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She says she then walked out of the house, went to her car and left "Precious" alone inside the house for about five to 10 minutes – the first of two times Roberts says the dancers had been separated all night. Could a rape have occurred during that time? If so, Roberts says she saw no sign of it when "Precious" joined her in her car.
"At that point, did she give you any reason to believe that she had been assaulted in any way?" Bradley asks.
"No," Roberts replies.
"Did she at any point that night say anything about being in pain or of having been hurt in any way?" Bradley asks.
"She wasn't – she obviously wasn't hurt or, 'cause she was fine. She wouldn't have went back in the house if she was hurt. She's was fine," Roberts says.
"And, according to the statement that you made to the police, she told you she wanted to go back inside the house at that point. What did she say?" Bradley asks.
"There's more money to be made," Roberts tells Bradley.
Roberts and "Precious" did in fact go back inside the house. Kim says they were separated for a second time for about five to 10 minutes.
But here is where their stories take a dramatically different turn: "Precious" says in her written statement to police that Roberts, who as you may recall went by the stage name "Nikki," was actually present when "Precious" says she was attacked by three men who called themselves Brett, Adam and Matt. When Bradley asked Roberts about this in the interview, she seemed surprised and confused that "Precious" would make such an assertion.
"In the police statement she describes the rape in this way. 'Three guys – three guys grabbed Nicky,' that's you. 'Brett, Adam, and Matt grabbed me. They separated us at the master bedroom door while we tried to hold on to each other. Brett, Adam, and Matt took me into the bathroom.' Were you holding on to each other? Were you pulled apart? Is that true?" Bradley asks Roberts.
"Nope," she replies.
"Yeah. Her statement continues. 'I heard Nicky on the other side of the door. And when Adam opened the door she rushed in and helped Adam to get me dressed.' so she's saying that you helped one of the rapists," Bradley says.
"She was never undressed as far as I remember. As far as I remember, she was never undressed," Roberts says.
And, Roberts insists, she never assisted anyone in a rape, nor did she ever offer to engage in sexual acts with "Precious" and one of the alleged rapists, which "Precious" alleges in a statement she made that night.
"And in her written statement 'Brett asked Nikki for a threesome with me' and she says you replied, quote, 'We need to stay and make more money,'” Bradley says.
"I just don’t remember that conversation happening ever," Roberts says.
Asked if it could have happened, Roberts says, "No, I did not say those words."
"She goes on to say that when both of you went back in the house, she says, 'They were excited and angry. They were screaming, 'We’re going to f you black bitches,'" Bradley says.
"I just don’t remember it that way at all," Roberts says.
Those are not the only questionable statements "Precious" has made in this case. She has given different accounts about the number of men who raped her, saying at one point that night it was “five guys,” “three men,” and at one point, she said "no one had forced her to have sex.”
A photograph, taken at 12:31 a.m., shows "Precious" standing outside the back door of the house. The team captains told police she was pounding at the door around that time, but they wouldn’t let her in. Seven minutes later, at 12:38 a.m., she was lying face down on the porch, apparently passed out. At 12:41 am, she was being helped to Roberts' car by some of the players and the night appeared to be coming to an end.
At that point, Roberts says "Precious" was "out of it."
Asked if "Precious" was conscious at that point, Roberts says, "I don't know. I'd say she was semi-conscious because she was helping them along in the walking process to get to the car."
As Roberts prepared to drive away with "Precious," she described one ugly final encounter with a lacrosse player who made a rude comment about Roberts' appearance.
Asked how she responded, Roberts says, "I don't know if I can say that on 60 Minutes.
"I called him a little [expletive] white boy," she recalls laughing. "And how he couldn't get it on his own and had to pay for it. So, he was mad. And it ended with him callin' me the n-word. And it echoed, so you heard n….. once, and then you heard, n….., n….., n….. .
Roberts acknowledges that her taunting provoked that remark but tells Bradley, "But when I think about it again, I say he could’ve said black girl. You know what I mean? He could’ve said black girl. He didn’t have to go that route."
A neighbor also told police he overheard a player yelling in Roberts' direction “Thank your grandfather for my cotton shirt.”
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See all 245 CommentsSOMEONE CHECK AND SEE IF THIS PROSECUTOR HAS BOUGHT TICKETS FOR A SOUTH AMERICAN COUNTRY WITH NO EXTRADITION.
Yeah. Right.
If you are poor, and a stripper, you must be immoral.
At what income bracket are you a decent , honest person?
How about Justice?
Katie Couric should be ashamed.
Ed Bradely seems to be going wherever the evidence takes him.
Thank you
I am not saying who I feel is guilty but just remember that money talks and I do wonder if Ms. Roberts may of been financially compensated for her statements. I know a man who lives in the same area and he has been doing some research on this matter. He knew OF the two ladies and wanted to see if Ms. Roberts was still "working" and guess what? She is no longer "for hire" for anything other then public appearances. Makes me wonder how she is making a living now!!
Just think about the comments about this all happening because the boy's are "little rich white boy's" and the accuser wants money because they could do no wrong. There are a lot of young people, regardless of skin color, out there that have access to too much money and feel they deserve what ever they want and nothing will ever happen to them because they are rich.
But, I seem to remember a female candidate for Vice President who's son was a "little rich boy" and he sure did something wrong in the park one night. Oh yeah, he denied doing anything too!!
I am not saying who I feel is guilty but just remember that money talks and I do wonder if Ms. Roberts may of been financially compensated for her statements. I know a man who lives in the same area and he has been doing some research on this matter. He knew OF the two ladies and wanted to see if Ms. Roberts was still "working" and guess what? She is no longer "for hire" for anything other then public appearances. Makes me wonder how she is making a living now!!
Just think about the comments about this all happening because the boy's are "little rich white boy's" and the accuser wants money because they could do no wrong. There are a lot of young people, regardless of skin color, out there that have access to too much money and feel they deserve what ever they want and nothing will ever happen to them because they are rich.
But, I seem to remember a female candidate for Vice President who's son was a "little rich boy" and he sure did something wrong in the park one night. Oh yeah, he denied doing anything too!!
I am not saying who I feel is guilty but just remember that money talks and I do wonder if Ms. Roberts may of been financially compensated for her statements. I know a man who lives in the same area and he has been doing some research on this matter. He knew OF the two ladies and wanted to see if Ms. Roberts was still "working" and guess what? She is no longer "for hire" for anything other then public appearances. Makes me wonder how she is making a living now!!
Just think about the comments about this all happening because the boy's are "little rich white boy's" and the accuser wants money because they could do no wrong. There are a lot of young people, regardless of skin color, out there that have access to too much money and feel they deserve what ever they want and nothing will ever happen to them because they are rich.
But, I seem to remember a female candidate for Vice President who's son was a "little rich boy" and he sure did something wrong in the park one night. Oh yeah, he denied doing anything too!!
You appear to have a strong bias against "rich" people. Do you personally know these three young men? Because it sounds like you are playing a dangerous, unfair game of stereotyping based on your own preconceived notions, not on the actual merits of this case.
If you assume any one of the identifications is in error, you have to assume all of them may be, absent specific evidence that the person was involved, *other* than the identification.
One of the accused has evidence that he left *before* the alleged incident. The taxi driver confirms that he picked him up, took him to a fast-food place, and then took him home. He has a receipt from the fast-food place, and his ID was used to enter the dorm building.
So either the taxi driver *and* the other dancer are *both* lying, *and* this was sufficiently pre-meditated to cause one (but only one) of the players to arrange in advance for an alibi, or this one player was not involved.
Once you reach that conclusion, you can't convict either of the others for the crime of not leaving early, unless you're going to convict *all* of the Duke players who stayed at the party.
Add in the other questions (the other dancer says it never happened, this isn't the first time the accuser has claimed that she was raped by multiple men, and her father says that the earlier dropped accusation was false, she claimed no condoms were used, but the only DNA present was not from a Duke lacrosse player, etc...), and I really have to wonder why the prosecution is still going forward.
I also didn't have a publicist when I was a senior in college.
I guess things are just different for these "innocent" lads.
The implication that anyone who dissents from popular opinion is on the take is particularly nauseating. If this is the standard for justice, are we not a nation in trouble regardless of the color of one's skin?
By the way Ms. Sindy, when was the last time you beat your child?
I believe the police officer involved in writing up notes months after the alledged incident
was Sgt. Mark Gottlieb not Sgt. Shelton
The Lacrosse team does not get a spring break because it is Lacrosse season. I read on a blog that the tradition was for the team to go to one of the dance places in Durham or Raleigh.
The age for admission was 18. It was changed
to 21. So they hired the dancers.
This seems pretty harmless to me.
As I said I read this on a blog so I can't
confirm the accuracy, it seems like a plausable explanation.
2. In March photo array, the accuser identified Reade at the party (but not attacking her) with 70% certainty.
3. An Alibi so good that it alone refutes all question of probable cause.
4. Accuser having made a false claim of gang rape by three men in the past. She has also made a false claim of attempted murder in the past.
5. Accuser only crying rape when she was about to go to the drunk tank, providing a motivation for her to create the hoax, and talks with civil attorneys establishes a motive to continue the fabrication.
7. Accuser's claim is completely rejected, point-by-point, by the other dancer at the party. The other dancer said the accuser was "fine."
8. In police reports, the accuser claimed 0 rapists, then 15-20 rapists, then 5 rapists, then 3 rapists. Then she identified 4 rapists. Oh, and she also said the other dancer assisted in the rape in one of her police statements.
9. The Rape nurse examination found no bleeding cuts, abrasions or tears in the genitals, although the accuser claimed a 30-minute violent rape and beating by three well-conditioned, in-season athletes. The examination only revealed mild swelling, which could be explained by her boyfriends *** (which was found) or the *** toy show she admits doing before going to the Duke party.
Pick any one above, and that equals a not guilty verdict. Pick any two, and there is no probable cause to suggest a crime even occurred. Add them all together and the probability of rape is less than zero.
It's not black and white. Don't follow the color, follow the evidence. There is great hope that CBS and Ed Bradley will. If so, mucho props to them.
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I guess I am not the typical rape victim. I remember in great detail to this day the event that happened to me, though it was 32 years ago.
OR
she's a just liar. Perhaps attempting to shakedown Duke and the players.
Bottomline, that DA is more guilty, and a bigger peice of ***!!!! What he should remember is, what comes around goes around....I think we've all seen a large number of garbage politicians lose everything for these things...
Also, to those who are vilifying this woman without knowledge of all the evidence, what if she is telling the truth? How can you be so inhumane towards someone who in some way has definitely been severely hurt in their life?
My fiancie was raped more than once and was only able to successfully prosecute one of the rapists. She was %u201Cfortunate%u201D that he beat her face to a bloody pulp because at least that way people could believe she was the victim of a crime. Yet still, the defense attorney tried to discredit her using some of the same tactics seen in this case. The ignorance perpetuated in this blog and society at large only seeks to discourage people from reporting rape. Don%u2019t think that some rapists aren%u2019t smart enough to avoid certain actions that will increase the physical evidence against them. My fiancie%u2019s first, second, and third reports to police were drastically different from what actual happened during the rape. It was a terrifying process to sort through what happened. Not all rape victims respond that way, but many do.
Thanks
The young men and their families are in our prayers. I hope Nifong loses his law license over this.
Yes, I think she's liying, and yes, I think she's the worst liar in the world. Unlike you, however, I don't find this to be proof that she's telling the truth. It's proof that she's an idiot (something that is backed up by her career choices).
While I do not agree that the Duke University men should have been having a wild party like that, and I do believe that they were throwing around racial remarks and repeating things from a movie (I've been around, I know how young, conceited males act), I do not believe that they committed this crime. At the risk of sounding racially discriminitory and stereo-typical, the woman allegedly raped by these men is a stripper and a prostitute. She probably got raped and hurt before she got there...then used her bias towards women and her status as a minority to try to pin it on them. I've seen it over and over again. The young men should be ostracised, but certainly not charged for the crime. It should be understood that college men do crazy things and then go on with their lives and careers. We need these men as leaders. A public apology should be necessary for the wild party. That's it. Then move on.
2. Accuser has made 2 prior false accusations (1 involving a 3-man rape).
3. Accuser failed to identify anyone until she was told everyone at the party was in the photo lineup.
4. Accuser said 0 people raped her, then 5, then 3, then she identified 4.
5. Accuser's account blasted by second dancer.
6. Reade Seligmann's airtight alibi.
7. Accuser claiming injuries from violent gang rape, then videotaped "pole" dancing at a strip club shortly thereafter.
Any one of these is sufficient to defeat proof beyond a reasonable doubt. Pick any two, and you have conclusive proof nothing occurred.
Thank you Ed Bradley! There is indeed prosecutorial misconduct involved.
for doing your homework and reporting this
story on Primetime TV.
I have been following this case for quite awhile.
Many stories have been written about the Duke
players that have simply not been true.
As a result of apathy, agenda or being ill-informed many of the other media outlets have fallen abysmally short in accurate reporting. 60 Minutes tonight was able capture the true essense of this story.
Bravo!
In the beginning of the segment you mentioned that you and 60 minutes obtained medical records. This is what I'm worried about. Medical records are not public records. Medical records are protected health information (PHI). They fall under federal HIPPA laws. If your comments suggests that you didn't obtain a proper medical release in getting someones medical records, then you have violated the law. Circulating medical records without consent from the patient is a felony. There are no open releases allowed under the law. This means if you got consent and filled out the release from the patient, the release is only good for that one viewing, and cannot be given to another person, without filing another release. No verbal releases are acceptable under the law. The court has no sympathy for people who are ignorant of the laws, and just do what they want when they want. Make sure your corporate counsel reviews what you say before you admit on national television.
Personally I don't feel the suspects are not guilty, but that's not my decision to make.
Have a nice day.
James
If they couldn't handle all of the problems from their plans then plan a better party.
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