SCHIEFFER: What do you mean?
RHODEN: It's not going to happen. There's always going to be some type of performance-enhancing something, whether it's amphetamines in that generation. In this generation, it's -- and, you know, (inaudible) having everybody do it. You're always going to have this percentage of people doing it. As we speak now, there's some chemist -- there's some chemist thinking of a whole next generation of things. So I see what you're saying about is it important to level the playing field? Yes, but what baseball does, they've got it backwards. What they do is that they take the -- the -- the drug dealers and they try to get the drug dealers to name the users.
SCHIEFFER: But, you know, Bill, I've got to tell you -- I mean, I've played baseball, and I had a sore arm for a long time. And if somebody had told me I could have taken one of these drugs and it would have made my arm OK...
RHODEN: You would have done it.
SCHIEFFER: I probably would have done it, no matter what the doctors were telling me, because my heroes were doing it, you know. And the role model is so important, it seems to me, that I just don't think you can do enough to get rid of this stuff.
NIGHTENGALE: The great -- you know, the great Bob Gibson, the Hall of Famer -- we asked him that question yesterday. He goes, "Thank God it wasn't around when I pitched. I don't know what I would have done."
He says, "So I'm not going to, you know, throw these guys under the bus because I just don't know." The difference now, Bill, with the union is that the players are very upset by this. Max Scherzer, the player rep, went on and about Ryan Braun, saying this guy should be out of baseball; he should have his contract voided. This is the first time the players themselves are coming out...
SCHIEFFER: Let me ask you this. Do you guys see any sense that some of the players now have a whole different attitude about this? Because some people tell me that a lot of them say, "Look, I'm not doing it. If somebody else is going to do it, he might get my job, and I want to get these people out of baseball."
RHODEN: I mean, that's -- that's what they're saying. I mean, I do hear that, but I'm -- I'm -- I'm just wondering. Now, I'm really wondering how true that is if you poll everybody-- and, again, I get back to this thing, if you really want to find out, you know, what baseball -- I guess I don't like the fact that baseball is taking this piecemeal. I want to find -- I want to have something like a truth and reconciliation hearing. I want to find out who did what when. And I think what you do, when you have that kind of hearing, it's going to go all the way up to the top, from the commissioner to executive, people who knew this stuff was going on but, because the turnstiles were whirling and business was good, they turned a blind eye. I'd like to find out once and for all how vast and deep this actually was. And you're never going to see that because too many people would be implicated.
SCHIEFFER: Bob, you said in the beginning you thought we were going to see some more. Do you think sooner rather than later? You said maybe in the next 10 days?
NIGHTENGALE: Yes. I mean, there are -- the investigation is about complete, and this is a Hall of Fame week, and they certainly want to wait after this weekend. And we're going to start seeing guys go down. And they're going to meet with the union and say, "This is what we have, and all your players, and this is what we recommend for suspensions." There will be a minimum of 50 games for every single person. Now we'll see who wants to fight it.
SCHIEFFER: What's your best estimate of how many people are going to be affected?
NIGHTENGALE: I'd say 12 or 15 Major Leaguers, and I think, maybe, you know, there could be a few dozen Minor League players. And since they're not protected by the union, they could be, you know, suspended for 100 games or something like this. So we're going to see a big fallout from this biogenesis.
SCHIEFFER: All right. Well, listen, I want to thank both of you. I think this is a very serious problem. I'm glad you were here to talk about it. And we'll be back in a minute.
SCHIEFFER: Well, that's it for us today. I'll be with you all next week on the CBS Evening News, so I'll see you there. But before we go, we note the passing of former Louisiana Congresswoman Lindy Boggs, who came to Washington as Congressman Hale Boggs' wife in 1941, succeeded him when he died. She became a champion of women's and Civil Rights, was later ambassador to the Vatican. She was also the mother of our friend Cokie Roberts of ABC. Lindy Boggs, 97.