Oct. 15, 2006

Duke Rape Suspects Speak Out

60 Minutes' Ed Bradley Talks To The Accused Lacrosse Players, Who Have Never Before Been Interviewed

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    Duke University President Richard Brodhead speaks to Ed Bradley about how the school handled the alleged rape case involving three Duke lacrosse players.

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    "60 Minutes" correspondent Ed Bradley talks to the Duke lacrosse players accused of raping an exotic dancer. They profess their innocence and discuss how the case has put their future plans on hold.

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      David Evans, left, Reade Seligmann, center, and Collin Finnerty  (CBS)

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      The accuser says the alleged rape happened inside this house in Durham, N.C.  (CBS/AP)

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A nurse who examined the accuser that night reported she was crying, complained of tenderness on her body and in her vagina, and said she also appeared emotionally traumatized. That, the D.A. has suggested, could account for the inconsistent stories she has told about that night. The nurse’s report found “diffuse edema” – or swelling – “of the vaginal walls” – which can be consistent with consensual sex, which she had recently had with her boyfriend. The only “signs of physical trauma” seen on the accuser were three small cuts on her right knee and heel, which as seen in a photograph taken at the party, she appeared to already have before she says she was raped.

Plastic fingernails the accuser was wearing that night were found in the trashcan of the bathroom where she says the rape occurred. DNA that could belong to David Evans – but is not an exact match – was found on those nails. Not a surprise, says Evans, because the trashcan was in his bathroom and was filled with tissues and other items containing his DNA.

In the days and weeks after the attack the accuser went back to the hospital complaining of neck, back and knee pain she claimed was caused by the rape. 60 Minutes obtained a video of her dancing at a strip club two weeks after the alleged attack. The club manager told 60 Minutes that she had consistently performed her routine normally.

The rape allegations still hang heavily over Duke University where, for the past seven months, its new President Richard Brodhead has been trying to heal divisions on campus and in the community. Every move he has made has been scrutinized, including his decision early on to cancel the lacrosse season and fire the coach. He’s also been criticized for not doing enough in the face of protests from students and faculty who presumed the lacrosse team to be guilty.

"From our point of view, this was an evening of highly unacceptable behavior whether or not the rape took place," says Brodhead.

"Were you at all concerned that your students and some members of your faculty were engaged in a rush to judgment? And that their actions might actually throw fuel on the fire?" Bradley asks.

"We had public officials speaking as if it was almost a certainty that this thing had happened," Brodhead replies. "These charges engaged people’s deepest fears, deepest anxieties, and dreads."

Brodhead formed a commission to investigate the behavior of the lacrosse team over the past five years, and he appointed Professor James Coleman to head it.

Coleman found that while many of the players drank alcohol excessively, they had no history of violent or racist behavior. Professor Coleman believes that the three indicted players are victims in this case – victims of an overzealous prosecutor who pandered to the black community in the middle of an election campaign.

"I think that he pandered to the community by saying 'I'm gonna go out there and defend your interests in seeing that these hooligans who committed the crime are prosecuted. I'm not gonna let their fathers, with all of their money, buy you know big-time lawyers and get them off. I'm doing this for you.' You know, what are you to conclude about a prosecutor who says to you, 'I'll do whatever it takes to get this set of defendants?' What does it say about what he's willing to do to get poor black defendants," Coleman asks.

Asked if he thinks the D.A. committed prosecutorial misconduct, Coleman says, "Yes, I mean I think that’s the whole point. And if this case resulted in a conviction, I think there would be a basis to have the conviction overturned based on his conduct. I think in this case, it appears that this prosecutor has set out to develop whatever evidence he could to convict people he already concluded were guilty."

Reade Seligmann, Collin Finnerty, and David Evans are expected to go on trial next spring. In declaring his innocence, Evans also told us he is haunted by his decision to host a party with alcohol and strippers.

"I was naïve, I was young, I was sheltered. And I made a terrible judgment," Evans says. "In five months I’ve learned more than I did in 22 years about life."

"It’s changed my life forever, no matter what happens from here on out. It’s probably gonna be something that defines me my whole life," Finnerty tells Bradley.

"You ever look back on that night and think 'Maybe I should have done something differently?'" Bradley asks Seligmann.

"No," he replies. "Not go to the party? I did nothing wrong. I did nothing wrong."


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by dlock39 October 12, 2006 1:49 PM PDT
Am I surprised? NO - never believed this story anyway. Really bad attempt to get money. Too bad it's taking so long for the truth to come out and when it does, they better prosecute the liar.
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by ONTIE1 October 12, 2006 2:11 PM PDT
"METHINKS THERE IS THE SMELL OF ROTTING FISH I DENMARK"............

SOMEONE CHECK AND SEE IF THIS PROSECUTOR HAS BOUGHT TICKETS FOR A SOUTH AMERICAN COUNTRY WITH NO EXTRADITION.
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by pdahall October 12, 2006 2:43 PM PDT
Should be a great show...these guys are innocent.
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by linfinster October 12, 2006 5:20 PM PDT
This is SICK! What if that Nikki was threatened to keep her mouth shut? Maybe there was no crime. I don't know, most of you reading this don't really know, but the news people take us from one extreme to the other. I really don't know who to beleive, but if this was a false accusation, I hope she rots in hell! Rape victims have a hard enough time being beleived as it is.
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by linfinster October 12, 2006 5:21 PM PDT
This is SICK! What if that Nikki was threatened to keep her mouth shut? Maybe there was no crime. I don't know, most of you reading this don't really know, but the news people take us from one extreme to the other. I really don't know who to beleive, but if this was a false accusation, I hope she rots in hell! Rape victims have a hard enough time being beleived as it is.
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by hedges06 October 12, 2006 7:50 PM PDT
This case has never been about justice, but politics. It's hard enough for women who really have been raped to come forward; after this case and its publicity it will be that much harder. Bitterly ironic that anti-white-male-privelege zealots have in the end made it that much easier for white male rapists to go unpunished. Well done, blinded activists, well done.
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by paladia2 October 12, 2006 7:58 PM PDT
when i first heard this story, i didnt believe it then and i believe it even less now. these boys are having their lives put on hold, for what? a lie? living in nc, i cant believe this is happening in my state. why would these boys have to take something this accuser obviously had no problem with giving away for free? i agree it is all about politics and money. i hope when the truth comes out, this accuser is reviled and persecuted in the same manner as these boys have been vilified.
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by jtruiz October 12, 2006 8:06 PM PDT
Yeah, I'm surprised too! I can't believe that they actually would think that any rich white person attending a prestigious school would ever do anything wrong. If only the world could understand how much respect rich white guys have for poor black women. All they do is go out of their way to make their life easier. By shouting racial slurs on the night of the rape they were just trying to make her tougher for the cruel world that they're just trying to protect her from. After all, these guys are rich! Of course, they know what's best for this girl. And really what's best for women. That's why they hold all of those parties to boost women's self-esteem by making them get naked and dance while the binge drink! The other "dancer"-- even though she didn't see the rape not happen, she has ESP-- that's how she knows the rape victim is lying! It's just that ESP that all black women have. I mean, everyone knows that lying about rape is fun and always profitable, right?
Yeah. Right.
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by gwallace88 October 12, 2006 9:27 PM PDT
Jtrulz mocks those who assume the players innocent because they%u2019re privileged, but then declares them guilty for the very same reason. This case is about facts, not status. Annoying little things, facts. Just because the lacrosse players are white, rich, hired strippers, and used racial slurs doesn%u2019t mean that they committed rape. Where are the facts, jtrulz? Sure, we have the accuser%u2019s story of what happened and, if true, a horrible crime has been committed. But that story unravels a little more with every disclosure, document, and interview. All you can point to is the lacrosse player%u2019s race, wealth, and partying, and you want to send them to jail for thirty years for that? Yeah, right.
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by acccbb October 12, 2006 9:46 PM PDT
It is nice to see the MSM doing a segment on this case. Having followed this case every single day since March, it is hard to understand why anyone was ever arrested, except for political reasons. There is simply no evidence that there was a rape. The only criminals seem to be the accuser, the DA, and the Durham police dept. for knowingly bringing false charges against these young men. I might add the Duke adminstration and the 88 professors also helped in railroading their own students. I hope the charges are dropped soon and these guys can get on with their lives.
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by macd21-2009 October 12, 2006 10:12 PM PDT
I saw the promo on the CBS Evening News this evening. I look forward to the show this Sunday. But, please send Katie back to the morning shows. Three innocent men are on trial and being railroaded by corrupt government officials. That's the news. But she wants to talk about rumors about "untoward things"? She wants to alert viewers of a distasteful joke about picking cotton? These men have suffered enough from rumors and lies Katie, please stick to the news. Nice save Ed, keeping her on track.
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by rosalene50 October 12, 2006 10:16 PM PDT
You know, I just thought of a no-brainer... IF these young ladies had NOT GONE to the party that fateful night NONE Of them would have problems today. I'm so weary of the racial slurs on the poor rich boys. The love of money was the reason for the crime and there are honest and honorable ways to earn it so don't tell me these poor black girls HAD to do this. If they'd just stayed home instead of trying to make a quick dollar they wouldn't have the alleged problem of supposedly being raped, not believed or any other consequence of indecent living.
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by October 13, 2006 2:03 AM PDT
If you are rich, you are probably disreputable.

If you are poor, and a stripper, you must be immoral.

At what income bracket are you a decent , honest person?
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by newspapers2 October 13, 2006 2:24 AM PDT
I don't believe there was any crime. The crime was in the persecution of the young men. A politican used it to his advantage and the media loved the story - until certain fact came out - the media ran from this story at that time and haven't touched it for months.

How about Justice?

Katie Couric should be ashamed.

Ed Bradely seems to be going wherever the evidence takes him.

Thank you
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by phenyx2 October 13, 2006 9:52 AM PDT
The real crime here is Cutie Katie...being promoted as a real newsanchor!
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by phenyx2 October 13, 2006 9:53 AM PDT
the real crime here is cutie Katie being promoted as a real Newsanchor...check the ratings!
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by sindy12321 October 13, 2006 10:21 AM PDT
Gee, I wish I knew as much as some of you but I was not there when this crime supposedly took place, none of you were there either so how can any of you say that the boy's are not guilty or they are guilty?
I am not saying who I feel is guilty but just remember that money talks and I do wonder if Ms. Roberts may of been financially compensated for her statements. I know a man who lives in the same area and he has been doing some research on this matter. He knew OF the two ladies and wanted to see if Ms. Roberts was still "working" and guess what? She is no longer "for hire" for anything other then public appearances. Makes me wonder how she is making a living now!!

Just think about the comments about this all happening because the boy's are "little rich white boy's" and the accuser wants money because they could do no wrong. There are a lot of young people, regardless of skin color, out there that have access to too much money and feel they deserve what ever they want and nothing will ever happen to them because they are rich.

But, I seem to remember a female candidate for Vice President who's son was a "little rich boy" and he sure did something wrong in the park one night. Oh yeah, he denied doing anything too!!
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by sindy12321 October 13, 2006 10:22 AM PDT
Gee, I wish I knew as much as some of you but I was not there when this crime supposedly took place, none of you were there either so how can any of you say that the boy's are not guilty or they are guilty?
I am not saying who I feel is guilty but just remember that money talks and I do wonder if Ms. Roberts may of been financially compensated for her statements. I know a man who lives in the same area and he has been doing some research on this matter. He knew OF the two ladies and wanted to see if Ms. Roberts was still "working" and guess what? She is no longer "for hire" for anything other then public appearances. Makes me wonder how she is making a living now!!

Just think about the comments about this all happening because the boy's are "little rich white boy's" and the accuser wants money because they could do no wrong. There are a lot of young people, regardless of skin color, out there that have access to too much money and feel they deserve what ever they want and nothing will ever happen to them because they are rich.

But, I seem to remember a female candidate for Vice President who's son was a "little rich boy" and he sure did something wrong in the park one night. Oh yeah, he denied doing anything too!!
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by sindy12321 October 13, 2006 10:24 AM PDT
Gee, I wish I knew as much as some of you but I was not there when this crime supposedly took place, none of you were there either so how can any of you say that the boy's are not guilty or they are guilty?
I am not saying who I feel is guilty but just remember that money talks and I do wonder if Ms. Roberts may of been financially compensated for her statements. I know a man who lives in the same area and he has been doing some research on this matter. He knew OF the two ladies and wanted to see if Ms. Roberts was still "working" and guess what? She is no longer "for hire" for anything other then public appearances. Makes me wonder how she is making a living now!!

Just think about the comments about this all happening because the boy's are "little rich white boy's" and the accuser wants money because they could do no wrong. There are a lot of young people, regardless of skin color, out there that have access to too much money and feel they deserve what ever they want and nothing will ever happen to them because they are rich.

But, I seem to remember a female candidate for Vice President who's son was a "little rich boy" and he sure did something wrong in the park one night. Oh yeah, he denied doing anything too!!
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by sindy12321 October 13, 2006 10:26 AM PDT
WOW, So sorry my comment posted so many times. Nothing seemed to happen so I tried to post several times then all of a sudden my post was up several times. Sorry!!!
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by acccbb October 13, 2006 11:15 AM PDT
To the multiple posting poster. North Carolina has open discovery laws, therefore, we have seen bulk of the evidence. There are many lawyers who have studied this case extensively and have concluded there was no rape. There are several journalists who have been given access to the entire discovery file and also concluded there wasn't a rape. For those who keep whining, the DA "must have something" because "something unsavory" happened in that house, that is just wishful thinking. As far as the "rich" comments, rich has nothing to do with it. If these kids weren't "rich, white Duke students", no arrests would have been made in the first place, because it wouldn't have aided Nifong politically. Thankfully, being "rich" has allowed them to be able to afford competent representation to fight this hoax.
You appear to have a strong bias against "rich" people. Do you personally know these three young men? Because it sounds like you are playing a dangerous, unfair game of stereotyping based on your own preconceived notions, not on the actual merits of this case.
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by laurieleemoo October 13, 2006 12:45 PM PDT
if these accusers are lying---they should be given the jail time the accused would get if found guilty.
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by politikz October 13, 2006 1:56 PM PDT
Unfortuanately in America, everything comes down to black and white. If these young men are innocent, they deserve apologies. If they are not, they deserve the book. Same goes for the young lady involved in this. The biggest culprit in this mess is the media. They are in it for ratings and dollars!! They are the ones who put it out in black and white, for the country to debate and that is how we grow farther apart. I do wonder, though, if these young men happened to be African American and the young woman, white, how the story would have looked? Deep down in our hearts, I think we all know the answer to that question!
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by acccbb October 13, 2006 2:49 PM PDT
To answer the question, how would this have played out if the races had been reversed. There is a rape case right now in Richmond, Va. involving a white University of Richmond student and four Virginia Union (black) football players. It too involves a party and alcohol. After the group left the party, neighbors heard screams coming from the woods and called the police. There is much more physical evidence that there was actually a rape in this case, yet there is only minimal local coverage - no national news, no protests, no DA proclaiming their guilt, no university condemning their own students, etc. Hope this answers your question. There is definitely a double standard, just not the one you suggested.
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by elincoln October 13, 2006 3:06 PM PDT
Either this happened, with the accused, or it didn't.

If you assume any one of the identifications is in error, you have to assume all of them may be, absent specific evidence that the person was involved, *other* than the identification.

One of the accused has evidence that he left *before* the alleged incident. The taxi driver confirms that he picked him up, took him to a fast-food place, and then took him home. He has a receipt from the fast-food place, and his ID was used to enter the dorm building.

So either the taxi driver *and* the other dancer are *both* lying, *and* this was sufficiently pre-meditated to cause one (but only one) of the players to arrange in advance for an alibi, or this one player was not involved.

Once you reach that conclusion, you can't convict either of the others for the crime of not leaving early, unless you're going to convict *all* of the Duke players who stayed at the party.

Add in the other questions (the other dancer says it never happened, this isn't the first time the accuser has claimed that she was raped by multiple men, and her father says that the earlier dropped accusation was false, she claimed no condoms were used, but the only DNA present was not from a Duke lacrosse player, etc...), and I really have to wonder why the prosecution is still going forward.
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by elincoln October 13, 2006 3:09 PM PDT
I also wonder whether the police interviewed their only non-accused witness (the other dancer), and if so whether they asked her about any of the details of the story which she could confirm or deny. It seems an obvious thing to do, so the implication in the article that she'd not heard about the parts of the story in which she appears sets off more alarm bells for me, along with a "lineup" consisting solely of people who were suspects (white Duke lacrosse players), with no other faces included to test her recollection. Any three people she chose could have been charged, so the lineup assumes guilt. A serious lineup would have included other faces which matched the description -- white, 20ish, male...
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by heresmy2cent October 13, 2006 4:27 PM PDT
I went to college, too. But my extracurricular activities didn't include hiring strippers for private parties so my "friends" and I could gang bang them.

I also didn't have a publicist when I was a senior in college.

I guess things are just different for these "innocent" lads.

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by charlieboy13 October 13, 2006 4:29 PM PDT
By sindy1232's standard, everyone would be guilty when charged because only those who actually saw a crime can express an opinion about it. By her standards, the judge and jury are automatically disqualified and evidence and arguments are irrelevant.

The implication that anyone who dissents from popular opinion is on the take is particularly nauseating. If this is the standard for justice, are we not a nation in trouble regardless of the color of one's skin?

By the way Ms. Sindy, when was the last time you beat your child?
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by scout45-2009 October 13, 2006 5:01 PM PDT
scottydog45,
I believe the police officer involved in writing up notes months after the alledged incident
was Sgt. Mark Gottlieb not Sgt. Shelton
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by scout45-2009 October 13, 2006 5:21 PM PDT
heresmy2cent,
The Lacrosse team does not get a spring break because it is Lacrosse season. I read on a blog that the tradition was for the team to go to one of the dance places in Durham or Raleigh.
The age for admission was 18. It was changed
to 21. So they hired the dancers.
This seems pretty harmless to me.
As I said I read this on a blog so I can't
confirm the accuracy, it seems like a plausable explanation.
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by tortmaster October 14, 2006 1:20 AM PDT
1. No DNA from Reade Seligmann anywhere, although the accuser claimed a violent 30 minute rape with no condoms and ejaculation.

2. In March photo array, the accuser identified Reade at the party (but not attacking her) with 70% certainty.

3. An Alibi so good that it alone refutes all question of probable cause.

4. Accuser having made a false claim of gang rape by three men in the past. She has also made a false claim of attempted murder in the past.

5. Accuser only crying rape when she was about to go to the drunk tank, providing a motivation for her to create the hoax, and talks with civil attorneys establishes a motive to continue the fabrication.

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by tortmaster October 14, 2006 1:20 AM PDT
6. Accuser with history of psychological problems, which are severe enough to include institutionalization and suicidal ideation. Issue of drinking and drug use (Flexeril) on night in question. She was said to be "passed out drunk" by the police.

7. Accuser's claim is completely rejected, point-by-point, by the other dancer at the party. The other dancer said the accuser was "fine."

8. In police reports, the accuser claimed 0 rapists, then 15-20 rapists, then 5 rapists, then 3 rapists. Then she identified 4 rapists. Oh, and she also said the other dancer assisted in the rape in one of her police statements.

9. The Rape nurse examination found no bleeding cuts, abrasions or tears in the genitals, although the accuser claimed a 30-minute violent rape and beating by three well-conditioned, in-season athletes. The examination only revealed mild swelling, which could be explained by her boyfriends *** (which was found) or the *** toy show she admits doing before going to the Duke party.

Pick any one above, and that equals a not guilty verdict. Pick any two, and there is no probable cause to suggest a crime even occurred. Add them all together and the probability of rape is less than zero.

It's not black and white. Don't follow the color, follow the evidence. There is great hope that CBS and Ed Bradley will. If so, mucho props to them.
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by gramto7 October 14, 2006 9:04 AM PDT
While there are numerous cases where poor little rich boys rape and even murder and get away with it for years, (Isn't the Bounty Hunter in trouble with Mexico for catching one of them?) I have never believed the story of this "rape". Having been on the receiving end, no pun intended, of that type of assault, I am very sensitive to the accusation when I hear it. I just could not believe what this female was saying. There were just too many changes in her story from one time to the next. People like this make it infinitely more difficult for true rape victims to get help.
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by gladetryst October 14, 2006 12:14 PM PDT
The short story is, this girl lied about a -serious- crime, that has destroyed lives. It doesn't matter if you don't like rich white people, it is a justice system, I think the lacrosse players should countersue her, and perhaps the NAACP for defamation.
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by jtruiz October 15, 2006 10:06 AM PDT
It seems that none of the people that are defending the accused have a clue what rape trauma is. Rape trauma is a severe psychological and physiological response in which the victim goes into a form of shock. In the acute stages of this trauma, victims are disassociated from the rape and therefore, details of the rape are obscured and even blocked out entirely. All of that explains why reports of the crime in the beginning vary and why it took a while for her to identify the alleged attackers. Defendants%u2019 attorneys on rape cases use all kinds of underhanded tactics to assure a not guilty verdict, especially when they are well paid.
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by gramto7 October 15, 2006 10:48 AM PDT
jtruiz writes - Rape trauma is a severe psychological and physiological response in which the victim goes into a form of shock. In the acute stages of this trauma, victims are disassociated from the rape and therefore, details of the rape are obscured and even blocked out entirely.
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I guess I am not the typical rape victim. I remember in great detail to this day the event that happened to me, though it was 32 years ago.
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by scooter52664 October 15, 2006 5:36 PM PDT
"All of that explains why reports of the crime in the beginning vary and why it took a while for her to identify the alleged attackers"


OR

she's a just liar. Perhaps attempting to shakedown Duke and the players.
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by timote3 October 15, 2006 6:15 PM PDT
Its bad enough that this low life has made this accusation, but its even worse that the DA....another low life, is using this to play politics to be re-elected and not lose the votes of his black constituents......

Bottomline, that DA is more guilty, and a bigger peice of ***!!!! What he should remember is, what comes around goes around....I think we've all seen a large number of garbage politicians lose everything for these things...
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by jtruiz October 15, 2006 6:56 PM PDT
I didn't mean to suggest that all rape victims respond the same way. Others disassociate from their emotions during the event but stay very concious of details.
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by jtruiz October 15, 2006 7:14 PM PDT
In addition, those or you who think she is lying about all of this must think she is the worst liar in the world. Why would she change her story so drastically to such ridiculous extremes? To me, her inability to give a consistent and plausible explanation the first time makes me more likely to believe she was raped.

Also, to those who are vilifying this woman without knowledge of all the evidence, what if she is telling the truth? How can you be so inhumane towards someone who in some way has definitely been severely hurt in their life?

My fiancie was raped more than once and was only able to successfully prosecute one of the rapists. She was %u201Cfortunate%u201D that he beat her face to a bloody pulp because at least that way people could believe she was the victim of a crime. Yet still, the defense attorney tried to discredit her using some of the same tactics seen in this case. The ignorance perpetuated in this blog and society at large only seeks to discourage people from reporting rape. Don%u2019t think that some rapists aren%u2019t smart enough to avoid certain actions that will increase the physical evidence against them. My fiancie%u2019s first, second, and third reports to police were drastically different from what actual happened during the rape. It was a terrifying process to sort through what happened. Not all rape victims respond that way, but many do.
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by daybeacher October 15, 2006 8:04 PM PDT
Just like MSNBC, CBS News missed one critical issue in the Duke alleged rape case. If anyone would have taken the time to just listen to all the 911 telephone calls of that night, they would have found the real issue on the first call. The second dancer called 911 to say the she and her friend were "walking pass" a house on the Duke campus and they were called the "N" word. It is a logical conclusion that the women made-up the rape story to try to get even for being called the "N" word. Will that phone call EVER be replayed?
Thanks
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by acccbb October 15, 2006 8:42 PM PDT
Thank you Mr. Bradley and 60 minutes for doing the Duke lax segment. It was great to hear from the players themselves. James Coleman has been the only Duke professor to openly discuss the fact that these young men are the victims. As usual, Brodhead hides behind the line "but all the public officials were saying there was a rape." Wake up, Brodhead, you are the president of an elite university. Were you never taught to not rush to judgment before hearing all the evidence? These were your students and to hide behind,"well, just the party was bad enough" doesn't cut it. You deserted your own students and placed not only the lax players, but the other students on campus in danger. You, not the coach, should be fired. By the way, this must be the first woman in history that was gang raped, yet immediately able to begin stripping at a club. We kept hearing that she was in hiding because of the trauma when she was in fact still stripping.
The young men and their families are in our prayers. I hope Nifong loses his law license over this.
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by ronniehm October 15, 2006 8:48 PM PDT
"those or you who think she is lying about all of this must think she is the worst liar in the world"

Yes, I think she's liying, and yes, I think she's the worst liar in the world. Unlike you, however, I don't find this to be proof that she's telling the truth. It's proof that she's an idiot (something that is backed up by her career choices).
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by sglover01 October 15, 2006 9:00 PM PDT
Having been molested as a little girl, I had repressed memories which emerged when I was a teen in college. I could recall the exact way the room was arranged, the smell of my molester, his voice, his actions and the look on his face. It is something I had subconsciously blocked for many years but now I live with those daunting memories. I don't know what transpired at Duke that night, but our children will undoubtedly lose their "innocence" at some point in their lives be it by actions or by life altering accusations. My heart goes out to the young ladies who choose to earn a living by dancing at private parties - that itself speaks volumes; and to the young men who felt it appropriate to engage their services for a night of "fun". There are no winners here no matter what. When you put yourself in a bad situation from the beginning, bad things are bound to happen. I hope the wealthy parents of the accused have not engaged in paying the young lady who spoke on the show saying nothing happend to her business partner that night. That would be shameful. This whole mess has set back the women's movement, race relations, and college life by many, many decades. It is a disgrace on all levels.
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by bennyblack1 October 15, 2006 9:03 PM PDT
Dear CBS;
While I do not agree that the Duke University men should have been having a wild party like that, and I do believe that they were throwing around racial remarks and repeating things from a movie (I've been around, I know how young, conceited males act), I do not believe that they committed this crime. At the risk of sounding racially discriminitory and stereo-typical, the woman allegedly raped by these men is a stripper and a prostitute. She probably got raped and hurt before she got there...then used her bias towards women and her status as a minority to try to pin it on them. I've seen it over and over again. The young men should be ostracised, but certainly not charged for the crime. It should be understood that college men do crazy things and then go on with their lives and careers. We need these men as leaders. A public apology should be necessary for the wild party. That's it. Then move on.
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by tortmaster October 15, 2006 9:06 PM PDT
1. No evidence of players' DNA in or on her or on her clothing.

2. Accuser has made 2 prior false accusations (1 involving a 3-man rape).

3. Accuser failed to identify anyone until she was told everyone at the party was in the photo lineup.

4. Accuser said 0 people raped her, then 5, then 3, then she identified 4.

5. Accuser's account blasted by second dancer.

6. Reade Seligmann's airtight alibi.

7. Accuser claiming injuries from violent gang rape, then videotaped "pole" dancing at a strip club shortly thereafter.

Any one of these is sufficient to defeat proof beyond a reasonable doubt. Pick any two, and you have conclusive proof nothing occurred.

Thank you Ed Bradley! There is indeed prosecutorial misconduct involved.
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by scout45-2009 October 15, 2006 9:16 PM PDT
Thank you Ed Bradley and Thank you CBS
for doing your homework and reporting this
story on Primetime TV.

I have been following this case for quite awhile.
Many stories have been written about the Duke
players that have simply not been true.
As a result of apathy, agenda or being ill-informed many of the other media outlets have fallen abysmally short in accurate reporting. 60 Minutes tonight was able capture the true essense of this story.
Bravo!
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by jtnewcomb October 15, 2006 9:25 PM PDT
Dear Mr Bradley,

In the beginning of the segment you mentioned that you and 60 minutes obtained medical records. This is what I'm worried about. Medical records are not public records. Medical records are protected health information (PHI). They fall under federal HIPPA laws. If your comments suggests that you didn't obtain a proper medical release in getting someones medical records, then you have violated the law. Circulating medical records without consent from the patient is a felony. There are no open releases allowed under the law. This means if you got consent and filled out the release from the patient, the release is only good for that one viewing, and cannot be given to another person, without filing another release. No verbal releases are acceptable under the law. The court has no sympathy for people who are ignorant of the laws, and just do what they want when they want. Make sure your corporate counsel reviews what you say before you admit on national television.

Personally I don't feel the suspects are not guilty, but that's not my decision to make.

Have a nice day.

James
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by sglover01 October 15, 2006 9:33 PM PDT
bennyblack1 surely you jest. Don't we have enough sexual exploitation by white men in power? One need only go to Capitol Hill for a full dose of illicit ***, lies and videotapes. It should be understood that "upstanding college boys" should not have time or resources to pay for strippers - were they not given moral values at home? I attended a co-ed college and lived in a co-ed dorm and NEVER did we engage in such activities and guess what? We had fun without the sexual antics! The young ladies should have been on campus to attend college classes instead of to entice men for money. Sad commentary on our times these beautiful young people had it all wrong. These young men and young ladies need Jesus in their lives to pick them up and set them all back on the right track. No one starts out wanting to be a criminal or a deviant - life happens and God is the only solution. I believe in second chances, but only if you seek His forgiveness and guidance. No amount of t.v. air time, radio talk shows, or stints on a witness stand is going to ease their pain or clear their conscious - only God can do that.
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by pudd54 October 15, 2006 10:03 PM PDT
Alcohol, strippers, and *** (cosensual or not)are all planned, yet when there is a problem it is her fault. She is ruining their lives.

If they couldn't handle all of the problems from their plans then plan a better party.
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