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May 27, 2009 5:40 PM

Gun Rights Groups Are Wary Of Sotomayor

(AP)


Second Amendment advocates are responding warily to President Obama's nomination of Judge Sonia Sotomayor to the U.S. Supreme Court.

Alan Gottlieb, chairman of the Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms, said on Wednesday that "Judge Sotomayor's position on the Second Amendment is a clear signal that Mr. Obama's claim that he supports gun rights is nothing but lip service."

Dave Kopel of the free-market Independence Institute predicts that "Judge Sotomayor's record suggests hostility, rather than empathy, for the tens of millions of Americans who exercise their right to keep and bear arms." And Ken Blackwell of the Family Research Council believes her nomination amounts to "a declaration of war against America's gun owners."

The difficulty in evaluating Sotomayor's views on the Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms is the lack of definitive statements. No old law review articles advocating a Scalia-esque originalist approach have been unearthed; no speeches to the Brady Campaign calling for nationwide gun confiscation have surfaced.

A handful of Sotomayor's Second Circuit decisions, however, have.

In a 2004 criminal case, U.S. v. Sanchez-Villar, a three-judge panel that included Sotomayor wrote that "the right to possess a gun is clearly not a fundamental right."

Another case involved a fellow named James Maloney who was arrested in Port Washington, N.Y. for possessing a nunchaku -- typically sticks connected by rope or chain -- in his home. Maloney claimed that the Second Amendment rendered the state law banning nunchakus unconstitutional.

A three-judge panel including Sotomayor unanimously rejected his claim in January 2009, ruling that the Second Amendment "imposes a limitation on only federal, not state, legislative efforts." All members of the panel agreed with this sentiment, but because the opinion was unsigned, it's not clear who wrote it.

The trouble with that line of reasoning is that it relies on a 1886 case called Presser v. Illinois, which did in fact say the Second Amendment "is a limitation only upon the power of Congress and the national government, and not upon that of the state." But that was before a long line of subsequent U.S. Supreme Court rulings that applied the Bill of Rights to state governments; the concept is known as the "incorporation doctrine."

(And, besides, even in Presser, the Supreme Court went out of its way to note "the states cannot, even laying the constitutional provision in question out of view, prohibit the people from keeping and bearing arms.")

That has left gun rights advocates feeling a bit like the decision from Sotomayor's panel this year cherry-picked cases to reach a desired result -- instead of trying to interpret the law fairly. "The Sotomayor per curiam opinion ignores Due Process incorporation, even though any serious analysis of whether the Fourteenth Amendment makes the Second Amendment enforceable against the states would have to address the issue," Kopel says.

By contrast, the Ninth Circuit, by some counts the most liberal in the nation, ruled in April that the Second Amendment does apply to state laws. Meanwhile, Maloney, the defendant in the New York case, is appealing his loss to the U.S. Supreme Court, and the Seventh Circuit heard oral arguments this week in a related case.

Something with a name like "incorporation doctrine" may sound like an obscure topic only a law professor could love, but it's really not. These disputes will decide whether or not states and municipalities can legally disarm their residents, or whether the Second Amendment right the Supreme Court recognized last year in D.C. v. Heller applies to state and federal laws equally.

In some sense, if Sotomayor holds the same views as the man she's been selected to succeed -- retiring justice David Souter -- not much will change in terms of Second Amendment jurisprudence. Souter disagreed with Heller's 5-4 majority opinion, signing on to a dissent that said: "The majority's decision threatens severely to limit the ability of more knowledgeable, democratically elected officials to deal with gun-related problems."

But based on Candidate Obama's remarks last year, gun owners may have hoped for more. Mr. Obama's campaign platform said he "believes the Second Amendment creates an individual right, and he respects the constitutional rights of Americans to bear arms."

Souter rejected the idea of the Second Amendment protecting an individual right; in her 2004 joint opinion, so did Sotomayor. During confirmation hearings, expect pro-gun senators to ask the judge if she agrees more with her predecessor or the stated views of the president who nominated her.



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by gunownerdan May 28, 2009 3:37 PM EDT
Of course Sotomayor is against the right to keep and bear arms. Since Obama can't get the democrat-controlled congress to go along with his useless gun bans, his only option now is to stack the courts with anti-gun extremists.
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by gunownerdan May 28, 2009 2:05 PM EDT
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by mattcat25 May 28, 2009 1:44 PM EDT
It simple.
If you want to take the guns away from the Americans you had better bring your own guns and lots of them.
Posted by gunownerdan at 10:21 AM : May 28, 2009

The American Civil War ended in 1865 with the Union defeating the Confederacy one hundred and forty-four years ago.

The Republican Party, NRA, and Right Wing Extremists are following (being manipulated) by propagana and fear mongering. This type of irresposible hate inflected upon our society has already seen susceptible Americans acting out in a harmful manner with their guns.
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by gunownerdan May 28, 2009 1:21 PM EDT
It simple.
If you want to take the guns away from the Americans you had better bring your own guns and lots of them.
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by mattcat25 May 28, 2009 12:48 PM EDT
It's NOT the guns, it's the culture!
Blaming inanimate objects will never solve the problems.
Posted by gunownerdan at 9:27 AM : May 28, 2009


The culture of the "Wild West", "Over throw the Tyrannical Government", and ?Declaration of War on any Foreign Influence? is from a time in history past for today's United States.

We've progressed as a society in both technology and ideology. Grasping on to a regressive culture and holding an obsessive abnormal affinity to a crude inanimate object such as a firearm beyond it's practical and rational purpose to promote a political agenda is both feudal, illogical, and detrimental.
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by gunownerdan May 28, 2009 12:27 PM EDT
it's the GUNS stupid.
Posted by scyouth

Most gun deaths are suicides.
Japan has one of the highest suicide rates in the world and they are not allowed to own any guns.
It's NOT the guns, it's the culture!
Blaming inanimate objects will never solve the problems.
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by mattcat25 May 28, 2009 11:31 AM EDT
"Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote."

and, Liberty is having the right to shoot anyone that gits yer goat!
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by saturn05 May 28, 2009 11:15 AM EDT
She is no more activist than the conservatives are on the bench. The use their personnal religious opinions as their guide which is unethical and against everything our laws stand for. So stop with that activist crap. She is more qualified than any of the sitting judges are. Gun rights right-wingers need to cool their jets. No one wants to take away gun ownership, you are using scare tactics just like the repubs do.
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by scyouth May 28, 2009 11:14 AM EDT
"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what's for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote."
- Benjamin Franklin
Posted by gunownerdan

Hey G.O.D. - good to see you back - it's been a while. I always enjoy trading barbs with you on this subject, you're so much more of an intellectual than some of your brethren. We're still 180 apart on this subject, but, from your other posts, we have a lot in common as well. Welcome back.
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by scyouth May 28, 2009 11:11 AM EDT
The founding fathers were not stupid. They wrote the 2nd Amendment because there was no army in the colonies and the then greatest army/navy in the world could come back any time for a tussle. As soon as the national threat was past, the 2nd Amendment should have been rescinded a la prohibition. Nowadays gun owners are a frightened bunch. They think that the 10,000:1 chance of being a murder victim is enough to arm themselves to the teeth. Of course they're too stupid to realise that countries without the benenfit 2nd amendments average a 100,000:1 chance of being mudered, so there's very little reason for arming the peasants. BTW the difference in murder rates? - it's the GUNS stupid.
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by gunownerdan May 28, 2009 11:08 AM EDT
Gun owners represent only 20% of the population of the US. The NRA membership is only 2% of the populace. Why the hell does anyone pay so much attantion to this loud-mouthed MINORITY GROUP?
Posted by scyouth

Maybe because we have guns?
Seriosly, if you count the friends and family members of those who own guns it's safe to say well over half of the American people either lives with or knows a gun owner.
Ben Franklin said it best...
"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what's for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote."
- Benjamin Franklin
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by impeachbhb May 28, 2009 11:05 AM EDT
Beware, when you complete paperwork to buy a firearm, you will be put in a data base that will allow government to confiscate your weapons or put you in jail. You will also be given a very low status in the new socialist heirarchy. Best to buy on the black market so Obama's "volunteer security force" cannot trace you.
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by scyouth May 28, 2009 10:51 AM EDT
Gun owners represent only 20% of the population of the US. The NRA membership is only 2% of the populace. Why the hell does anyone pay so much attantion to this loud-mouthed MINORITY GROUP?
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by mattcat25 May 28, 2009 9:44 AM EDT
Activist Judges shouldn't be allowed to impede the rights of Americans to carry and conceal firearms while drinking and gambling inside a Casino!

Mega Dittos.
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by gunownerdan May 28, 2009 9:38 AM EDT
"Tyrants from Hitler to Mao to Stalin have sought to disarm their own citizens, for the simple reason that unarmed people are easier to control. Our Founders, having just expelled the British army, knew that the right to bear arms serves as the guardian of every other right. This is the principle so often ignored by both sides in the gun control debate. Only armed citizens can resist tyrannical government."
-- Congressman Ron Paul, June 27, 2006
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by dagrandma May 28, 2009 9:09 AM EDT
Once again, there are two issues in America that we argue over constantly: gun ownership and abortion. You will never take guns out of the hands of law abiding Americans and you will never stop women from choosing to have abortions. Why don't we just quit arguing about it. It isn't going to change.
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by impeachbhb May 28, 2009 9:01 AM EDT
Who cares about the gun groups. Obama will have all weapons confiscated from individuals before the end of his first term. This will assure no major resistance to our new socialist government.
No one will need weapons in our new perfect world brought to us by the wonderful Obama administration.
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by specialty8 May 28, 2009 8:56 AM EDT
Gunownerdan,
Good post, that just about sums the whole thing up. Any of you Obamas that can argue with it apparently can't see what is around the corner.
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by picklepants7 May 28, 2009 8:37 AM EDT
one more point. if you outlaw guns, only outlaws will have guns leaving law abiding citizens defenseless.
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by picklepants7 May 28, 2009 8:34 AM EDT
hey gunownerdan,
great posts, great quotes. thanks for the common sense. dems obviouly do not know history, because they are trying to repeat it.
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