Bush: War 'Straining' American Psyche

But President Says He Will Not Change Course In Iraq Or Shy From Debate

(CBS/AP)  President Bush said Monday the Iraq war is "straining the psyche of our country" but leaving now would be a disaster.

Mr. Bush served notice at a news conference that he would not change course or flinch from debate about the unpopular war as he campaigns for Republicans in the November congressional elections. In fact, he suggested that national security and the economy should be the top political issues, and criticized the Democrats' approach on both.

Many Democrats want to leave Iraq "before the job is done," the president said. "I can't tell you exactly when it's going to be done," he said, but "if we ever give up the desire to help people who live in freedom, we will have lost our soul as a nation, as far as I'm concerned."

Also, Mr. Bush likened Hezbollah and the violence in Lebanon to that in Iraq — both, in his view, the work of terrorists — and called for quick deployment of an international force to stabilize Lebanon, CBS News senior White House correspondent Bill Plante reports.

"The reality is in order for Lebanon to succeed — and we want Lebanon's democracy to succeed — the Lebanese government's eventually going to have to deal with Hezbollah," Mr. Bush said.

Now in its fourth year, the war has taken a heavy toll — more than 2,600 Americans have died and many more Iraqis have been killed. Last month alone, about 3,500 Iraqis died violently, the highest monthly civilian toll so far. Bush's approval rating has slumped to the lowest point of his presidency, and Republicans are concerned that they could lose control of Congress because of voters' unhappiness.

Mr. Bush said if you think the situation is bad now, it would be chaos if the U.S. left early, CBS News White House correspondent Mark Knoller reports. But the president said he was frustrated by the war at times.

"War is not a time of joy," he said. "These are challenging times, and they're difficult times, and they're straining the psyche of our country. I understand that. You know, nobody likes to see innocent people die. Nobody wants to turn on their TV on a daily basis and see havoc wrought by terrorists."

But Mr. Bush said he agreed with Gen. John Abizaid, the top U.S. commander in the Middle East, that if "we leave before the mission is done, the terrorists will follow us here." A failed Iraq would provide a safe haven for terrorists and extremists and give them revenue from oil sales, President Bush said.

In response, Democrats said it was time for a new direction and Mr. Bush should begin redeploying troops this year.

"Our soldiers in Iraq should transition to a more limited mission focused on counterterrorism, force protection of U.S. personnel and training and logistical support of Iraqi security forces," House Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi said.

Senate Democratic Leader Harry Reid said, "Far from spreading freedom and democracy in the Middle East, the Bush administration has watched while extremists grow stronger, Iran goes nuclear, Iraq falls into civil war and oil and gas prices skyrocket. Simply staying the course is unacceptable."

President Bush said differences over Iraq provide "an interesting debate." "There's a lot of people — good, decent people — saying 'withdraw now.' They're absolutely wrong. ... We're not leaving, so long as I'm the president. That would be a huge mistake."

[denverphotog]

Why won't any reporters demand REAL answers? So the chimp says he supports diversifying away from oil. Yippee. A perfect followup question would be: Why then are we giving billion of dollars of subsidies to the oil companies that are *** over every single American each time they are at the gas pump?

Come on folks, hold this incompetent administration accountable for something instead of just allowing the bidness as usual.

[nmitch2311]

I do not understand this political tactic. Let me get this straight. Israel and Hezbollah has been bombing each other during the past months and Bush want to send my money to lebanon and to Israel to help rebuild infrastructures and other aids do to the destruction that I (The US) did not contribute and participate whatsoever to the damages done. Then, he is upset and want France to help more in aid to lebanon and to the piece agreement. Will some political major or advisor please explain to me why the US should send money even though we had nothing to do with the destruction of Lebanon and Israel.

[palo2005]

Lets face it the jerk is an oil man and he likes to spend other peoples money. People in lebanon and Iraq have been fighting since the start of time. What makes the President think he can change things now? Bring our troops home and spend all that money on what is wrong here in the US. We have no business over there.

[getalife7]

I think it's just great how we keep giving out all of this money that we don't have. We spend so much money on other countries (money that we don't have)yet we won't step up and send more money to people who live here on our own soil. What a great place to live.

[tonnie45]

You just have to love the United States of America. We can send so much money to all these other countries, but we can't help our own people. The fact that we send our money else where, should tell the American people just where we stand with our so called president. Just a good example of the love our politicians have for us. The rich get tax breaks and the poor pay more. As my daddy says "the rich man gets richer and the poor man gets poorer". This country sucks.

[duffyn]

Yes, on the helping your own country, Katrina comes to mind. One guy even suggested after Hezbollah rebuilt Lebanon - they could come clean up Katrina! Well, that's not going to happen! The sequence gets me. bush's military industrial complex buddies make a whole PILE of money building & selling weapons to Israel. Then bush goads them into an attack so they can get a feel for what Hezbollah is like in combat, because, oh yes, they want to attack Iran. Then us taxpayers pay to clean up the bombing!!!! This is logic??? In this one tiny instance, I agree with his "carrots" - I think we've had enough of the "sticks". But this is election time - so bush admin will make nice for a little while.

[duffyn]

Oh, and by the way. If the Dems get control - I really don't think they're going to leave Iraq in a mess. Sure they're talking out but not just immediately.

[parrott47]

All the money mentioned as being set aside for Katrina relief sounds good unless you know the real situation. My son cannot get any help because he makes too much money. Could this be because he has a family, attends church, pays his own bill, taxes, mortagage, active in his city and community, is educated? Is $80,000 per year for a family of 6 too much money? The ear marked money for relief must not be for someone wanting to live the American Dream. The city,state and federal government have all denied him and his family relief, grants, government loans or even low interest loans. He paid for his home to be leveled, his lot cleared, and the removal of trash. He is financing his new home in NO on his home without any hesitation or help. He is the person you would want next door. Thank you Mr. Bush for all your efforts. NO will be rebuilt by the people you and the state will never invest in.
Spike Lee has a special coming to TV. I hope all will watch including Mr. Bush.

[duffyn]

nmitch2311 - US has a lot do do with Israel bombing Lebanon. Most all of the bombs, missiles, weapons Israel uses against others are made in the USA. It's been said and I believe that bush admin was actually behind this last little "war" - just so they could test hezbollah. bush likes to say they (terrorist etc - whoever he sees as an enemy) hates our freedom. Lie - they hate our policies in the Middle East. Namely always sticking up and supporting Israel. As unhappy as I am about the 230 million at least he is finally showing a tiny bit of fairness to the other countries in the region. We need to be seen as a fair broker in the region, else, no peace.

[tibu987]

I just read where President Bush has authorized 270 million dollars of aid to help rebuild Lebanon. This is the same guy that during this fight also authorized sending 1000 lb. bombs and other war materiel to Israel to blow up Lebanon and kill it's people. Ah, I'm missing something here. And we wonder why people all the world hate the U.S., we have a foreign policy that makes absolutely no sense to anyone outside of Washington.

[rihan156]

Good to hear that the US finds it urgent to get the peacekeeping troops in Lebanon ASAP. I only wish the same urgency to act and stop the carnage had been felt when the war began; it would have saved so many lives! Rebuilding assistance after sending X to destroy and kill? To help pass this bitter bill, better call the nurse U.N. because right now I humbly believe the wound it still bleeding...

Logistical support with command and control assistance and intelligence? Unless the Lebanese are the dumbest on the face of the earth, better leave them alone and decide who they want to play that role for them; I would not open my door for the robber to get away with more...

I thought Iraq's war was just for removing Saddam; now, it is official: we got there and stay for their oil (and don't dare contradict me on that!)

Finally, what really is the mission in Iraq? Despite our pink glasses, we know the civil war is raging. Why not call "9/11 UN" and the Arabs whose silence had been so deafening, to help out? There is no shame in recognizing the Iraqis will never been able to resolve it on their own because it is among them; our presence is poisoning the atmosphere and not helping. The quick and smart exit strategy would look like, "they need close allies and neutral negotiators to pull that out."

Humble thoughts.

[bp5511]

I must have missed something?? The tax dollars we send to Washington are supposed to be helping people in this Country and fighting Terrorist. I thought we were not helping Countries that support or harbor Terrorist?? Why are we sending money to to Lebanon.?? We have a dire need to help the people of the United States. Our People are becoming over burdoned with the taxes we are paying to help other countries continue to fight and rebuild on our backs.

[grazinggoat]

Shame on You Mr Bush, Lebanese don't need this money. They need you to change the incompetent liar counsellors into your team. They need no money coming from you. The only ones who will take this money is the corrupt leaders that you entertain. Give it to real people-connected organizations. Those who will give it back to the people who suffered their homes destroyed atop of them, the wounded, the people who had their little sons and daughters burried alive in a QANA-shelter by a so INTELLIGENT bomb IDF shot, very knowledgeably. Lebanese as much as Palestinians need a JUST PEACE. Listen to them and come with an agreement that will bring JUSTICE to everybody, with no disticntion or preference. Otherwise it's a NO GO Mr BUSH.

Mr BUSH, shame on YOU. You know how much all what you are pledging doesn't even represent 5% of what IDF has spent in purhcasing of BOMBS from the US, BOMBS that they spilled all over the civilians... SHAME ON YOU And SHAME on All those who support you in this last act of Terror (Not to call it Crime against Humanity as per Lebanese Prime Minister) against the Lebanese Population

[pulito1]

If it wasn't for Bush, Lebanon wouldn't need the aid. Hello. Has the world become completely mad?

[mmarsalek]

Hopelessly bogged down in Iraq and unable to expand his war on terror, Bush secretly schemed with Ohlmert to cripple or exterminate Hezbollah and to discredit and collapse the Hamas government. Bush's ultimate goal is to draw Iran into the conflict and to launch a pre-emptive nuclear strike against them for lack of any other military option. Like it or not, the U.S. and Israel are legally and morally financially responsible to rebuild Lebanon and the U.S. has the sole responsibility to rebuild Iraq.

[clestes-2009]

Since Bush conspired with Israel to create the Lebanon disaster, the Bush family and prime minister Ohlmert family should pay for it. They didn't consult with the American people or the Israeli people.

Bush has all the signs of a megalomanic disorder. He believes he is above everyone else and we are all stupid for doubting him even when the facts are so glaring obvious. Iraq will never be stable as long as American soldiers are stationed there. Doesn't anyone at the Whitehouse get it??? It is the continueing presence of American soldiers that fuel the insurgency.

I have a question for Bush supporters. How would feel if Canada invaded the U.S. deposed our leader and installed someone who brutally abused the American people all the while stealing our natural resources and sell to Canada at dirt cheap prices. And then installed army bases with soldiers to prop up the new leader. Wouldn't you be mad? Wouldn't you feel like you had the right to get rid of the leader and soldiers??
That is exactly what we are doing in Iraq.

How can anyone wonder at their anger. And it has nothing to do with our "personal freedoms". It has to do with our disaster of a foreign policy. One that does not respect any foreign power, espcially the oil rich middle east.

[tomflint69]

Mr. Bush, your party must come again to make more mistakes and making U.S ..... you better know. lol. today we Americans aren't known in good words through out the world.

[emhawks]

I agree, not one US dime needs to be spent to rebuild Lebanon. We need to be aware that there's much more @ work here than Bush & a disasterous foreign policy. Cheney is the one who controls Bush; he is the real President, Bush is the "mouthpiece". There's power, oil, money (billions) to be made by Cheney's company Halliburton & it's subsidiaries (ex.: Iraq war; supplying weapons to Israel; a possible conflict with Iran would open even more avenues for war profiteering, etc.). Read about the Project for the New American Century (PNAC) & their goals & notice who the founders of PNAC are; there's much info. on the Internet about PNAC. Also ck. out the Carlye Group.
For the record: My political party is Independent. I love America very much; it makes me sick to see what the Bush adm. is doing to America; it makes me sick to see the US soldiers that have been maimed for life & to think about the ones who are dead; it makes me sick to read about the innocent Iraqi citizens that have been maimed or killed. We all know tremendous power & money have the potential to corrupt anyone. We also know, that there's always been some degree of corruption present in all presidential adm. I believe the Bush/Cheney adm. is the most corrupt in our nation's history so far. I say this not with hatred, but with despair. I hope & pray that, after the Nov. '06 elections, we'll have many new Congressmen/women who will make some changes for the good of America & it's citizens.

[jms_cheung]

The Transatlantic air plot reminders us that global Islamist terrorism is alive! WHY the pop rating for Bush is going down in the US ? The simple truth is that `people have short-memory' and have forgotten the terror & horror of Sep 11 when 3000 innocent lives were wiped out....and billions of $$ too! Believe me, give the US another Sep 11 ( or a more devastating disaster plotted by the terrorists), I guarantee you, that the Americans will jack up Bush pop vote and even give him a standing ovation! I remember, while in junior school, our teacher used to tell us, `If America goes, there goes the world!' I cannot fully understand it then, but now know the necessity of the US & their sacrifices have brought freedom & the joy of living to this world's depressed peoples. As the US election is near the corner, I only hope the Americans would THINK TWICE before they consider throwing out Bush and the Republican government. From past history, it goes without saying that Republican presidents can do a BETTER job in fighting wars than the Democrats...President Clinton has turned a dear ear and a blind eye to the spread of Global Islamist Terrorism during his many years in office ...thus resulted in the Sep 11 tragedy....and the many terrorist evil that follow until today. In view of current and unending wars against global terrorism, we have no choice but to vote in a Republican president!

[jms_cheung]

The Transatlantic air plot reminders us that global Islamist terrorism is alive! WHY the pop rating for Bush is going down in the US ? The simple truth is that `people have short-memory' and have forgotten the terror & horror of Sep 11 when 3000 innocent lives were wiped out....and billions of $$ too! Believe me, give the US another Sep 11 ( or a more devastating disaster plotted by the terrorists), I guarantee you, that the Americans will jack up Bush pop vote and even give him a standing ovation! I remember, while in junior school, our teacher used to tell us, `If America goes, there goes the world!' I cannot fully understand it then, but now know the necessity of the US & their sacrifices have brought freedom & the joy of living to this world's depressed peoples. As the US election is near the corner, I only hope the Americans would THINK TWICE before they consider throwing out Bush and the Republican government. From past history, it goes without saying that Republican presidents can do a BETTER job in fighting wars than the Democrats...President Clinton has turned a dear ear and a blind eye to the spread of Global Islamist Terrorism during his many years in office ...thus resulted in the Sep 11 tragedy....and the many terrorist evil that follow until today. In view of current and unending wars against global terrorism, we have no choice but to vote in a Republican president!

[jms_cheung]

I guess the pop rating goes down for Bush at home is because of `mounting casualties in Iraq and Afghanistan'....The only solution is to aim for ZERO US casualty...and all mouths in the US would be shut! This is possible when all US soldiers are free from routine patrolling of roads, etc...and assume the CONTROL & COMMAND duties only in these countries. Speed up the recruiting/training of Army/Police forces and let the Iraqis do all the routine guards/patrolling, etc.. The US should send in the so-called SWAT teams or those of `007 James Bond' calibres...to go HUNTING down terrorists and their strongholds...ALL MARINES SHOULD BE SENT HOME....and in its place put int these SPECIAL FORCES to do the job....and I am quite sure ....we can achieve ZERO US CASUALTY in Iraq & Afghanistan! It's true that if the US packs up and goes home, the Islamist terrorists will be emboldened to follow them home(US)...and another Sep 11 (or even worse) is not impossible !

[long_rider]

For a President, this one gets dumber by the day. All of America knows that we can%u2019t just pull out of Iraq, he has seen to that. What he does not realize is that Americans do not have confidence in him, or any of his staff, to bring this to a successful conclusion. A good manager is graded by the quality of his staff, this pres., gets an %u201CF%u201D. Why isn%u2019t Rice over there trying to work things out? He won%u2019t let her, or she doesn%u2019t know where to start.

There was,and still is one glaring problem with this war from the onset %u2013 A PLAN. The pres. has the tiger by the tail. Now what?

There is an under lying thing about this war. He lied to congress, and the American people to go to war, but why? The fact that Cheney was once chairman of the board of Halliburton, and Halliburton was awarded a sole source contract (no bidding took place), kind of makes you wonder. The pres. Himself is an oil man, along with daddy, therefore he benefits (financially) from this war. Where is the motive for resolving this war?

Get out? He has seen to it that we can%u2019t. I know two things for sure, the next president is set up for failure (he had better be strong). Also, we should pass a law stating that Texas oil men can never be elected president, or run for the presidential office, or be VP.

Nixon never lived in a bubble like this pres. does.

[emsprater]

I want to know why there is no mention in the story CBS News has posted of the real story from this press conference.

"You know, I've heard this theory about, you know, everything was just fine until we arrived and, you know, kind of -- the "stir up the hornet's nest" theory. It just doesn't hold water as far as I'm concerned. The terrorists attacked us and killed 3,000 of our citizens before we started the freedom agenda in the Middle East. They were --

Q: What did Iraq have to do with that?

BUSH: What did Iraq have to do with what?

Q: The attack on the World Trade Center.

BUSH: Nothing, except for it's part of -- and nobody's ever suggested in this administration that Saddam Hussein ordered the attack. Iraq was a -- Iraq -- the lesson of September the 11th is take threats before they fully materialize, Ken."

Why are there no mentions in the story of this?
Where are the real journalists who will tackle this and research each and every time the Bush administration either implied, inferred or sent a subordinate to do it for them that Iraq was indeed tied to the 9-11 terrorists?

Why did we see Clinton say "I did not have *** with that woman" a million times, and not even a mention of this? NO ONE DIED WHEN CLINTON LIED.

Must we be subjugated to "JonBenet 24/7" while America falls down around us under the leadership of this dolt?

What about it CBS? NO cahones?

[ourtomorrows]

I was pleased to see President Bush defend the position of his administration today and make it clear that we will not back down from our responsibilities in Iraq. I was also pleased to hear about the multi-million dollar aid package the US is sending to Lebanon to help the Lebanese government rebuild. Though it does not suprise me that few posting here find either action commendable or appropriate. You know folks, at some point someone has to lead and make the hard decisions to do what he or she feels is best. President Bush has made many difficult decisions since September 11. He has chosen to confront terror and terrorist regimes head on and not back down from them. The more evidence the comes out from papers seized from Saddam Hussein's ministries/offices SHOW connections between Al Quaeda and Iraq, you just have to read the documents. They are on line in scanned form and then in a translation.

[ourtomorrows]

For those who say this is about some conspiracy with the Vice President and oil, I suggest you go back 20 years when then blood for oil quip meant something, it does not now. Anyone who is foolish enough to think this is about oil and Haliburton is missing the boat. And those of you who oppose American policy should realize that. This is about a policy aimed at transforming the Middle East, of rooting out terrorists their and elsewhere AND the regimes that back them (how ever did those 300 British night vision goggles sent via the UN to Iran to augment UN backed Iranian attempts to halt international drug trafficing reach a Hezbollah command center---hmm, I wonder).


If we don't stand up, who exactly will. France? Yes, they have been great during the Lebanon crisis, a whopping 400 troops for the International peace keeing force, wow, that sure is showing leadership! And all the French money already flowing into Lebanon to help rebuilding, oh, wait, sorry, my mistake, those are AMERICAN dollars not euros.
It is all well and good to bemoan US policy, hate the president, conjure up idiotic conspiracy theories, that is what all Americans have the freedom to do. But, people, maybe it is time for some of you to wake up from your dream world. We can't hide behind our oceans (we tried that in the 1930s, not so successful)anymore. Terrorism was alive and well before September 11, we just were not paying attention. Afghanistan and Iraq did not make it worse, just more visible.

[ourtomorrows]

and lastly, I agree with emhawks on one point and I think most people do in regard to how horrific it is to see men and women in our armed forces give their lives in Iraq and Afghanistan. Not just people you see on news reports, but men and women you know from your own community or family. The same for the Iraquis who are killed each day by their own countrymen. I believe President Bush feels the weight of those deaths just as his father felt the weight of every soldier's death in the first Gulf War (watch the interviews of the elder Bush in the mid-1990s and you can feel how much it still haunted him). The President ordered those men and women into action and in the end, they are his responsibility. I believe he knows that be that he feels he is fighting to defend America and to make a future that, for all the bloodshed now, will be a more peaceful world in the end. He may be totally wrong and it is certainly fair to challenge his policies.

[ourtomorrows]

What is unfair is to scream blood for oil and talk about conspiracies and Haliburton, that is not what these conflicts are about. If you want to argue that the US should stay out of Middle Eastern politics and let those states fend for themselves, fine, then make that argument. If you believe we should pull out of Iraq, then make the argument but without the "he lied about why we went to war" and the oil conspiracy garbage. People say that President Bush is not an intelligent man, that he and his policies are simplistic, yet, those who oppose him rarely do better then hurling personal insults at him, accuse him of lying and being at the center of some grand conspiracy. If you want to attack his policy, then attack its underlying ideas. If you can't and all you can do is hurl insults and soap-operaesque-grand-scheme-world dominatin by *** Cheney theories, then perhaps you need to reevaluate your arguments.

[gerardrjj]

Facts:

1. Iraq, and the entire middle-east region, is mired in social/religious turmoil and has been for millennia.

2. Iraq had zero involvement in Sep. 11 attacks in the U.S.

3. Iraq had zero government support for any US directed "terrorism".

3. Iraq invaded Kuwait with the full fore-knowledge and stated indifference from the U.S.

4. Iraq was only a stable country because of Saddam Hussein. He was, for lack of a better term, a common enemy for all the people. He was powerful enough to fend of attacks and keep the factions from attacking each other. U.S. troops have now taken on that "common enemy" role.

5. More "innocent" Iraqis have died in the last 3 years by American hands than would have by Saddam's. Where's the better life?

6. If Saddam is to be convicted of war crimes for keeping the country from an ethnic civil war, then we also need to posthumously convict Winston Churchill who committed the same acts as Saddam (gassing Kurds, political prisoners, etc) when Britain occupied Iraq.

7. The "objective" Bush has stated for Iraq is untenable. You can not force "democracy" on a people, it must occur naturally from within. The only way democracy will flourish there is for us to leave and for the people to organically grow the democracy; if that's what they want/can tolerate.

[ourtomorrows]

To gerardrjj

You posted the following facts, but I have some questions

Facts:

1. You say--Iraq, and the entire middle-east region, is mired in social/religious turmoil and has been for millennia.
Eh, no. Actually, the middle east experienced periods of stability and relative peace over the course of the last 1000 years. There were decades, even centuries under the auspices of the Ottoman sultans in which the Middle East enjoyed relative calm and general domestic stability. You might try checking your history.

2. You say--Iraq had zero involvement in Sep. 11 attacks in the U.S.
That could very well be right. But, the papers being released under the freedom of information act of those seized by coalition forces seem to tell a somewhat different story. We will only know for sure when all have been released and examined. You can conclusively say that since all the evidence has not been full evaluated.

3. You say--Iraq had zero government support for any US directed "terrorism".
Again, the papers that are slowly coming out from the Hussein government seem to indicate connections and meetings between members of the Iraqui govt and the Al Quaeda leadership. I don't see how you can make such a statement when there is still so much evidence to be examined and processed.

[ourtomorrows]

3. Iraq invaded Kuwait with the full fore-knowledge and stated indifference from the U.S.
Where exactly did you get this and what is the evidence that supports this claim?

4. You say--Iraq was only a stable country because of Saddam Hussein. He was, for lack of a better term, a common enemy for all the people. He was powerful enough to fend of attacks and keep the factions from attacking each other. U.S. troops have now taken on that "common enemy" role.
Which does not justify anything. One could point out that the bloodiest attacks in the last three months have been directed against other Iraquis, not against us.
5. You say--More "innocent" Iraqis have died in the last 3 years by American hands than would have by Saddam's. Where's the better life?
How could you possibly make this statement. You have no idea what Saddam would or would not have done.

6. You say--If Saddam is to be convicted of war crimes for keeping the country from an ethnic civil war, then we also need to posthumously convict Winston Churchill who committed the same acts as Saddam (gassing Kurds, political prisoners, etc) when Britain occupied Iraq.
Okay, no here you just cross the line. Comparing
Churchill to Hussein is ignorant and absurd. Were it not for Winston Churchill you my friend might be posting this in German, or actually wait, no, this type of thing would not exist.

[ourtomorrows]

7. You say--The "objective" Bush has stated for Iraq is untenable. You can not force "democracy" on a people, it must occur naturally from within. The only way democracy will flourish there is for us to leave and for the people to organically grow the democracy; if that's what they want/can tolerate.
So, I gather you opposed the war to begin with,fine. But you also oppose us trying to help Iraq rebuild. Sooooooooo, for you what woudl be best is to just pull right out before the Iraqui government and army is strong enough to stand ontheir own, and let a bunch of Iranian backed terrorists help drive the country into civil war. So, what you are saying I guess is that it is okay for Iran to support bands of murderers but it is bad for the US to try to help the LEGALLY ELECTED Iraqui government gain the tools they need to protect their people. Maybe we should have left the Germans in the rubble of and just "waited to see" what would happen. Now, just a minute, something about Germany, what is it, oh yes, real democracy came to Germany and to an extent Japan as a result of World War I and II for Germany and World War II for Japan. And they are all the worse for it, having the second and third most powerful economies in the world must really suck.

[grazinggoat]

ourtomorrows and chip chop cheung, what a psycho bloodsuckers U are... How many shares you have in the Oil industry? Or maybe in the arms and violence industry? Maybe you don't know how much, you have a selective memory, you just remember to spit your poison on terrorsits who, I remind you, you Alzheimer sufferers, did not exist before the previous 20-30 yrs or so. You were so proud of them when they kicked, and I say kicked, the Russian armies out of Afghanistan, just the same way theyll kick the US armys poor soldiers out.

[carlylaine]

emsprater: You are fresh air. Thank you for being strongly conservative and respecting the President and his role.

When we got involved in IRAQ we did it to help the IRAQI people. They had begged the the UNITED STATES to intervene on their behalf.

I agree with emsprater that the oil and HALLIBURTON argument is for those who are copying the words of left wing radicals and they don't really know the issues. If this obnoxious group of people would study the issues instead of mouth the words they would learn something. The left wingers have dummied down the average liberal thereby allowing their lies about the President and his policies to take root in these empty headed fools.

[carlylaine]

grazinggoat

Typical liberal. I can see you turning beet red jumping up and down and drooling.

They call the truth a lie and a lie the truth. What FOOLS these LIBERALS be.

ourtomorrows is obviously a well-read individual.

No one wants war. But in order to have PEACE there must be war.

There was an attempt on the WORLD TRADE CENTER when CLINTON was President. He tried to use the law to control the terrorists.
The COLE was bombed, he did nothing.

I wonder what you (liberals) would do if someone held you at knifepoint, cut you up just a little and slapped your face. You'd stand there and let them do it. Because you want peace.

Clinton did nothing. Bush says NO WAY, we'll go after the terrorists and the terroristic regimes. At least he didn't roll over in the name of peace.

President Bush is a man of good character and morals. In my lifetime I have seen four fantastic presidents-Nixon, Reagan, Bush 1 and Bush 2.

[sharncedar]

"But in order to have PEACE there must be war. "

That's kind of wrong. Let's step back a little. We the citizens have I think a very similar idea - peace and justice prevaling. That's what we might call the middle class ethic. Pax and Justicae.

But, that's a middle class ethic. There are people who are not middle class. People who don't want peace, particularily, they want power, wealth, growth for their investments, orgies of greed and lust, change, chaos, injustice. These are the very rich and the very poor. Your friend in office, despite his sales job, has never been middle class in his life. Never,for example, held a job except for ownership of a baseball team his rich friends gave him. Letting New Orleans die, for example, is typical arrogant Nero style. Middle class guys roll up their sleeves and fix problems.

I must admit I saw a liberal on TV yesterday, and wanted to puke. Again, a person without middle class values.

So let's stand together and not be divided by the super wealthy, the inheritance crowd. War generally doesn't lead to peace, it leads to more war, deeper angers, and more violence in a cycle. That said, the elitists liberals are certainly not for peace, which is why they never spoke up.

[boredatwork5]

Amazing how people 'forget' the past and blindly play follow the leader. The government does not care about me, or you. The government (Donald Rumsfeld and his gang) cares only about money and power and the everlasting possession of it as long as they live. They will do WHATEVER IT TAKES to accomplish this goal, we and everyone else be damned. Mark my words.

Read the article (link below) if you care to know why/how my opinions are formed.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/12/31/world/main534798.shtml

Adolf Hitler said:
"What good fortune for governments that people do not think."

Herman Goering said:
"The people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism."

Joseph Goebbels said:
%u201CIf you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.%u201D

[emsprater]

I hate to burst your bubble there, but I never stated any of the things you attribute to me. Bush is a dolt. GO back and read my post again. I can't believe after all that's been learned since we bagan this foolish invasion of Iraq that there are still good folks out there who are so blind that they can't see the truth when it hits them in the face, even when in a news conference from their own idiot.

emsprater: You are fresh air. Thank you for being strongly conservative and respecting the President and his role.

When we got involved in IRAQ we did it to help the IRAQI people. They had begged the the UNITED STATES to intervene on their behalf.

I agree with emsprater that the oil and HALLIBURTON argument is for those who are copying the words of left wing radicals and they don't really know the issues. If this obnoxious group of people would study the issues instead of mouth the words they would learn something. The left wingers have dummied down the average liberal thereby allowing their lies about the President and his policies to take root in these empty headed fools.


Posted by CarlyLaine at 05:47 AM : Aug 22, 2006

[getagrip54]

Bush apologists amaze me. How can anyone look at his foreign and domestic records and say that he represents the majority of the American people. His "War on terror" has only created more terrorists. He claims that the US in Iraq to promote "freedom" but during his term in office the American people have lost much of their own fredom to a newly-created security industry gone wild. His war is creating a massive federal debt that will take decades to repay. New Orleans is till in ruins, its residents scattered over the country because the Federal response to Katrina has been totally inadequate. Without a doubt Bush jr. will be remembered as one of the worst Presidents in US history. He may be a nice guy but he's a disaster for the country.

"Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives." (John Stuart Mill)