There isn't anything wrong with disciplining kids with a spanking or a slap. It's kids that are given the wussy timeouts and treated like a parent's equal that grow up with mental problems. This has been happening for decades now. When a mother bear smacks her cub for doing something wrong, the cub doesn't grow up with a mental dysfunction. It learns, which is the point of example, punishment or reward for doing something right. Nowadays, kids are rewarded for doing that which is expected of them, whether it's done right or wrong. After all, they're so special for doing a good job. Puke, puke, puke.
This garbage study didn't have any parameters. If corporal punishment is taken to an extreme, of course it will be harmful to children. To just say that spanking is not good for a kid and will lead to mental health problems smacks of more of a justificatioon for achieving a predetermined result.
I believe, however, that...in moderation...corporal punishment is one of the best things that can happen to a kid. Kids below a certain age probably shouldn't be spanked. The real problem is that most kids know that they get away with anything without being disciplined. It 's more about embarassment than inflicting pain.
The kids that I grew up with...boys and girls...all got their butts spanked when they misbehaved. In the boy scouts, we ran through a "belt line" (between two rows of kids and hit on thre butt with belts as we ran through). In elementary school, a male teacher would give you swats with a paddle if you misbehaved.
We all turned out pretty well...and we grew up to be decent adults and good people.
by erasmus111 July 2, 2012 5:06 PM EDT Today's society is pathetic. It's because the kids have lazy parents. It's because they either use too much physical discipline, or there are no consequences at all for their kid's bad behaviour. Yup, much easier to just hit them and be done with it, right?
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LMAO...my point is that if I got out of line I "suffered" the consequences, and I grew up showing respect and in my opinion I behaved. Now, look at the kids today, and young adults. Ya think YOUR way is working??? I think not. Good luck with your way...it ain't working!
"We all turned out pretty well...and we grew up to be decent adults and good people."
Well it worked for me and my family. And how do you know it doesn't work? You have to TRY it in order to know if it works. The problem is that most parents aren't using ANY discipline. They just let their kids do whatever they like and do NOTHING AT ALL. Most don't even know where their kids are, what they are doing, and don't give a crap.
You can't say that my way doesn't work if no one is USING my way. Like I said, it's easier to just give the kid a smack. They don't bother trying anything else.
In America, there is a total LACK of parenting. That's the problem.
Discipline doesn't mean beating. When disciplining children (i.e. spanking), if it's done with reserve, it does the job.
The only mental problems spanking causes are to the rest of those in society, when it's not done at all.
We have to put up with spoiled rotten children that morph into guess what? Spoiled rotten adults that can't pull their own weight and feel as if they are special and should be allowed to get away with things. It's because they never learned discipline or how to stand on their own two feet and take responsibility for their actions.
It is up to the parent to TEACH their child how to pull their own weight and to stand on their own two feet. You don't teach them that by spanking them! The only thing you are teaching them is that it's okay to hit someone if you don't like what they are doing. You teach them by SHOWING them the way, not by your hand hitting their butt, but by you showing them the way. By following your lead. If they don't end up doing so, then it is a direct result of your LACK of parenting. It has nothing to do with you spanking them.
In my childhood days almost everyone in the country disciplined their children with spanking , it was simply accepted practice. Some actually used switches made from tree limbs such as peach trees. The school principle generally used a wooden paddle. It didn't matter so much what method was used as how it was used. A very educational lesson can be delivered with a thin switch with only light red streaks across the butt while larger more damaging bruises can be caused by striking the butt too hard with an open hand. Most parents, including mine, disciplined their children out of love and rarely left any marks on the child from spanking. My wife and I raised one son and three daughters and I too sometimes spanked them when they were growing up. I very rarely had to though because they knew that I would if needed. I sometimes would warn them that they were heading for discipline but I never had to repeat the warning.
That was always a serious problem with many parents they frequently yelled at their children that they are about to be spanked, but they just keep repeating the threat instead of actually doing it.
I find it amazing that people today find corporal punishment so wrong, while being quite comfortable with executing the same children later with the electric chair or poisoned needles.
I LOVE all the mommy's & daddy's that do not disclipine their bi-products then scream "he/she is a good kid" when they get caught.....too funny, and then the morons defend themselves by saying they don't believe in this or that punishment, yet are too stupid to look at society today! Pathetic.
Today's society is pathetic. It's because the kids have lazy parents. It's because they either use too much physical discipline, or there are no consequences at all for their kid's bad behaviour. It's way easier to just hit the kid instead of using other methods. To do anything else, that would mean they would have to follow through on something. They would have to keep track of what the kid is doing. Yup, much easier to just hit them and be done with it, right?
Show me a study that does these three things: -- Separates "spanking" from "slapping" and "hitting." -- Quantifies morals, values and ethics with an objective standard. -- Measures the number of people who have no feelings of inadequacy -- whether about their intelligence, appearance, weight, height, beliefs, public speaking, skin color, etc.
I never had to spank my kids, and they are polite and well behaved. BUT, because I didn't spank my kids, that does not meant that I'm against a little whack on the butt if a kid is out of control.
As for the "time-out" thing, that's useless. You want a kid to behave? Take their favorite toys away. Stop them from doing what they like doing best. If they are teenagers, take the phone away. Take the computer away.
If a child is completely out of control, strip his/her bedroom of all toys. Everything except the furniture. When he/she starts behaving, give them back a toy. As time goes on and they continue to behave, you can start bringing back their other toys.
If you are hitting or spanking your child on a REGULAR basis, all you are teaching them is that it's okay to hit someone if you don't like something.
Kids today are completely out of control. That is because they have lousy parents. The parents are either dishing out too much physical punishment, or their kids are getting "no consequences", no discipline of any kind.
When I was a teen, my folks would take the keyboard away... I'd use charmap and the mouse to chat.
They'd take the console controllers away... I'd put together a new one from leftover parts.
The television is safe for the same reason the computer and the console were still there - where are you going to hide them in the house from your latchkey kid?
Maybe you can leave the car in the work parking lot with a flatscreen and not have it broken into... maybe.
Ahhhh yes, here is one of the LAZY parents I was talking about. Where there's a WILL, there's a WAY.
You don't just take the keyboard away, you take the whole freakin' computer away. You take away ALL those leftover parts away. You remove the t.v. from your child's room (where there shouldn't be one anyways).
"Maybe you can leave the car in the work parking lot with a flatscreen and not have it broken into... maybe."
I would be able to leave stuff in my trunk/car without that worry, but that's because of where I live. But that aside, if you don't want your kid to get something, there is a way, IF you want to find that way. How about taking it to Grandma's house. Or a friends house? It doesn't have to be forever, just until the kid understands that there are indeed CONSEQUENCES.
My point is that it's way more effort than it is worth to do the "non-lazy" punishment. For all they knew, their punishments were effective - who would expect their kid to MacGuyver a new controller together?
"...but that's because of where I live." pretty much sums it up. Most people are not going to haul a 30-50" television out of the house every week and attempt to "hide" it.
Even if they had executed it flawlessly, the lesson I would have learned is to acquire and hide alternate forms of entertainment, ie; 3DS or PS Vita were I a teen today.
"For all they knew, their punishments were effective"
If they were good parents, they would KNOW if their punishments were effective.
"Most people are not going to haul a 30-50" television out of the house every week and attempt to "hide" it."
Most televisions, today, you wouldn't need to remove. You can program them to BLOCK viewing.
"My point is that it's way more effort than it is worth to do the "non-lazy" punishment."
So what you are saying is that your child is not worth the effort? Not worth trying to keep them out of trouble? Not worth raising him/her to be a decent human being?
Dude, you're kind of a d-bag judging other people's parenting. Shame on me for not noticing your douchery when you said LAZY in caps.. God, you think it's lazy parents, but it is you that is wrong with this world.
Just reading your comments lets people know what a dimwit you are.
And you don't need to feel bad for my kids. They are wonderful kids. They grew up to be polite, respectful, well liked, adults. And that isn't just my opinion. While they were growing up, I would have other parents tell me how good they were.
And I raised them without hitting them. Imagine that!
I said that I wasn't totally against spanking IF it was necessary and done rarely. I did not have to resort to spanking. Hmmmmm, I wonder if it could be because I did something right? I did a good job, so therefore they didn't become BRATS, where I needed to use physical discipline?
More Dr Spock left wing hogwash.
I'd like to spank or slap a few so called left wing Canadian researchers, teachers and social workers.
They are the ones with the development mental issues.
As usual they lump abuse in their with acceptable forms of diciple.
No wonder our kids are out of control threatinging their parents with the authorities.
I told my kids if they want to bo live in foster care with the real abusive people let me know and I meant it.
The Mrs and myself were not going to be held hostage by some spoiled brats.
They turned out better than many of my relatives and acquaintences kids who didn't get spanked.
The Canadians are progressive idiots that are more regressive than anything else.
Destructive to the family idiots.
"I told my kids if they want to bo live in foster care with the real abusive people let me know and I meant it." -- That's how you have to get with kids nowadays because of the liberal bias of the government against spanking, especially the older the kids get. You also have to remind them that you can very well still do that when they get to be too old to spank as well.
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I believe, however, that...in moderation...corporal punishment is one of the best things that can happen to a kid. Kids below a certain age probably shouldn't be spanked. The real problem is that most kids know that they get away with anything without being disciplined. It 's more about embarassment than inflicting pain.
The kids that I grew up with...boys and girls...all got their butts spanked when they misbehaved. In the boy scouts, we ran through a "belt line" (between two rows of kids and hit on thre butt with belts as we ran through). In elementary school, a male teacher would give you swats with a paddle if you misbehaved.
We all turned out pretty well...and we grew up to be decent adults and good people.
So YOU say. : )
Today's society is pathetic. It's because the kids have lazy parents. It's because they either use too much physical discipline, or there are no consequences at all for their kid's bad behaviour. Yup, much easier to just hit them and be done with it, right?
---------------------------------------------------
LMAO...my point is that if I got out of line I "suffered" the consequences, and I grew up showing respect and in my opinion I behaved. Now, look at the kids today, and young adults. Ya think YOUR way is working??? I think not. Good luck with your way...it ain't working!
Well it worked for me and my family. And how do you know it doesn't work? You have to TRY it in order to know if it works. The problem is that most parents aren't using ANY discipline. They just let their kids do whatever they like and do NOTHING AT ALL. Most don't even know where their kids are, what they are doing, and don't give a crap.
You can't say that my way doesn't work if no one is USING my way. Like I said, it's easier to just give the kid a smack. They don't bother trying anything else.
In America, there is a total LACK of parenting. That's the problem.
The only mental problems spanking causes are to the rest of those in society, when it's not done at all.
We have to put up with spoiled rotten children that morph into guess what? Spoiled rotten adults that can't pull their own weight and feel as if they are special and should be allowed to get away with things. It's because they never learned discipline or how to stand on their own two feet and take responsibility for their actions.
It didn't matter so much what method was used as how it was used.
A very educational lesson can be delivered with a thin switch with only light red streaks across the butt while larger more damaging bruises can be caused by striking the butt too hard with an open hand.
Most parents, including mine, disciplined their children out of love and rarely left any marks on the child from spanking. My wife and I raised one son and three daughters and I too sometimes spanked them when they were growing up. I very rarely had to though because they knew that I would if needed. I sometimes would warn them that they were heading for discipline but I never had to repeat the warning.
That was always a serious problem with many parents they frequently yelled at their children that they are about to be spanked, but they just keep repeating the threat instead of actually doing it.
I find it amazing that people today find corporal punishment so wrong, while being quite comfortable with executing the same children later with the electric chair or poisoned needles.
-- Separates "spanking" from "slapping" and "hitting."
-- Quantifies morals, values and ethics with an objective standard.
-- Measures the number of people who have no feelings of inadequacy -- whether about their intelligence, appearance, weight, height, beliefs, public speaking, skin color, etc.
As for the "time-out" thing, that's useless. You want a kid to behave? Take their favorite toys away. Stop them from doing what they like doing best. If they are teenagers, take the phone away. Take the computer away.
If a child is completely out of control, strip his/her bedroom of all toys. Everything except the furniture. When he/she starts behaving, give them back a toy. As time goes on and they continue to behave, you can start bringing back their other toys.
If you are hitting or spanking your child on a REGULAR basis, all you are teaching them is that it's okay to hit someone if you don't like something.
Kids today are completely out of control. That is because they have lousy parents. The parents are either dishing out too much physical punishment, or their kids are getting "no consequences", no discipline of any kind.
You can add video games and the good old TELEVISION to that list.
They'd take the console controllers away... I'd put together a new one from leftover parts.
The television is safe for the same reason the computer and the console were still there - where are you going to hide them in the house from your latchkey kid?
Maybe you can leave the car in the work parking lot with a flatscreen and not have it broken into... maybe.
Ahhhh yes, here is one of the LAZY parents I was talking about. Where there's a WILL, there's a WAY.
You don't just take the keyboard away, you take the whole freakin' computer away. You take away ALL those leftover parts away. You remove the t.v. from your child's room (where there shouldn't be one anyways).
"Maybe you can leave the car in the work parking lot with a flatscreen and not have it broken into... maybe."
I would be able to leave stuff in my trunk/car without that worry, but that's because of where I live. But that aside, if you don't want your kid to get something, there is a way, IF you want to find that way. How about taking it to Grandma's house. Or a friends house? It doesn't have to be forever, just until the kid understands that there are indeed CONSEQUENCES.
"...but that's because of where I live." pretty much sums it up. Most people are not going to haul a 30-50" television out of the house every week and attempt to "hide" it.
Even if they had executed it flawlessly, the lesson I would have learned is to acquire and hide alternate forms of entertainment, ie; 3DS or PS Vita were I a teen today.
If they were good parents, they would KNOW if their punishments were effective.
"Most people are not going to haul a 30-50" television out of the house every week and attempt to "hide" it."
Most televisions, today, you wouldn't need to remove. You can program them to BLOCK viewing.
"My point is that it's way more effort than it is worth to do the "non-lazy" punishment."
So what you are saying is that your child is not worth the effort? Not worth trying to keep them out of trouble? Not worth raising him/her to be a decent human being?
I sure hope you aren't a parent.
Just reading your comments lets people know what a dimwit you are.
And you don't need to feel bad for my kids. They are wonderful kids. They grew up to be polite, respectful, well liked, adults. And that isn't just my opinion. While they were growing up, I would have other parents tell me how good they were.
And I raised them without hitting them. Imagine that!
I said that I wasn't totally against spanking IF it was necessary and done rarely. I did not have to resort to spanking. Hmmmmm, I wonder if it could be because I did something right? I did a good job, so therefore they didn't become BRATS, where I needed to use physical discipline?
I'd like to spank or slap a few so called left wing Canadian researchers, teachers and social workers.
They are the ones with the development mental issues.
As usual they lump abuse in their with acceptable forms of diciple.
No wonder our kids are out of control threatinging their parents with the authorities.
I told my kids if they want to bo live in foster care with the real abusive people let me know and I meant it.
The Mrs and myself were not going to be held hostage by some spoiled brats.
They turned out better than many of my relatives and acquaintences kids who didn't get spanked.
The Canadians are progressive idiots that are more regressive than anything else.
Destructive to the family idiots.