Supreme Court Hears Abortion Arguments

Justices Weigh Whether To Uphold Federal Ban On Late-Term Abortions

(AP)  Court justices Wednesday sharply questioned attorneys on both sides of the legal battle over late-term abortions as the high court weighed whether to uphold Congress' ban on the procedure.

In an intense morning of arguments, lawyers for the Bush administration and supporters of abortion rights gave starkly contrasting views: A law passed by Congress labels it a gruesome and inhumane practice. Supporters argue that such abortions in the second trimester of pregnancy sometimes are the safest for women.

An anti-abortion protester began shouting midway through the proceedings, disrupting the hearing briefly before police dragged him away. Rives Miller Grogan, whose last known address was in Los Angeles, was charged under a law that makes it a crime to give “a harangue or oration” or to utter loud, threatening or abusive language in the Supreme Court building. If convicted, he could face up to 60 days in jail.

Seven justices took part in questioning both sides about whether the court should defer to congressional findings that these abortions are never medically necessary. Abortion advocates disagree, saying there is strong medical evidence to the contrary.

Justice Samuel Alito, hearing his first abortion cases since joining the court earlier this year, sat silently through two hours of arguments. Justice Clarence Thomas was sick and did not attend, Chief Justice John Roberts announced.

"We have no evidence in the record" as to how often such a situation arises? Roberts asked.

"No, your honor," replied attorney Priscilla Smith, who argued for striking down the federal law.

Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg questioned the rationale that abortion opponents are using in the case, pointing out that the assertion that late-term abortion is a particularly gruesome procedure also could apply to the most commonly used method of abortion in the second trimester.

"I don't think so, Justice Ginsburg," Solicitor General Paul Clement replied.

Ginsburg asked whether the procedures in the two types of abortions are "basically the same," making it hard to distinguish whether a doctor could be prosecuted for performing the banned method.

"I just don't think the record supports" that notion, Clement responded.

At issue is the fate of the Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act, which Congress passed and President Bush signed into law in 2003.

Six federal courts on both coasts and in the Midwest have struck down the law as an impermissible restriction on a woman's constitutional right to an abortion that the Supreme Court established in its landmark Roe v. Wade ruling in 1973.

A day earlier, abortion was on several state ballots. In South Dakota, voters repealed a state law that virtually outlaws abortions, an issue that itself could end up before the court.

California and Oregon voters rejected measures that would have required that teenagers get their parents' consent before having an abortion.

A long line of people hoping for a seat inside stretched across the court's plaza hours before the session was to begin. Dozens of people camped through a rainy night in Washington to ensure their place near the head of the line.

Partial-birth abortion (as opponents call it) is not a medical term, but abortion opponents say it accurately describes "a rarely used and gruesome late-term abortion procedure that resembles infanticide," as Clement said in court papers. Clement will argue the case for the administration.

Abortion-rights proponents dispute almost every aspect of the government's case, including the name for the procedure. They say the law has a much broader reach than the government claims and would threaten almost all abortions that take place after the third month of pregnancy.

Doctors most often refer to the procedure as a dilation and extraction or an intact dilation and evacuation abortion. It involves partially extracting a fetus from the uterus, then cutting or crushing its skull.

The procedure appears to take place most often in the middle third of pregnancy. There are a few thousand such abortions, according to rough estimates, out of more than 1.25 million abortions in the United States annually. Ninety percent of all abortions occur in the first 12 weeks of pregnancy, and are not at issue.

By a 5-4 vote, the court invalidated a similar law in Nebraska in 2000 because it encompassed other abortion methods and did not contain an exception that would allow the procedure to preserve a woman's health, an underpinning of Supreme Court abortion rulings.

Two things have changed in the past six years, the composition of the court and Congress' involvement in the issue by tailoring a law to overcome the objections raised by justices in the Nebraska case.

Abortion opponents are optimistic the court will uphold the law because Justice Sandra Day O'Connor, part of the majority in the 2000 case, has retired and her place was taken by Alito.

Bush appointed both Roberts and Alito, and most legal analysts believe that neither man will be especially supportive of abortion rights.

Justice Anthony Kennedy, the court's swing voter following O'Connor's departure, dissented so strongly in the Nebraska case that many court observers believe he is unlikely to switch sides.

The cases are Gonzales v. Carhart, 05-380, and Gonzales v. Planned Parenthood, 05-1382.

[sciselia]

All i can say is that...i have no children as of yet, but me and my boyfriend have decided that if we have an accident...we will keep the child...and love it like we would anyway...i dont believe in abortion...i cant see killing something so preciouse asa child

[agnim]

nikosk

The best way for women to 'say not to pro-lifers' is to say no to strange kocks more often.

Or better yet, those women can live away from the society, in which we will have to take into consideration the views of fellow citizens!

Alert and alive citizens who are concerned about the health of their societies ARE ALWAYS going to involve themselves in issues important to the health and survival of the society.
The pregnancy of a woman in a society IS NOT just about the SELFISH and SELF-CENTERED woman!

[agnim]

No healthy society and government are ever ever going to endorse the willy-nilly killing of their prospective citizens by misguided and really murderous butchers misnamed 'doctors', on behalf of loose and lost female citizens.

On the other hand, a prospective citizen cannot be the source of a clear and present danger to the life of its mother if we can help it.
Also, no woman should be made to bear offspring imposed on her by some strange rapist.

In these two latter instances, the govement has a constructive role to play on behalf of the oppressed mother to be.
In other case, not!

[germanmom]

I cannot bear the image of this procedure. My soul cries out in anquish over this.

[ddkem]

With the exception of rape and incest, abortion should never be allowed. If a woman does not want to be pregnant, then she should not get pregnant! If a woman is responsible enough to engage in *** then she should be responsible enough to protect herself from the possibility of pregnancy. It's just that simple. Abortion as birth control? Absolutely not...

[devaepiphany]

I don't believe that this is a matter of morale due to the fact that supporters of either side of this subject have any morale. This is babaric, honestly I don't believe that we should outlaw abortion all together. There are many circumstances in which I do believe that abortion is a necessity and furthermore banning it won't stop it. This is not an argument that religion should be the decision maker, this argument should be based on knowledge and rationale. want to suffer mentaly don't do it. Educate your children on the consequences. Banning is not the solution to something, educating and knowledge is what should be enforced.
Call me insane, but I am not the one namecalling.

[devaepiphany]

I don't believe that this is a matter of morale due to the fact that supporters of either side of this subject have any morale. This is babaric, honestly I don't believe that we should outlaw abortion all together. There are many circumstances in which I do believe that abortion is a necessity and furthermore banning it won't stop it. This is not an argument that religion should be the decision maker, this argument should be based on knowledge and rationale. want to suffer mentaly don't do it. Educate your children on the consequences. Banning is not the solution to something, educating and knowledge is what should be enforced.
Call me insane, but I am not the one namecalling.

[gdmoore2]

This decision has to be among the most difficult for the judges. The procedure has to be among the most difficult for physicians. As bellaL stated, does not there not exist some alternative in the event the mother's life is at risk? Hers is a compassionate plea from the heart, and I share it. If there were an alternative, my guess is that physicians would have already found it by now. Tough, tough decision.

Those of you who are pro-choice either like the easy way out or don't understand the rights of the unborn. How many of you lost a nephew or niece through abortion? Abortion is equally as barbaric as partial birth abortion. You ask if there is a better way. You should know. The best way is no abortion at all, good morale values, repect for womenhood and manhood. Reason for yourself becuase written your hearts is the Ten Commandments and you know deep down that it is wrong but you blocked out thus endangering your own mental stability. Sin has a price and you will pay the price. Justice does not previal in behalf the unborn and you allow your to be pro choice. You are insane.

[bellal-2009]

I'm sorry I've been pro-choice all my life but this procedure is barbaric and has no place in a civilized society. Can they come up with no better alternative in the case of the mother's life being at risk.