust of Saddam, the famed butcher of baghdad,,, baby killa....!!!!!!

And everyone the world over will blush and weep, and live happily ever after.

Good nite..!!

[ketch65]

http://www.laweekly.com/news/news/made-in-the-usa-part-iii-the-dishonor-roll/2889/

[ketch65]

My links won't come out properly, hmmmmmm...


http://www.laweekly.com/news/news/made-in-the-usa-part-iii-the-dishonor-roll/2889/

[ketch65]

*******ketch65,

Thanks for the list. Source please?
Posted by FeelFree1 at 05:18 PM : Nov 17, 2006******

Oh, sorry, I'll post some links to where I found the companies, I don't think it's all of them, I'm still compiling the list....

I found a few "updated" lists via the web though....

[feelfree1]

ketch65,

Thank you. Good job!

[ketch65]

I think we should all work in Iraq.

http://www.jobline.net/jobiraq1.htm

[yvr_docfan]

There is a very good documentary feature out now called "Shadow Company" that shows an unbiased/balanced view of private security contractors, and the doc has some fantastic film footage that was shot by PSC's "on the job" in Iraq. This documentary has been showed to some US Congress members this past spring in Washington, DC, and the doc is currently screening around the U.S., Canada and Europe. The films website has several clips available for viewing - www.shadowcompanythemovie.com

[ketch65]

Working conditions are harsh in Iraq....!

http://www.icasualties.org/oif/Civ.aspx

[gaye5]

FeelFree1.... I am sorry to inform you but you are wrong.
however I do agree that it is well and truely time for us to get out of Iraq, I dont hear any news of Iraqis helping find our men etc and it appears that they dont want us there and hate our guts... Muslims hate us and the quran say's that they are not allowed to be our friends (unless it is to convert us) because we are infidels, mohammad's orders are to destroy all who will not submitt until the WHOLE world is for Allah... and once their numbers and weapons are enough to do so, they will do so.
I just wish our leaders and the media would read the last three quarters of the quran and others of their holy books to see what we are up against and to see what they intend for us. The first part of thequran is pretty much like other religious books, talking of peace, however once their numbers grew to become a force, allah changed his mind and it became revengeful.. We have to realise that there cannot be any moderate muslims, the quran says that if they dont go to war then they are called they are counted as apostates and are also slaughtered... but as the media is totally left we have to realise that we dont hear all the truth.
Getting letters from loved ones from our forces in Iraq, seem to paint a different picture, I would love to see letters from our returned soldiers, and see what is the truth...

[gaye5]

FeelFree1.... I am sorry to inform you but you are wrong.
however I do agree that it is well and truely time for us to get out of Iraq, I dont hear any news of Iraqis helping find our men etc and it appears that they dont want us there and hate our guts... Muslims hate us and the quran say's that they are not allowed to be our friends (unless it is to convert us) because we are infidels, mohammad's orders are to destroy all who will not submitt until the WHOLE world is for Allah... and once their numbers and weapons are enough to do so, they will do so.
I just wish our leaders and the media would read the last three quarters of the quran and others of their holy books to see what we are up against and to see what they intend for us. The first part of thequran is pretty much like other religious books, talking of peace, however once their numbers grew to become a force, allah changed his mind and it became revengeful.. We have to realise that there cannot be any moderate muslims, the quran says that if they dont go to war then they are called they are counted as apostates and are also slaughtered... but as the media is totally left we have to realise that we dont hear all the truth.
Getting letters from loved ones from our forces in Iraq, seem to paint a different picture, I would love to see letters from our returned soldiers, and see what is the truth...

[ketch65]

********www.shadowcompanythemovie.com********

Yeah but I heard this was another conspiricy flic,, put out by the libs, dems and commies....!!

When Rush Limbaugh wakes up and salutes it I'll watch it, but until then, I'm nodding off with my El Rushitan....!!

[gaye5]

FeelFree1.... I am sorry to inform you but you are wrong.
however I do agree that it is well and truely time for us to get out of Iraq, I dont hear any news of Iraqis helping find our men etc and it appears that they dont want us there and hate our guts... Muslims hate us and the quran say's that they are not allowed to be our friends (unless it is to convert us) because we are infidels, mohammad's orders are to destroy all who will not submitt until the WHOLE world is for Allah... and once their numbers and weapons are enough to do so, they will do so.
Our leaders and the media should read the last three quarters of the quran and others of their holy books to see what we are up against. The first part of the quran is pretty much like other religious books, talking of peace, however once their numbers grew to become a force, allah changed his mind and it became revengeful.. We have to realise that there cannot be any moderate muslims, the quran says that if they dont go to war then they are called they are counted as apostates and are also slaughtered... but as the media is totally left we have to realise that we dont hear all the truth.
Getting letters from loved ones from our forces in Iraq, seem to paint a different picture, I would love to see letters from our returned soldiers, and see what is the truth...

[feelfree1]

ketch65,

I would like to suggest the 'Lincoln Group' and the 'Rand Corporation' for your list. They have provided massive propaganda support for the U.S. debacle in Iraq.

[gaye5]

FeelFree1.... I am sorry to inform you but you are wrong.
however I do agree that it is well and truely time for us to get out of Iraq, I dont hear any news of Iraqis helping find our men etc and it appears that they dont want us there and hate our guts... Muslims hate us and the quran say's that they are not allowed to be our friends (unless it is to convert us) because we are infidels, mohammad's orders are to destroy all who will not submitt until the WHOLE world is for Allah... and once their numbers and weapons are enough to do so, they will do so.
Our leaders and the media should read the last three quarters of the quran and others of their holy books to see what we are up against. The first part of the quran is pretty much like other religious books, talking of peace, however once their numbers grew to become a force, allah changed his mind and it became revengeful.. We have to realise that there cannot be any moderate muslims, the quran says that if they dont go to war then they are called they are counted as apostates and are also slaughtered... but as the media is totally left we have to realise that we dont hear all the truth.

[gaye5]

FeelFree1.... I am sorry to inform you but you are wrong.
however I do agree that it is well and truely time for us to get out of Iraq, I dont hear any news of Iraqis helping find our men etc and it appears that they dont want us there and hate our guts... Muslims hate us and the quran say's that they are not allowed to be our friends (unless it is to convert us) because we are infidels, mohammad's orders are to destroy all who will not submitt until the WHOLE world is for Allah... and once their numbers and weapons are enough to do so, they will do so.
Our leaders and the media should read the last three quarters of the quran and others of their holy books to see what we are up against. The first part of the quran is pretty much like other religious books, talking of peace, however once their numbers grew to become a force, allah changed his mind and it became revengeful.. We have to realise that there cannot be any moderate muslims, the quran says that if they dont go to war then they are called they are counted as apostates and are also slaughtered... but as the media is totally left we have to realise that we dont hear all the truth.

[sunshine_2]

Tinker3478

It may be the Presidents way of determining the fate of Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki.
Any time Our Leader has Steped up to Support or stand with, beside or encourage somebody ... that person later resigned, was fired or did not get re-elected. Look at the 2006 Elections, mot os the Republicans that did get re-eclectd avoided any public press coverage with Mr. Bush. What happended to FIMA's Leader within a day after the "Your Doning A Great Job Brownie"? Before the 2006 Elections, Bush swore to "Remain Steadfast wiht Rommy, following the Election results being known he had Rommy resign the next day. The more he backs the Prime Minister the more "Political Clout" this guy loses, adn the weaker the President looks for backing a man whocant get the Militia to Dis Arm adn bring some proportion of peace.
Does this mean The Prime Ministe's fate is also, soon to be doomed?