GOP Makes Deal On Detainees
Republicans hope that an accord reached between the Bush administration and GOP senators on the treatment of terror-war detainees means the party can go on a campaign-season offensive on the issue of protecting the country.
The deal, if passed next week by Congress as planned, would end an embarrassing two-week stretch of headlines on GOP infighting and allow the president to begin prosecuting terrorists linked to the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks.
"I'm pleased to say that this agreement preserves the single most potent tool we have in protecting America and foiling terrorist attacks," the president said after agreement was announced on one of his top remaining priorities of the year.
Mr. Bush said he hopes the legislation passes before Congress adjourns next week, reports CBS News White House correspondent Mark Knoller.
The agreement contains concessions by both sides, though the White House yielded ground on two of the most contentious issues: It agreed to drop a provision that would have narrowly interpreted international standards of prisoner treatment and another allowing defendants to be convicted on evidence they never see.
The accord, however, explicitly states that the president has the authority to enforce Geneva Convention standards and enumerates acts that constitute a war crime, including torture, rape, biological experiments, and cruel and inhuman treatment.
The agreement would grant Congress' permission for Mr. Bush to convene military tribunals to prosecute terrorism suspects, a process the Supreme Court had blocked in June because it had not been authorized by lawmakers.
During those trials, coerced testimony would be admissible if a judge allows and if it was obtained before cruel, inhumane and degrading treatment was forbidden by a 2005 law.
The central sticking point had involved a demand from McCain, Warner and Sen. Lindsey Graham for a provision making it clear that torture of suspects would be barred. The three gathered in the afternoon to work out language for the deal, reports CBS News correspondent Sharyl Attkisson.
"The integrity and letter and spirit of the Geneva Conventions have been preserved," said McCain after the agreement was announced.
Republicans used the deal on detainee treatment to put the heat back on Democrats as lawmakers prepare to leave Washington at the end of the month to campaign for the Nov. 7 midterm elections.
Republicans are fighting to maintain their majority in Congress by touting their toughness on national security issues, while Democrats are pointing to the violence in Iraq and high cost of the war as GOP blunders.
House Majority Leader John Boehner, R-Ohio, said Democrats can either work with Republicans to preserve the CIA interrogation program for high-value terrorism suspects or "continue to oppose every responsible effort to provide President Bush with the tools he needs to keep America safe."
But Democrats have said they support the measure as long as the plan is sound.
"No blank checks, no vague terms," said California Rep. Jane Harman, the top Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee. Harman, as the panel's senior Democrat, is one of four members of Congress who had extensive, classified briefings on the CIA detention and interrogation program.
The agreement was hailed by human rights groups and seen by many as the president caving in when his usual Republican support crumbled. But White House officials said the end result includes enough legal protection for the CIA program to continue.
"The program will go forward" and "the men and women who are asked to carry out that program will have clarity as to the legal standard, will have clear congressional support, and will have legal protections as we ask them to do this difficult work," said Stephen Hadley, the president's national security adviser.
After weeks of stalled talks, Senate leaders Thursday morning demanded resolution of the impasse over the detainee legislation. Warner, McCain and Graham met with administration officials throughout the day, finally emerging with an agreement in which both sides claimed victory.
Other members had not been briefed and at least one House conservative is likely to oppose the provision requiring evidence be divulged to a defendant, out of concern it could expose classified information.
"We want to have the ability to have these tribunals to prosecute the terrorists who right now are waiting at Guantanamo," Rep. Duncan Hunter, R-Calif., chairman of the House Armed Services Committee, said of the prisoners held at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.
The deal doesn't sit well with everyone. The American Civil Liberties Union is calling on Congress to reject the compromise, which it says does not meet international treaty obligations and fails to protect the due process rights of suspects.
The president's other priority in the war on terror involves legislation to explicitly allow wiretapping without a court warrant on international calls and e-mails between suspected terrorists in the United States and abroad.
One official said Republicans had narrowed their differences with the White House over that issue, as well, and hoped for an agreement soon.
About 450 terrorism suspects, most of them captured in Afghanistan and none of them in the U.S., are being held by military authorities at Guantanamo Bay. Ten have been charged with crimes.
© 2009 CBS Interactive Inc. All Rights Reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed. The Associated Press contributed to this report. The deal, if passed next week by Congress as planned, would end an embarrassing two-week stretch of headlines on GOP infighting and allow the president to begin prosecuting terrorists linked to the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks.
"I'm pleased to say that this agreement preserves the single most potent tool we have in protecting America and foiling terrorist attacks," the president said after agreement was announced on one of his top remaining priorities of the year.
Mr. Bush said he hopes the legislation passes before Congress adjourns next week, reports CBS News White House correspondent Mark Knoller.
The agreement contains concessions by both sides, though the White House yielded ground on two of the most contentious issues: It agreed to drop a provision that would have narrowly interpreted international standards of prisoner treatment and another allowing defendants to be convicted on evidence they never see.
The accord, however, explicitly states that the president has the authority to enforce Geneva Convention standards and enumerates acts that constitute a war crime, including torture, rape, biological experiments, and cruel and inhuman treatment.
The agreement would grant Congress' permission for Mr. Bush to convene military tribunals to prosecute terrorism suspects, a process the Supreme Court had blocked in June because it had not been authorized by lawmakers.
During those trials, coerced testimony would be admissible if a judge allows and if it was obtained before cruel, inhumane and degrading treatment was forbidden by a 2005 law.
The central sticking point had involved a demand from McCain, Warner and Sen. Lindsey Graham for a provision making it clear that torture of suspects would be barred. The three gathered in the afternoon to work out language for the deal, reports CBS News correspondent Sharyl Attkisson.
"The integrity and letter and spirit of the Geneva Conventions have been preserved," said McCain after the agreement was announced.
Republicans used the deal on detainee treatment to put the heat back on Democrats as lawmakers prepare to leave Washington at the end of the month to campaign for the Nov. 7 midterm elections.
Republicans are fighting to maintain their majority in Congress by touting their toughness on national security issues, while Democrats are pointing to the violence in Iraq and high cost of the war as GOP blunders.
House Majority Leader John Boehner, R-Ohio, said Democrats can either work with Republicans to preserve the CIA interrogation program for high-value terrorism suspects or "continue to oppose every responsible effort to provide President Bush with the tools he needs to keep America safe."
But Democrats have said they support the measure as long as the plan is sound.
"No blank checks, no vague terms," said California Rep. Jane Harman, the top Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee. Harman, as the panel's senior Democrat, is one of four members of Congress who had extensive, classified briefings on the CIA detention and interrogation program.
The agreement was hailed by human rights groups and seen by many as the president caving in when his usual Republican support crumbled. But White House officials said the end result includes enough legal protection for the CIA program to continue.
"The program will go forward" and "the men and women who are asked to carry out that program will have clarity as to the legal standard, will have clear congressional support, and will have legal protections as we ask them to do this difficult work," said Stephen Hadley, the president's national security adviser.
After weeks of stalled talks, Senate leaders Thursday morning demanded resolution of the impasse over the detainee legislation. Warner, McCain and Graham met with administration officials throughout the day, finally emerging with an agreement in which both sides claimed victory.
Other members had not been briefed and at least one House conservative is likely to oppose the provision requiring evidence be divulged to a defendant, out of concern it could expose classified information.
"We want to have the ability to have these tribunals to prosecute the terrorists who right now are waiting at Guantanamo," Rep. Duncan Hunter, R-Calif., chairman of the House Armed Services Committee, said of the prisoners held at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.
The deal doesn't sit well with everyone. The American Civil Liberties Union is calling on Congress to reject the compromise, which it says does not meet international treaty obligations and fails to protect the due process rights of suspects.
The president's other priority in the war on terror involves legislation to explicitly allow wiretapping without a court warrant on international calls and e-mails between suspected terrorists in the United States and abroad.
One official said Republicans had narrowed their differences with the White House over that issue, as well, and hoped for an agreement soon.
About 450 terrorism suspects, most of them captured in Afghanistan and none of them in the U.S., are being held by military authorities at Guantanamo Bay. Ten have been charged with crimes.
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It scared me a little.
VOTE THESE FOOLISH FOLX OUT OF CONGRESS.
So,what is this about then....oh yea, POLITICS. The GOP is scared about the Nov elections and they should be. "TERROR" is all they have to go on. They need the public to be scared. Take out "TERROR" and the GOP looks like in the last 6 years they didn't do anything except the "HORSE BILL", "Intelligent Design", and most incredibly stupid, the "WAR IN IRAQ".
Hey G.W. Bush, about your war in Iraq:
I hope it all ends soon there, and family of mine can come home before they get killed. I put the blame solely in your hands for the cursory war in Iraq, which you and your cursory administration led us into.Mr. President you and your talking point robots of a constituency have lost my confidence. My vote is not going to be aligned with the GOP. Your party shows no willingness to show individuality, intelligence, and a freewill.
Mr. President, you and the GOP have failed us.
The days are long but the weeks are fast. Don't let another 10th of your life past by with out you asking yourself what you can do to better our world. VOTE smart. Get CENTERED!
We have now granted our governement the right to hold tribunals instead of trials, where coerced testimony is admitted. Bush fans say its limited.
If this follows the rule, then we will see these tribunals extended first to domestic offenses, then to some trumped-up crises in crime like some new drug problem, then become the common form of justice, with jury trials being only in special cases.
It is quite easy to get convictions when you coerce testimony, you can torture someone until they confess to anything, then convict. How neat and appealing to lazy bureaucrats, imagine 100% of crime appears to be solved, with little actual police work to do. Eat some doughnuts, pick someone up at random and beat them bloody, another crime solved.
Or claim there is a terrorist crisis, beat some cab drivers from Afganistan until they "confess", then convict them, proving to everyone there really was a terrorist crisis.
I would think tortured confessions wouldn't be admissable in anything that aspires to be a legitimate court. Anyone will confess to anything under torture or "alternative interrogation". Easy to get a conviction, though.
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