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November 3, 2009 7:45 AM

Schieffer: Hard Right Driving the GOP Train

While some analysts may look at today's off-year elections as a measure of President Obama's ability to influence voters and push through his agenda, CBS News chief Washington correspondent Bob Schieffer believes the real significance of the outcomes of today's races will be a measure of divisions within the Republican Party.

The landscape in two key Governor's races, in Virginia and New Jersey, is very different, and the lessons learned from each quite dissimilar.

In New Jersey, incumbent Democratic Gov. Jon Corzine is neck-and-neck with his GOP challenger, Chris Christie, with Chris Daggett and several other Independent candidates rounding out the field. Daggett may draw enough votes from either of the front-runners to affect the outcome.

In Virginia, Republican Bob McDonnell is leading Democratic candidate R. Creigh Deeds by double-digits in the fight to replace Democratic Governor Tim Kaine (who is term-limited out).

In both states (which went Democratic in the presidential election), Mr. Obama has campaigned vigorously of late. But Schieffer does not think the outcome will much reflect the president's popularity.

"Well, I think in New Jersey where it is very, very close, Jon Corzine, who is the very wealthy governor — he comes from Wall Street, of course, before he got into politics — he's running about dead-even. I think there, if Corzine does pull out a victory, it's not going to be so much because Barack Obama came there to campaign for him. It's going to be because he, again, poured a lot of his enormous wealth into negative campaign ads against his opponent. If he wins, that will be the difference this time around.

"In Virginia, a much different case. There the Republican has opened up a very wide lead on the Democrat. In this case, Obama did come to Virginia. Of course he carried Virginia the last time, the first Democrat to do that since LBJ.

"But the Democratic candidate there comes from a rural area, and he never really connected with the African-American vote and some of the people from the urban centers and in northern Virginia [who] carried Obama to victory there. I think it's going to be a surprise if the Democrat pulls it out there.

"But I think these are curtain raisers. I don't think they'll give us much of an indication what will happen in the next presidential election. They'll just give us a snapshot of what's going on right now in two very different states."

CBS "Early Show" anchor Harry Smith suggested that despite some people's contention that the results will measure the length of President Obama's coat tails — long or short? — these two races are being very much decided on an individual, local basis.

But then there's New York Congressional District 23, a different kettle of fish, where Republican candidate Dierdre Scozzafava, a moderate, bowed out after GOP conservatives threw their support to Conservative Party candidate Doug Hoffmann. [The election is to fill a House seat vacated by another moderate Republican, John McHugh, named by the president to become Secretary of the Army.]

"This notion that an insurgent conservative, orthodox conservative, would come in and really unseat the party's choice for nominee there, and have a shot . . . is this a precursor of what may be happening a year from now?" Smith asked.

"I think what it is, is a snapshot of where the Republican Party is right now," Schieffer said. "The Republican Party right now is still split. And I think right now it's the conservatives who kind of have the juice. I mean, they came in there and just pushed out the Republican candidate. You had a lot of out-of-state Republicans that came in and endorsed the Conservative candidate who was on the ballot and forced the Republican to withdraw from the race.

"What this tells you is, as there is still no overriding philosophy as it were in the Republican party, you've got the hard right here and you've got the more moderate Republicans, right now I think the hard right is driving the train in the Republican Party. And I think this is the snapshot of where all that is right now, a very interesting development there."

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by ikeziskash November 4, 2009 8:14 AM EST
What exactly , policy wise, do you Obama supporters on this board consider to be an extreme position on the economy? Not supporting socialism? What is your limit on where the government should NOT be involved? I am very serious. Do you have an answer?
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by ikeziskash November 4, 2009 8:09 AM EST
Bob Schieffer,
A hard left ideologue like you can't tell the difference between hard right and middle of the road because you live in a world surrounded by naybobbing liberal smug elites. Get out of your cocoon Bob. There is nothing extreme about the largest demographic of the country you fool.
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by faceofus November 3, 2009 11:53 PM EST
Schieffer's liberal slip is showing as he rationalizes today's elections. A little like Gibbs's "naval gazing" perhaps?
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by mwenzel November 3, 2009 7:15 PM EST
It's interesting that the media goes out of their way to label Scozzafave a "moderate." Will someone explain to me how a candidate who is pro card check, pro gay marriage, pro abortion, pro bailout, is endorsed by the SEIU, and has ties to ACORN is a moderate? There is already a party that believes in these ideas it's called the Democrats. Of course there is room for moderates in the GOP, but there is not room for someone who disagrees with the base on every single important issue.
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by jaydee102 November 3, 2009 5:55 PM EST
"The far left is currently running the country. This is a disaster. This is why the far right is galvenized and will bring the center into the fray to defeat the far leftist policies of this "UnHoly Trinity" - Pelosi, Reid and Obama"

Alright, class: eyes front, and pay attention. Because statements like the one above are so distresssing and disturbing to we students of American history, this special class session has been called. Do any of you remember the "bail out" that was designed and begun by the GOP under the Bush administration? No? Well .... sigh ... your teacher recognizes your short memories and attention spans, and will explain. A while ago, the feds took billions and billions of YOUR tax money, and gave it to banks and corporations who were collapsing due to their own corruption, fraud, and malfeasance. That money - your money - was given to them NO STRINGS ATTACHED. Now - pay attention Laser Booger - IF the US were a Communist nation the feds would have completely controlled that process, telling the corps and banks what they could and could not do with that money, down to the last detail. They didn't. IF the US were a Socialist nation, the feds would have dictated the money be spent to maximise public benefit. They didn't. They gave that money - YOUR money - with NO CONTROLS and NO strings attached - so the banks and corps, naturally, "gave" it to themselves in bonuses. Historians agree that only one political system describes such govt/corporate alliance - that term is FASCISM, a hard-right ideology. The whole mess happened because, for thirty years or so, the right-wing GOP had benn busily gutting anti-trust laws, anti-fraud laws, and regulations set up by WE THE PEOPLE in response to the last time this happened, known as "the Great Depression". A gov that guts anti-monopoly laws, crushes voter control, and prevents the citizens of a democracy from regulating corporations (as the Congress is CHARGED WITH DOING in the Constitution) is correctly described as .... a FASCIST govt - a hard-right ideology. None of this is a surprise, since most Americans agree that lobbyists now control the legislative process, even writing and submitting legislation to be passed ... which can ONLY happen in a govt which historians term ... FASCIST, a hard-right ideology. Bonus info, "just for laughs": guess who Adolph Hitler, hisotrians' favorite candidate for "All Time King of the Fascsists" demonized more than any other group in his speeches? Anyone? Laser Booger? Right! It was "Liberals" whom Hitler said were the worst threat to Germany! Your assignment is to LOOK UP those speeches by Hitler, read and learn just how horrifically misled you are.

Dear God, PLEASE, read some history books! Laser, your ignorance is a direct threat to your country!!!!!!!
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by hungry1968-17 November 3, 2009 3:20 PM EST
by charles123456789075 November 3, 2009 2:23 PM EST
The far left is currently running the country. This is a disaster. This is why the far right is galvenized and will bring the center into the fray to defeat the far leftist policies of this "UnHoly Trinity" - Pelosi, Reid and Obama.






You think that the 8 years of Bush was somehow considered to be "successful"?
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by doc_holliday76 November 3, 2009 4:22 PM EST
by charles123456789075:
"The far left is currently running the country."
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HA!...HA!...HA!...ROTFLMFAO!!

If that was true, we'd already have single-payer universal health care, global warming legislation taxing fossil fuel emissions, all of our troops out of both Iraq and Afghanistan, and a tax on all republican'ts.

Since we don't have any of that, it seems as if "YOU LIE."
by jxknowles November 3, 2009 2:41 PM EST
Hard Right Driving the GOP Train, CRASH, BOOM, BANG, KAPUT.
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by charles123456789075 November 3, 2009 2:23 PM EST
The far left is currently running the country. This is a disaster. This is why the far right is galvenized and will bring the center into the fray to defeat the far leftist policies of this "UnHoly Trinity" - Pelosi, Reid and Obama.
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by hungry1968-17 November 3, 2009 2:22 PM EST
The "hard right" is driving the train, like the captain of the Titanic sailed his ship.

Bon Voyage!!
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by amasiaintl November 3, 2009 1:53 PM EST
I find it humorous that Obama is considered centrist by these sheeple posting here. It seems the indoctrination is working to perfection. Look into my eyes...you will see only what the tube tells you...you are getting sleepy...very sleepy. YOu guys are nuts! Obama hires Van Jones, founder of Storm a radical communist organization (Centrist) Obama hires Kevin Jennings a sympathizer of Pedophilia to run the safe schools program (Centrist) Obama hires Anita Dunn follower of Mao (Centrist) Obama hires Ron Bloom as manufacturing czar who decries the free market system as a joke (Centrist) You guys have me splitting a gut. Look into my eyes...you are getting sleepy, very sleepy.
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by doc_holliday76 November 3, 2009 4:34 PM EST
Hey -- people make mistakes all the time, so stop your holier than thou preaching.

BTW, wasn't it bernie kerik that little bush first nominated for Secretary of Homeland Security, a NYC Police Commissioner under rudy giuliani that pled guilty to two unrelated ethics violations after an investigation by the Office of the Bronx District Attorney, and was ordered to pay $221,000. A grand jury of the United States District Court for the Southern District of New York issued a 16-count indictment against kerik on November 8, 2007, alleging conspiracy, mail fraud, wire fraud and lying to the Internal Revenue Service. kerik surrendered to authorities the next day, was arraigned before Magistrate Judge George Yanthis in White Plains, New York, and pled not guilty to all charges. On October 20, 2009, his bail was revoked and he was jailed pending trial.

bernie kerik is still in jail, and will probably get a very long sentence!
by clinttexan November 3, 2009 1:10 PM EST
I jumped off the GOP train when Bush was running for office. Glad I did because it is now being taken over by the American Taliban. Mouth breathers and knuckle draggers have taken the Republican party to the edge of the cliff. I predict within a year it will go over the cliff and the few moderate Republicans left will bail out before it hits bottom.
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by rafterman1 November 3, 2009 1:08 PM EST
Wow. If there was ever proof of just hard far right the Repubs have gone, its all the wingnuts who think that moderate centrists like Obama and Hillary are left wing "extremists". LOL.

Yes, I know that to conservatives, "black" and "strong woman" equal "extremist". But you all better get over it. You are going to see a lot more of these types getting into office over the next few years.
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by kenhamlett November 3, 2009 12:20 PM EST
Odd year elections are a matter of who gets the vote out. While Obama might provide some motivation to get people to the polls, I doubt it will make much difference either way. Many local elections are measured in hundreds of total votes and that means it is totally a matter of showing up if you want a candidate to win. Obama can not influence that.
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by SeaofBS November 3, 2009 11:49 AM EST
"Hard right"? Hey Biased Bob, did you ever do a story on the Loony Left taking over the Democrat Party last election? No wonder you guys keep losing audience share.
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by Biggest_Rick November 3, 2009 11:27 AM EST
In an earlier post I mentioned CBS's reporting of global warming as an example of the leftward tilt of the stories reported. Someone replied that global warming is "settled science". Unfortunately, that is just not true, a lot of scientists disagree with man made Global Warming. It is predictable the cliche's and slogans that people throw when they are challenged on something they are uninformed on. Dr. Roy Spencer a NASA climate physicist has several articles out that dispute man made global warming. If you mention Fox News, more cliches about them being a propaganda arm of the republican party because some liberal heard the Obama administration try to make the claim. Perhaps then CBS is fullfilling the propaganda needs of the Democrat party with how they report their stories.
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by doctor_know November 3, 2009 11:49 AM EST
I disagree. The fine details of global warming may be disputed, but scientists almost unanimously agree that it is a real problem worthy of action. I am a scientist and I would agree with the notion that the basic premise of man-made climate change is 'settled science'.
by doc_holliday76 November 3, 2009 4:52 PM EST
by Biggest_Rick:
"Dr. Roy Spencer a NASA climate physicist has several articles out that dispute man made global warming."
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You might want to check out the good doctor's own webpage here, where he shows the latest global temperature anomaly as late as September 2009, which is +0.42 deg. C., showing after a dip in 2008, that we have returned to the same highs of 2003, 2004, 2005 & 2006 -- with only 2007 a bit higher -- but still an overall WARMING TREND after smoothing!

http://www.drroyspencer.com/latest-global-temperatures/
by chitown639 November 3, 2009 9:50 AM EST
Regarding the Republican Party...."The Inmates Are Running the Asylum"!!!

The extremists or Purist Republicans are running the show within the GOP. There is no room in the Republican Party for difference of opinion or disagreement. To be a Republican these days you have to agree with Rush Limbuagh and Glen Beck 100% on every issue or Rush will have you removed from the party. Rush Limbuagh is like the emperor or dictator of the GOP....
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by SoScrewMe November 3, 2009 9:45 AM EST
Why is it we never hear anything about moderate democrats, compromising with republicans, on the usual alphabetized broadcast networks, the newspapers of wreckord ? New York Times and Washington Post - nor on these bulletin boards? Oh yeah, that?s right, because they are referred to as ?blue dogs? and vilified by the LEFT as nothing more than closet republicans.

Pot, meet kettle.

The only thing found in the middle of the road are dead armadillos and only dead fish go with the flow.
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by doc_holliday76 November 3, 2009 11:35 AM EST
by SoScrewMe:
"Why is it we never hear anything about moderate democrats....as nothing more than closet republicans"

"The only thing found in the middle of the road are dead armadillos..."
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Actually, we've heard nothing except the compromise with the "blue dogs" during all the recent months of health care reform, but maybe FAUX NoNooz says it quite differently with their usual spin. They really are closet republican'ts from RED states trying to act like part of the GOP WAR.

FACT is, the majority of Americans are moderate, middle of the road voters, and quite disgusted by either far-left or far-right candidates. The current UNcivil WAR by the GOP being dragged to the far-right by constipated conservitard teabaggers and libertarians, certainly will not solve any of America's many current problems, and only serve to divide our nation even further.
by doc_holliday76 November 3, 2009 9:25 AM EST
This is an UNcivil WAR over ideology for control of the GOP, where the far-rightwing fringe teabaggers are taking control of the party over any moderate republican't ideology. Expect many attacks and challenges in 2010 from the far-right conservitards promoting candidates of ideological purity against moderate republican'ts.
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by nomostew November 3, 2009 9:02 AM EST
Here's the difference. The idea that the hard right is driving the Republican train is plain fact, touted by the people doing the driving as their aim. The idea that the hard left is driving the Democratic train is a fiction made up by Republicans that nobody on the left really believes to be true. Most of what Obama is doing is still following Bush policies. Health care reform, the only difference, is in general a no-brainer, the obvious choice that every other Western nation has made, and a great economic boon that will help small businesses more than anyone. Even there, Obama is being centrist; if the hard left were driving the train, we'd be talking single-payer instead. Once again, the illusion of "hard left" activity is a right-wing myth - just like the supposedly "liberal" press, owned by big businesses that duly report all these myths as if they had any substance.
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by Biggest_Rick November 3, 2009 8:57 AM EST
Funny how we never hear any stories about the far left running the Democrats. But we hear about the "Hard Right". Why is that? Only 20% of the country identifies with the term liberal. I dare say that 10% of that 20% are the far left, but they are running the show in Congress right now and make up a good portion of the current administration. Only Fox News talks about this and they are villified by the White House. I'm not sure Fox is as much right wing as the rest of the media is left wing and it just makes Fox look right by comparison. Look at this story or the stories about climate change. They are all tilted to a pretty far left perspective. News should be as much as possible a neutral reporting of the facts, while editorials can be anything as long as they don't pretend to be news.
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by BeckieBest November 3, 2009 9:06 AM EST
That's because Obama's leading from the middle.

Fox is nothing more than the propaganda wing of the far right Republican party.

Global warming isn't a political football, it's a scientific reality. In fact, the scientific debate ended on global warming ended long ago.
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