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July 9, 2009 6:37 PM

The Dicey Politics of a Second Stimulus

(CBS/ AP)
Since President Obama signed the $787 billion stimulus package in February, more than two million jobs have been lost and unemployment has hit its highest rate in a quarter century, 9.5 percent.

For Republicans, who have been seeking a message that will help the party regain some momentum, that's the sort of bad news that comes with a silver lining. Members of the GOP have been harshly attacking the opposition party as wasteful spenders whose expensive programs have had little positive impact.

"The administration promised the stimulus would keep unemployment below 8 percent, and they promised the stimulus would create jobs immediately," House Minority leader John Boehner said Thursday. (Officials actually predicted it would stay below 8.5 percent.)

"It's pretty clear now that the administration was wrong. The bottom line is this: The stimulus isn't creating enough jobs," Boehner said.

Defenders of the stimulus package say the situation would have been even worse without the legislation – and they note that nearly 90 percent of the stimulus money has not yet been spent. (The latter fact cuts both ways, of course: Stimulus defenders can point to it as evidence that the bill should be given more time to work, while critics can raise questions about why the money hasn't gone out faster.)

The Obama administration has dispatched Vice President Joe Biden to try to convince Americans that the stimulus is indeed making a difference. On Thursday, he went to Ohio and upstate New York to say he sees its impact everywhere he goes.

(AP)
"Communities being rebuilt, factories being reopened, workers rehired — teachers in their classrooms, cops on the streets, families better able to live a quality life," he said in New York.

But voters are skeptical. In that crucial swing state of Ohio, one poll has puts the president's approval rating below 50 percent. And an important voting bloc appears to be shying away from the president – independents, who, Politico reports, "seem to be responding to Republican complaints of excessive spending and government control."

Republicans are stoking those complaints with web ads like this one from Thursday, which argues that stimulus funds have been "squandered on fraud and wasteful spending" instead of job creation.

Meanwhile, members of the media have also begun targeting stimulus spending: The New York Times noted that money has disproportionately gone to rural areas, while USA Today notes that the money has "gone overwhelmingly to places that supported President Obama in last year's presidential election."

And yet all this is just the beginning of the stimulus-related headaches for the administration: Questions are now being raised about whether a second stimulus is needed. Legendary investor Warren Buffett said Thursday he believes one "may well be called for," arguing that the first one "was sort of like taking half a tablet of Viagra and having also a bunch of candy mixed in."

Members of the administration, meanwhile, have been offering mixed signals; Biden said on Sunday officials had "misread the economy," while Lawrence Summers told the Times Wednesday that the stimulus is "on track."

According to the Financial Times, "senior administration officials think further stimulus might eventually be needed but they do not want to have this fight now." The FT reports that the officials want to wait until "late this year or early in 2010" to make a decision.

But 2010, of course, is the year of the next midterm elections – and it looks increasingly as though the stimulus bill will be a central topic of debate. Republicans, led by Boehner, have crafted a united and critical message – the minority leader said Thursday that "we don't need another stimulus...we need politicians to stop passing misguided laws and regulations that destroy jobs, eliminate opportunity and reduce freedom."

(AP)
But Congressional Democrats are still trying to figure out how to play the politics of the issue. They know it could help the country get out of a recession, even if it means increasing an already bloated deficit. But they also know it could help Boehner and his colleagues label them irresponsible free spenders, paving the way for Republican gains in Congress. (Heck, it may well do both.)

Their strategy so far? To say that it's simply too early to make a decision.

"People in the House and Senate and most of the public is thinking…let's see how this stimulus is working," Ohio Democratic Sen. Sherrod Brown told National Public Radio Thursday. "Once more money is in the pipeline, especially in the next couple of quarters, then we will reassess. But I don't think you make a decision on a stimulus yet when this one has not played even 50 percent out yet. You can't really make a decision I don't think on what you do yet on a big public investment."

"The question is always open as to what the administration may recommend to us, but right now I believe that we have much more to gain from -- from seeing through the first stimulus," House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said at a press conference Thursday, adding: "We have to be very careful about the spending on this."

But if the employment numbers don't turn around, House and Senate Democrats may be forced into taking a stronger position. In recent months there have been some positive indicators in the economy, and, as the administration is quick to point out, recovery in the jobs market often lags behind an economic recovery overall. But most economists expect unemployment to hit the 10 percent mark before it goes down, giving the GOP a powerful talking point as it crafts a strategy to take back at least some of the power it lost in the last two election cycles.
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by wheeljc July 10, 2009 4:22 PM EDT
Prior to Team Obama-Geithner deciding to become Corporate Titans, over 83% of the non farm/government jobs were in companies with 500 or fewer employees -- SMALL BUSINESSES. THIS IS WHERE THE WORK IS!! Why do they continue to throw money at the small fraction of big business, except to appease the unions (a very small percentage of the real work force)??

When will they come to their senses (if that is even possible) that to put America back to work, they must provide encouragement and incentives for small businesses -- NOT TAX THE COMPANIES OUT OF EXISTENCE!

Even with GM, part of their announcement of July 10 was ADDITIONAL lost jobs!! Is that what our bail out money went for?? The problems we have today lay at the feet of Obama, Geithner, Pelosi and Reid. Come 2010 and 2012, this is going to be remembered! God forbid these business novices trying to run another 'stimulus' through. They could cause a tipping point of the population that they have not anticipated!

I feel that we have stacked the White House with a group that is so far removed from reality that they CANNOT SEE THE FOREST FOR THE TREES -- INCLUDING A CZAR A DAY! Just how bad is it going to have to get before someone will step forward and tell the emperor that HE NOT ONLY HAS NO CLOTHES ON, BUT HE DOES NOT HAVE ANY CLOTHES???

If Obamanomics are so great, why are so many other countries looking for an alternative to the US dollar as a standard?

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aR7yfqUwTb4M


This is getting sadder every day.
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by caddillackid1 July 10, 2009 1:47 PM EDT
I have been laid off from not 1, not 2 but 3 jobs in one year! The final layoff was on December 9th, 2008....weeks before Obama even took the oath of office!! I know who was sitting in that oval office during layoffs 1, 2 and 3...it was not Obama.
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by Aldymac July 10, 2009 4:01 PM EDT
From '95-97' Clinton's bed partners, Freddy and Fanny, were concocting a plan with Clinton. That plan was set in motion and in '98' a financial advisor wrote a book about what he thought would happen and published it in 1998, the title of that book was; "The Coming Crash of 2008". The author died in 2003 of cancer so he didn't see that he was right on, you can blame it all on Bush if you want, but it all goes right back to the party in power before Bush was even considered for the nomination for president.
by caddillackid1 July 10, 2009 1:40 PM EDT
Further more...i'm very pissed about the eight years that Bush spent getting us into this mess! If 500,000 or so of us Americans had got together then, scaled the fence of the whitehouse and dragged that basterd out of their by his A$$ onto Penn ave, and stomped him to no end...then we might not be having this discussion.....I DONT BLAME OBAMA for this mess...I BLAME BUSH! Maybe it's wishful thinking, but the secret service can't stop half million angry Americans scaling that fence...next republican that gets in, i think that should be the American peoples plan.
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by caddillackid1 July 10, 2009 1:22 PM EDT
What i recall is President Obama stating that we have to do something. I recall him saying the failure to act would be far worse than doing nothing...so he did something. I have followed this very closely and in fact jobs have been created...appx 150,000- 200,000 jobs created or saved...however with the loss of 2 million jobs over the past several months have clearly offset that. Does not mean the stimulus did not have an effect. It means the train called the US economy is still plunging on it's track toward a downward spiral, who could have predicted it would be this steep. The first stimulus was designed to put the brakes on the train's downward spiral...we know this by the verbage used by the whitehouse when it created the plan to CREATE or SAVE a certain number of jobs. My question to all those who are critical of our president is, Who can stop a speeding train? Much like an actual train, you can press the breaks but that train is not going to stop on a dime. I think this is what we are seeing with the US economy (without the benefit of an odometer to tell the speed of a decline or muchless when it will actually stop. I cringe when i see a republican, let alone hearing one speak about how the stimulus is not working or harking about how this baby administration, barely six months into a four year term has failed! I think we'll need another three and a half years before we can fairly deem this administration a failure. Let is not forget that it was 8 YEARS OF REBULICAN LEADERSHIP THAT GOT US INTO THIS MESS, got that economic train rolling toward disaster in the first place, headed by a man without a brain needless to say a plan...namely (Bush). So the republicans and all the nay-sayers have an approximate 6 month track record to based their opinions of our democratic president on, but the rest of us have 8 years of cold hard facts, screw ups, lies and deceit to based ours on.

I also recall another leader that served 8 years in office by the name of Bill Clinton who happened to leave the country with a surplus when he left office. So you put 8 years of democratic leadership next to eight years of failed repulican leadership...now we have a real level playing field to judge on. Who or what party is the real failure? The repulicans that's who!...and it does not take a rocket scientist to see it.

I'll say what Obama can't to republicans and all the other nay-sayers...if your not part of the solution then you are part of the problem...so lead (failed at that already), follow, or shut up and sit down...your show is over, so just say goodbye!!

And as for those that mentioned they are scared for their children...you were not scared when you laid up and conceived them...you should not have had them or you should have used birth control!! Using children to make your lame points stronger does not have an good effect and gets no sympathy here!!! Deal with it!
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by caddillackid1 July 10, 2009 1:20 PM EDT
What i recall is President Obama stating that we have to do something. I recall him saying the failure to act would be far worse than doing nothing...so he did something. I have followed this very closely and in fact jobs have been created...appx 150,000- 200,000 jobs created or saved...however with the loss of 2 million jobs over the past several months have clearly offset that. Does not mean the stimulus did not have an effect. It means the train called the US economy is still plunging on it's track toward a downward spiral, who could have predicted it would be this steep. The first stimulus was designed to put the brakes on the train's downward spiral...we know this by the verbage used by the whitehouse when it created the plan to CREATE or SAVE a certain number of jobs. My question to all those who are critical of our president is, Who can stop a speeding train? Much like an actual train, you can press the breaks but that train is not going to stop on a dime. I think this is what we are seeing with the US economy (without the benefit of an odometer to tell the speed of a decline or muchless when it will actually stop. I cringe when i see a republican, let alone hearing one speak about how the stimulus is not working or harking about how this baby administration, barely six months into a four year term has failed! I think we'll need another three and a half years before we can fairly deem this administration a failure. Let is not forget that it was 8 YEARS OF REBULICAN LEADERSHIP THAT GOT US INTO THIS MESS, got that economic train rolling toward disaster in the first place, headed by a man without a brain needless to say a plan...namely (Bush). So the republicans and all the nay-sayers have an approximate 6 month track record to based their opinions of our democratic president on, but the rest of us have 8 years of cold hard facts, screw ups, lies and deceit to based ours on.

I also recall another leader that served 8 years in office by the name of Bill Clinton who happened to leave the country with a surplus when he left office. So you put 8 years of democratic leadership next to eight years of failed repulican leadership...now we have a real level playing field to judge on. Who or what party is the real failure? The repulicans that's who!...and it does not take a rocket scientist to see it.

I'll say what Obama can't to republicans and all the other nay-sayers...if your not part of the solution then you are part of the problem...so lead (failed at that already), follow, or shut up and sit down...your show is over, so just say goodbye!!

And as for those that mentioned they are scared for their children...you were not scared when you laid up and conceived them...you should not have had them or you should have used birth control!! Using children to make your lame points stronger does not have an good effect and gets no sympathy here!!! Deal with it!
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by wheeljc July 10, 2009 12:57 PM EDT
Prior to Team Obama-Geithner deciding to become Corporate Titans, over 83% of the non farm/government jobs were in companies with 500 or fewer employees -- SMALL BUSINESSES. THIS IS WHERE THE WORK IS!! Why do they continue to throw money at the small fraction of big business, except to appease the unions (a very small percentage of the real work force)??

When will the come to their senses (if that is even possible) that to put America back to work, they must provide encouragement and incentives for small businesses -- NOT TAX THE COMPANIES OUT OF EXISTENCE!

Even with GM, part of their announcement today was 4,000 lost jobs!! Is that what our bail out money went for?? The problems we have today lay at the feet of Obama, Geithner, Pelosi and Reid. Come 2010 and 2012, this is going to be remembered!

God forbid these business novices trying to run another 'stimulus' through. They could cause a tipping point of the population that they have not anticipated!

I feel that we have stacked the White House with a group that is so far removed from reality that they CANNOT SEE THE FOREST FOR THE TREES -- INCLUDING A CZAR A DAY! Just how bad is it going to have to get before someone will step forward and tell the emperor that HE NOT ONLY HAS NO CLOTHES ON, BUT HE DOES NOT HAVE ANY CLOTHES???

This is getting sadder every day.
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by Aldymac July 10, 2009 10:19 AM EDT
Einstein once said; "You can't solve a problem when you use the same kind of thinking that caused the problem in the first place".
The libs on here say that Bush caused the problems we now have because he spent a lot of money, well, correct me if i'm wrong, but, isn't spending even more money what the democrats want to do?
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by speakinup22 July 10, 2009 1:42 PM EDT
EXCELLENT observation.
by GiveMeFreedom July 10, 2009 9:41 AM EDT
Memo to Obama, Geithner, Reid, Pelosi and all other democrats in Congress. Please, please do pass a 2nd $1-2 trillion plan and add it to the debt level. I love to watch you morons head off to China and Saudia Arabia to beg them to buy our debt. Plus then you can finally end this insanity once and for all. After you do this there will be no more money for anything. That is the only thing that can stop you idiots in DC from ruining our country anyway. So please get it over with and BK the U.S. now and let's get the new U.S. started. I do not want my kids saddled with this debt, so let's BK this country now and get it over with.
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by alien_view July 10, 2009 9:33 AM EDT
This is the end of the US as we know it. Just look at the pictures of the Obama administration and Congress. The who's who of Marxism and corruption. Everything they touch turns into a freekin disaster, including our economy and defense. Princes P and her 22 person royal staff and person airforce one aircraft. Must be nice to spend eveyone elses money, after all that can they do about it...nothing we control the house and senate and all of the peasants. Just look where we spent stimulus money..in the areas that voted or our Obama Admin. Payoff for votes, thanks American you can be bought for less than we thought.
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by jschmidt27 July 10, 2009 9:18 AM EDT
The next stimulus should give 3-5k+ to each taxpayer in a debit card so they have to spend it; a larger amount to infrastructure that the 5% in the last stimulus to rebuid cities and road; it should give incentives to business to hire like a one time tax credit of say half a new employees salary if they stay with the company for a year; it should drop the corporate tax rate to 5% for 3 years; special incentives for manufacturing businesses and tax forgiveness for offshore profits if brought back to the US. Businesses supply the long term jobs. Gov't should not. And save some money with NO PORK EARMARKS in the bill. Also fire a few czars who are appointed by Obama bypassing Senate confirmation. And get the crooked Democrat committee chairs, Dodd, Rangel , Murtha, and Frnak out of those positions.
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by speakinup22 July 10, 2009 1:41 PM EDT
I'm not sure I want to endorse a redistribution of wealth, just yet, to get the economy going.

I DEFINITLY agree on the Pork spending. ALL spending needs to be carefully examined so that it is for the top priorty purposes, not just spent on frivilous tasks to get a politician votes...

Sure - spend the money if you must, but at least fix a highway (one of Obama's better ideas), don't investigate mating habits of snakes or the like.

I'm ALL for getting rid of anyone in politics that is not a statesperson. Republican or Democrat. If they cheat on their spouse - they are out, because they will cheat on you.
by Joe_NY_15 July 10, 2009 9:02 AM EDT
Since President Obama signed the $787 billion stimulus package in February, ---more than two million jobs have been lost--- and unemployment has hit its highest rate in a quarter century, 9.5 percent.

Thanks for the Stimulation and wasteful spending
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by Joe_NY_15 July 10, 2009 9:33 AM EDT
charlie/donnie/william/whatever,

It says "Since" Obama signed the stimulus, not before....is everything and every mistake and wasteful spending by Obama going to be blamed on Bush ? how intellectually vacant
by speakinup22 July 10, 2009 1:35 PM EDT
You are so right. We HAD to have the 787 Billion spending ASAP otherwise in 2010 we were going to have 9% unemployed.

Uh, barry - it's 2009 and we've got 9.5% unemployed. You shoplifted the pootie, prez. IT is MUCH better to think things out and do them right than act rashly with limited resources.

Take careful aim and squeeze off that last round at the charging lion, don't panic and shoot wildly hoping to hit it.
by beaumuff July 10, 2009 7:15 AM EDT
I thought I saw that picture hanging down at the post office.
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by BlockbusterGirl July 10, 2009 5:32 AM EDT
As the saying goes OBAMA (One Big A** Mistake, America). All the democrats and black people thought that electing Obama was going to fix all of their little problems. Well, SURPRISE! Has the employment rate of black people gone up? Nope. But that's not nessicarily Obama's fault. But he sure hasn't made anything better for anyone. We should have stuck with Republican. It's just that all the democrats and liberals actually got off of their lazy butts and went vote for the man who is "different." Good job kids!
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by demongirl60 July 10, 2009 5:30 AM EDT
I have to agree with what Jimbo_delux said! Instead of giving money to the ALREADY WEALTHY Why don't they just give each American adult 21 yrs and older a check for $100,000.00 ( one hundered thousand ) dollars? That way people COULD, say, catch up on or PAY OFF their mortgages or get a new car if needed OR pay off their credit card bills.... ( Tough luck for the credit card companies! ) People could do a LOT of thing with that money instead of the LAZY WEALTHY CEO'S pocketing it and walking! Something to consider, huh??
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by beaumuff July 10, 2009 5:06 AM EDT
Where was poor ole foot in his mouth Joe's head at when he told that lie? What factories are opening up and where are people going back to work? He must of not seen that we lost another 565 thusand jobs last month.
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by gunndee3 July 10, 2009 2:07 AM EDT
The former red states that went blue last Fall are swinging back red.
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by Aldymac July 10, 2009 10:11 AM EDT
It's called "voter remorse".
by speakinup22 July 10, 2009 1:30 PM EDT
I like to believe it is more like, realizing that we made a huge mistake when fed a bill of good by the media, aldymac.

buyers remorse, which you have borrowed the term from, implies a temporary feeling - that there is going to be a possible positive outcome to the overall situation.

If Obama continues to spend on needless plans, telling us that he's got savings in areas to cover the expendture, when in fact it simply isn't true... there will only be inflation on top of the current economic problem. It would seem our "educated" President learned nothing from history.
by spaceatoms July 10, 2009 1:00 AM EDT
the bottom line is its now not politics or business but "polibus" which is the combination of politics and business. The United Stats is deeply in trouble for several reasons. First, there simply isn't enough to go around and no bailout is going to solve that problem; someone has to be poor, but it doesn't mean they have to be hungry, this isn't Africa. Secondly, the fascination with green needs to come to an end; we are living like its a war out there and allowing people like Madoff, Enron, and corporate bullies to ruin other peoples lives and destroy the economy for a few selfish people. Third, its this honesty factor that we voted for Obama and it made FDR great. Obama is still getting his chain pulled by corporate politics and hasn't stopped the war and can always blame everything on Bush still, its this idealism that will be his downfall. Fourth, stop trying to equalize everything, we are not all equal and its not socialism. As I said before, its one thing to be poor, but its another to be sick and hungry. The globalization has put a dent in the economy and must be slowed drastically; I don't understand the need for China to own our country, thats just ridiculous thinking on every level. Another bailout will only feed the investors more, america needs to get back to savings and drop the investing hype, the 90's are over so stop hanging onto a dream.
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by rushlimpdrug July 10, 2009 12:30 AM EDT
do it again till it works.
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by twbeat July 10, 2009 12:25 AM EDT
Are we getting to socialistic, aka, communistic?
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