Face the Nation transcripts July 28, 2013: Rogers, Udall, and the latest from Egypt

(CBS News) Below is a transcript of "Face the Nation" on July 28, 2013, hosted by CBS News' Bob Schieffer. Guests include: CBS News' Clarissa Ward and Seth Doane, Rep. Mike Rogers, R-Mich., Sen. Mark Udall, D-Colo., David Gergen, Michael Gerson, Dee Dee Myers, Bob Nightengale and Bill Rhoden.

SCHIEFFER: And good morning, again. It has been a horrendous weekend in Egypt; violent confrontations between the Egyptian military and supporters of former president Mohammed Morsi have left at least 72 dead and hundreds wounded. Secretary of State John Kerry issued a statement saying, "this is a pivotal moment for Egypt," and called for Egypt's leaders to, "act immediately to help their country take a step back from the brink." Our CBS news correspondent Clarissa Ward is in Cairo with the latest. Clarissa, what's -- what is the latest?

CLARISSA WARD, CBS NEWS CORRESPONDENT: Good morning, Bob. Well, tensions here are sky high after those clashes on Friday night and Saturday morning that left scores dead. Egypt's interior minister in a press conference said that Egyptian security forces were only armed with tear gas and that they would never fire live ammunition upon their fellow Egyptians, but that simply doesn't jell, Bob, with what we saw for ourselves when we visited a field hospital, where Morsi supporters were taking their dead and their wounded. We counted 39 dead bodies. And doctors there told us that almost all of them had died from bullet wounds to the head, to the neck and also to the heart. This violence is really just fueling the sense of persecution among Morsi supporters and, of course, on Friday, they received the news that Egyptian authorities are now officially investigating Morsi on charges of espionage and also on charges of collaboration with the militant Palestinian group Hamas.

SCHIEFFER: Clarissa, where do you see this going now?

WARD: Well, Bob, the real fear here is of this pending military action to try to dismantle the protest camp, where thousands of Morsi supporters have been staked out since he was deposed earlier this month. Egypt's interior minister said that this is legally required, that residents in the area have complained that the camp is causing too many disruptions, but the protesters who we spoke to, who are living in that camp, told us they are willing to face down tanks and even to die in order to protect their rights and to continue to call for their Morsi to be reinstated. So many people worry that this is really setting the scene for possibly a very bloody confrontation.

SCHIEFFER: OK, well, thank you so much, Clarissa, and be careful now. And joining us now the House Intelligence Committee Chairman Mike Rogers. He is in Detroit. Mr. Chairman, if this thing gets any worse, and if it blows, I mean, it could set off turmoil all across this region. Is there anything we could be or should be doing right now, in your view?

ROGERS: Well, I think, obviously, we need to play an important role to try to calm the violence that's growing there. We need to be able to, I think, use American influence so that we can make a very clear distinction between the Muslim Brotherhood, who is using democracy to take away women's rights, to take away religious freedom. And what we hope happens is the secular political movement has an opportunity to take root, which is exactly which didn't happen, and there was, candidly, no U.S. influence used there and the secular folks who caused the whole uprising to begin with said, hey, wait a minute; Morsi was very active in taking away our rights, using an election to do it. And so we've got to sort that out. We've got to try to calm things down. And for Americans at home who are saying, well, why should we be interested, 5 percent of the world's oil every single day goes through the Suez Canal, about 8 percent of the world trade. So if this spills over and they lose control of Egypt, it will have real economic impacts for us at home, and, clearly, it's to the benefit of the entire region and world and the United States' interest to have a calm and a sustained, I think, democracy grow in Egypt.

SCHIEFFER: This has sort of overshadowed the civil war that continues to rage in Syria. Is there anything to be hopeful about there in that situation?

ROGERS: We are certainly planning for our best-worst option at this point. Again, here's another case where almost two years go by, no U.S. real stepping up to our allies' call to get involved-- and I'm not talking about boots on the ground, just strong U.S. leadership and bringing special capabilities to this particular problem. But now you've got terrorist groups who are fighting even amongst themselves as they see that this thing is deteriorating in Syria badly. You have Iran using this as a proxy fight. The Russians are still there; Hezbollah, the terrorist organization. You have Iraq now, the Al Qaeda in Iraq now saying it's not just Al Qaeda in Iraq, it's Al Qaeda in the Levant. And it's playing out in this cauldron called Syria and it's putting pressure on all our regional allies there, the Arab League. I have to tell you, Bob, you could not draw up a worse scenario to try to solve than what we're seeing unfold in Syria, and the growing threat from these terrorist groups, who now seem to think that there is real hope for a safe haven in Syria when Assad falls.

SCHIEFFER: Let's talk a little bit about this controversy that continues to build about the National Security Agency and its efforts to put off a terrorist attack on this country, to stave off one. You saw in the House last week, the House almost voted to severely rein in what the National Security Agency is doing, claiming they are invading the privacy of Americans, because they keep this large store of telephone numbers here in this country, which they say they need to have so when they intercept calls from terrorists and other countries, they can check it against this list of phone numbers they have. Have they harmed the privacy or have they invaded our privacy, in your view, Mr. Chairman?

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