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by louiville2 May 14, 2009 10:35 AM EDT
Students? LOL, the student excuse was just more neo justification, they didn't care one bit about the students, Reagan did not want to see a successful "Black" run country on the hemisphere.
Posted by brianbwb-2009 at 7:20 AM

Read below your IDEA of a sucessful back socialist country LOL is to have two govenment groups kill each other!?!?!?!?! What a fool!


"Though Bishop was cooperating with Cuba and USSR on various trade and foreign policy issues, Bishop sought to maintain a "non-aligned" status, and so was deemed insufficiently revolutionary by Marxists in his government. A few days later when they attempted to resume power Bishop and several of his followers were executed by the Coard regime, which then put the island under martial law. For four days no one was allowed to leave their homes, under threat of summary execution."
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by brianbwb-2009 May 14, 2009 10:35 AM EDT
"...Yep education went up but it sure didn't save them when the socialist kleptocracy crept in and when marxist money dried up down went the country where once they had a life span of ~67 years now ~35 years and dropping, so much for education and "spread the wealth" Posted by louiville2

Again, like the typical neo, you neglect to mention that as a result of the US invasion the government was effectively decapitated, the four-year experiment was thrown out by the occupying US, and what is the status now is the direct result of the US invasion.

Kleptocracy didn't have a chance to creep in son, because the US went in and began a blatant imposition of kleptocracy.

Again you resort to typical neo revisionism.
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by brianbwb-2009 May 14, 2009 10:31 AM EDT
"Ahhh yes back to the OLD argument so I guess I win. (about taxing companies who do buisness in the US is a bad idea)
BTW you do remember I didn't state that the US had one of the highest corporate taxes. I just pointed out the obvious that your example clearly shows taxes do not a better economy make."

I responded to whoever posted the lie about the US being "one of the top three taxed countries in the world." If it wasn't you, then you shouldn't have interjected with even more easily refuted assumptions, and twisted versions of history.

Actually taxes can make a better country, the problem in the US is that on one hand we have neos opposed to any social infrastructure that is not in private hands, who obstruct any efforts to make them work, and corruption through which monies already collected for the common good are diverted into the hands of cronies, a practice which has always been with us, but which accelerated exponentially under the "trickle down" agenda as posited by Reagan, and against which Democrats were also too corrupt to resist.
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by louiville2 May 14, 2009 10:31 AM EDT
Posted by brianbwb-2009 at 7:20 AM

LOL they were in bed with the Soviets that's why exports grew and more money flowed in, they were being bought out. Seesh everyone knows that.

Kind of like we give Egypt about $5 Billion each year to not fight with Israel.

Also check Zimbabwe another alleged socialist paradise with ties to China and Soviets.

Yep education went up but it sure didn't save them when the socialist kleptocracy crept in and when marxist money dried up down went the country where once they had a life span of ~67 years now ~35 years and dropping, so much for education and "spread the wealth"
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by louiville2 May 14, 2009 10:21 AM EDT
Again irrelevant, the US is still not amnong the "top 3 taxed countries in the world" and even if wages are low, other countries do in fact have heavy industry.

And why would you even begin to type the bit about government mandated wages, while if such is mentioned in the US, there isn't enough toilet paper to clean up what the neos spew.
Posted by brianbwb-2009 at 7:12 AM

Ahhh yes back to the OLD argument so I guess I win. (about taxing companies who do buisness in the US is a bad idea)

BTW you do remember I didn't state that the US had one of the highest corporate taxes. I just pointed out the obvious that your example clearly shows taxes do not a better economy make.
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by brianbwb-2009 May 14, 2009 10:20 AM EDT
"Sure did, but only AFTER the government began to fail and begain to take hostages, oh mighty unenlightened one." Posted by louiville2

"On March 13, 1979, in an almost bloodless coup, a young attorney named Maurice Bishop seized power with the backing of the New Jewel Movement. They proceeded to impose an ambitious socialist program on the island inspired at least as much by Bob Marley as Karl Marx. In the next four years, while most Caribbean nations suffered terribly from worldwide recession, Grenada achieved a 9% cumulative growth rate. Unemployment dropped from 49% to 14%. The government diversified agriculture, developed cooperatives, and created an agri-industrial base that led to a reduction of the percentage of food and total imports from over 40% to 28% at a time when market prices for agricultural products were collapsing worldwide."

Not bad.

"The literary rate, already at a respectable 85%, grew to about 98%, comparable to or higher than most industrialized countries. A free health care and secondary education system were established, the number of secondary schools tripled, and scores of Grenadans received scholarships for studies abroad. There were ambitious programs in the development of the fishing industry, handicrafts, housing, tourism, the expansion of roads and transport systems, and the upgrading of public utilities.

What excited many in the American progressive community was the government's openness to decentralization and appropriate technology, which allowed small-scale American entrepreneurs access to development planning alongside those preferring a more traditional, centralized, capital-intensive model. It was an accessible revolution, close by and carried out by English-speaking people influenced more by Black Power and New Left politics than by Soviet-style communism.

The United States had long sought to overthrow the New Jewel Movement. Immediately following the revolution in 1979, the Carter administration granted asylum to the exiled Prime Minister Gairy, who used the U.S. as a base for anti-government radio broadcasts. After the U.S. refused to provide aid for military defense and offered only limited economic assistance, Bishop turned to Cuba for help. The Carter administration then launched a campaign to discourage U.S. tourism, forbid emergency relief aid, and refused recognition of Grenada's ambassador.

When the Reagan administration assumed office, American hostility increased. Economic assistance through the World Bank and the Caribbean Development Bank was blocked, aid from the International Monetary Fund was restricted, and participation in the Caribbean Basin Initiative was not even considered."

Students? LOL, the student excuse was just more neo justification, they didn't care one bit about the students, Reagan did not want to see a successful "Black" run country on the hemisphere.
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by louiville2 May 14, 2009 10:14 AM EDT
Posted by brianbwb-2009


FYI
Ummm Grenada was another fine example of the leftist fighting with Other Lefists, with Americans aught in the middle. Pull the blinders off and read a little will you?

"Invasion of Grenada by the U.S. and OECS military
Main article: Invasion of Grenada

Members of the Eastern Caribbean Defense Force during the Invasion of Grenada.On October 19, 1983, Bernard Coard, a communist, led a coup against the government of Maurice Bishop. Though Bishop was cooperating with Cuba and USSR on various trade and foreign policy issues, Bishop sought to maintain a "non-aligned" status, and so was deemed insufficiently revolutionary by Marxists in his government. A few days later when they attempted to resume power Bishop and several of his followers were executed by the Coard regime, which then put the island under martial law. For four days no one was allowed to leave their homes, under threat of summary execution. Then, on October 25th, Grenada was invaded by combined forces from the United States, the Regional Security System (RSS) and Jamaica, in an operation codenamed Operation Urgent Fury. The U.S. stated this was done at the behest of Dame Eugenia Charles, of Dominica. While the Governor-General, Sir Paul Scoon, later stated that he had also requested the invasion, it was highly criticised by the governments of the United Kingdom, Trinidad and Tobago and Canada. Queen Elizabeth II also condemned the attack, claiming it be an attack on her commonwealth realms . The United Nations General Assembly condemned it as "a flagrant violation of international law"[3] by a vote of 108 in favor to 9, with 27 abstentions.[4]

After the invasion of the island nation, the pre-revolutionary Grenadan constitution was resumed. Eighteen members of the PRG and the PRA (army) were arrested after the invasion on charges related to the murder of Maurice Bishop and seven others. The eighteen included the top political leadership of Grenada at the time of the execution as well as the entire military chain of command directly responsible for the operation that led to the executions. Fourteen were sentenced to death, one was found not guilty and three were sentenced to forty-five years in prison. The death sentences were eventually commuted to terms of imprisonment. Those in prison have become known as the Grenada 17."
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by brianbwb-2009 May 14, 2009 10:12 AM EDT
"...Yep you proved me wrong again taxing Corporations are great once you get past the "30%" unemployment and $2-3/day wages LOL. What do you suppose the unemployment rate would be if the government mandated real wages." Posted by louiville2

Again irrelevant, the US is still not amnong the "top 3 taxed countries in the world" and even if wages are low, other countries do in fact have heavy industry.

And why would you even begin to type the bit about government mandated wages, while if such is mentioned in the US, there isn't enough toilet paper to clean up what the neos spew.
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by louiville2 May 14, 2009 10:08 AM EDT
So you say that Reagan did not order the US military incursion into Grenada?

Posted by brianbwb-2009 at 6:56 AM

Sure did, but only AFTER the government began to fail and begain to take hostages, oh mighty unenlightened one.
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by brianbwb-2009 May 14, 2009 10:07 AM EDT
" First we were there cuz NORTH Vietnam was invading the south. The Northwas using Cambodia and Laos as staging areas (kind of like Pakistan)..." Posted by louiville2

Again revisionist, Vietnam was already one country, having been united by the French in 1887, you posit as if they were two seperate countries. what happened was the north, tired of the french corruption, and with help from China, staged a revolution, and the French asked for US help. When the US arrived, the French packed up and went home, but the war budget was too much to give up, so the US stayed. in fact Kennedy was preparing to call a halt to all S.E. Asian covert ops, which is the most probable reason he was killed. Johnson then used the Tonkin Gulf lie as a false flag to ramp up the action in Vietnam, he had to do so because Vietnam had not committed any act against the US that justified war, so Johnson lied us into one. (sound familiar?)

"A bitter defeat at Dien Bien Phu in northwest Vietnam on May 5, 1954, broke the French military campaign and resulted in the division of Vietnam. In the new South, Ngo Dinh Diem, prime minister under Bao Dai, deposed the monarch in 1955 and made himself president. Diem used strong U.S. backing to create an authoritarian regime that suppressed all opposition but could not eradicate the Northern-supplied Communist Viet Cong.

Skirmishing grew into a full-scale war, with escalating U.S. involvement. A military coup, U.S.-inspired in the view of many, ousted Diem on Nov. 1, 1963..."

You are the revisionist.
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