Face the Nation transcripts November 3, 2013: Feinstein, Rogers, Hayden

(CBS News) Below is a transcript of "Face the Nation" on November 3, 2013, hosted by CBS News' Bob Schieffer. Guests include: Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., Rep. Mike Rogers, R-Mich., former CIA and NSA Director Michael Hayden, Alexandra Zapruder, Dick Stolley, David Ignatius, David Sanger, and CBS News' John Dickerson and Jan Crawford.

SCHIEFFER: Today on Face the Nation, we're in news overload. And we'll talk today with two officials who are charged with sorting it all out: the chairs of the House and Senate intelligence committees Mike Rogers and Dianne Feinstein. It's hard to know where to start. New outrage over NSA surveillance leaks, more problems with Obamacare, U.S. led drone strikes in Pakistan, target and kill the Taliban leader there, a group of senators threatens to block all administration nominees over the attacks in Benghazi, and a man walks into the Los Angeles Airport and opens fire with an assault weapon. We'll talk about all of it with Senator Feinstein and Congressman Rogers. Then we'll talk to General Michael Hayden who ran the National Security Agency when some of our allies phones were attacked. We'll get analysis from David Ignatius of the Washington Post, David Sanger of the New York Times, CBS News chief legal correspondent Jan Crawford and CBS News political director John Dickerson. And as we approach the 50th anniversary of the Kennedy assassination, we'll talk to former Life magazine editor Dick Stolen and the granddaughter of Abraham Zapruder, the man who shot the most important home movie of all time. It's a lot, but that's what we do at "Face the Nation."

ANNOUNCER: From CBS News in Washington, "Face the Nation" with Bob Schieffer.

SCHIEFFER: And good morning again. We welcome to the broadcast the chairman of the Senate intelligence committee, California Senator Dianne Feinstein. Thank you so much, senator, for coming. You have been a big defender from the beginning of the National Security Agency, but you were clearly upset with the revelation that we were tapping German chancellor Angela Merkel's cell phone. You said it was a big problem that the president was apparently unaware of this. Do you believe that, that the president didn't know this was happening?

FEINSTEIN: Well, I can't answer that. I don't know. But I think where allies are close, tapping private phones of theirs, particularly of the leader, the leader is what I'm talking about, has much more political liability than probably intelligence viability. And I think we ought to look at it carefully. I believe the president is doing that and there are some exceptions.

SCHIEFFER: Well, do you think that the National Security Agency has gone too far?

FEINSTEIN: Well, let me say something about the NSA. I believe the NSA is filled with good patriotic people who want to do the right thing. They follow the orders they're given. The administration controls intelligence. The national intelligence framework is put together by the administration. It begins with the director of national intelligence, it goes to the White House, it's the president, it's the NSC, it's the cabinet and then the framework is formed. Now, what happens is, people add to it, State wants this, Department of State wants to know this, or somebody else wants to know that. Priorities are ranked. As I understand it, these are the priorities. One, terrorism. Two, support of our military abroad. Three, nuclear counter proliferation. Four, hard targets. And now cyber. And those are the main areas. So essentially the NSA is told to do certain things and it does it. What I think we need to do -- we work very well with the House committee and the leadership, Mike Rogers and Congressman Ruppersberger is review of the intelligence framework of how all this gets together. What the criteria for inclusion are. And then we ought to take a look at all the programs that fall under this because it's not just the metadata collection program which is section 1215 and 702 which is the e-mail program from afar. That's been the big news up to now. These are other programs that are formed in different ways under...

SCHIEFFER: But what you're saying is there needs to be a full review and then decide where we go from there.

FEINSTEIN: Yes. The White House is doing it. And we're going to begin it if we can get the appropriate staff.

SCHIEFFER: Let me ask you about this. A German politician actually visited with Edward Snowden, the defector, who dumped all of this information out in to the public arena, met with him last week in Russia. He said he would try to enlist his help to investigate the NSA and suggested that he be brought back to this country and given clemency. What would be your reaction to that?

FEINSTEIN: My reaction would be negative. First of all, this is an American, he was a contractor. He was trusted. He stripped our system. He had an opportunity, if what he was was a whistleblower to pick up the phone to call the House intelligence committee, the Senate intelligence committee and say, look, I have some information you ought to see. And we would certainly see him, maybe both together, maybe separately, but we would have seen him and we would have looked at that information. That didn't happen. And now he's done this enormous disservice to our country. And I think the answer is, no clemency.

SCHIEFFER: In other words, if the United States could get their hands on him you would suggest that he be prosecuted.

FEINSTEIN: That's correct.

SCHIEFFER: Let me shift to the roll out of Obamacare. I mean, this thing seems to be a disaster. It's nothing like the administration said it was going to be. So many things that were supposed to happen didn't happen. Where are we on this?

FEINSTEIN: I think where we are is the divide between policy and technology. It's pretty clear I think to those of us that have been watching this roll out that the technological base was not sufficient. And that the website didn't function. You know, I felt -- and I said this directly to the president's chief of staff, they ought to take down the website until it was right. They believe they need to keep it running that and they can sort out of difficulties that they brought in technological experts from a broad base of the private sector that by the end of November it can be sorted out and be functioning properly. I don't think there's ever been any website started to do what this website does in the size of this one. I don't make excuse, but I think that is pretty much fact of what's happened.

Comments

CBSN Live

pop-out
Live Video

Follow Us

Watch CBSN Live

Watch CBS News anytime, anywhere with the new 24/7 digital news network. Stream CBSN live or on demand for FREE on your TV, computer, tablet, or smartphone.

Face on Twitter