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November 10, 2009 6:25 PM

The Left's Stupak Stupification

(AP Photo/Susan Walsh)
This shouldn't be that hard to figure out. Really. But the left's carrying on about Nancy Pelosi's weekend deal with anti-abortion Democrats as if she was channeling the spirit of George W. Bush.

The amendment would strip away abortion coverage in the public insurance option. Moreover, it also would mean that private plans would be prohibited from extending coverage for abortion procedures if they take in patients who get government subsidies. Offered by Rep. Bart Stupak (D-Mich.), the proposal was backed by 64 Democrat lawmakers whose votes secured passage of the House healthcare bill in a 220-215 vote.

Pelosi felt she had to agree to the compromise as the price of moving the process along. Still, the deal infuriated party liberals who described the momentas a rollback of women’s reproductive health. Rep. Barbara Lee (D-CA). declared it to be "simply outrageous." What's more, the decision reportedly caused some female Congresswomen to weep and led to a shouting match between Connecticut Rep. Rosa DeLauro and California Rep. George Miller, an ally of the House Speaker. Traditional allies like
NARAL and Planned Parenthood responded with promises to lobby to rid that language from any Senate bill.

Just in case she wasn't paying close attention, Pelosi was then put on notice by the Congressional Pro-Choice Caucus which signed a pledge to vote against any conference report that might still contain the Stupak provision. (For the record, Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz (D-FL) the House Democrats’ chief deputy whip, doesn't think the Stupak amendment will last through the conference committee stage.)

All of this to the delight of conservatives, who quite enjoyed the spectacle of Democrats at each other's throats. Conservatives argued that the Democrats had brought upon themselves by virtue of their effort to expand government's role in the private market. Here's Philip Klein in the American Spectator.

"Currently, women are able to purchase private health care plans that cover abortion because it remains a legal procedure and we still have a private market for the sale of health insurance. But if the House Democratic health care bill becomes law, individuals will only be allowed to purchase health insurance through a government-run exchange. And because millions of Americans will be using government subsidies to purchase insurance through the exchange, suddenly lawmakers get to have a say on what kind of private insurance policies individuals can purchase."

National Review's Ramesh Ponnuru described the moment as a "tremendous victory for pro-lifers, and the size of the vote actually should occasion some comment about the audacity of the Democratic leadership to try to block the overwhelming will of the House."

Ponnuru's schadenfreude notwithstanding, this doesn't mean that the amendment will necessarily wind up in the final healthcare bill. But if they do strip out the language, the Democratic leadership may then lose the support of the so-called centrists in the Senate like Ben Nelson (D-Neb.) Nelson's spokesman told The Hill that any such maneuver is a deal breaker. A bluff? Wrong question. With the Democrats needing every possible vote in the upper chamber, do they want to risk putting him to the test? Don't forget that Joe Lieberman (I-Conn.) is already on record saying that he plans to filibuster the bill if it contains a public option. Also, (Rep. Joseph Cao (La.), the only Republican who voted for the healthcare bill, said the Stupak amendment was what allowed him to vote for the legislation.

For his part, President Obama could be talking out of both sides of his mouth when it comes to paying for abortion. In a video interview with ABC's Jake Tapper, he said that Congress needs to change abortion-related language in the House bill because "this is a health care bill, not an abortion bill." One should note, however that during his September speech to a joint session of Congress Obama said that under the Democrats' plan "no federal dollars will be used to fund abortions.")

If he fails to make good on his word - whatever that word turns out to be - you won't need to wait until New Year's Eve to see fireworks.
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by pjhappy November 18, 2009 8:25 PM EST
Balfour Decleration of 1917 answers questions people, and as for the otherthings...."the good guys of America"... let's see who started them.....

Source of Day Wikipedia:" Calvin's writing and preachings provided the seeds for the branch of theology that bears his name. The Presbyterian and other Reformed churches, which look to Calvin as a chief expositor of their beliefs, have spread throughout the world. Calvin's thought exerted considerable influence over major religious figures and entire religious movements, such as Puritanism, and some have argued that his ideas have contributed to the rise of capitalism, individualism, and representative democracy in the West."
Huguenots were french followers of Calvin'd ideas, for they knew He had something to do with the Crown the Catholics of France reacted... read Huguenot history.
So the Huguenots exported their poo and guess what they accomplished......the Huguenots are French-Traitors....... here's a few of their "clan" making a "little" dent in history...
Source Wiki(Huguenots)
"Eight American Presidents (George Washington, Ulysses S. Grant, Franklin D. Roosevelt, Theodore Roosevelt, William Taft, Harry Truman, Gerald Ford and Lyndon Johnson) had significant proven Huguenot ancestry, as did founding fathers Alexander Hamilton, John Jay, and Paul Revere. Twelve other U.S. Presidents had credible but unproven claims to Huguenot ancestors.[45]
Davy Crockett, celebrated 19th-century American folk hero, frontiersman, soldier and politician was of Huguenot stock. The Crocketts were the descendants of Huguenots who fled France in the 17th Century and migrated to Ireland. Crockett is an Anglicized version of the name "de Crocketagne".
Francis Marion, American Revolutionary War guerilla fighter, was of predominantly Huguenot heritage.
In 1924 a commemorative half dollar, known as the Huguenot-Walloon Half Dollar[46], was coined in the United States to celebrate the 300th anniversary of their initial settlement in what is now the United States. One Huguenot colonist was a silversmith named Apollos Rivoire, who would later anglicize his name to Paul Revere. He would, still later, give his name and his profession to his son, Paul Revere, the famous United States revolutionary."

You owe vatican 0$ ,FACT - Huguenots have led you to your national and personal debts, FACT, Kennedy the Catholic tried to warn you FACT Lyndon Johnson the Huguenot Stock followed him into office after brains were spilled FACT

The Rothschilds were writing scripts of fiction long before they supplied a few Canadian Jews with the means to create Hollywood....... and this is why America's story and little boys coming out of a battlefield with a flute victorious sounds so much like a Hollywood Script! Good Morning Sunshine, nice to see you WAKE_UP!
A.J.'s "answers" may be dangerous to your LIFE!
Hitler = Tool as Obama = Tool, the math is pure!
Check out the HOLY WAR decleration of 1933 what year did ww2 start?
This had a "offensive to fb users" warning pop up lol http://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docid=1710662559138481080&hl=en&fs=true
I'm going hard here because on infowars.com pay or not, i get censored within 4 minutes everytime with FACTS provided
-still calling them "FREEDOM FRIES" down there y'all???
... as a.j. says , time to do your own homework, and if you do prove my claims wrong, please let me know a.s.a.p. so I can speak TRUTH..thank-you! http://www.sweetliberty.org/issues/israel/freedman.htm
and so you know.... some of us catholics do know of the evils that were committed by so called members of the church, but we choose to hunt down those devils from within the church , the one church that Jesus placed on the shoulders of St-Peter, rather than follow some of those same devils outside of HER!
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by Mikewerk November 12, 2009 1:41 PM EST
The issue here that seems to be overlooked by the posters is in this paragraph...
"The amendment would strip away abortion coverage in the public insurance option. Moreover, it also would mean that private plans would be prohibited from extending coverage for abortion procedures if they take in patients who get government subsidies."

That is the issue! The cold hard reality of this is that 86% of all abortions are conducted on Women in families who earn a combined income of less that $60,000 a year! Among that group 75% of them are at or below the poverty level and therefore, likely to be on some sort of government assistance.

The foolish people who voted for Obama are in for a real surprise! This clown is going to do more to set back our society than we could have ever feared from George Bush Jr.

Good Luck America! Seig Heil Obama!
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by msimamaji November 12, 2009 10:56 AM EST
So, liberals let the Catholic church add the Stupak amendment. According to Salon.com that provided 10 votes to pass health care reform. Now let's see what the Catholic church will do to get health care reform passed in the Senate. Do they plan to ex-communicate anyone who opposes health care reform? If it's OK to ex-communicate people who support gay marriage, why not apply the same rules to health care reform.

Let's look at the Catholic record. Right now, according to the CIA Fact Book in Wikipedia, our infant mortality rate is twice as high as the infant mortality rate of Sweden or France, two nations with little regard for the Catholic church. According to a recent study by the CDC, inadequate medical care is one of the big reasons for our infant mortality rate.
Many desperte women turn to abortions simply because they cannot afford medical bills. If preliminary exams reveal a fetus with a congenital health conditions, again women get abortions because they will not be able to get health insurance.
Now that the Catholic church got what it wanted, will it step up to the plate and take a stand for Justice?
I don't think so.
We have shameful rates of abortion and infant mortality because of the Catholic Church. If we really want to reduce and/or eliminate abortions and infant mortality, maybe we need to shut down the Catholic Church.
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by Greitel November 11, 2009 7:51 PM EST
What's with you pro-aborts thinking that the murder of %50 of all black babies conceived in this country is going to solve the world hunger problem.
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by noloyalisti November 11, 2009 7:33 PM EST
Be a Republican. Care about human beings until they are born, then throw them under the bus. And care only about yourself.
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by mumma11 November 11, 2009 4:30 PM EST
How does anyone justify the transformation of the abortion rights argument into an argument for the right to taxpayer paid free abortions? Silence!!
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by CommieBlaster November 11, 2009 12:21 PM EST
Barbara Lee is a Communist. See Proof Here: http://www.commieblaster.com/progressives/index.html#Anchor-47857
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by noloyalisti November 11, 2009 7:32 PM EST
And Obama is a Muslim. And Rush Limbaugh is not a homophobic racist. And the moon is made of green cheese.
by jdavidlove November 11, 2009 9:55 AM EST
Abortion was legal in Roe vs. Wade. So what? Hitler's "Final Solution" against the Jews pales in comparison to Roe v. Wade in terms of atrocities. Segregation was also legal at one time you goofs. Doesn't mean it was right. Women who vociferously push their right to kill unborn children ought to be jailed for inciting violence against children. Child pornography is an outrage, but cutting them up before they're born is nothing to think twice about? Come on? Oh, and why! Because a child is an inconvenience to a mother who only has to put up with the child for 9 months before they can give them up for adoption? This goes so far beyond shame. If I had it my way, you'd be put in jail or worse for abortion. Those who fought for it would be arrested for inciting violence against children. So many, many women are terrible, vapid fools.
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by hungry1968-17 November 11, 2009 10:30 AM EST
If I had my way, you'd be forcibly expatriated and deported for telling people that YOUR BELIEF trumps THEIR RIGHTS.
by jimbom121 November 11, 2009 11:07 AM EST
Sorry buddy, you zedalots really need to stop using the holocost analogies. They just make you sound ignorant...I guess the truth comes out.
by crikeytx46 November 11, 2009 2:02 PM EST
So hungry1968-17 are you telling us that your belief trumps the rights of the unborn?
by rwg52 November 11, 2009 2:19 PM EST
do you really believe that taking life is a right?
by sandy19731 November 14, 2009 4:10 PM EST
And, how many children came out of your body?
by DoubleHappiness88 November 11, 2009 9:41 AM EST
"The Bible and the Church have been the greatest stumbling blocks in the way of women's emancipation." --Elizabeth Cady Stanton

"I almost shudder at the thought of alluding to the most fatal example of the abuses of grief which the history of mankind has preserved - the Cross. Consider what calamities that engine of grief has produced!" --John Adams, 2nd US President

"The purpose of separation of church and state is to keep forever from these shores the ceaseless strife that has soaked the soil of Europe in blood for centuries."
-- James Madison, 4th Us President

The clergy, by getting themselves established by law and engrafted into the machine of government, have been a very formidable engine against the civil and religious rights of man.-- Thomas Jefferson

"The United States of America should have a foundation free from the influence of clergy." --George Washington

RELIGION POISONS EVERYTHING!
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by crikeytx46 November 11, 2009 1:58 PM EST
So explain to me the fact that all these abortions have soaked American soil. WHY?
by pjhappy November 18, 2009 8:25 PM EST
Balfour Decleration of 1917 answers questions people, and as for the otherthings...."the good guys of America"... let's see who started them.....

Source of Day Wikipedia:" Calvin's writing and preachings provided the seeds for the branch of theology that bears his name. The Presbyterian and other Reformed churches, which look to Calvin as a chief expositor of their beliefs, have spread throughout the world. Calvin's thought exerted considerable influence over major religious figures and entire religious movements, such as Puritanism, and some have argued that his ideas have contributed to the rise of capitalism, individualism, and representative democracy in the West."
Huguenots were french followers of Calvin'd ideas, for they knew He had something to do with the Crown the Catholics of France reacted... read Huguenot history.
So the Huguenots exported their poo and guess what they accomplished......the Huguenots are French-Traitors....... here's a few of their "clan" making a "little" dent in history...
Source Wiki(Huguenots)
"Eight American Presidents (George Washington, Ulysses S. Grant, Franklin D. Roosevelt, Theodore Roosevelt, William Taft, Harry Truman, Gerald Ford and Lyndon Johnson) had significant proven Huguenot ancestry, as did founding fathers Alexander Hamilton, John Jay, and Paul Revere. Twelve other U.S. Presidents had credible but unproven claims to Huguenot ancestors.[45]
Davy Crockett, celebrated 19th-century American folk hero, frontiersman, soldier and politician was of Huguenot stock. The Crocketts were the descendants of Huguenots who fled France in the 17th Century and migrated to Ireland. Crockett is an Anglicized version of the name "de Crocketagne".
Francis Marion, American Revolutionary War guerilla fighter, was of predominantly Huguenot heritage.
In 1924 a commemorative half dollar, known as the Huguenot-Walloon Half Dollar[46], was coined in the United States to celebrate the 300th anniversary of their initial settlement in what is now the United States. One Huguenot colonist was a silversmith named Apollos Rivoire, who would later anglicize his name to Paul Revere. He would, still later, give his name and his profession to his son, Paul Revere, the famous United States revolutionary."

You owe vatican 0$ ,FACT - Huguenots have led you to your national and personal debts, FACT, Kennedy the Catholic tried to warn you FACT Lyndon Johnson the Huguenot Stock followed him into office after brains were spilled FACT

The Rothschilds were writing scripts of fiction long before they supplied a few Canadian Jews with the means to create Hollywood....... and this is why America's story and little boys coming out of a battlefield with a flute victorious sounds so much like a Hollywood Script! Good Morning Sunshine, nice to see you WAKE_UP!
A.J.'s "answers" may be dangerous to your LIFE!
Hitler = Tool as Obama = Tool, the math is pure!
Check out the HOLY WAR decleration of 1933 what year did ww2 start?
This had a "offensive to fb users" warning pop up lol http://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docid=1710662559138481080&hl=en&fs=true
I'm going hard here because on infowars.com pay or not, i get censored within 4 minutes everytime with FACTS provided
-still calling them "FREEDOM FRIES" down there y'all???
... as a.j. says , time to do your own homework, and if you do prove my claims wrong, please let me know a.s.a.p. so I can speak TRUTH..thank-you! http://www.sweetliberty.org/issues/israel/freedman.htm
and so you know.... some of us catholics do know of the evils that were committed by so called members of the church, but we choose to hunt down those devils from within the church , the one church that Jesus placed on the shoulders of St-Peter, rather than follow some of those same devils outside of HER!
by brian1920 November 11, 2009 9:24 AM EST
Obama's approval rating as of today : 46%. He is toast. The Independents are now going 35-65% against Obama and this means that the Democrat control of everything is going to be stopped. Maybe the damage can be limited.
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by hungry1968-17 November 11, 2009 9:41 AM EST
The ONLY poll that has him at less than 50%, is the Fox News owned Rasmussen Reports.

Your credibility wouldn't be so destroyed, if you would just stop lying all of the time.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_obama_job_approval-1044.html
by crikeytx46 November 11, 2009 6:25 AM EST
Again...Abortion was made LEGAL by the Supreme Court in Roe VS. Wade...

The argument here is who pays for it on the government plan.

The people as a whole should not foot the bill thru the Gov. Plan.
If a person wants an abortion they should pay for it themselves.

There still is CHOICE....If you want an abortion, it's not against the law of the land. You can electively CHOOSE to abort, but at the same time YOU PAY FOR IT OUT OF YOUR OWN POCKET.

Now....DO you all understand?
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by crikeytx46 November 11, 2009 6:32 AM EST
By the way...Your mother was PRO-LIFE!!! Think about it!!!
by slownewsday-05 November 11, 2009 9:37 AM EST
My mother is pro-choice.

And "pro-life" isn't really an accurate label. How about "pro-birth"?
by slownewsday-05 November 11, 2009 9:45 AM EST
My mother is pro-choice.

And "pro-life" isn't really an accurate label. How about "pro-birth"?
by crikeytx46 November 11, 2009 1:55 PM EST
Ok...Pro Choice....she chose LIFE!!!!!! I bet you still can't stand that fact!!!!
by us_1776 November 10, 2009 8:47 PM EST
The Catholic Church needs to stop trying to interfere in a woman's right to choose.

And if it is so interested in preserving 'life' then it should work to stop all wars around the world. In the past hundred years war has claimed hundreds of millions of lives.

And if it is so interested in preserving 'life' then it should be working 24x7 to end poverty and malaria. Malaria kills tens of millions of people every single year in a slow agonizing death.

And before it judges anyone else, it needs to clean its own house of all the child-molesters and deviants that it hides
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by ubrew12 November 10, 2009 9:19 PM EST
To your point:

40 years ago, non-Catholic Taiwan had 30 million people.
40 years ago, Catholic Philippines had 30 million people.

Today: Taiwan has 30 million people. The Philippines has 100 million people.

What part of 'you are fvcked' does the Catholic Church not understand? (regarding the filipinos). The Philippines could barely feed 30 million people, 40 years ago.

I think the Catholic stand against abortion is killing the already born. It kills them slowly, painfully, and in the worst possible torture you could concoct against another human being: it kills them by starving them to death. If you've ever seen someone starving to death (I have) you'll know what I mean. I would kill a trillion fetuses the size of a kidney bean (3 months in the womb) to prevent my seeing one more child starving to death. But the Catholic Church thinks differently.
by Chon75 November 10, 2009 10:03 PM EST
I didn't know the Catholic Church had the power to stop wars, poverty and Malaria. They must be making billions in profits for allowing all this to happen. Also, the church should allow abortion especially if you save the environment, protect the trees and support PETA...Do I have my priorities straight???
by us_1776 November 10, 2009 10:34 PM EST
Chon75, More lives are lost by the Catholic Church's abortion doctrine than by all the abortions that were ever performed or ever contemplated. And those deaths are slow, agonizing deaths, of children, young mothers. Before you make snide comments you should go educate yourself about the whole truth of the impact of these arcane church doctrines.
by Chon75 November 11, 2009 12:16 AM EST
Wow more lives were lost by the Catholic Church's abortion doctrine than by all the abortions that were ever performed or EVER CONTEMPLATED....I've thought of 3 since as I wrote this
by ubrew12 November 11, 2009 12:35 AM EST
Chon75 said: "Wow more lives were lost by the Catholic Church's abortion doctrine than by all the abortions that were ever performed"

It depends on what you refer to as 'lives'. I consider children already born to be fully invested in life and all its possibilities and deserving of more than a 12 hr work shift with starvation being the cost of non-compliance, but perhaps you disagree.

Catholic Priests are really good at telling other people not to have s*x, unless they're little boys. Its time for a more realistic approach, and abortion is, regrettably, a part of it. Time and time again, countries that shun abortion end up killing their children by degrees. I don't know why that is or how to change it, I just know that its harsh to watch kids, fully invested in life, starve to death. Funny, the abortion opponents never seem for cough up those photos.
by YrStillWrong November 10, 2009 7:53 PM EST
The US Constitution sets forth the requirements for creating new legislation. One of the requirements is compromise; it protects the minority from the majority. Given the disgust most Liberals feel for GWB'S brand of Conservatism, I wonder if most Liberal voters would be willing to similarily suspend the US Constitution in order to get the society they want and need? The health care bill is a good place to start.
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by jimbom121 November 11, 2009 11:10 AM EST
Compromise??? You may want to tell that to the GOP, who just decided to sit this and every other legislative issue out.
by YourVeryWrong November 11, 2009 1:07 PM EST
Both sides play the legislative game. It's the outsiders who rant in the park.
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