A Mind For Murder

Does A Beloved Professor Have A Mind For Murder?

(CBS)  Carmin was practicing "consegrity," a spiritual approach to medicine that claims to teach the body to heal itself. In September 2002, she went to a consegrity conference in Wichita. That's where she met Larry Lima, a social worker living in San Diego. Shortly after they met, the couple began an affair.

"It hurt me because she was acting in ways that a lot of people in the world act who don't have respect for their spouse -- and just are out living for their own self-gratification," says Danny Ross.

But after years of living what Carmin considered an unfulfilled life, her friends thought change was good for her. "She was extremely happy. And not only had I never seen her that happy, I had never seen anybody that happy," says Hays. "She felt that her life was unfolding as it should, or as she’d always wanted her life to be."

And it wasn't long before Carmin decided she no longer wanted to be married to Murray.

"She tried to get him to go to counseling," says Danny Ross. "She tried to make it work. And she eventually just said, 'It isn't going to work.'"

But the trouble was only just beginning, because Carmin had not only decided to leave Murray -- she decided to take their daughter with her.

Lima still remembers the first time Carmin caught his eye.

"We met at a workshop in Wichita, Kan. She had this plate, and I walked by, and she just very kindly asked if I wanted a piece of watermelon," says Lima. "And I grabbed a watermelon seed and ate it, and walked away, and she just kind of raised her eyebrows. And said afterwards, she knew that that was the moment."

Lima lived in San Diego, and by the fall of 2002, Carmin was flying to see him as often as possible. She confided to Lima that her marriage to Murray was ending. "Something had kind of died inside," says Lima. "She had worked very hard and been unhappy for a very, very long time in her marriage."

In June 2003, after Murray grudgingly agreed to divorce Carmin, she began making plans to move to California. But Murray was not about to let go of their daughter, Ciara.

[mntocogirl]

I am completely appalled by the first poster''s (jabailo) comments! First & foremost there is never any justification for taking another persons life! PERIOD! Second comparing a man''s violent actions to a bull or a tiger is about as ludicrous a comparison as you could find. We are not animals sir - we are humans & thus are expected to act in a far superior manner than we expect of a bull. Additionally this man was not being held captive in this marriage - if he felt it was so terrible & he was being treated so badly then stop being such a wimp - stand up for yourself - show some pride and walk away!

[nellybean3]

I honestly cannot believe the 2 post that I just read. Clearly you are blaming this woman for her own death. Everyone are responsible for their own actions. Just like you read that she met someone and started an affair, I am sure you read that AFTER she became pregnant, her husband started treating her like ***. She met someone else, fell in love and decided to divorce her husband. SHE MOVED ON! He needed to get over it. He was upset by the fact that he no longer had control over their relationship and her life. Since he did not want to have a baby and "THEY" got pregnant, he decided he lost control - so he gained control by treating her poorly. Once she gained power over that and decided to divorce him, he decided he now wanted something to do with their daughter - just to dig at her. When she decided not to move away to California but instead move 90 miles away, he was pissed by that. You guys don''t know what he did or why she felt that she needed to move away from him. As you know, she was no longer his spouse when she decided to move Lima in with her - which is her right and her choice. And I hardly feel the ex husband was so called "pushed over the edge" and killed her because he was investigating it on the computer. You guys don''t know how her behavior was to him nor his to her - you were not there. You simply read a typed summary which spanned in real life 18 years of marriage.

[graceesmom]

This is a sad case. I feel for the family and the child of the victim. I also feel for Murray in a way. People handle emotional distress differently. I mean it must be quite a blow for someone to tell their spouse that they will be moving out to live with another person and will be taking their child with them. But Carmins father says she would have never left Murray. Well she did. She didn''t go all the way to California but she did leave and with their daughter. You know the people suffering is the families. I guess some people get ruthless when the feel that they dont really know what to do. Murray could have probably gotten custody because there was another man she was involved with. I know that some states see it that way. I hope Ciara has a wonderful life even if it is without both of her parents. A shame that her father took her mothers life. Bless her heart.

[jabailo]

So, what we have here is another O.J.

A man driven to an insane rage...but why?

If a person goes in front of a bull and waves a red cape is it any wonder they get gored? If you taunt a tiger in its cage, and it comes after you -- who is to blame.

The family and the wife in this story were completely disingenuous. Clearly, the wife was selfish. Although he was the primary bread winner as she flitted through various "careers" he seemed to stick by her. She seemed to do what she wanted, when she wanted...and when she was done with him, she cast him aside, walked all over him and shoved a new lover in his face.

It doesn''t justify murder, by really, people have to take account of what drives other people. Her behavior was that of a person who was just as cold-blooded to him as he ended up being to her.