Official: 150,000 Iraqis Killed Since 2003
About 150,000 Iraqis have been killed by insurgents since the U.S.-led invasion more than three years ago, a senior Iraqi official said Thursday.
For every person killed about three have been wounded in violence since the war started in March 2003, Iraq's Health Minister Ali al-Shemari told reporters in Vienna.
The 150,000 — three times more than other estimates — was the first overall casualty figure for the war to be released by the Iraqi government, which took office on May 20.
Al-Shemari did not explain how he arrived at the figure or say whether that number included Iraqi soldiers and police, as well as civilians. Also unclear was if it included Iraqis killed in sectarian violence or only in insurgent attacks. But he said the count was of "innocent" victims, suggesting civilians only.
In October, the British medical journal The Lancet published a controversial study contending nearly 655,000 Iraqis have died because of the war — a far higher death toll than other estimates. The study, which was dismissed by President Bush and other U.S. officials as not credible, was based on interviews of households and not a body count.
Al-Shemari disputed that figure on Thursday.
"Since three and a half years, since the change of the Saddam regime, some people say we have 600,000 are killed. This is an exaggerated number. I think 150 is OK," he said.
Other estimates, largely based on body counts or media reports, have held that about 50,000 Iraqi civilians have died in the conflict.
A private group called Iraqi Body Count says it has recorded between 46,863 and 51,698 Iraqi civilians killed by military intervention in Iraq. The group says that includes civilian deaths due to U.S.-led military action as well as insurgents and other violence.
Al-Shemari, a Shiite ally of anti-U.S. radical cleric Muqtada al-Sadr whose militia has been blamed for much of the sectarian violence, focused on insurgent attacks, saying they were exhausting his ministry's finances and that hospitals needed aid.
"We need help, we need donations," he said.
Accurate figures on the number of people who have died in the Iraq conflict have long been the subject of debate. Police and hospitals often give widely conflicting figures of those killed in major bombings.
In addition, death figures are reported through multiple channels by government agencies that function with varying efficiency.
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Bomb attacks on markets in predominantly Shiite neighborhoods of Baghdad killed at least 16 people, among 38 Iraqis killed or found dead across the country on Thursday in the latest outbreak of sectarian violence.
Iraqis on Thursday cheered the resignation of Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, blaming him for policy failures and scandals they say helped spawn the daily sectarian carnage that continue to wrack their nation, more than three years after the U.S. invasion. Rumsfeld acknowledged Thursday progress in the Iraq war has not been going "well enough or fast enough" in his first extended remarks since announcing his resignation under political pressure.
October was a particularly bloody month for Iraqis, with more than 1,200 killed, and November so far looks to be just as bad. At least 66 Iraqis were killed on Wednesday, although that is likely much lower than the true figure since many deaths go unreported. Since this summer, the United Nations has bumped its daily death toll estimate to 100 per day.
© 2009 CBS Interactive Inc. All Rights Reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed. The Associated Press contributed to this report. For every person killed about three have been wounded in violence since the war started in March 2003, Iraq's Health Minister Ali al-Shemari told reporters in Vienna.
The 150,000 — three times more than other estimates — was the first overall casualty figure for the war to be released by the Iraqi government, which took office on May 20.
Al-Shemari did not explain how he arrived at the figure or say whether that number included Iraqi soldiers and police, as well as civilians. Also unclear was if it included Iraqis killed in sectarian violence or only in insurgent attacks. But he said the count was of "innocent" victims, suggesting civilians only.
In October, the British medical journal The Lancet published a controversial study contending nearly 655,000 Iraqis have died because of the war — a far higher death toll than other estimates. The study, which was dismissed by President Bush and other U.S. officials as not credible, was based on interviews of households and not a body count.
Al-Shemari disputed that figure on Thursday.
"Since three and a half years, since the change of the Saddam regime, some people say we have 600,000 are killed. This is an exaggerated number. I think 150 is OK," he said.
Other estimates, largely based on body counts or media reports, have held that about 50,000 Iraqi civilians have died in the conflict.
A private group called Iraqi Body Count says it has recorded between 46,863 and 51,698 Iraqi civilians killed by military intervention in Iraq. The group says that includes civilian deaths due to U.S.-led military action as well as insurgents and other violence.
Al-Shemari, a Shiite ally of anti-U.S. radical cleric Muqtada al-Sadr whose militia has been blamed for much of the sectarian violence, focused on insurgent attacks, saying they were exhausting his ministry's finances and that hospitals needed aid.
"We need help, we need donations," he said.
Accurate figures on the number of people who have died in the Iraq conflict have long been the subject of debate. Police and hospitals often give widely conflicting figures of those killed in major bombings.
In addition, death figures are reported through multiple channels by government agencies that function with varying efficiency.
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The number of innocent Iraqis killed so far has been most reliably estimated at around 655,000. More than 200,000 of those are attributed directly to U.S. military killings.
Of course, every single excess violent death in Iraq since the illegal 2003 invasion is the responsibility of the Bush regime and their collaborators. Credible estimates by a scientific study place the Bush Butchers' bill as high as nearly one million people.
The Bush regime have possibly killed more Iraqis in just a few short years, than Saddam was able to accomplish over decades. I look forward to the day when the Bush Butchers and their collaborators are brought to justice.
Many convicted Nazis were hung as punishment for doing very similar acts to what the Bush fascists have done.
Our government has an selective political agenda, they choose those countries, in which the American capitalists have to most go gain.
They don't legitimately seek out to democratized countries under authoritarian rule for the sake of creating democracy, but for self-aggrandizement.
Correction:
What we need to know is How many Iraq citizens have been killed BY suicide bombers?
What we need is a reliable estimate of how many Iraq citizens have been killed suicide bombers.
John Donne said it all:
SEND NOT TO KNOW
FOR WHOM THE BELL TOLLS:
IT TOLLD FOR THEE.
Selah
How much terrorism, murder, rape and kidnapping would his Baath Party and militias have perpetrated by now? In Iraq and around the world? Oh....but that's all just hypothetical.
Like the number 150,000. Pull all the soldiers out of the cities and put them safely away in their bases for two weeks and watch the Iraqis eat themselves. Their real mentality and violent culture would be immediately exposed for what it is.
These violent muslims, who were held for decades under the iron fist of Saddam, have only reverted to their true nature once the iron fist was lifted. Saddam is gone, and it's not up to coalition forces to teach violent muslims how to act like human beings. Withdraw for a while and watch them beg for the coalition forces to return.
Selah
Please do not compare Iraq to Viet Nam, Viet Nam was a political struggle between the US and China as displayed of military tatics. It was a "war" to generate the economy, it worked at a very high price.
There is no super-power backing the insurgents, no governments even acknowledge support. This is only mirroring Viet Nam because we are fighting by the same political rules we did back then. Also noteworthy, as more foreign fighters enter Iraq for this epic battle, fewer are alive to bring the fight to the US. Consider that part of the failed military stratagy.
I am saddened by the 150,000 deaths over 3 years. A very high number for a country enduring both a national & civil war. On the bright side, it's about half the number that died each year under the previous government. Please always keep in mind, the "invasion of Iraq" was about protecting the US and her allies from a dictator who used WMD on his own people to maitain control. He used death squads to inflict terror, problably the same ones now roaming the streets today.